That makes sense. Maybe it is an American thing. I am used to the word certificate being used much more loosely. There are certificates of ownership, certificates of completion,, certificates of awards, and certificates of many other things. It is just a word used to mean that the document (the certificate) is formally stating that some specific entity is acknowledging something as being the case. With a COA, I see it as just stating that the entity (the seller) is formally acknowledging the authenticity of the item. But anyway I think people are probably tired of the discussion by now.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:52 AM Maurizio Eltri via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > I am thinking that perhaps there are > interpretative rules that may vary from country > to country. At least here in Italy and a little > more generally in Europe, a certificate is an > important document and as such its value can only > be given if it is drawn up by a person or body > legally responsible for doing so. If everyone > could draw up any certificate on their own, it > certainly would no longer have the same value. > In the specific case you write "In this case the > seller is" certifying "the" authenticity "of the > meteorite he is selling." In this case the > document cannot define a certificate but rather a > self-certification or rather a self-declaration, > which are very different things. > > > > At 17:34 26/07/2022, you wrote: > >I guess I am just not understanding how the word > >"certificate' is misrepresenting anything. I > >am not sure where the text you copied came from > >or how it relates, but the word certificate is > >appropriate when a specific entity is formally > >stating something. In this case, the seller is > >"certifying" the "authenticity" of the meteorite > >they are selling. It is correct usage.  The > >cards I use don't actually say "certificate of > >authenticity" on them  but when customers ask > >about a "COA" I know what they are talking about > >and don't see anything wrong with the > >term. They clearly know that it is the seller, > >and not some other entity, making the claim that > >the item is authentic, so there is no problem of > >confusion of what it means. Regarding the > >issue of a "lack of seriousness" of the seller, > >times change. It could be that at one point > >people might have found the term weird, but for > >new collectors a COA is just an assumed part of > >a purchase. If they asked for one and you said > >"I don't provide those, but I have a label" that > >would indicate to them a lack of > >seriousness. The difference is that the term > >"label" doesn't imply that the seller is > >vouching for the authenticity of something -- > >and although it is true the owner would be > >responsible for mistakes whether he vouched for > >it or not, there is really no downside to > >vouching for it, and it gives the buyer some > >piece of mind to have a document providing > >provenance in which the seller stated that the > >item was genuine. But if you don't like the > >term certificate of authenticity, don't use it > >on your cards -- I don't -- but don't imply that > >there is anything incorrect or dishonest or > >unserious about the term just because it doesn't appeal to you > personally. > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 12:09 AM Maurizio Eltri > >via Meteorite-list > ><<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > >wrote: > > > >Dear friends, > > > >I believe that even a "marketing tool" cannot > >misrepresent the meaning of the words, this can > >lead to suspect the lack of seriousness of the seller. > > > >.............................................................. > >Significato della parola “CERTIFICATO†: > > > >  In sintetici si può dire che il certificato è > >un attestato di conformità (rilasciato rispetto > >ad una specifica precisata, non esiste la > >certificazione generica) emesso da un soggetto, > >terzo e, autorizzato (qualificato, accreditato, > >indipendente) a farlo (per legge , per norme ISO > >e relativi accordi di riconoscimento, ecc.) > >  > ><https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato> > https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificato > > > > > >Meaning of the word "CERTIFICATE": > >  In summary, it can be said that the > >certificate is a certificate of conformity > >(issued with respect to a specified > >specification, there is no generic certification) > >issued by a subject, third party and authorized > >(qualified, accredited, independent) to do so (by > >law, for ISO standards and related recognition agreements, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast > antivirus. > ><https://www.avast.com/antivirus>https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > >______________________________________________ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > ><mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > -- > Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast > antivirus. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ______________________________________________ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >
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