Perhaps a kickstarter campaign for the project?
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:38 PM John Sechrest < sechr...@seattleangelconference.com> wrote: > Yep , just need someone to manage the project to closure. > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:37 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@portlandia-it.com> > wrote: > >> $5k dropped on some overseas programming group in India will get you a >> whole lotta translating! >> >> Ted >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of John Sechrest >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 5:34 PM >> To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> >> Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks >> MediaWiki - why?) >> >> I wonder how far you would get by asking Bard or chatgpt or one of the >> other AI things to translate Python 2 to current python.... >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:31 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@portlandia-it.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > > a dead-end solution with a future of pain, fragility, and >> > >(probably) unpatched security vulnerabilities while people scramble >> > >to >> > find >> > and implement a solution (that may no >longer exist within even a >> > reasonable set of parameters). >> > >> > I feel compelled to point out that if people spent half the time >> > simply paying a software programmer to upgrade the codebase of these >> > projects that they spend complaining about the projects becoming dead >> > end, that they would have updated projects that work for a tenth of >> > the price that Micro$oft wants them to pay for windows versions of >> > things. >> > >> > How many hundreds if not thousands of wikis on the Internet that use >> > Moinmoin have ever just considered posting a message "We just upgraded >> > to Debian Bullseye and we get 10 compiler errors when attempting to >> > build Moinmoin on it. $5000 to the first person who fixes that and >> > produces a functioning binary, and feeds the changes back into the >> public source" >> > >> > OR, how many of them have picked up a compiler and tried their hand at >> > fixing it themselves? >> > >> > Ted >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Paul >> > Heinlein >> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 8:38 AM >> > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> >> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks >> > MediaWiki - why?) >> > >> > On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senior wrote: >> > >> > > A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x >> > > is based on python 2. Python2 is (of course) deprecated and pretty >> > > much abandoned as of Debian Bullseye. It seems somewhat ironic that >> > > the wiki that proudly announces Debian 12 (bookworm) as of July 22, >> > > has to run Debian 10 (buster, i.e. oldoldstable) because that's the >> > > last version that supports python2 enough to run the wiki. >> > > >> > > >> > > https://u35970666.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=TqJK0v-2BTL1dmkjS-2FZ >> > > RB >> > > wGRDG4t3PuCk88LFqqcTvyYGDJGeFNIjwU8pGkcA3tIrkXxPogHNGRue04tX0s41yELy >> > > VT >> > > 2kQTzNKeJ1a3JRIU5c-3DkyL0_VIYZ4N8dmyIPGy7Y8nsPO1q5dom4O0HMDO1WKXG4iy >> > > 6c >> > > RPYqUFHozao-2Fpbo-2BoZqOchXuKORABSzW180gWYBHeRPNrdK7edxBEXDVaeFmkWm4 >> > > xn >> > > UhizY9EOtln7Mj8LEiArb78-2BbHAD0AsaSTK9AWj1JB0cOk7hkn-2BvgslB0tXdYqMV >> > > 8B ZkiZeBlgfBwozTDycTSoXvNA4kNrtVykLP6PwQ-3D-3D >> > > >> > > I have a particularly acute awareness of this because Personal >> > > Telco's wiki also uses moinmoin, and it stopped working when I tried >> > > to update to Debian 11 (bullseye) about a year ago. We had a brief >> > > outage while I figured out what had gone wrong. >> > >> > This is a sadly familiar story. A high-level software package depends >> > on dozens, perhaps hundreds, of lower-level language runtimes, >> > libraries, and even utilities. One or more of those lower-level >> > packages gets deprecated, drops features, becomes orphaned, or simply >> > doesn't keep up with the rest of the dependency ecosystem. >> > >> > Voila -- a dead-end solution with a future of pain, fragility, and >> > (probably) unpatched security vulnerabilities while people scramble to >> > find and implement a solution (that may no longer exist within even a >> > reasonable set of parameters). >> > >> > I feel vaguely guilty every time I say it, but if computers were easy >> > I wouldn't have a job. >> > >> > -- >> > Paul Heinlein >> > heinl...@madboa.com >> > 45°22'48" N, 122°35'36" W >> > >> > >> >> -- >> -- >> [image: www.seattleangelconference.com] >> <http://www.seattleangelconference.com/> >> >> *JOHN SECHREST* >> *Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference >> TEL (541) 250-0844 EMAIL sechr...@seattleangel.com >> Schedule A Meeting <http://sechrest.youcanbookme.com/> >> >> http://seattleangelconference.com >> @nwangelconf >> >> An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new >> entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem. >> >> > > -- > -- > [image: www.seattleangelconference.com] > <http://www.seattleangelconference.com/> > > *JOHN SECHREST* > *Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference > TEL (541) 250-0844 EMAIL sechr...@seattleangel.com > Schedule A Meeting <http://sechrest.youcanbookme.com/> > > http://seattleangelconference.com > @nwangelconf > > An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new > entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem. > > -- -- [image: www.seattleangelconference.com] <http://www.seattleangelconference.com/> *JOHN SECHREST* *Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference TEL (541) 250-0844 EMAIL sechr...@seattleangel.com Schedule A Meeting <http://sechrest.youcanbookme.com/> http://seattleangelconference.com @nwangelconf An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem.
