I know i'll always read this list as I'm sure those of us who have been here forever will continue to do
From: john.david.dal...@gmail.com<john.david.dal...@gmail.com> To: <mootools-users@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 Subject: Re: [Moo] jQuery venting ! > It's not trolling to defend the reason this list exists. That's not what you're doing. > Trolling is deliberately injecting negativity.... Heh, here I thought nitpicking word choice and bloviating fell into that category :3 > I can think of few better examples than chiming in on a list peopled by fans > of a once-major technology to tell them their technology deserved to die. Who did that? > Unsubscribe is your friend. I've been around before you and will be around long after you lose interest in going tit for tat in this mailing thread. Those who know me know I'm big on dev consistency, support, and unit tests. I've been a MooTools fan for a while coming from Prototype.js, my favorite part is its uniform support & customizability, but I'm also capable of seeing what projects like jQuery do right and learning from them. I'm also fine with constructive criticism of projects, esp. when backed up with tests/repros, but don't really dig name calling or attacking a lib based on things that cannot be substantiated or API (as that can be smoothed over easily enough with adapters). - JDD On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM, hazl...@gmail.com <hazl...@gmail.com> wrote: Well said From: sa...@figureone.com<sa...@figureone.com> To: John-David Dalton<mootools-users@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 Subject: Re: [Moo] jQuery venting ! > The decline of MooTools rests on the MooTools core devs and no one > else. Yep, it is/was principally an internal problem (including the community as well) but I think you're whitewashing if you think Microsoft didn't buttress jQuery *in part* because jQ couldn't possibly compete design-wise with their OO product lines. Every .NET dev I know accepts that jQuery must be "good enough" if Microsoft chose it. Yet jQuery is "bad enough" that it keeps them from being compelled by native JavaScript and JS developer-focused frameworks; it keeps them thinking JS is basically what the world thought it was in 1995. And that belief keeps them away from building single-page clients against Node.JS, for example. Think about Microsoft actively embracing PHP over Python. And I'm a huge PHP guy, but I don't think that was _solely_ because PHP is the dominant language of the web; it also protects their products, because PHP will rarely be compelling to an experienced .NET dev (except maybe for selected tiny projects). Trust me, it's not "Microsoft's fault" that Moo is where it is, but nothing happens in a vacuum. jQuery is BY FAR the crappiest Big Thing in circulation right now, and just so happens to be embraced by the once-leaders in ensuring that crappy Big Things spread far and wide. Like the conspiracy freaks like to retort, "So you're a coincidence theorist?" :] -- Sandy -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mootools-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mootools-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mootools-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MooTools Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mootools-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
