The backstory: According to press accounts, each year the seniors at Russell County High School elect a "class chaplain" (this year, Megan Chapman) who gives the prayer at graduation. A student filed suit to stop the prayer. Hearing about the suit, the seniors (apparently following the advice of Liberty Counsel) re-elected Chapman the day before graduation to give a "message." The judge was apparently not impressed by the switch and ordered school officials and the student not to include a prayer in the ceremony. That led to the protest by 200 seniors during the event. According to the news account in the Courier-Journal, Chapman did give a speech in which she spoke of her faith in God and urged her classmates to trust in God. In my view, the original arrangement (seniors elect a chaplain to give a prayer) is unconstitutional (Santa Fe). The alternative -- the selection of a student to give a message -- is the advice given by groups like Liberty Counsel (relying on Adler) -- and close to the advice given in the U.S. Dept. of Education guidelines (2003). The fact that the students (perhaps encouraged by school officials) tried to change from "prayer" to "message" at the last minute undermines the charge by Chapman/Liberty Counsel that her speech rights were violated by the judge's order. It seems to me that the protest by the 200 students (and the standing ovation from the crowd) was all about the what they believe to be the "right" of the majority to impose prayer (their prayer) on everyone else at the graduation. It is not enough that Chapman was free to express her personal religious views in her speech or that they could have as much prayer as they wish at a privately-sponsored baccalaureate. They want the kind of Christian prayer that has been offered at graduation in Russell County for years. This conflict isn't about "free speech" or even a 60-second prayer; it's about who gets to define what kind of nation we are. Charles Haynes First Amendment Center
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kurt Lash Sent: Tue 5/23/2006 10:14 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Teenagers &The Spirit of Liberty I think that the denigration of Rick and his original post has gone a bit overboard. As I understand the facts (and I could be wrong), the students voted on a graduation speaker and that speaker planned on including a prayer as part of her speech. In an injunction based on a suit filed only days before, the judge prohibited the student from praying. Apparently prayers were a traditional part of the ceremony, but it's not clear how they took place. But taking the facts as known, I am not at all convinced that the Court's establishment clause jurisprudence forbids all prayers by invited private speakers (including students) at school events. Could she have been held in contempt if she declared "God have mercy on the souls of those killed in Iraq"? It seems to me that when the government opens a space for private speech, forbiding private speakers from engaging in "religion talk" raises serious First Amendment issues. It begs the question to assert "tyranny of the majority." As I tell my students, the only thing worse than a tyranical majority is a tyrannical minority--or a single tyrant. The issue is whether a supermajority of the people, at a moment in time, enshrined a principle in our constitution which justifies the injunction in this case. Unless I am wrong about the facts, I am not at all convinced that it does. The students' action/protest not only accepted (for the moment) the court's ruling (no lynch mob here), I thougt its symbolism was quite potent: "The courts cannot silence our private religious speech." They may have acted from a religious/majoritarian impulse, but the constitutional principle involved protects both the majority and minority from unwarranted government censorship--whether by courts or by school boards, and whether the speech is secular or religious. Kurt Lash Loyola Law School (L.A.) PS: There is, of course, a serious issue regarding the degree to which members of an an audience may prevent a speaker from speaking, or a ceremony from taking place, through their disruptive protests--whether religious or secular based. This issue, however, has nothing to do with the establishment issues raised by those responding to Rick's post. Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ZW+hF43hOXfSlPtjprWkmg)" Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT --Boundary_(ID_ZW+hF43hOXfSlPtjprWkmg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT I see from earlier news stories that the student first asked the principal to not schedule prayers at the graduation, and the principal refused. The prayers objected to originally were clearly out of line under current case law. School authorities shouldn't be in the business of telling kids when to pray -- and is that not exactly what scheduling prayers is? Rick, is there any reason this group shouldn't be compared to the lynch mob that goes after a suspected horse thief? The fellow may be guilty, and a court can determine that later -- but lynching is illegal, and shouldn't we trust to the courts to arrive at a near-just conclusion? I graduated from a high school where I was one of 2 students -- about 1% of the graduating class -- not of the predominant religion. I understand exactly what the plaintiff in the case complained about. It's scary that a ruling from a federal court is not enough to preserve religious rights against a mob. I'm deeply troubled by that. Ed Darrell Dallas Rick Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is the way I look at it. "One poor kid" tried to censor his classmates with the help of a powerful legal ally, the ACLU. His classmates did not like being silenced by the "poor kid." So they made a stand--not to ostracize the poor kid, but to stand up for their liberty of religious expression at their own commencement. They did not violate the spirit of the EC. The spirit of the EC deals with government coercion and religion. The true spirit of the Religion Clause is on the side of the students who would not be cowed and silenced by the ACLU and the unelected judiciary. I am proud of these kids. I hope their spirit spreads to many other schools and impacts many other commencements. There is no need to ask school officials to sponsor prayer. All students need to do is pray: without asking for endorsement or permission from government authorities. Cheers, Rick Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some info from the involved ACLU affiliate is at this link: http://www.aclu-ky.org/news.html#Grad%20Prayer That info includes the following paragraph: "School-sponsored prayer constitutes a symbolic and tangible âEUR~preferenceâEUR¦ given by lawâEUR(tm) to a religious sect by exalting it over contrary religious beliefs deemed less worthy of government endorsement,âEUR the ACLU argues in the court papers. âEURoeIt compels attendance at a place of worship by conditioning participation at public graduation ceremonies on acceptance of prayer at those ceremonies.âEUR I don't see how having a student body election for "graduation chaplain" as I saw described in this Kentucky case cures the problem post Lee and Santa Fe. I don't know why anyone would cheer the ostracism of some poor kid at his own high school graduation. With all due respect to Prof. Duncan, that doesn't sound like "religious liberty" to me. Allen Asch In a message dated 5/23/2006 10:14:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For a somewhat different take on this, see my Religion Clause blog post titled âEURoeLooking for Establishment Clause LoopholesâEUR at http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2006/05/commentary-looking-for-establishment.html ************************************* Howard M. Friedman Disting. Univ. Professor Emeritus University of Toledo College of Law Toledo, OH 43606-3390 Phone: (419) 530-2911, FAX (419) 530-4732 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ************************************* --------------------------------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Duncan Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:04 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Teenagers &The Spirit of Liberty Link (See also link) Excerpt from the second link): High School Students Defy ACLU and Court May 20, 2006 01:43 PM EST By Sher Zieve âEUR" Despite U.S. District Judge Joseph McKinleyâEUR(tm)s ruling that no prayer was to be allowed at KentuckyâEUR(tm)s Russell County High School commencement ceremonies, at least 200 students recited the LordâEUR(tm)s Prayer during the ceremony. The ACLU had argued to have prayer banned at graduation, due to a complaint from 1 student. Thunderous applause is said to have broken out towards the end of the prayer and senior Megan Chapman continued with her praise, when she said that her fellow students should trust God as they continue their lives after high school. Chapman commented "It [the prayer] made the whole senior class come together as one and I think that's the best way to go out", then added: "More glory went to God because of something like that than if I had just simply said a prayer like I was supposed to." Every year in May there are stories of liberty like these. I love it when young men and women take a stand for free speech and religious liberty! Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902 _______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. Rick Duncan Welpton Professor of Law University of Nebraska College of Law Lincoln, NE 68583-0902 "It's a funny thing about us human beings: not many of us doubt God's existence and then start sinning. Most of us sin and then start doubting His existence." --J. Budziszewski (The Revenge of Conscience) "Once again the ancient maxim is vindicated, that the perversion of the best is the worst." -- Id. --------------------------------- Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice._______________________________________________ To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others. --Boundary_(ID_ZW+hF43hOXfSlPtjprWkmg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT <div>I see from earlier news stories that the student first asked the principal to not schedule prayers at the graduation, and the principal refused. The prayers objected to originally were clearly out of line under current case law. School authorities shouldn't be in the business of telling kids when to pray -- and is that not exactly what scheduling prayers is?</div> <div> </div> <div>Rick, is there any reason this group shouldn't be compared to the lynch mob that goes after a suspected horse thief? The fellow may be guilty, and a court can determine that later -- but lynching is illegal, and shouldn't we trust to the courts to arrive at a near-just conclusion?</div> <div> </div> <div>I graduated from a high school where I was one of 2 students -- about 1% of the graduating class -- not of the predominant religion. I understand exactly what the plaintiff in the case complained about. It's scary that a ruling from a federal court is not enough to preserve religious rights against a mob. I'm deeply troubled by that.</div> <div> </div> <div>Ed Darrell</div> <div>Dallas<BR><BR><B><I>Rick Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV>Here is the way I look at it. "One poor kid" tried to censor his classmates with the help of a powerful legal ally, the ACLU.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>His classmates did not like being silenced by the "poor kid." So they made a stand--not to ostracize the poor kid, but to stand up for their liberty of religious expression at their own commencement. They did not violate the spirit of the EC. The spirit of the EC deals with government coercion and religion. The true spirit of the Religion Clause is on the side of the students who would not be cowed and silenced by the ACLU and the unelected judiciary. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I am proud of these kids. I hope their spirit spreads to many other schools and impacts many other commencements. There is no need to ask school officials to sponsor prayer. All students need to do is pray: without asking for endorsement or permission from government authorities.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers, Rick Duncan<BR><BR><B><I>[EMAIL PROTECTED]</I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name=GENERATOR><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV>Some info from the involved ACLU affiliate is at this link:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href="http://www.aclu-ky.org/news.html#Grad%20Prayer">http://www.aclu-ky.org/news.html#Grad%20Prayer</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>That info includes the following paragraph:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Courier New">"School-sponsored prayer constitutes a symbolic and tangible âEUR~preferenceâEUR¦ given by lawâEUR(tm) to a religious sect by exalting it over contrary religious beliefs deemed less worthy of government endorsement,âEUR the ACLU argues in the court papers. âEURoeIt compels attendance at a place of worship by conditioning participation at public graduation ceremonies on acceptance of prayer at those ceremonies.âEUR</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't see how having a student body election for "graduation chaplain" as I saw described in this Kentucky case cures the problem post <EM>Lee </EM>and <EM>Santa Fe</EM>. I don't know why anyone would cheer the ostracism of some poor kid at his own high school graduation. With all due respect to Prof. Duncan, that doesn't sound like "<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>religious liberty</FONT>" to me.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Allen Asch</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 5/23/2006 10:14:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For a somewhat different take on this, see my Religion Clause blog post titled âEURoeLooking for Establishment Clause LoopholesâEUR at<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A title=http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2006/05/commentary-looking-for-establishment.html href="http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2006/05/commentary-looking-for-establishment.html">http://religionclause.blogspot.com/2006/05/commentary-looking-for-establishment.html</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">*************************************<BR><STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Howard M. Friedman</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG> <BR>Disting. Univ. Professor Emeritus<BR>University of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Toledo</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> of Law<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Toledo</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">OH</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">43606-3390</st1:PostalCode></st1:place> <BR>Phone: (419) 530-2911, FAX (419) 530-4732 <BR>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <BR>************************************* </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Rick Duncan<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:04 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Law & Religion issues for Law Academics<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Teenagers &The Spirit of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Liberty</st1:place></st1:City></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A title=http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060520&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=605200365&SectionCat=&Template=printart href="http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060520&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=605200365&SectionCat=&Template=printart">Link</A> (See also <A title=http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14733.html href="http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/14733.html">link</A>)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Excerpt from the second link):<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">High School Students Defy ACLU and Court</SPAN></FONT></B><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 3pt"> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><I><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-STYLE: italic"><!-- end.title --><!-- publish.date -->May 20, 2006 01:43 PM EST</SPAN></FONT></I><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><!-- end.publish.date --> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">By Sher Zieve âEUR" Despite U.S. District Judge Joseph McKinleyâEUR(tm)s ruling that no prayer was to be allowed at <st1:State w:st="on">Kentucky</st1:State>âEUR(tm)s <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Russell</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">High School</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> commencement ceremonies, at least 200 students recited the LordâEUR(tm)s Prayer during the ceremony. The ACLU had argued to have prayer banned at graduation, due to a complaint from 1 student.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue">Thunderous applause is said to have broken out towards the end of the prayer and senior Megan Chapman continued with her praise, when she said that her fellow students should trust God as they continue their lives after high school.<BR><BR>Chapman commented "It [the prayer] made the whole senior class come together as one and I think that's the best way to go out", then added: "More glory went to God because of something like that than if I had just simply said a prayer like I was supposed to."</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV> <DIV><!-- end.article-text --> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Every year in May there are stories of liberty like these. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I love it when young men and women take a stand for free speech and religious liberty! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV id=RTEContent> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Rick Duncan <BR>Welpton Professor of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Law</st1:PlaceName> <BR><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Nebraska</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType> of Law <BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Lincoln</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">NE</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">68583-0902</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></FONT>_______________________________________________<BR>To post, send message to Religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu<BR>To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/religionlaw<BR><BR>Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR> <DIV id=RTEContent> <DIV>Rick Duncan <BR>Welpton Professor of Law <BR>University of Nebraska College of Law <BR>Lincoln, NE 68583-0902</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><BR>"It's a funny thing about us human beings: not many of us doubt God's existence and then start sinning. Most of us sin and then start doubting His existence." --J. Budziszewski (The Revenge of Conscience)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>"Once again the ancient maxim is vindicated, that the perversion of the best is the worst." -- <EM>Id.</EM></DIV></DIV> <div> <HR SIZE=1> Ring'em or ping'em. Make <A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman11/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://voice.yahoo.com">PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min</A> with Yahoo! 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