On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Lauri Leukkunen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 20, 2008, at 23:59 PM, Ray Kiddy wrote: > >> >> Having banged my head on the wall trying to get some scratchbox things >> working, but seeing the value in doing this, I want to try to help document >> some things and have started to do so, but a few questions I have are >> holding me back. If anyone is willing to answer them, it would be much >> appreciated: >> >> 1) Choose the correct phrase: >> >> Maemo is a plaform for development that is ( dependent on | related to | >> derived from | seperate from ) the Debian tools platform. >> > > I don't understand what any of those options mean ;) > >> 2) Which of these is true? >> >> - Scratchbox (http://www.scratchbox.org/) is the current version and >> should be used by most people, even though most of its documentation is old. >> > > Probably true, but keep in mind that "most people" shouldn't be using > scratchbox (1 or 2) directly on their own, they should be using it because > the distro of their choice (Maemo, some inhouse embedded distro) is using > it. Now for some people who do "get it", it's actually pretty straight > forward to use scratchbox with any target distribution, but I've totally > given up hope of the average user figuring the things out for themselves > since nobody who thinks they can write code bothers to read documentation, > no matter how much that would help them. > > As soon as it goes beyond "click here to install", 99% of people have spent > their attention span. > >> - Scratchbox2 (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2) is the >> current version and should be used by most people, even though it is mostly >> undocumented. > > Scratchbox2 is the current development version, there is no 2.0 release out > yet. I hope to have it out within this decade... > >> - Scratchbox2 will eventually replace Scratchbox. > > Most likely, unless people have fallen in love with SB1 and don't want to > give up their chroot jail. Stockholm syndrome. SB1 costs about 10x more to > develop and maintain.
Actually, I have for some time now but recently been having some problems using my custom toolchain (or foreign toolchain as they put it). It's been something I'm working on off and on but it's been giving me a beating. I do agree the maintainance is a problem but change takes time. I have to admit I took a look at OE and have been impressed with the way things are done in it. But I still like SB. >> - Scratchbox2 has nothing to do with Scratchbox. > > Not true. SB2 will be used by Nokia to replace SB1 at some point, it seems > to take quite long to happen though, not surprisingly. > > >> - The Debian tools platforms stands on its own and can be used for >> development. > > Again I don't understand what you mean with "debian tools platform". Maybe refering to emdebian or debian cross tools? Which is a different environment that SB. >> - Maemo is the suggested platform for development for most users. > > It is the suggested platform for development for people who want to target > Maemo. > For other distros someone needs to put together an SDK using SB (1 or 2) and > then people can use it. > >> I also found this page and will link to it, since it would have been >> amazingly helpful to find this page earlier, before having to ask a bunch of >> dumb questions. Did everyone else just find this, somehow, and it seemed not >> worth mentioning? >> >> http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/ScratchboxInstallation >> >> It occurs to me that this page might even replace the installdoc.html page >> and it would be editable. So it could be kept up to date. > > Most people who use SB (the people doing maemo work), got their instructions > from their SDK provider (maemo.org in most cases). > > The sad state of the documentation on scratchbox.org reflects this. As for > SB2, I've not cared about documentation myself. If someone wants to step > forward and start writing it into the fdo wiki, I'll promise to answer *any* > question, more or less. :) Maybe many haven't switch to SB2 yet? like me :-). > /lauri > _______________________________________________ > Scratchbox-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.scratchbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scratchbox-users > _______________________________________________ Scratchbox-users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.scratchbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/scratchbox-users
