> > From: Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/04/11 Tue AM 08:57:51 GMT > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > > > Contraptions like the ones described in Mike's link is in fact quite > popular by bird photographers in Norway too. A home made solution > doesn't have to cost a fortune, but the dry suit Tim will need to wear > probably will. > > Nothing more dangerous in the water than weever, though. :-) > > Jostein
http://safety-boots.greenham.com/c/pl/66912/Acifort-Ribbed-Full-Safety-Chest-Waders-with-Midsole Weevers, watch out!! 8-))) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> From: Tim Øsleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: 2006/04/10 Mon PM 11:43:03 GMT > >> To: <pentax-discuss@pdml.net> > >> Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > >> > >> In theory, I agree 100% with every word you say. > >> In reality, most of the time, there are 25 meters of water between > >> me and > >> the birds. > >> What alternatives does that leave me with? Investing heavily in > >> lenses (read > >> selling the car), or cropping. > > > > Buy a canoe? > > http://www.profotos.com/education/promag/articles/december2001/birdblind/index.shtml > > http://www.iucn.org/themes/SSC/actionplans/grebes/ch4b.pdf > > > > m > > > > > >> > >> > >> Tim > >> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > >> > >> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > >> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Bob W [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > Sent: 11. april 2006 00:23 > >> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >> > Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > >> > > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > first of all, I would question the following statements: > >> > > >> > > photography and birds. My longest glass that is usable is > >> > > 500mm (with converter it tends to be too soft), so I have to > >> > > crop the pictures to make them interesting. > >> > > >> > > Now, when shooting digitally, being forced to crop later > >> > > something happens with my mindset. > >> > > >> > Why do you think you have to crop later? What is forcing you to > >> > do this? > >> > Like you, I have shot mainly slides, and I prefer to compose in > >> > the > >> > viewfinder. I never shoot with the intention of cropping later, > >> > and I very > >> > rarely crop. When I've shot wildlife it has usually been with a > >> > 400m lens > >> > as > >> > the longest, plus a 2X TC. Admittedly, most of the wildlife I've > >> > shot has > >> > been bigger than most birds, but I never found a problem with > >> > composing in > >> > the viewfinder. I would hazard a guess that any issue you have is > >> > more > >> > psychological than real. With a hide you should be able to get > >> > very close > >> > to > >> > the birds. At the bird sanctuaries I've been too, the hides and > >> > the birds > >> > have been very close to each other. I notice that the most > >> > popular birding > >> > binoculars are something like 8x45, which is not very big. The > >> > main issue > >> > with them seems to be the need to focus closely, which also tells > >> > me > >> > something about how close you can get to birds. > >> > > >> > I recommend that you put these thoughts of cropping out of your > >> > mind, and, > >> > as you suggest, practice. Get used to the new techniques you are > >> > using > >> > first, before you expect world-shattering photographs, and accept > >> > that it > >> > will take some time to get through the learning phase. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cheers, > >> > Bob > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > Sent: 10 April 2006 22:53 > >> > > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > >> > > Subject: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder. > >> > > > >> > > Those of you reading the list lately may have noticed that I > >> > > have a project going on, that forces me to explore some new > >> > > land (read learn new techniques). > >> > > How a beeeep should you avoid noticing that? With my endless > >> > > ranting questions ;-) > >> > > > >> > > I have been talking about using longer lenses, building hides > >> > > and so on. > >> > > This has been great fun, and I am learning a lot about > >> > > photography and birds. My longest glass that is usable is > >> > > 500mm (with converter it tends to be too soft), so I have to > >> > > crop the pictures to make them interesting. > >> > > > >> > > This has made me realise that I am a lot better at composing > >> > > in viewfinder then I am with composing on computer screen. I > >> > > have been thinking about this. I have some ideas about why. > >> > > > >> > > First: > >> > > It is that in the field I compose more on instinct. I am > >> > > there, and I have emotions about the motifs. My heart is > >> > > involved, and I believe that it is my heart that makes the > >> > > composing decisions. Back at home, the motifs are more > >> > > distant to me, so there I compose by brain (and as you know, > >> > > that's not much of a brain). > >> > > > >> > > The second reason has to do with the decisive moment: > >> > > When I shot slides my mind was in "capture mode" (sorry Shel, > >> > > I know you don't like that word). When pushing the button I > >> > > knew that what is in frame, stays in frame, and what is out > >> > > of frame, stays out. (Everybody who has tried masking slides > >> > > in glassless frames, knows that you do everything you can to > >> > > avoid that activity later). > >> > > > >> > > Now, when shooting digitally, being forced to crop later > >> > > something happens with my mindset. There is no decisive > >> > > moment in post processing on computer. > >> > > There is always possible to go back. > >> > > > >> > > What I'm saying is that I think I need the decisive moment to > >> > > make a good composition. I also need to be emotionally > >> > > connected with the motif in some way. > >> > > > >> > > But what do I do about this? Practise is one obvious answer. > >> > > And I will practise. But, I also have a strong belief in the > >> > > power and wisdom of this list. I would really surprise me if > >> > > it doesn't burp up some good ideas and advise. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Tim > >> > > Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) > >> > > > >> > > Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds > >> > > (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
