Hello Brad, The bar you found is from an Edison model N. There are two types,
the one made for the stylus bar screw and the one made for the stylus bar pin.
On the Model N from around 54,000 the bar is held in place with a pin. The
hole in the bar is drilled with a #71 drill bit and the pin is press fit. In
the earlier N the bar is drilled with a #70 drill bit and a screw is uses. The
Model L and H used the pin in some of the later ones. To test it out see if a
stylus bar screw from a C or H will fit the hole. If you want to know why
Edison used the stylus bar spring I can provide a complete description of why
from Al Sefl. The Edison model N is four minute, the Indestructible N is two
minute. Indestructible did make reproducers for Hexaphone, those have serial
numbers beginning with an R for Regina. The Edison Model N reproducer stylus
bar was marked with an N and they have the L to retain the spring that goes
around the stylus bar link. The Model L reproducer ha
s an identical bar that is not stamped and I have seen some N reproducers with
unstamped bars as well. The O, M and L also had a tiny spring that went around
the eyelet under the link which are mostly lost. The first flat weight H type
Model L had the stylus bar that swivels in solid shoulders so the early L bar
is different. The early H had this type of bar, but that is another story. The
Indestructible Model N came with a two minute stylus and an aluminum stylus
bar. The Frow book agrees with me saying the Indestructible N was marketed
from Sept 28, 1908 with a .040 diameter inch stylus that engaged the record
suface .015. The Edison four minute sapphire is .017 in diameter, .015 at the
head and engages the surface .0035 as does both the DD and Diamond ABC diamond.
The two diamonds differe in the angle, one is 60 the other 80 degrees. Expert
uses .0037. The thickness of 20 pound printer paper is .0038. I measured the
shaft of an Edison four minute sapphire and it
was .017 which agreed with the Edison drawing I saw courtesy of Rob Lomas.
If you or anyone has any more questions I enoy them. I appreciate input as I
learn. Steve
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> From: out...@aol.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:33:16 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
>
>
> Hi Steve-- I was going through a bunch of parts today- Found a 4 minute
> needle bar that has an "L" shaped tab on the tail end and the underside of
> the bar is marked "N". Was this for an Indestructible reproducer or for a
> version of the Edison N ??
>
> Thanks- for any help you can give-
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com>
> To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 18, 2012 2:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
>
>
>
> What is the serial number of the winged B and does your carriage have the
> centering pin and notch?
>
> Steve
>
>
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > From: out...@aol.com
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:28:59 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
> >
> >
> > My red banner Home with nickle tag is H42799 and was found with a winged
> > B--
> It was a Pennsylvania attic find a couple years ago. It's one of the nicest
> condition machines I've seen in a long time-- decal is near mint, original
> stitched belt in good shape, gold is 95%+. Just a beautiful machine that was
> complete with a 42" all brass horn, original crane and 103 cylinders. I love
> it!!
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Tucker <mtucker1...@gmail.com>
> > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> > Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 11:25 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Red Banner Long Case Edison Home A
> >
> >
> > I have 43744 listed as red and gold banner, but this is well and truly
> > beaten by the one on eBay at the moment - H42115 with R and G banner and
> > NICKEL tag. The earlist Black and Gold version I have listed is H53447.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 17/12/2012 6:43 AM, Michael F. Khanchalian wrote:
> > > Thank you so much Al!
> > >
> > > One of mine is 48485 and I can't get at the other one right now :-)
> > >
> > > So appreciative for the marvelous resource you are to all of us !
> > >
> > > Michael K.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On Dec 16, 2012, at 2:35 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Hello Michael:
> > >>
> > >> You will find the red banner range of the Model A 'long case' Home to be
> from
> > the introduction of the 'New Cabinet' style to H52234 which is the highest
> > I
> > have confirmed. By H52251 the black banner has been used and the red is
> > history.
> > >>
> > >> I have seen a seller on eBay with a refinished Home B cabinet using a
> modern
> > red banner decal declare the machine to be an "all original rare and highly
> > desirable red banner Home." Again, this makes me want to scream at the
> > computer...
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Al
> > >>
> > >> PS: The 'New Style Cabinet' came in just before 41000. So, about 12,000
> > >> red
>
> > banner long case Home As were made.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Michael F. Khanchalian <mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com>
> > >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org>
> > >> Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:02 am
> > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner
> > >> Home
> > case was dropped?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> While we're at it gang, I'd love to know the range of serial numbers
> > >> within
> > >> which the early red banner (originally placed on the lid) appeared on
> > >> the
> > front
> > >> of the Home case.
> > >>
> > >> Michael K.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Mike Tucker <mtucker1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I have 205836 with a banner. Records are not up to date so will try to
> > >>> see
>
> > if
> > >> any are higher.
> > >>> Mike Tucker
> > >>>
> > >>> On 16/12/2012 2:59 PM, George Paul wrote:
> > >>>> I know - - I was just being a smart ass. The Edison Phonograph Monthly
> > >> announced the end of the banner decals on all models in the September
> > >> 1906
> > >> issue. Taking into account the set-up for that issue occurring in
> > >> August,
> > about
> > >> the closest I can estimate is that the Home lost the banner decal around
> > serial
> > >> No.210,000 or a bit earlier depending on how long the change had been in
> > effect
> > >> when it was announced in the EPM that "...all models are now being sent
> > out..."
> > >> with the new decal. A safe range would probably be between 205,000 and
> > 210,000.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> George P.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Steven Medved <steve_nor...@msn.com>
> > >>>> To: phono-l <phono-l@oldcrank.org>; phonolist
> > >>>> <phonol...@yahoogroups.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Sat, Dec 15, 2012 10:25 pm
> > >>>> Subject: [Phono-L] Any idea around what serial number the banner Home
> case
> > >> was dropped?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That is what I meant to ask. I wish I could afford an editor. Steve
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