Hi, On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, jim vickroy <jim.vick...@noaa.gov> wrote: > On 10/23/2013 8:51 AM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal wrote: > > Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > but the layout of that page is on > purpose. scipy.org is split into two parts: (a) a SciPy Stack part, and > (b) > a numpy & scipy library part. You're looking at the stack part, and the > preferred method to install that stack is a Python distribution. > > OK, I'm not sure that's a great idea, but if we take that as a given: > > That page could use some clarification about what the heck the "stack" > is, and what its relationship to the scipy and numpy packages is. > > And I still think it wouldn't hurt to more obviously point people to > how to get either numpy or scipy themselves. > > So maybe my section about the "official" binaries, but lower on the > page. I don't like "custom" as a title, as that makes it sound like > advanced numpy-fu, not where a newbie looking for just numpy is going > to look. > > But it sounds like the real problem is with the surrounding > pages--that's the page you find when you try to figure out how to get > numpy--if that page is about the stack, it should not be linked to > directly from the numpy.org page without explanation. > > We do have a branding problem: "scipy" is a package, a "stack" and a > ecosystem/community. It should be clear which one is being referred to > when. > > -Chris > _______________________________________________ > NumPy-Discussion mailing list > NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org > http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion > > Chris, thanks for taking this on! You very clearly state all of the > confusion I have had with Numpy and Scipy distributions and branding. I > also agree that relying on a Python distribution to provide Scipy and Numpy > is not a good idea. --jv
I know what you mean. I think there are two groups of users out there: 1) Want software, want it now, with minimum fuss; no beef with installer being primarily based at a single company 2) Like to know how everything got onto my computer, strong preference for community-supported distributions I guess that there's a fairly large group 2 in the Python community. For me, that was a powerful reason to switch from MATLAB. Some of this group is just starting, they own Macs or have Windows machines, and they need binary installers. I don't think there's any practical way of shifting people between groups, and trying to do so will likely cause heated arguments. There's no need to prefer one group over the other - we just need to make sure that both groups have instructions and binaries they can recognize as being for their case. As in: (Group 1): The easiest way to get .... (Group 2): You can also install the stack from community-supported binaries, this is more complicated, but possible by ... Cheers, Matthew _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
