Gertjan van Oosten wrote:
> Does anyone have the logs for today's meeting?
> I was unable to attend the meeting, and the Drone
> http://uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/mapbuilder
> does not seem to have logged the meeting...
>
> Regards,
>
The logs of todays meeting as requested:
12:00 < CameronShorter> Hello all, who is here?
12:01 < CameronShorter> ping crschmidt, madair, oterral123, stvn, vheurteaux
12:02 < vheurteaux> pong CameronShorter
12:02 < oterral123> pong CameronShorter
12:02 -!- lindaD [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined
#mapbuilder
12:02 < lindaD> hi
12:03 < CameronShorter> Hi linda
12:03 < lindaD> sorry colloquy locked up on me
12:03 < lindaD> the dron doesn't seem to be listening again
12:04 < CameronShorter> ah, did someone say they had su access to
restart the
box?
12:04 < madair> here now
12:04 < CameronShorter> ok, lets get started.
12:04 < CameronShorter> Suggested agenda:
12:04 < CameronShorter> 00 Introductions, roll call
12:04 < CameronShorter> 05 Sandbox access for new developers - Status
from Linda
12:04 < CameronShorter> 15 Branching 1.5 status (Steven)
12:04 < CameronShorter> 25 Report from FOSS4G (Andreas, Mike, who else was
there?)
12:04 < CameronShorter> 25 Define next release
12:04 < CameronShorter> 40 General Q&A
12:04 < CameronShorter> 59 Topics for next meeting
12:05 < CameronShorter> 00 Close
12:05 < CameronShorter> and lets slot in:
12:05 < CameronShorter> 30 Proj4js - finding a home. (Mike)
12:05 < CameronShorter> Anything eles?
12:05 < lindaD> so I guess I'm up :)
12:05 < CameronShorter> Yes.
12:06 < lindaD> CodeHaus already has a two svn repos system setup for this
usecase
12:06 < lindaD> cameron you or one of the board have to request that it
be set
up
12:06 < CameronShorter> ah, ok.
12:06 < lindaD> I like the idea
12:07 < lindaD> then we just give all of the current commiters access to the
new repos
12:07 < CameronShorter> Could you please send me an explaination of what
I need
to ask for.
12:07 < lindaD> and anyone else who wants access we add them
12:07 < lindaD> and like you wanted they have access to the entire repos
12:07 < lindaD> this way we can still keep our current "trusted" sandboxes
12:07 < lindaD> and have the wild, wild west sandboxes in the other repos
12:08 < lindaD> yes cameron I will create the ticket
12:08 < lindaD> then you just chime in that you want it
12:08 < lindaD> (I meant to send out an email to the list before today, but
life got exciting )
12:08 < CameronShorter> How do we add a new developer to the trusted list?
12:08 < lindaD> chore
12:08 < lindaD> oh no
12:08 < lindaD> sorry
12:08 < lindaD> directly from xcircles
12:09 < CameronShorter> ah cool.
12:09 < CameronShorter> So I should be able to do it with my login.
12:09 < lindaD> yes
12:09 < lindaD> I think all four of you can
12:09 < CameronShorter> It is more than 4 now.
12:09 < CameronShorter> I think we are up to 7.
12:10 < CameronShorter> Linda, what is your business relationship with Pat?
12:10 < CameronShorter> Is he your boss, or co-worker?
12:11 < CameronShorter> Linda tending to kid?
12:11 < lindaD> we have independent companies which work together
12:12 < CameronShorter> ok
12:12 < CameronShorter> Thanks for your help with setting up the svn, let me
know what I need to do offline, and I'll add
appropriate requests
12:13 < CameronShorter> Anything else you want to add before we hand over to
Mike?
12:13 < lindaD> ok will get to it today sometime
12:13 < lindaD> have to step away from keyboard for about 15 minutes
12:13 < lindaD> will read and catch up
12:13 < stvn> orry
12:13 < lindaD> when I get back
12:14 < CameronShorter> Mike, do you want to give us status of proj4js and
discuss where we should store it?
12:14 < CameronShorter> madair?
12:14 < madair> should still be in our svn for now
12:15 < madair> I have a few little things to finish up on it, hopefully
today
then I can commit
12:15 < CameronShorter> I get the impression that there have been a
number of
additions to proj4js which went into openlayers?
12:16 < madair> yes dynamic laoding of defs and proj code
12:16 < madair> I've been holding off because of the name issue
12:16 < CameronShorter> Will that be getting rolled back into mapbuilder
svn?
12:16 < madair> yes
12:16 < madair> some other code restructuring too
12:17 < CameronShorter> What directory is the master code in?
12:17 < madair> I'm just going to leave it as proj4js, it can always be
changed
12:17 < madair> cscs
12:17 < madair> that shoul be renamed too
12:17 < CameronShorter> We need to pick a name and stick with it.
12:17 < CameronShorter> Did you get an agreement on name with Richard?
12:18 < madair> no, not really
12:18 < madair> we agreed on the way forward for the project though
12:19 < stvn> I like cs4js, it has a nice rythm ;)
12:19 < CameronShorter> It seems that the name is becoming a blocking issue,
but is a pitty because it is technically very
easy to
fix.
12:20 < madair> the demo I did at the confernece was really well received
12:20 < CameronShorter> great, tell us about it.
12:20 < madair> cs4js is fine with me
12:20 < CameronShorter> Is Richard happy with cs4js?
12:20 < madair> haven't heard back on that
12:21 < CameronShorter> Mike, can you please work out a name between you and
Richard so that we can move on to the harder stuff.
12:21 < madair> sure
12:21 < CameronShorter> Say, give yourselves a week to work it out.
12:22 < madair> I'll try to get that sorted out today
12:22 < CameronShorter> cool.
12:22 < CameronShorter> Where do you want to svn respository to live?
12:23 < madair> mapbuilder for now. Frank w. has started a discussion about
starting a project for Proj stuff in OSgeo
12:23 < CameronShorter> In mapbuilder, OSGeo, openlayers, a new project
mentioned by Frank?
12:23 < madair> he may want to strat using our SVN as well
12:24 < CameronShorter> Yes, it sound like a good idea to align with Frank.
12:24 < stvn> it can stay in mapbuilder until franks idea has materialised
12:24 < CameronShorter> Sounds good.
12:25 < madair> yes. It's a place so that both client and server side stuff
can use the same data files, documentation, etc.
12:25 < CameronShorter> And also the same web service API.
12:25 < madair> yes
12:25 < CameronShorter> I suspect there is an opportunity for an OGC
Standard
here.
12:26 < CameronShorter> A Projection Service standard.
12:26 < stvn> :)
12:26 < CameronShorter> I'm actually serious.
12:26 < madair> there is one, but rather complex
12:26 < CameronShorter> Does it return JSON?
12:27 < madair> not the OGC one
12:27 < CameronShorter> Which is what we should be proposing.
12:27 < CameronShorter> Ok, Mike there seems to be plenty of actions on your
plate:
12:28 < CameronShorter> * Move all recent proj hacks back into
mapbuilder/cscs
12:28 < CameronShorter> * Find a name for cscs
12:28 < CameronShorter> * Rename cscs to new name
12:29 < CameronShorter> * Probably start building a seperate proj library
release?
12:29 < madair> * work with Frank on the OSGeo Proj project
12:30 < CameronShorter> I suggest you also consider relicensing the proj
project to be the same as OpenLayers so that
they can
import the library into their project.
12:30 < madair> ok
12:30 < CameronShorter> Does anyone have any objections or comments on that?
12:31 < stvn> +1
12:31 < CameronShorter> Openlayers currently use the BSB license, but are
proposing a slight modificaiton to make it clearer
about patents.
12:32 < CameronShorter> Mike, it would also be good for you and Richard to
discuss ownership of the code.
12:33 < CameronShorter> At the moment, it is LGPL under the Mapbuilder
framework. It is possible you would want to branch off
your own project with seperate owners.
12:33 < CameronShorter> Ok, shall we move to the next topic:
12:34 < CameronShorter> stvn: branching 1.5 status
12:34 < CameronShorter> did you want to talk to that?
12:34 < crschmidt> Relicensing proj4js is not neccesary for use with
OpenLayers.
12:34 < stvn> As you may have noticed I created a branch
12:34 < crschmidt> The code will not live in the OpenLayers repository
12:34 < crschmidt> I like proj4js much better than cs4js
12:35 < crschmidt> and much much better than cscs
12:35 * stvn slaps crschmidt with a wet kipper :P
12:35 < crschmidt> Hey, I ust woke up
12:35 < CameronShorter> Hi Chris, nice to have you with us.
12:35 < CameronShorter> Chris, why not import into Openlayers?
12:36 < crschmidt> Same reason dojo and Prototype aren't in OpenLayers, even
though people use them with OpenLayers.
12:36 < CameronShorter> I would suspect it would be easier to maintain
quality
control and easier to install if you deployed
Openlayers with the version of Proj4js that you know
works.
12:37 < crschmidt> Sure. So it will be part of my job to ensure that proj4js
works with OpenLayers.
12:37 < CameronShorter> I suspect so.
12:37 < CameronShorter> I suspect that some of your Openlayers code will
start
calling proj4js directly.
12:38 < crschmidt> One file will. That file is the interface between
OpenLayers
and proj4js.
12:38 < crschmidt> For the record, I bought proj4js.org, and would be
happy to
grant access to anyone who cares. That's not meant to
sway a
decision one way or another -- I just bought it to
prevent
squatting and create a central organizing location if
that
was decided on as a name.
12:39 < CameronShorter> ok
12:39 < CameronShorter> A wrapper class over proj4js should reduce interface
issues.
12:40 < madair> and I put up a wiki page for it
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAP/Proj4js
12:40 < crschmidt> CameronShorter: to be frank, I can't maintain the proj4js
code.
12:40 < crschmidt> It's frightening.
12:40 < CameronShorter> :)
12:41 < crschmidt> Including anything I can't maintain in OpenLayers --
especially when it's another library, which is
designed for
including in other pages -- is unneccesary.
12:41 < CameronShorter> yes, your arguements make sense.
12:41 < crschmidt> Anyway, go on
12:41 < crschmidt> I'm taking up all our meeting time.
12:42 < CameronShorter> Stvn, the floor is yours.
12:42 < stvn> :)
12:42 < stvn> well I created the branch, so people can start hacking on
trunk
again
12:42 < stvn> like I mailed there are two exceptions on mere bugfixing
that can
go into the 1.5 branch
12:43 < stvn> proj4js and redesigned getfeatureinfo (if it can be done
in time)
12:43 < stvn> Ive to ask matt to setup a 1.5 branch nightly
12:44 < stvn> and we can start writing tests for the 1.5 branch :)
12:44 < CameronShorter> Thanks stvn, Lisasoft has a Catalog client we
have been
developing in the sandbox which I'd like to move
back
into the trunk in the next week or 2.
12:44 < stvn> I noticed it
12:45 < CameronShorter> It builds on a lot of the work from Mike.
12:45 < CameronShorter> And accesses a OGC Catalog.
12:45 < stvn> if people feel that a particular feature developed in trunk
should be included into the 1.5 branch, just propose it on the
list so we can decide on it
12:47 < CameronShorter> ok, anything else to discuss?
12:47 < CameronShorter> Mike, did you have anything from FOSS4G you
would like
to share?
12:47 < stvn> not really
12:48 < madair> once again, it is the best confence for the developer
community
12:48 < madair> nice to meet people from the lists
12:48 < CameronShorter> oterral123, vhurteaux, you would probably be
interested
in the work from Andreas in building an
OGC:Filter and
SLD parser for Openlayers.
12:48 < madair> there has been much progress in GeoServer I found
12:49 < CameronShorter> Which means that rendering SLD should be a lot
easier.
12:49 < madair> and RESTfull stuff is pretty big now
12:50 < CameronShorter> Did you see the speed comparisons between
mapserver and
geoserver? How did that go?
12:50 < madair> missed the talk but I heard they came out pretty close
12:52 < CameronShorter> Ah, while everyone is here, I'd like to recommend
crschmidt be given write access to mapbuilder so
that
he can contribute to the proj4js codebase.
12:52 < CameronShorter> He has mentioned that he might help make
suggestions /
clean up formatting and the like.
12:52 < CameronShorter> +1
12:52 < stvn> +1
12:52 < madair> +1
12:53 < CameronShorter> oterral123?
12:53 < madair> but does he really want that ;-)
12:53 < stvn> that was what I was wondering ;)
12:53 < crschmidt> I have two options -- take a lead in helping to
maintain the
code, or deal with all the questions about things I can't
fix if I don't
12:53 < crschmidt> I'll take the former any day
12:54 < CameronShorter> While you are at it, do you reckon you could
poke your
nose into the rest of mapbuilder and maybe clean
up the
formatting there too. :)
12:54 < crschmidt> Nah. I'm not even cleaning up most of proj4js. (As I
said,
it's not something I can maintain.)
12:54 < CameronShorter> crschmidt, welcome aboard.
12:55 < crschmidt> Just the pieces we hook into directly from OpenLayers.
12:55 < CameronShorter> I'll run through the official process of
inviting via
the email list.
12:55 < crschmidt> CameronShorter: Thanks.
12:55 < crschmidt> madair: I don't know if you saw
http://svn.openlayers.org/sandbox/proj4js/
12:55 < CameronShorter> And getting you to accept our Development process.
12:55 < crschmidt> but I set up build tools for building a single file
proj4js,
based on the OL tools
12:56 < crschmidt> If you can move your stuff from your sandbox back to
trunk,
I can merge my changes in with history
12:56 < madair> cool. I was also going to put together a build.cfg file to
create the protoype subset from OL
12:56 < crschmidt> Yeah, I didn't get that far, but that was the next step.
12:56 < crschmidt> I also went thoruhg and changed the _functionName
stuff to
just be functionName
12:57 < crschmidt> the way we handle public vs. private is in naturaldocs
configuration
12:57 < crschmidt> APIMethods are public, Methods are private
12:57 < madair> ok
12:57 < crschmidt> OUt of curiousity, since I know people here do work with
various GIS-like things
12:57 < crschmidt> anyone have any processing operations they regularly
perform?
12:57 < crschmidt> I'm implementing a RESTful WPS server
12:58 < madair> buffer seems to be a common pne
12:58 < madair> one
12:58 < crschmidt> I've got reprojection and d-p simplification
12:58 < crschmidt> Yeah, I need to figure out how to implement that.
Unfortunately, all the ways to hook into GEOS pretty much
suck
12:59 < CameronShorter> I write GIS code, don't actually use it. :)
12:59 * crschmidt doesn't write GIS code
12:59 < crschmidt> shapely is Python2.4+ because of stupid decorators,
the geos
swig bindings are ill-maintained and fading
13:00 < crschmidt> Luckily, the setup is really simple if you want to
add your
own operations
13:00 < crschmidt> you write a Python function, and you specify the
location of
iti n the config file
13:01 < CameronShorter> ok, it is x oclock.
13:01 < CameronShorter> Thanks everyone for coming.
13:01 < CameronShorter> See you next week.
13:02 < stvn> ok ciao
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