Hi Tim
you not only posed a question you also made a strong statement that you
**have to** crop your shots even when using a 500mm lens. That's why you got
those answers IMHO.

Brutally said, I start thinking that your where simply not patient enough
for that kind of bird photography yet.

greetings
Markus



>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 1:39 PM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.
>>
>>
>>List. You are not responding to my question, you are simply burping gas.
>>Helicopter is out of the question ;-)
>>
>>My question was something like this. How do I become better at cropping at
>>computer? I tried to analyze the situation a bit, but the question was as
>>simple as that.
>>
>>
>>Tim
>>Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>
>>Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
>>(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tim Øsleby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: 10. april 2006 23:53
>>> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>> Subject: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.
>>>
>>> Those of you reading the list lately may have noticed that I have a
>>> project
>>> going on, that forces me to explore some new land (read learn new
>>> techniques).
>>> How a beeeep should you avoid noticing that? With my endless ranting
>>> questions ;-)
>>>
>>> I have been talking about using longer lenses, building hides and so on.
>>> This has been great fun, and I am learning a lot about photography and
>>> birds. My longest glass that is usable is 500mm (with converter it tends
>>> to
>>> be too soft), so I have to crop the pictures to make them interesting.
>>>
>>> This has made me realise that I am a lot better at composing in
>>viewfinder
>>> then I am with composing on computer screen. I have been thinking about
>>> this. I have some ideas about why.
>>>
>>> First:
>>> It is that in the field I compose more on instinct. I am there,
>>and I have
>>> emotions about the motifs. My heart is involved, and I believe
>>that it is
>>> my
>>> heart that makes the composing decisions. Back at home, the motifs are
>>> more
>>> distant to me, so there I compose by brain (and as you know, that's not
>>> much
>>> of a brain).
>>>
>>> The second reason has to do with the decisive moment:
>>> When I shot slides my mind was in "capture mode" (sorry Shel, I know you
>>> don't like that word). When pushing the button I knew that what is in
>>> frame,
>>> stays in frame, and what is out of frame, stays out. (Everybody who has
>>> tried masking slides in glassless frames, knows that you do
>>everything you
>>> can to avoid that activity later).
>>>
>>> Now, when shooting digitally, being forced to crop later
>>something happens
>>> with my mindset. There is no decisive moment in post processing on
>>> computer.
>>> There is always possible to go back.
>>>
>>> What I'm saying is that I think I need the decisive moment to
>>make a good
>>> composition. I also need to be emotionally connected with the motif in
>>> some
>>> way.
>>>
>>> But what do I do about this? Practise is one obvious answer. And I will
>>> practise. But, I also have a strong belief in the power and
>>wisdom of this
>>> list. I would really surprise me if it doesn't burp up some
>>good ideas and
>>> advise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
>>>
>>> Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds
>>> (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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