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William, are you really as stupid as you're acting, or is this some elaborate late-night charade? If you weren't there, and you *cannot name a single responsible party who was who was and made the claim* - Lance Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, or any of the rest, nor ground control, etc. - then no, it wouldn't be a claim worth considering, any more than I would entertain a claim that the Battle of the Pelennor Fields was an historical event because somebody saw the video footage. On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 1:36 AM, William Quimby <quimb...@gmail.com> wrote: And beyond that, when can visual evidence (from a war zone especially) be > called a "claim"? Certainly some of us saw the moon landing on TV - that I > guess is a "claim". But then again some of us thought it filmed in a > Hollywood > studio because, after all as Catron would suggest - NONE OF US WERE THERE! > -- "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað." ________________________________________________ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com