The reason man hole covers are round are: 1) the hole is round and
2) its impossible for a round cover to fall into a round hole. no matter which way you turn it, it can't fall down the hole. A square cover can fall down if you angle the shortest edge between the diagonals. 3) and because turtles. ________________________________ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> on behalf of Scott Barnes <scott.bar...@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, 9 June 2016 1:39:00 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for work I'm still stumbling my way through a psychology degree (hah weak attempt at an appeal to authority lol) but I'm more and more convinced that "technical interviews" are a form of projection less about means testing a persons' potential / abilities. Some folks just have extremely poor working memory while others have excellent ones but on the whole the ability for them to regurgitate the exact location of where logic lies within the .NET framework is really moot. Hell, I think i could probably put the .NET program managers themselves into the same process and i'd wonder if they would come out unscathed and more over what purpose does it really serve? If someone can memorise the entirety of ASP.NET<http://ASP.NET> MVC but fails to apply the same logic in say Mono Subset then do they really know .NET or do they just know a subset of .NET. What if they could provide coverage on everything .NET up and until LINQ or Entity Framework? is that still .NET pass or fail? In that they've effectively illustrated they can grasp or comprehend the primitives required to progress with .NET but in the end have poor recall abilities? In my interview process what I typically look for the most is appetite for puzzles. You're an engineer, you're not meant to walk in with answers you're supposed to walk in with enough foundation pieces to find answers, trick with interviews is to then test the foundation... its why stupid questions like "Why are manhole covers round" are legendary... its an open question that has only one true answer (because Ninja Turtles need to get in / out of them) but lends itself to creative / critical thinking. Technical are fine but if they are more targeted at foundation level points ...ie "inside pseudo code, write the usage of a pointer being passed in out of two separate layers and then same thing but a copy instead" - who cares if the person writes this in python, you now have an indicator marked out on their ability to understand how memory works which in turn is really what you want to know at the end of the day. When people lie in their CV"s they are an "expert" don't be quick to punish, as what you're likely seeing unfolding is someone who's got the confidence and ambition to fight for that title - so in a way, use that, feed that behaviour and you'll likely come away with a seasoned warrior. If after 1 - 3 months they are an empty vessel, well you still can say "Sorry, the tribe has spoken, thanks for coming". Only a fool would assume that a new hire is productive in the 1-3 month timelines anyway, as thats just not how it actually unfolds (regardless of skill level). my 25c. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com<mailto:bec.usern...@gmail.com>> wrote: That's what recruitment agencies typically ask for on a CV. I know how hard it can be when recruiters look for an "angular expert" but the only angular experience you have is some online videos. Hard to compete. Many devs lie on the CV actually to get the job, sometimes it works. On Tuesday, 7 June 2016, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com<mailto:tonyw...@gmail.com>> wrote: I would find it a dubious stat, and certainly wouldn't rely on it. It only indicates your perception of where you are and may have no basis in reality. Best leave it out and wait for those employers that think it means something to request it from you. Better employers will be able to gauge where you are from your history and clever questioning. T. On 7 Jun 2016 3:49 PM, "Tom P" <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: What do the seniors here look for on a CV? I've been told by a few people I should be giving myself a score out of 10 for competency in a particular language/technology but I find it quite hard to do that and have it actually mean anything. Thanks Tom On 7 June 2016 at 10:22, Greg Keogh <gfke...@gmail.com> wrote: I had a tough time down there too. Everywhere seemed to want an AngularJS "expert" when I was looking. Oh hell! I'll never work again -- GK
