I've tried Total recorder a little strange to work, but kind of got it. Also, it doesn't do full blu-ray audio quality. PCM 96 thousand KHZ 24 Bit recording. I love me some 96 KHZ 24 bit audio.
-----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:15 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Dane and others, This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been said specifically is where there is a program that does everything Sound Forge does for me and also does some of what Sound Forge does in a more accessible way. So SWave can edit as tightly. That is good to know, but what else does it do? Does anybody have experience with the latest version of Audition with the latest screen reader support for it? Is it worth a look? I tried it a while back and much of what was lost is now made accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I still found gaps. I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge number of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very specific problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would dynamically expand audio, either accessible or not. It is fine to say there are many other options, and I wouldn't argue with that at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would have to use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound Forge with all of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto another band wagon, especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would be helpful if we didn't each have to try five different programs to find out what each will or not do. Has anyone found Audacity plug-ins that are particularly useful? What else does SWave do? I know that Total Recorder can record pretty much any audio that comes into a computer, can be set up for timed recording, and can be used to edit, but does it have other audio functions? Gold wave does a lot of things well. Can anyone who used Sound Forge and moved to Gold Wave talk about what is better and what isn't? It would be helpful to get some specifics from people who use various tools. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave? Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software have functions a plenty for tight editing. On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: > If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor > I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just > as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of > it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan > Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, > told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for > most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all the > bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability to > use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works very > well. > . > > On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >> different files. >> >> >> >> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you break >>> them with it too like with SF? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>> Studio Daily >>> >>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>> out on anything that actually works. >>> >>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come along >>> where the developers are interested in accessibility and take note >>> of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>> >>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent literally >>> thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, upgrades and all >>> the rest of it. >>> >>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a >>> fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him >>> credit for having the courage to try another product and just not >>> blindly follow on. >>> >>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether >>> Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions offered >>> so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it and >>>> it works very well. >>>> >>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 >>>> and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, despite >>>> me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>>> >>>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving a >>>> good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with my >>>> editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that >>>> Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>>> >>>> Brian Hartgen >>>> Hartgen Consultancy >>>> www.hartgen.org >>>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>>> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >>>> >>>> JAWS Certified, 2015. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple >>>> keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted<smile>, Total >>>> Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just type >>>> ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey to >>>> record from anywhere. >>>> >>>> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio >>>> Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” >>>> features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >>>> >>>> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for >>>> recording, editing, multi track recording and just about everything >>>> else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke >>>>> and you're capturing. >>>>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>> Studio Daily >>>>> >>>>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ********** >>>>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> ********** >>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest >>>> of the halfwits in this world behind. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > -- ********** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
