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Let us leave aside our ideological differences for a moment and focus on simple facts.

How do you explain that the regime fights with all its brutal might against the uprising people in Damascus, Aleppo, Idlib, Raqqa etc. and kills tens of thousands (or more) in 2011-12. But when there is an uprising in "Rojava", not a single shot is fired and the Assadist military just withdraws! You can not seriously claim that Assad had become a pacifist!

So how can you call the events in "Rojava" a "revolution" and support it but the events in the rest of country not?!


Am 14.09.2018 um 04:32 schrieb Nick Fredman via Marxism:
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The Revolution in Rojava book including its account of the uprising is
based on over 150 interviews within Rojava. The account of the uprising is
also based on reports from a Vice News team which reported from Rojava a
week after the uprising. The accounts of a deal with Assad all seem to come
from keyboard warriors in the US and Europe with no direct evidence of any
deals. You can disagree with the analysis of the authors or the positions
of the Apoist movement, fine, but smart-arse sneers about Bookhin don’t
really justify continued casual slanders made with little to no evidence of
fellow socialists over being handed Rojava for free, deals with Assad,
being armed by Assad, “ethnic cleansing” and the rest.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 at 11:43 am, Chris Slee via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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Extract from "Revolution in Rojava", p. 54:

'The Revolution begins in Kobani

'At 1 a.m. on the night of July 18-19, 2012, the YPG took control of the
roads leading in and out of Kobani city.  Inside the city, the majority of
the people, who supported the MGRK [Peoples Council of West Kurdistan],
occupied the state institutions.  "We had marked which buildings we should
take over", recalled Pelda Kobani, who participated that night, "which ones
were useful for the people, even bakeries" The people then assembled at the
regime army's strongpoint in Kobani, and a delegation informed the regime
soldiers, "if you give up your weapons, your security will be guaranteed".
The soldiers looked out over the mass of people, and seeing that they had
no alternative, they agreed; some returned to their families in the Arab
cities, while others preferred to remain in Kobani because they had lived
there for forty years.

'The state had no substantial military force", said Hanife Hisen.  "We
surrounded them...and they surrendered.  The regime could't send them any
reinforcements.  We didn't turn a single soldier over to the regime - we
just talked to them and called their families to come pick them up.  The
ones who wanted to join the FSA, we let them go to Turkey".  Heval Amer
points out that when the regime troops left, "we didn't let them take their
weapons.  So they left behind many, even heavy weapons".  Because the
liberation was bloodless, Hisen recalled, "people said the regime had
turned the weapons over to us.  But it's a lie".'


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Subject: Re: [Marxism] Syria: Assad threatens Idlib while Afrin resists
Turkish occupation (Green Left Weekly)

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My source is the book "Revolution in Rojava", by Michael Knapp, Anja Flack
and Ercan Ayboga (Pluto Press 2016), p. 54-56.


They based their report mainly on interviews with people who participated
in these events.


Chris Slee


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https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/syria-assad-threatens-idlib-while-afrin-resists-turkish-occupation

  From the article above:

"In July 2012, an uprising occurred in three predominantly Kurdish
cantons known collectively as Rojava in the Kurdish language. People
surrounded the Assad regime’s military bases and called on the soldiers
to surrender. In most cases, they did so. With regime forces stretched
by fighting rebels on multiple fronts, those who resisted were quickly
defeated."

So what were the military bases that the Kurds surrounded and called
upon soldiers to surrender? I seem to have trouble finding a reference
to anything like that in Lexis-Nexis. Mostly, I find tons of references
to Assad abandoning territory to Kurds in order to focus on killing the
rebels that you people consider so politically backward compared to the
acolytes of Murray Bookchin. I admit that I have not read all the
hundreds of articles about Kurds and Assad in 2012 but the first 25 or
so read like this:


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