Yet leading cultural indicators show that since 1960 in America, violent crime has increased by 560 percent, illegitimate birth rates have increased more than 400 percent, teen suicide is up over 200 percent, the divorce rate has more than doubled, and the percentage of families headed by a single parent has more than tripled.
It seems to me, thanks to courts and judges that enforce state atheism and Ed's social experiment upon our families and children, by taking Bibles and prayer OUT of public schools, that... And that's with increased Bible instruction that violates the law. Ed Brayton is right to worry -- looks like more of the same, maybe at an increased rate. Why not study what it really says, study the real literature components (as with every AP English course), the real effects on history (as with every AP U.S. History and AP World History course)? Tougher academics can help -- Sunday school in the public schools is, by Chaplian Klingenschmitt's tally, a grotesque failure, doing the opposite of what it is intended. More seriously, pay very careful attention to Mark Chancey's comments. He's a very distinguished, and faithful, Bible scholar. What the Texas State School Board is working to implement is contrary to most Christian faiths, let alone the Constitution. Incompetence, weak academics, bad religion -- it's a bad brew. When the state board ignores the state's leading Bible scholars, the state's teachers and teacher organizations, and even the sponsor of the Bill, there's evil afoot. And when we try to increase the AP offerings, which feature increased study of both Christianity and the Bible, these same people complain. Something's rotten in Texas. There's prayer in the schools, but sadly, that's all the students have. No wonder crime, illicit sex are up, and academic achievement is down. The kids are following the State School Board's examples, ignoring all authority, making their own, unanchored moral decisions, ignoring the best information, etc. By the way, I don't think the divorce rate has doubled. I think it's dropping, in fact. Anybody got a current statistic? Ed Darrell Working in Dallas to get the curriculum planned out for 2008-2009, no thanks to the State School Board Gordon James Klingenschmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ed writes about teaching about the Bible (as an optional elective) in public schools, "the result is going to be very ugly and very expensive." Yet leading cultural indicators show that since 1960 in America, violent crime has increased by 560 percent, illegitimate birth rates have increased more than 400 percent, teen suicide is up over 200 percent, the divorce rate has more than doubled, and the percentage of families headed by a single parent has more than tripled. It seems to me, thanks to courts and judges that enforce state atheism and Ed's social experiment upon our families and children, by taking Bibles and prayer OUT of public schools, that... "the result has already been very ugly and very expensive." In Jesus name, Chaplain Gordon James Klingenschmitt Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree that much more guidance is needed (along the lines suggested in the consensus guidelines we issued in 2000 -- "The Bible and Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide" http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/about.aspx?id=6261. What puzzles me, however, is why the State Board fails to mention the requirements for training as outlined in Section 21.549 of the Texas "Bible Bill." Perhaps that is the next step... but there is no mention of it in the the board's decision this week. If the training requirements mandated by the bill are followed, then many of the problems might be avoided... But with groups out there pushing unconstitutional Bible materials (such as those at issue in the recently-settled lawsuit in Odessa) it will be difficult to monitor what is going on across the state. Charles Haynes 21.459. BIBLE COURSE TRAINING. (a) The commissioner shall develop and make available training materials and other teacher training resources for a school district to use in assisting teachers of elective Bible courses in developing: (1) expertise in the appropriate Bible course curriculum; (2) understanding of applicable supreme court rulings and current constitutional law regarding how Bible courses are to be taught in public schools objectively as a part of a secular program of education; (3) understanding of how to present the Bible in an objective, academic manner that neither promotes nor disparages religion, nor is taught from a particular sectarian point of view; (4) proficiency in instructional approaches that present course material in a manner that respects all faiths and religious traditions, while favoring none; and (5) expertise in how to avoid devotional content or proselytizing in the classroom. (b) The commissioner shall develop materials and resources under this section in consultation with appropriate faculty members at institutions of higher education. (c) The commissioner shall make the training materials and other teacher training resources required under Subsection (a) available to Bible course teachers through access to in-service training. (d) The commissioner shall use funds appropriated for the purpose to administer this section. Charles Haynes The Freedom Forum First Amendment Center 555 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20001 202/292-6293 - office 703/683-1924 home office ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ed Brayton Sent: Tue 7/22/2008 1:56 AM To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com Having seen some of the material already at use in many Bible courses in Texas, I can only say that the State board of education is being incredibly irresponsible in not spelling out exactly what can and can't be taught in such classes. Local school districts are inevitably going to teach this course in constitutionally dubious ways without such guidance. Terri Leo claims that providing such guidelines might lead to a lawsuit; not providing them is going to lead to many such suits - and sooner rather than later. They are doing the same thing the Louisiana legislature is doing with the recent "academic freedom" legislation, inviting local schools into a "Dover trap." The result is going to be very ugly and very expensive. Ed Brayton -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gibbens, Daniel G. Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:20 PM To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Subject: RE: Bible class rules set for Texas schools - Faith- msnbc.com Justice Brennan's well-known statement, concurring in Schempp, 374 US at 300: "teaching about the Bible" "in classes in literature or history" is permissible. As literature, surely teaching about the Bible is different from other literature items, distinctively involving the necessity of treating these issues: The fact that some people believe it (or some of it) is "the word of God" -- others believe that it is essential to understanding their religion -- others believe it is interesting literature but otherwise irrelevant -- and thinking internationally, it is one several books presenting similar issues, e.g., the Koran. Arguably, if teachers are not so advised/trained, there are indeed critical church-state issues. Dan Daniel G. 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