I was just curious. Is it possible at all to convert the nls files or rfbd files to play on an ipod or like device?
Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:52 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats Thanks all for the information. I personally didn't interpret "do not decompile, disassemble, or reverse engineer the Audible Content" as prohibiting me from converting the media format. Maybe if it had said electronic content instead of "audible content" I might have interpreted it differently. After all, you are allowed to download it, stream it and write it to CD for your own personal use. Granted, I might have read this with a pair of rose colored glasses on. I guess my main point was two fold. First, I saw quite a few sites which claimed that their product was a legal way to convert Audible files into other formats and other sites which talked about what was and wasn't legal given Audible's terms and conditions, the DMAC, fair use and court cases, which lead me to believe that it isn't clear what is and isn't legal in this case. Second, as others have stated on this list, I doubt any company or law enforcement agency would prosecute anyone who was making copies for their own personal use and was scrupulous about making sure those copies didn't end up in anyone else's hands. Note that I also feel it's clear that sharing these files, even with a few friends, is illegal, although maybe not unethical. Richard Claypool wrote: > Hi, > > there is fair use, but the digital molenium copyright act prohibits > breaking encryption on files. This has been one of the complaints of > people for ages that they can't make a personal backup of say a dvd > for thier own use because it violates the DMCA. > Rick > twitter > http://twitter.com/elheme > > msn > bellevue....@gmail.com > skype > lord_of_beer > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Spratt" > <adr...@adrianspratt.com> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats > > >> Bruce, >> >> This is an intelligent but very literal reading. I don't know about >> Canada, but in the US, copyright law has a fair use exception. There >> is really nothing to stop an individual from making copies or >> otherwise using products they own for their own purposes. I assume >> the manufacturer's purpose behind the provision you quote is to >> discourage dissemination of these materials. But if individuals don't >> have that intention, I doubt the manufacturer would have any reason >> to care. Correct me if I'm overlooking something. All that said, I >> share your concern that we all respect copyrighted materials and use >> them only for ourselves and maybe a friend or two. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bruce Toews" <br...@ogts.net> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:53 AM >> Subject: Re: converting Audible files to other formats >> >> It says you shall not modify or disassemble the content. >> >> Bruce >> >> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> >> I'm not sure this is true. I may not be able to interpret all of the >> legal jargon, but I think Audible's terms and conditions plus "fair >> use" in the US would allow you to convert Audible books into another >> format for your own personal use. >> >> Audible's terms and conditions at >> http://www.audible.com/adbl/faqs/terms.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes say the >> following: >> >> 6. Grants of Licenses >> >> a. Audible Content License. When you "clickout" or otherwise >> "purchase" (referred to herein, collectively as "Purchase") Audible >> Content from the Audible Service, Audible grants you a limited, >> revocable, non-exclusive, non-transferable license to download or >> stream such Audible Content to your computer and/or your Device(s) >> solely for your personal non-commercial use. You shall not copy, >> reproduce, distribute or use the Audible Content in any other manner. >> You shall not sell, transfer, lease, modify, distribute or publicly >> perform the Audible Content in any manner and you shall not exploit >> it commercially. Do not (A) decompile, disassemble, or reverse >> engineer the Audible Content or attempt to do so; or (B) modify the >> Audible Content or create any derivative works therefrom. This >> license to the Audible Content you Purchase will continue for as long >> as your copy of Audible Content exists pursuant to and in accordance >> with the terms and conditions of this Agreement. >> >> In doing some searching on the web, there are quite a few sites that >> say converting Audible books to MP3 is legal in the US under "fair >> use" while others say that Audible's terms and conditions preclude >> doing this. I'm not sure that I've seen anything definitive on either >> side though. A lot of people say it's illegal without quoting any >> laws or T&C's, while others say it can't be illegal due to "fair >> use", but I'm not sure they understand "fair use" or not. For my >> part, I would think it is legal to convert and Audible file to MP3, >> but I would not give this MP3 file to anyone or place it anywhere >> where anyone else to get to it. If you do this, I doubt a law >> enforcement agency here in the US would go after you. >> >> Bruce Toews wrote: It can't be legally done. The terms of service to >> which you agreed prohibit it. >> >> Bruce >> >> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Sylvia wrote: >> >> Hi list, I recently joined Audible, and I wanted to find out if there >> are any programs that will allow you to convert Audible files to the >> mp3 format. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. 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