Fair Points and I too have used Adobe Audition though it was quite some
time back, I enjoyed the experience.
I'm not totally anti Sound Forge either, I own Sound Forge Audio Studio,
there are things I don't like about it, I'm not sure - knowing now what
I didn't know when I bought it - I would have paid the money for it but
having said all that, well it cost less than $100 and does perform quite
well, I wonder to be honest whether Sound Forge Audio Studio might be
all that most people would need if they're going to look at Sound Forge?
A lot of people are fascinated with the "Pro" in a title, Sound Forge
Pro and so on but having "Pro" as part of a name doesn't mean that its
better or worse than the competition or doesn't mean that its going to
work any better than a basic or cut down version of something for some
users.
On 2/07/2015 7:15 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
Dane and others,
This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious
discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out
with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from
Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible.
Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was
suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge.
While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge
will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make
inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a
tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money
and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions.
Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If
someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they
are going to experience a good deal less frustration.
Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details.
More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found
it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've
also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are
sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple
of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could
find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using
an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what
I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of
the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was told could be done by
another package was for expanding the sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found
that I got results with the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could
not achieve with a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise,
they did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge had,
though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I could not find
anything that worked as well in that particular case. I developed a process in Sound
Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice job of bringing up the audio gain for
questions off mike that sounds a lot like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays
compression and then after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had
similar effects, but I could just never quite get the same results.
So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is the
best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I keep
reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, and
program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been said
specifically is where there is a program that does everything Sound Forge does
for me and also does some of what Sound Forge does in a more accessible way.
So SWave can edit as tightly. That is good to know, but what else does it do?
Does anybody have experience with the latest version of Audition with the
latest screen reader support for it? Is it worth a look? I tried it a while
back and much of what was lost is now made accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I
still found gaps.
I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge number
of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very specific
problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would dynamically
expand audio, either accessible or not.
It is fine to say there are many other options, and I wouldn't argue with that
at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would have to
use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound Forge with all
of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto another band wagon,
especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would be helpful if we didn't
each have to try five different programs to find out what each will or not do.
Has anyone found Audacity plug-ins that are particularly useful? What else
does SWave do? I know that Total Recorder can record pretty much any audio
that comes into a computer, can be set up for timed recording, and can be used
to edit, but does it have other audio functions? Gold wave does a lot of
things well. Can anyone who used Sound Forge and moved to Gold Wave talk about
what is better and what isn't? It would be helpful to get some specifics from
people who use various tools.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM
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Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily
You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave?
Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very
tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software
have functions a plenty for tight editing.
On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote:
If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor
I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just
as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of
it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan
Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge,
told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for
most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the
bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to
use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very
well.
.
On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know
that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to
different files.
On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote:
All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break
them with it too like with SF?
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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 -
Studio Daily
The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the
pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've
spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping
beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5
and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and
software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss
out on anything that actually works.
Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility
and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along
where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note
of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there.
A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally
thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all
the rest of it.
I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known
about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a
fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him
credit for having the courage to try another product and just not
blindly follow on.
Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether
Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered
so we're back to square one, why spend so much money?
On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote:
I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and
it works very well.
On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision,
there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9
and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite
me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed.
On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's
excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a
good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my
editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that
Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot.
Brian Hartgen
Hartgen Consultancy
www.hartgen.org
Phone UK: 02920-850298.
Phone US: 415-871-0626
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Dane Trethowan
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 -
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If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple
keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted<smile>, Total
Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type
ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to
record from anywhere.
I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio
Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual”
features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of?
If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for
recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything
else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro.
On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke
and you're capturing.
I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio.
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Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM
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Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 -
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http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/
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