Thanks. It certainly makes more sense than your attempt to rationalize Hitler's goals. That's laughable.
Paul via phone > On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:07 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. > > Good argument, BTW. > > LOL! > > Cheers, > > frank > >> On November 15, 2015 8:00:31 PM EST, Paul Stenquist >> <pnstenqu...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank. >> >> Paul via phone >> >>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf <knarftheria...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a >> "Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the >> ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially >> buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post >> WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that >> actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain >> had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion. >>> >>> This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. >>> >>> Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That >> included the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, >> China, the Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas >> and Britain treated their Empire. >>> >>> Again, domination of their part of the world, not world domination. >>> >>> I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather >> orthodox historical views is anything like Holocaust denial. >>> >>> As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not >> saying they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now >> will guarantee a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on >> Friday - or worse. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> frank >>> >>>> On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> >> wrote: >>>> Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of >>>> its >>>> maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries. >>>> >>>> That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine, >>>> Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the >>>> Balkans >>>> to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya, >>>> Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, >>>> Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states >> along >>>> the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of >>>> India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. >>>> >>>> If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for >>>> government >>>> work. >>>> >>>> Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is >> questionable, >>>> but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians >>>> anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms >>>> about >>>> killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise. >>>> >>>> There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic >>>> Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of >> ISIS/ISIL. >>>> There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm >>>> afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic >>>> Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding >> in >>>> their midst. >>>> >>>> Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest, >>>> spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is >>>> not >>>> anti-Islamic fervor. >>>> >>>> And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World >>>> Domination" >>>> in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with >> Holocaust >>>> Denial. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote: >>>>> ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate >>>>> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken >>>>> seriously. >>>>> >>>>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle >>>>> East and possibly North Africa. >>>>> >>>>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago >>>>> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud >>>>> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were >> concocted >>>>> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of >>>>> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century. >>>>> >>>>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it >>>>> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. >>>>> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers >>>>> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way >>>>> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq >>>>> military. >>>>> >>>>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in >> the >>>>> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up >>>>> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to >>>>> happen, again and again. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> frank >>> >>> -- >>> >>> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >>> >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> >>> -- >>> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >>> PDML@pdml.net >>> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >> and follow the directions. > > -- > > "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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