Gertjan van Oosten wrote:
> Does anyone have the logs for the meeting on Oct 9?
> The Drone does not seem to have logged anything:
>
> http://uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/mapbuilder/20071009
>
> is empty...
>
>
We haven't figured out how to kick drone, but here are the logs:
12:01 < markusin> hello, i would like to assist to your meeting. Is that
possible?
12:01 < CameronShorter__> certainly
12:02 < markusin> fine
12:02 < CameronShorter__> ping stvn
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12:02 < CameronShorter__> markusin, would you like to introduce yourself?
12:02 < markusin> yes of course
12:02 < markusin> I am Markus Innerebner
12:02 < markusin> a phd student
12:02 < markusin> and I am using mapbuilder
12:03 < markusin> I am from Italy
12:03 < CameronShorter__> What are you using Mapbuilder for and do you
have any
specific requests to add to today's agenda?
12:03 < markusin> I am sometimes present in the mailing list
12:04 < markusin> Mostly as web mapping client, but with my own extension to
cover moving points
12:05 < markusin> this time I only wanted to assist
12:05 < markusin> at the moment now specific request to this agenda
12:05 < CameronShorter__> ah, interesting, do you think your extensions
would
be useful to put back into the baseline?
12:06 -!- CameronShorter
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12:06 < stvn> hi
12:06 < markusin> probably yes
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12:06 < markusin> but I am not sure if it is enough mature
12:06 < CameronShorter> cool
12:06 < CameronShorter> hi Steven.
12:07 < CameronShorter> We don't have much on the agenda today.
12:07 < markusin> so maybe I can say something more, if I am allowed?
12:07 < CameronShorter> Sure.
12:08 < markusin> I described in one mail in the mailing list my application
12:08 < markusin> and I submitted a paper to ACMGIS
12:08 < markusin> so in that conference I will present this prototype,
were I
will also mention Mapbuilder
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12:09 < lindaD> hi sorry I'm late
12:09 < CameronShorter> I confess that I didn't get to read your email in
detail.
12:09 < markusin> does not matter
12:10 < oterral123> Hi all
12:10 < mattdiez> Greetings.
12:10 < markusin> and maybe because of that it makes sense to integrate my
extension in the framework
12:10 < CameronShorter> Ah - sorry, found the email thread. I remember
bits now.
12:11 < CameronShorter> markusin, do you mind if we come back to you at
the end
of the meeting.
12:11 < markusin> of course
12:11 < CameronShorter> Now we have most people here.
12:11 < lindaD> crap drone isn't working
12:11 * stvn wonders how to restart drone
12:12 < CameronShorter> Linda, I think you were the only one with an item on
the agenda.
12:12 * lindaD wonders how to kick drone
12:12 < lindaD> double sorry I'm late
12:12 < lindaD> it's been one of THOSE weeks
12:12 < stvn> :)
12:12 < lindaD> well we have a couple of options on how to handle the
contrib
people
12:13 < lindaD> my vote is to leave the sandboxes that we already have where
they are
12:13 < lindaD> and when committers want another sandbox they also get
them in
the existing repos
12:14 < lindaD> we can take the new repos and through the magic of SVN
have the
trunk dir link directly to our repos
12:15 < lindaD> and any other directory for that matter
12:15 < CameronShorter> I'd prefer to only have one sandbox. That way
Contributors (ie sandbox editors) can update
code in my
sandbox. (Often useful of collaborating)
12:15 < lindaD> we can move them all to the other repos if you would prefer
12:15 < CameronShorter> Yes, I think that would be better.
12:15 < lindaD> just remember that merging will be harder from the second
repositor
12:16 < lindaD> repository
12:16 < CameronShorter> is it simple to do a "svn cp" from one repository to
another?
12:16 < lindaD> because at that point it is not the same objects
12:16 < CameronShorter> ah
12:16 < lindaD> svn export
12:16 < lindaD> and svn import
12:16 < lindaD> that is the reason that I didn't want to move our
sandboxes out
12:17 < CameronShorter> I see.
12:17 < lindaD> we would be using the svn externals command to link the two
repositories
12:18 < CameronShorter> One of the goals I was hoping for was that we could
"svn cp" contributors code back into the trunk
after it
had been reviewed. That way we could keep
history and
credit the authors.
12:18 < lindaD> hummm not sure that is possible
12:18 < lindaD> I will research and get back to you
12:18 < lindaD> we have the repos now
12:18 < CameronShorter> can we use "svn cp" if we use svn externals?
12:19 < lindaD> do you know how to grant access to new users?
12:19 < CameronShorter> Yes, I can grant access to new users now.
12:19 < CameronShorter> Which brings me to the hidden item on the agenda.
12:19 < lindaD> ok I will make a lderezinski2 login and then email you
so I can
test this out and see if I can bring the edits into the
commiters repos
12:20 * lindaD getting off the stage
12:20 < CameronShorter> Last week the PSC discussed inviting you Linda
becoming
a PSC member.
12:20 < CameronShorter> And we all agreed that you deserved it.
12:20 < lindaD> I would be honored
12:20 < lindaD> thank you
12:20 < CameronShorter> So welcome.
12:21 < CameronShorter> (Andreas is sailing in the middle of the ocean and
consequently forfeighted his vote due to him
having too
much fun)
12:21 < stvn> :)
12:21 < lindaD> HA! a well deserved break
12:22 < CameronShorter> So Linda, I'll promote your privledges to project
Despot so that you can test the new svn settup
yourself.
12:22 < lindaD> HA!
12:22 < lindaD> great
12:23 * lindaD glad I didn't sleep through the entire meeting today
12:23 < CameronShorter> Anything else to discuss on the svn sandbox?
12:24 < mattdiez> Good over here. Just send out an email explaining the
policy.
12:24 < lindaD> not that I know of. I need to test it out to see how we
can do
this.
12:24 < mattdiez> And perhaps update the dev page wiki.
12:24 < lindaD> for now I'll put the trunk in the other repos and see how it
goes
12:25 * lindaD wonders if one of us would be able to merge the edits
from the
other repository
12:25 < CameronShorter> Yes, good point Matt, Linda, could you please update
the Roles and Responsibilites page once we have
everything worked out.
12:25 < lindaD> yes will do
12:25 < CameronShorter> any other topics to discuss before we hand back to
markusin?
12:26 < CameronShorter> Oh, for the record, over the next couple of weeks,
Roald, one of our Lisasoft developers will be adding
KML support to Mapbuilder.
12:26 < mattdiez> KML -> SVG support?
12:27 < CameronShorter> Ie, getting MapPaneOL to reference the
OpenLayers KML
layer.
12:27 < stvn> k
12:27 < lindaD> oh who do we kick to get drone working?
12:27 < CameronShorter> Openlayers converts KML to SVG/VML for rendering.
12:27 < lindaD> this is like the fourth week in a row it has failed
12:28 < mattdiez> CS: Excellent news.
12:28 < CameronShorter> I have a funny feeling that Freenode will archieve
email lists for you.
12:29 < CameronShorter> It would probably be more reliable than our drone.
12:30 < CameronShorter> markusin,
12:30 < markusin> yes
12:30 < CameronShorter> Would you like to take the stage?
12:30 < markusin> yes
12:31 < markusin> I start to extend mapbuilder some month ago
12:31 < markusin> And I appreciate the framework
12:31 < markusin> and I would like to add my application in the example
of the
nightlybuild
12:32 < markusin> when it is stable enough and everyone of you agree
12:32 < CameronShorter> Yes, that sounds good.
12:32 < markusin> it is covering more dynamic features
12:33 < markusin> let's say rendering moving points into mapbuilder
12:33 < CameronShorter> As we were discussing today, Linda is setting up a
"sandbox" repository where anyone can add Mapbuilder
code.
12:33 < CameronShorter> This would be a good place for you to start.
12:33 < markusin> thatis fine
12:33 * lindaD peddling faster
12:33 < stvn> once it's stable enough we can decide to move it trunk later
12:33 < markusin> ok.
12:34 < CameronShorter> How do you store your dynamic features?
12:34 < CameronShorter> As GML?
12:34 < markusin> not really
12:34 < markusin> I am using gml as transport format
12:35 < markusin> but I am storing the data in a spatio-temporal DBMS
12:35 < CameronShorter> ok
12:35 < markusin> so that it is also possible to make spatio-temporal
queries
on the db
12:35 < markusin> DB
12:35 < markusin> i.e. distance between two moving points, etc..
12:36 < CameronShorter> I'm more interested in how you are using MB, how
does
MB access the data? GML layer? WFS layer?
12:36 < CameronShorter> or are you querying the database direct?
12:36 < markusin> now
12:36 < markusin> from mapbuilder I am using wfs request
12:36 < markusin> the request will be converted into sql
12:36 < markusin> than I get the result
12:37 < markusin> that will be converted into GML packed in a WFS response
12:37 < markusin> and on client side I have a model
12:37 < markusin> DynamicFeatureCollection
12:38 < markusin> some widgets
12:38 < markusin> and a controller
12:38 < mattdiez> Right, that's all pretty standard so far.
12:38 < CameronShorter> How is DynamicFeatureCollection difference to
FeatureCollection?
12:39 < markusin> DynamicFeatureCollection in addition have a time instant
12:39 < markusin> or a time interval
12:39 < markusin> and one dynamicfeaturecollection have several timeslices
12:40 < markusin> so they are called in GML
12:40 < markusin> where a timeslice have a position and an instant
12:40 < markusin> there is also a second GML representation
12:41 < CameronShorter> Matt, is this anything like the work you have been
doing?
12:41 < markusin> MovingObjectStatus
12:41 < mattdiez> Nothing client-side-moving. I've been using animation,
instead, for that purpose.
12:42 < mattdiez> Although, markus, are you planning on using the "vcr"
controls to move objects, or do they move automatically?
12:42 < markusin> I am using the Markers of openlayers
12:43 < markusin> and automatically they are moved
12:43 < markusin> i did not use vcr.
12:44 < mattdiez> Okay, then I am unfamiliar with this method, but I'd
be glad
to take a look.
12:44 < markusin> how did you use animation?
12:44 < CameronShorter> Does GML support time slices, or have you
extended the
GML spec?
12:44 < markusin> no
12:45 < markusin> gml support as well timeslice
12:45 < markusin> as well movingobjectstatus
12:45 < markusin> i only extended gml with a third entity
12:45 * lindaD has to leave husband ran out of gas and need to go get him
12:45 < markusin> to describe moving objects as a sequence of segments
12:46 < markusin> all the rest is standard
12:46 < CameronShorter> By Linda, PSE, BE, BA, ...
12:46 < stvn> bye, thanks linda
12:46 < markusin> execept the spatio-temporal wfs queries
12:46 < CameronShorter> PSC even.
12:46 < markusin> because they do not exist
12:46 < markusin> in the filter encoding spec
12:47 < CameronShorter> Interesting, this might be a suggestion that
should be
put forward to the OGC.
12:47 < CameronShorter> (to extend the filter spec)
12:47 < markusin> I hope some members will be present in the conference
12:48 < markusin> I only investigated on few spatio-temporal queries.
12:48 < markusin> anyway, what do the member think about this?
12:48 < markusin> thing
12:48 < markusin> sorry
12:49 < markusin> for my english
12:49 < CameronShorter> It sounds like you are doing the right thing.
12:49 < CameronShorter> It would be good to hear Matt's comments after
he has
seen your code.
12:49 < markusin> very good
12:49 < mattdiez> Agreed. And, with that, folks, I must get moving.
12:49 < markusin> I will be happy
12:50 < mattdiez> Also, Ottens and Hocevar are usually great for
ideas/help on
these things too.
12:50 < mattdiez> Goodbye to all..
12:50 < markusin> bye
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12:51 < markusin> let's proceed in that way:
12:51 < CameronShorter> Ok, we probably should wrap up here.
12:51 < markusin> I will commit my part in the svn repository
12:51 < markusin> and hope to get feedback and suggestions.
12:51 < CameronShorter> good plan.
12:51 < markusin> fine
12:52 < CameronShorter> Ok, thank you everyone for coming. See you all next
week.
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