[Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

2008-02-06 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi,

For years we have had AFTERJM as a way to first delete al spam mail and then 
scan the remainder for virusses.
Lots of us have not used it because a mail that was held or something like it 
would not be scanned. If after that it was put back in the queue it would never 
have been scanned.

A few years ago that wasn't a problem, today it is when 90+% of the mail is 
spam and less then 1% is virus. Virusscanning uses the most cpu as far as I can 
see.
With the way Declude works now with a Decludeproc service keeping track of 
everything can we not simply have Declude scan all mail for virusses etc unless 
it is deleted first by junkmail?

So whatever action junkmail takes, excluding deleting, the mail will be scanned 
for virusses. That way we don't have to worry anymore when resubmitting FP spam 
to the queue.
Together with the new Sniffer engine I'd love to use AFTERJM.

Reason for this mail I just had my mailserver brought to it's knees 
scanning a spamburst for nonexisting virusses. I know there are lots of other 
ways to catch spam before it hits the IMail server but that's not needed (yet) 
if I can user AFTERJM.


Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma
hoofd systeembeheer



tio hogeschool hospitality en toerisme 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

2008-02-06 Thread David Barker
The directive is AVAFTERJM 

 

We can look at setting an option for DELETE only.


David B

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bonno
Bloksma
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:28 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

 

Hi,

 

For years we have had AFTERJM as a way to first delete al spam mail and then
scan the remainder for virusses.

Lots of us have not used it because a mail that was held or something like
it would not be scanned. If after that it was put back in the queue it would
never have been scanned.

 

A few years ago that wasn't a problem, today it is when 90+% of the mail is
spam and less then 1% is virus. Virusscanning uses the most cpu as far as I
can see.

With the way Declude works now with a Decludeproc service keeping track of
everything can we not simply have Declude scan all mail for virusses etc
unless it is deleted first by junkmail?

 

So whatever action junkmail takes, excluding deleting, the mail will be
scanned for virusses. That way we don't have to worry anymore when
resubmitting FP spam to the queue.

Together with the new Sniffer engine I'd love to use AFTERJM.

 

Reason for this mail I just had my mailserver brought to it's knees
scanning a spamburst for nonexisting virusses. I know there are lots of
other ways to catch spam before it hits the IMail server but that's not
needed (yet) if I can user AFTERJM.

 

Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma
hoofd systeembeheer

 

tio hogeschool hospitality en toerisme 

begijnenhof 8-12 / 5611 el eindhoven
t 040 296 28 28 / f 040 237 35 20
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]  /  http://www.tio.nl
www.tio.nl 


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AW: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

2008-02-06 Thread Goebbels, Bernd (LDS)
hi,
 
we handle it for years like bonno described. it works fine. but we modified the 
system a little bit. we gather all held mail in a directory where we use the 
%DATE% - funtionality - so all held mails of one day are caught in a separated 
directory. each night (when there is little work for our server) we let our 
anti-virus(run by a task) check the parent directory and in the morning when we 
start working we got a virus-free directory, we can move somewhere else. i.e. 
you can start a zipping programm on all directories in the parent directory so 
you only have one file to move.
 
mfg
 
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düsseldorf
germany




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Hi,
 
For years we have had AFTERJM as a way to first delete al spam mail and 
then scan the remainder for virusses.
Lots of us have not used it because a mail that was held or something 
like it would not be scanned. If after that it was put back in the queue it 
would never have been scanned.
 
A few years ago that wasn't a problem, today it is when 90+% of the 
mail is spam and less then 1% is virus. Virusscanning uses the most cpu as far 
as I can see.
With the way Declude works now with a Decludeproc service keeping track 
of everything can we not simply have Declude scan all mail for virusses etc 
unless it is deleted first by junkmail?
 
So whatever action junkmail takes, excluding deleting, the mail will be 
scanned for virusses. That way we don't have to worry anymore when resubmitting 
FP spam to the queue.
Together with the new Sniffer engine I'd love to use AFTERJM.
 
Reason for this mail I just had my mailserver brought to it's knees 
scanning a spamburst for nonexisting virusses. I know there are lots of other 
ways to catch spam before it hits the IMail server but that's not needed (yet) 
if I can user AFTERJM.


Met vriendelijke groet,
Bonno Bloksma
hoofd systeembeheer


tio hogeschool hospitality en toerisme 
begijnenhof 8-12 / 5611 el eindhoven
t 040 296 28 28 / f 040 237 35 20
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   / www.tio.nl 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

2008-02-06 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi,

Of course I knew it was AVAFTERJM. Seems I made a consistent typo. ;-)

And then of course we would want AVAFTERJM NODELETE, we do not need to scan 
deleted mails anymore. :-)



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  - Original Message - 
  From: David Barker 
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:39 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM


  The directive is AVAFTERJM 

   

  We can look at setting an option for DELETE only.


  David B

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bonno Bloksma
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:28 AM
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] AFTERJM

   

  Hi,

   

  For years we have had AFTERJM as a way to first delete al spam mail and then 
scan the remainder for virusses.

  Lots of us have not used it because a mail that was held or something like it 
would not be scanned. If after that it was put back in the queue it would never 
have been scanned.

   

  A few years ago that wasn't a problem, today it is when 90+% of the mail is 
spam and less then 1% is virus. Virusscanning uses the most cpu as far as I can 
see.

  With the way Declude works now with a Decludeproc service keeping track of 
everything can we not simply have Declude scan all mail for virusses etc unless 
it is deleted first by junkmail?

   

  So whatever action junkmail takes, excluding deleting, the mail will be 
scanned for virusses. That way we don't have to worry anymore when resubmitting 
FP spam to the queue.

  Together with the new Sniffer engine I'd love to use AFTERJM.

   

  Reason for this mail I just had my mailserver brought to it's knees 
scanning a spamburst for nonexisting virusses. I know there are lots of other 
ways to catch spam before it hits the IMail server but that's not needed (yet) 
if I can user AFTERJM.

   

  Met vriendelijke groet,
  Bonno Bloksma
  hoofd systeembeheer

   

  tio hogeschool hospitality en toerisme 

  begijnenhof 8-12 / 5611 el eindhoven
  t 040 296 28 28 / f 040 237 35 20
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  / www.tio.nl 


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[Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Randy Armbrecht
We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude Proc 
folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; once we turn 
off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .

Any known issues that would cause this?

We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Randy,

None that I am aware of.  It's processing fine on all of my servers. 
Also, version 1.x is very old (several years).  We are now on version 3.1.1.


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Randy Armbrecht wrote:
We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude 
Proc folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; 
once we turn off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .
 
Any known issues that would cause this?


We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Herb Guenther

Hi Randy;

We have seen that often, in fact what we do is swap that test in on 
nights and weekends and out during weekdays (by just renaming the 
declude conf files with a schedule).  It is a nice tool but will bog 
things down.


Herb

Randy Armbrecht wrote:
We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude 
Proc folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; 
once we turn off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .
 
Any known issues that would cause this?


We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)
 
 
 
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Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Pete McNeil




On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, 2:09:23 PM, Herb wrote:







Hi Randy;

We have seen that often, in fact what we do is swap that test in on nights and weekends and out during weekdays (by just renaming the declude conf files with a schedule). It is a nice tool but will bog things down.





I'm curious - (I don't use this but many of my customers do)

Is it possible to run Inv-URIBL only on messages that have not yet reached a hold (or other appropriate) weight?

Perhaps using weightgate?

If SNF is running ahead of it then would that have the effect of only running inv-URIBL on messages that have not already been tagged as spam by SNF?

What are the limits of conditional test triggers in the Declude environment (aside from AVAFTERJM)?

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Randy Armbrecht
I know about the old version (blame me) - just haven't found the time to do 
an upgrade to where we can monitor for an hour or so after upgrading to 
ensure the success.  Will try and move this to the forefront of our to-do 
list.


Thanks for the response!



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- Original Message - 
From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?



Randy,

None that I am aware of.  It's processing fine on all of my servers. Also, 
version 1.x is very old (several years).  We are now on version 3.1.1.


Darrell
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Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, 
Imail, mxGuard, and ORF.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, 
SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers.


Randy Armbrecht wrote:
We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude Proc 
folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; once we 
turn off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .

 Any known issues that would cause this?

We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)
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Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Randy Armbrecht
Peter,

Thanks for the response.  Darrell had pointed us to WeightGate about a year ago 
- that helped clean up a few CPU issues we were having at that time.



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  - Original Message - 
  From: Pete McNeil 
  To: Herb Guenther 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:31 PM
  Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?


  On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, 2:09:23 PM, Herb wrote:





   Hi Randy;




We have seen that often, in fact what we do is swap that test in on 
nights and weekends and out during weekdays (by just renaming the declude conf 
files with a schedule).  It is a nice tool but will bog things down.
   




  I'm curious - (I don't use this but many of my customers do)




  Is it possible to run Inv-URIBL only on messages that have not yet reached a 
hold (or other appropriate) weight?




  Perhaps using weightgate?




  If SNF is running ahead of it then would that have the effect of only running 
inv-URIBL on messages that have not already been tagged as spam by SNF?




  What are the limits of conditional test triggers in the Declude environment 
(aside from AVAFTERJM)?




  _M


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Randy Armbrecht
That's the first thing I checked - all is well there



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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Bilbee 
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:26 PM
  Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?


  Check the DNS server InvURIBL is using to see if it is responding in a timely 
manner to all the queries your config is using. There may be a DNS time out 
issue.

   

   

  Kevin Bilbee

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Armbrecht
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:40 AM
  To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

   

  We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude Proc 
folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; once we turn 
off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .

   

  Any known issues that would cause this?


  We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)

   

   

   

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Ncl Admin


I had that happen after a Microsoft .net update, fixed it by going to the
current version.




At 02:27 PM 2/6/2008 -0500, you wrote:

I know about the old version (blame me) - just haven't found the time to do 
an upgrade to where we can monitor for an hour or so after upgrading to 
ensure the success.  Will try and move this to the forefront of our to-do 
list.

Thanks for the response!



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From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?


 Randy,

 None that I am aware of.  It's processing fine on all of my servers. Also, 
 version 1.x is very old (several years).  We are now on version 3.1.1.

 Darrell
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 Imail, mxGuard, and ORF.  IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, 
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 Randy Armbrecht wrote:
 We're seeing a backup today on mulitple occasions now in the Declude Proc 
 folder.  Proc folder has grown to as many as 6000+ items in it; once we 
 turn off our Inv-URIBL filter, messages start processing again.  .
  Any known issues that would cause this?

 We're still running an older version of Inv-URIBL (1.1x I believe)
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
In addition to what Pete suggests with Weightgate (which I also use on 
some servers with older hardware).  You will want to set inside your 
invuribl.exe.config file values for max and min skipweights to skip any 
unnecessary processing of messages.


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Pete McNeil wrote:

On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, 2:09:23 PM, Herb wrote:








Hi Randy;


We have seen that often, in fact what we do is swap that test in on 
nights and weekends and out during weekdays (by just renaming the 
declude conf files with a schedule).  It is a nice tool but will bog 
things down.



I'm curious - (I don't use this but many of my customers do)


Is it possible to run Inv-URIBL only on messages that have not yet 
reached a hold (or other appropriate) weight?



Perhaps using weightgate?


If SNF is running ahead of it then would that have the effect of only 
running inv-URIBL on messages that have not already been tagged as spam 
by SNF?



What are the limits of conditional test triggers in the Declude 
environment (aside from AVAFTERJM)?



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?

2008-02-06 Thread Randy Armbrecht
Currently we have our inv-URIBL config set to only scan if a message is 
still below a certain weight when it reaches INV.


I'll go thru thru config again just to see if there's anything I may have 
missed in that last time.




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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Any Known issues Inv-URIBL today?


In addition to what Pete suggests with Weightgate (which I also use on 
some servers with older hardware).  You will want to set inside your 
invuribl.exe.config file values for max and min skipweights to skip any 
unnecessary processing of messages.


Darrell
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Pete McNeil wrote:

On Wednesday, February 6, 2008, 2:09:23 PM, Herb wrote:








Hi Randy;


We have seen that often, in fact what we do is swap that test in on 
nights and weekends and out during weekdays (by just renaming the declude 
conf files with a schedule).  It is a nice tool but will bog things down.



I'm curious - (I don't use this but many of my customers do)


Is it possible to run Inv-URIBL only on messages that have not yet 
reached a hold (or other appropriate) weight?



Perhaps using weightgate?


If SNF is running ahead of it then would that have the effect of only 
running inv-URIBL on messages that have not already been tagged as spam 
by SNF?



What are the limits of conditional test triggers in the Declude 
environment (aside from AVAFTERJM)?



_M


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