Bruce,
This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about Canada,
but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There is really
nothing to stop an individual from making copies or otherwise using products
they own for their own purposes. I assume the manufacturer's purpose behind
the provision you quote is to discourage dissemination of these materials.
But if individuals don't have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would
have any reason to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that
said, I share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use
them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Toews" <br...@ogts.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats
It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content.
Bruce
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the legal
jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus "fair use" in the US
would allow you to convert Audible books into another format for your own
personal use.
Audible's terms and conditions at
http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the
following:
6. Grants of Licenses
a. Audible Content License. When you "clickout" or otherwise "purchase"
(referred to herein, collectively as "Purchase") Audible Content from the
Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited, revocable, non-exclusive,
non-transferable license to download or stream such Audible Content to your
computer and/or your Device(s) solely for your personal non-commercial use.
You shall not copy, reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any
other manner. You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or
publicly perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit
it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the
Audible Content or attempt to do so; or (B) modify the Audible Content or
create any derivative works therefrom. This license to the Audible Content
you Purchase will continue for as long as your copy of Audible Content
exists pursuant to and in accordance with the terms and conditions of this
Agreement.
In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that say
converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under "fair use" while
others say that Audible's terms and conditions preclude doing this. I'm not
sure that I've seen anything definitive on either side though. A lot of
people say it's illegal without quoting any laws or T&C's, while others say
it can't be illegal due to "fair use", but I'm not sure they understand
"fair use" or not. For my part, I would think it is legal to convert and
Audible file to MP3, but I would not give this MP3 file to anyone or place
it anywhere where anyone else to get to it. If you do this, I doubt a law
enforcement agency here in the US would go after you.
Bruce Toews wrote: It can't be legally done. The terms of service to which
you agreed prohibit it.
Bruce
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Sylvia wrote:
Hi list, I recently joined Audible, and I wanted to find out if there are
any programs that will allow you to convert Audible files to the mp3 format.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Sylvia.
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