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The Revolution in Rojava book including its account of the uprising is based on over 150 interviews within Rojava. The account of the uprising is also based on reports from a Vice News team which reported from Rojava a week after the uprising. The accounts of a deal with Assad all seem to come from keyboard warriors in the US and Europe with no direct evidence of any deals. You can disagree with the analysis of the authors or the positions of the Apoist movement, fine, but smart-arse sneers about Bookhin don’t really justify continued casual slanders made with little to no evidence of fellow socialists over being handed Rojava for free, deals with Assad, being armed by Assad, “ethnic cleansing” and the rest. On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 at 11:43 am, Chris Slee via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Extract from "Revolution in Rojava", p. 54: > > 'The Revolution begins in Kobani > > 'At 1 a.m. on the night of July 18-19, 2012, the YPG took control of the > roads leading in and out of Kobani city. Inside the city, the majority of > the people, who supported the MGRK [Peoples Council of West Kurdistan], > occupied the state institutions. "We had marked which buildings we should > take over", recalled Pelda Kobani, who participated that night, "which ones > were useful for the people, even bakeries" The people then assembled at the > regime army's strongpoint in Kobani, and a delegation informed the regime > soldiers, "if you give up your weapons, your security will be guaranteed". > The soldiers looked out over the mass of people, and seeing that they had > no alternative, they agreed; some returned to their families in the Arab > cities, while others preferred to remain in Kobani because they had lived > there for forty years. > > 'The state had no substantial military force", said Hanife Hisen. "We > surrounded them...and they surrendered. The regime could't send them any > reinforcements. We didn't turn a single soldier over to the regime - we > just talked to them and called their families to come pick them up. The > ones who wanted to join the FSA, we let them go to Turkey". Heval Amer > points out that when the regime troops left, "we didn't let them take their > weapons. So they left behind many, even heavy weapons". Because the > liberation was bloodless, Hisen recalled, "people said the regime had > turned the weapons over to us. But it's a lie".' > > > ________________________________ > From: Marxism <marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu> on behalf of Chris > Slee via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2018 3:04:04 PM > To: Chris Slee > Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Assad threatens Idlib while Afrin resists > Turkish occupation (Green Left Weekly) > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > My source is the book "Revolution in Rojava", by Michael Knapp, Anja Flack > and Ercan Ayboga (Pluto Press 2016), p. 54-56. > > > They based their report mainly on interviews with people who participated > in these events. > > > Chris Slee > > > ________________________________ > From: Marxism <marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu> on behalf of Louis > Proyect via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> > Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2018 10:37 AM > To: Chris Slee > Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Assad threatens Idlib while Afrin resists > Turkish occupation (Green Left Weekly) > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > On 9/12/18 8:17 PM, Chris Slee via Marxism wrote: > > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > > ***************************************************************** > > > > > > > https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/syria-assad-threatens-idlib-while-afrin-resists-turkish-occupation > > > > > From the article above: > > "In July 2012, an uprising occurred in three predominantly Kurdish > cantons known collectively as Rojava in the Kurdish language. People > surrounded the Assad regime’s military bases and called on the soldiers > to surrender. In most cases, they did so. With regime forces stretched > by fighting rebels on multiple fronts, those who resisted were quickly > defeated." > > So what were the military bases that the Kurds surrounded and called > upon soldiers to surrender? I seem to have trouble finding a reference > to anything like that in Lexis-Nexis. Mostly, I find tons of references > to Assad abandoning territory to Kurds in order to focus on killing the > rebels that you people consider so politically backward compared to the > acolytes of Murray Bookchin. I admit that I have not read all the > hundreds of articles about Kurds and Assad in 2012 but the first 25 or > so read like this: > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/chris_w_slee%40hotmail.com > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
