Pat

I agree, we don't want them to look like real people, which is why we proposed 
the addition of "Fictitious character" as a core element last year. The same 
applies to access points for real non-human entities. This is why 9.19.1.2 is 
how it is. It's important to the functional objective "Identify" in RDA 8.2, 
and the user task "Contextualize" in FRAD 6, that users are able to distinguish 
access points that are for real persons, and for human persons, from access 
points that are not.

As has been said, this will all be discussed by JSC next month.

Regards
Richard

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-----Original Message-----
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Patricia Sayre-McCoy
Sent: 08 October 2013 20:51
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

Surely we include "fictitious character" for these names? Do we really want 
them to look like real people?
Pat

Patricia Sayre-McCoy
Head, Law Cataloging and Serials
D’Angelo Law Library
University of Chicago
773-702-9620
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-----Original Message-----
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 2:37 PM
To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca
Subject: Re: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

This access point for Wiggin, Ender was first established by BYU *without* a 
qualifier, following LC's instructions only to add qualifier to these access 
point if there was a conflict. Somebody at BL took it upon themselves to add 
the qualifier (without the appropriate subfield coding, as you note). I do not 
think it was appropriate to change this access point, since there was no 
conflict at the time it was established and there is no new conflict now. 
(Subsequently somebody at Washington corrected the subfield coding).

The access point for Wiggin, Peter was first established by BYU *with* a 
qualifier (correctly coded) because there *was* a conflict with another Peter 
Wiggin.

Bob

Robert L. Maxwell
Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger
6728 Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602
(801)422-5568 

"We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to 
the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.

-----Original Message-----
From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access 
[mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of FOGLER, PATRICIA A GS-11 
USAF AETC AUL/LTSC
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 8:07 AM
To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA
Subject: [RDA-L] RDA name authorities |c (Fictitious character)

I'm working through today's name authority changes & wondering why I'm finding:
‡a Wiggin, Ender (Fictitious character)  but ‡a Wiggin, Peter ‡c (Fictitious 
character)

Is this simply two different agencies interpreting the rules differently? 

We don't catalog a lot of fiction here so I've not much experience with 
fictitious characters.  I do edit our base library records occasionally & they 
have a number of Card's titles. 

I'd send this to LChelp4rda but I am guessing they are not back at work as yet.

//SIGNED//
Patricia Fogler
Chief, Cataloging Section  (AUL/LTSC)
Muir S. Fairchild Research Information Center 
DSN 493-2135   Comm (334) 953-2135  

  

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