[gentoo-user] mktemp dependency problems
Hello, recently sys-apps/mktemp is blocking coreutils even in x86. mktemp is needed by baselayout, debianutils and a2ps. As a2ps is optional and newer baselayout (~x86) version no longer require mktemp, that leaves debianutils requiring mktemp, even in ~x86 versions. So, we have a problem. What am I missing here? Regards, ralf -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: mktemp dependency problems
no longer require mktemp, that leaves debianutils requiring mktemp, even in ~x86 versions. Make that 'even in x86 versions' -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Very old machine blocking/update questions
On Friday 25 April 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 26 April 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks Alan, Sorry for top posting. I noticed these very old machine have only 8GB drives in them. Looks like I'm actually going to replace the drives and then do new installs from scratch. 8G drives!! Wow, that comes from the previous millenium I still have a DEC Alpha 500 with 3 x 4GB SCSI drives standing around here. ;-) It doesn't do anything, and I should have thrown it way long ago. But at one point in the development cycle of KDE 1, it was the fastest box within the KDE community. Somehow I can't bring myself to dump it. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] mktemp dependency problems
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Ralf Stephan wrote: Hello, recently sys-apps/mktemp is blocking coreutils even in x86. mktemp is needed by baselayout, debianutils and a2ps. As a2ps is optional and newer baselayout (~x86) version no longer require mktemp, that leaves debianutils requiring mktemp, even in ~x86 versions. Mktemp is now part of coreutils. Unmerge mktemp, emerge coreutils, and you are set. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: There is no way that I know of to know before running emerge --sync what has been removed from the servers and hence would be removed from my machine. Why do Gentoo devs think they should remove anything from my machine. It's my machine, not theirs. The problem was caused by such a long delay between syncs. A profile is deprecated a long time before it is removed, during that period you would have received warnings about this and advised to switch to a currently supported profile. I understand your frustration, but the standard Gentoo portage setup isn't really suited to an environment where updates are only applied every couple of years. That's not really a good way to manage an Internet connected computer anyway, how many security fixes have you missed? -- Neil Bothwick The gene pool could use a little chlorine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Very old machine blocking/update questions
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:11:41 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Yeah, it's pretty insane. We were using these machines only as MythTV frontend boxes so basically they boot, start mythfrontend, spin down the drive and then talk to the backend over the network. They didn't need much space so I probably bought the smallest thing I could find 4 years ago when I first built them. I've given up on hard drives for MythTV frontends, too much noise, heat, power and space. I tried flash storage for a while but now network boot. -- Neil Bothwick All generalizations are false, including this one. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] [OT] gentoo-wiki.com
Hi, Is it only me or does someone else have problems with gentoo-wiki.com today? Here's what I get back when I try to access gentoo-wiki.com -8--- ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NFSv4 The following error was encountered: * Unable to forward this request at this time. This request could not be forwarded to the origin server or to any parent caches. The most likely cause for this error is that: * The cache administrator does not allow this cache to make direct connections to origin servers, and * All configured parent caches are currently unreachable. Your cache administrator is root. Generated Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:53:00 GMT by none (squid/3.0.STABLE1) -8--- -- Dan Johansson, http://www.dmj.nu *** This message is printed on 100% recycled electrons! *** smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
[gentoo-user] Gentoo for embedded-linux
I've recently grown interested in Linux for embedded devices, specifically, ARM computers and ARM core DSP's. I am a Gentoo-linux user and an electronics technician, and know nothing about programming operating systems. Are there any relevant projects, specifically Gentoo flavored once for embedded computing? I did come across commercial embedded oriented distrobutions such as MonteVista Linux and such. I am a hobbyist, I can't afford a hundreds of dollars development kits, and I would like to use tools that I already somehow familiar with, such tools as Gentoo's. But are they? can anyone point me to someone, somewhere, beneath web-sphere?
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] gentoo-wiki.com
Dan Johansson wrote: Hi, Is it only me or does someone else have problems with gentoo-wiki.com today? No, it is not only you. -- Jonas Pedersen - jonas - at - chown.dk / http://chown.dk Online picture gallery at http://pictureshow.dk -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Qmail and Spamassassin won't integrate
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 05:13:21PM -0600, darren kirby wrote:
quoth the Tim Garton:
Hi Tim,
I run spamassassin with exim, so can't offer all that much help, but
as for attempt 1 you may try running:
spamc -R {some file containing full source of a sample email}
to make sure spamassassin is running correctly. It should spit back a
score and a possibly a list of tests failed, depending on how
spamassassin is configured. if you don't get this, or get a score
like 0/0, something is wrong with your spamassassin setup.
Thanks for this. 'spamc -R testmail' was failing (hanging forever)
while 'spamassassin testmail' was working fine. This led me to run the
spamc command within strace, which showed the command blocked during
a 'connect' call to 127.0.0.7. Would you believe it was a firewall issue? I
forgot to allow conections to localhost in my iptables script.
Also, you don't want the -P option anymore, it is deprecated and is
the default behaviour of spamassassin now. And you definitely don't
want it with spamc, since it is an invalid option. And yes, you do
want to use spamc over spamassassin for performance reasons.
Thanks for the explanation.
After confirming spamc now works I played around some more. It seems my
~/.qmail file was overriding the system-wide spam check in 'defaultdelivery'.
I changed ~/.qmail from:
|/var/qmail/bin/preline -f /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver
to:
|spamc |/var/qmail/bin/preline -f /usr/libexec/dovecot/deliver
...and everything seems to be cherry now. All incoming mail now has X-Spam
headers added.
qmail-scanner (mail-filter/qmail-scanner) can take care of that too, as
well as running the email through clamav (assuming you have that
installed).
--
Sean
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for embedded-linux
Yoav Luft wrote: I've recently grown interested in Linux for embedded devices, specifically, ARM computers and ARM core DSP's. I am a Gentoo-linux user and an electronics technician, and know nothing about programming operating systems. Are there any relevant projects, specifically Gentoo flavored once for embedded computing? I did come across commercial embedded oriented distrobutions such as MonteVista Linux and such. I am a hobbyist, I can't afford a hundreds of dollars development kits, and I would like to use tools that I already somehow familiar with, such tools as Gentoo's. But are they? can anyone point me to someone, somewhere, beneath web-sphere? You mean something like this?: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml ;) Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Saturday 26 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is turning into a big time sink that I don't really have so I'll probably just use cygwin stuff to get some unix tools onto vista. But first, are you running gentoo in a vmware on vista? I was just starting to think you might be friend material. Then you go and mention me and Vista in a positive sense in the same sentence. I shall now have to send some of the lads around to your place with baseball bats. Ok, but you should know that when my great granddad migrated from Sicily he changed his name from Putnamino to Putnam. Yeah, thats right ... think Harry the Bull. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo for embedded-linux
* Neil Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You mean something like this?: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml AFAIK, portage is far from being suitable for real embedded development. It's lacking essential things like sysroot. Also dozens of ebuilds will hazardouzly fail due bad assumptions like always doing non-foreing installs, building machine can run built code, etc, etc. Didn't check the crossdev tool yet, but for creating cross-toolchains I'really recommend crosstool/crosstool-ng. If you like to have some portage-alike builder tool which is designed for crosscompiling, let me know :) cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Doubt about FLAG use
* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Etaoin Shrdlu ha scritto: On Thursday 24 April 2008, 18:54, KH wrote: USE=-ipv6 -ftp emerge -av mplayer To the OP: this is exactly the kind of thing that should be avoided. Yes, but also tell the OP that the correct thing is to edit /etc/portage/package.use appropriately... BTW: is there an way for passing an temporary package.use filename to portage (for trying out certain configs) ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox crash when playing flash
* Gustavo Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I figure out that the mpd didn't work either when the firefox was suspending there, is it possible they cann't work together. Well that points to the road I was trying to take: sound problem. At my site, adobe-flash also causes bad hangups in Seamonky (reproducible on serveral distros). But it's not an audio problem (the typical /dev/dsp blocking) - instead an loop inside the player, which prevents control from getting back to the browser. This is one of the many points showing that the Mozilla plugin API is totally crap. Those external apps clearly belong into an separate and sandboxed process which shoudln't have the chance to disturb anyone else. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Circular dependencies when USE=gnome and emerging world
* Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, When I do emerge -DuvatN world, I get an error to the effect, that there are circular dependencies. Please see below. you might try to build the leafs of the tree step by step and report back which of the packages are actually broken. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 25 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I'm thinking it probably won't do any real good to monkey around with the kernel either, if the initramfs thing isn't the problem them it seems likely to be a vista problem. The kernel is exactly where you should be monkeying. I reckon you have a driver you need compiled in and it's a module because of the make allconfig. My goal here was to get unix/linux onto a vmware running on a vista laptop. I decided to try an Ubantu install after several failures with gentoo. Ubantu installed and fired right up... I guess I'll have to get used to Ubantu now, at least on this vista vmware guest. I wanted text console but that appears somewhat complicated to achieve in an Ubantu install... probably some way to do it but I'm just going to go with defaults and use the tools I need from a commandline. I'll be visting the ubantu lists some... I suppose. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Very old machine blocking/update questions
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:11:41 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Yeah, it's pretty insane. We were using these machines only as MythTV frontend boxes so basically they boot, start mythfrontend, spin down the drive and then talk to the backend over the network. They didn't need much space so I probably bought the smallest thing I could find 4 years ago when I first built them. I've given up on hard drives for MythTV frontends, too much noise, heat, power and space. I tried flash storage for a while but now network boot. -- Neil Bothwick On these Pundit-R machines I tried to get network booting working but never did. Actually that whole idea still eludes me. I did spin the drives down to reduce noise as these old 8GB drives are actually *very* noisy and it's a really ugly high-pitched whine. The worst part of noise from these little boxes now turns out to be the processor fan and since it's a non-standard form factor I haven't found a quiet fan to do a replacement. - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
Hi All, I have a rather large .mov file which I want to split into two separate files. What options are available to me? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:38 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: There is no way that I know of to know before running emerge --sync what has been removed from the servers and hence would be removed from my machine. Why do Gentoo devs think they should remove anything from my machine. It's my machine, not theirs. The problem was caused by such a long delay between syncs. A profile is deprecated a long time before it is removed, during that period you would have received warnings about this and advised to switch to a currently supported profile. I understand your frustration, but the standard Gentoo portage setup isn't really suited to an environment where updates are only applied every couple of years. That's not really a good way to manage an Internet connected computer anyway, how many security fixes have you missed? -- Neil Bothwick I completely understand that part, and actually I have absolutely NO problem with any of that. Actually I support it. I get that the maintainers of portage don't want to support everything, etc., so they remove things form portage. No big deal. And clearly your use of the word 'standard' in front of 'portage setup' is key here. It's just the way it works, and I completely understand that. Where I get frustrated/ticked off/mad is when some independent developer, or group of developers, simply decides to remove code on **MY** machine and force me to make updates without giving me *ANY** opportunity to make a choice. All I did was type emerge --sync and stuff gets deleted and the machine doesn't function until I fix links and rebuild stuff. I'm *forced* to make changes when my purpose in running emerge --sync was nothing more than to *discover* what had been updated. (Obviously a LOT in this case!) I get that the leading-edge developer/gamer mentality cannot get their heads around having machines run for long, long periods of time - years - but these machines do. My parents were running Myth-0.18 or something very old. it worked for them so why change it? These machines only work with an ATI drivers no longer in portage which forces me to use a kernel no longer in portage. I'm fine with the overlay concept and I've saved my kernel and ATI driver. What I argue would be an improvement is that instead of deleting this stuff that instead it automatically move whatever ebuilds it wants to delete to my 'obsolete' portage overlay. Nothing is lost. I go one working and deciding what to change and when to change it. Portage developers can then decide to obsolete anything they want at any time they want and I don't end up with a dead machine. (Dead is strong - used only to make a point - it's 'dead' to me.) Anyway, thanks for letting me vent. I know this isn't going to happen as I've been making this point for years now. I don't understand the resistance but such are the mysteries of the Open Source world! ;-) Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
I assume you want each piece of this file to be play-able? If you don't care about that, just use split to chop them up into your desired size and then use cat to reassemble them at the destination. *$ split –bytes=1m /path/to/large/file /path/to/output/file/prefix* 'man split' will also contain this information. -Hal Mick wrote: Hi All, I have a rather large .mov file which I want to split into two separate files. What options are available to me? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Grub heartbreaker
On Saturday 26 April 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was just starting to think you might be friend material. Then you go and mention me and Vista in a positive sense in the same sentence. I shall now have to send some of the lads around to your place with baseball bats. Ok, but you should know that when my great granddad migrated from Sicily he changed his name from Putnamino to Putnam. Yeah, thats right ... think Harry the Bull. Pah, Harry! I've got Larry the Cow on my side :-) Speaking of Larry, it's been a while since I saw him used. Has this logo fallen out of fashion in Gentoo-land? -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
(Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] chkrootkit release 0.48
http://www.chkrootkit.org/#new -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Hal Martin wrote: I assume you want each piece of this file to be play-able? If you don't care about that, just use split to chop them up into your desired size and then use cat to reassemble them at the destination. *$ split –bytes=1m /path/to/large/file /path/to/output/file/prefix* 'man split' will also contain this information. Thanks! I didn't know about split. I am afraid that the split files have to be playable. I intend to upload them on a server for a MSWindows user to download and play. It has to be point click skill level at the receiving end. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:22:51 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Where I get frustrated/ticked off/mad is when some independent developer, or group of developers, simply decides to remove code on **MY** machine and force me to make updates without giving me *ANY** opportunity to make a choice. But they do, as long as you don't leave an unreasonably long time between syncs. emerge --sync warns you when your profile has been deprecated. Your problem is that the delay between syncs was such that you skipped the whole warning period, which should be a LONG time. I get that the leading-edge developer/gamer mentality cannot get their heads around having machines run for long, long periods of time - years - but these machines do. Running a machine for a long time is fine, running it without checking for security updates is not. What's wrong with a weekly cron job that runs emerge --sync and glsa-check and emails you the results? cron? I thought after all this time you knew who you're talking to Neil? The security issue is valid, no matter what distribution. I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. As I say, I can get around the problem by simply copying absolutely everything somewhere else to protect it. It just seems to me that's not as slick as Gentoo really is. (And I think you know I LOVE this distribution and have no desire to run anything else. My comments are made ONLY in the hope that one day some developer will see the value and look into some sort of change that would help with this. It's happened to me with profiles, kernels, device drivers, lots of stuff. It doesn't need to be an issue, or so I feel.) Anyway, enough of this. thanks! - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
Mark Knecht wrote: I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. What the heck are you talking about? emerge --sync doesn't delete ANY files from your system. Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Neil Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. What the heck are you talking about? emerge --sync doesn't delete ANY files from your system. This whole thread, from my original subject line on, has been saying that emerge --sync removes profiles. Does it or not? On this specific machine following emerge --sync the link /etc/make.profile was pointing at nothing. I originally asked if it was removed by emerge --sync or whether it had just gotten messed up. Everyone seemed to reply that emerge --sync removes profiles which seems to be in conflict with your last comment. As for my earlier losing kernels and ATI drivers, that could have easily been something like I cleaned out distfiles since these machines don't have much disk space and then since they were removed from the servers I couldn't get it any more. If it happened that way then that's a problem on my end, not portage. - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. Mark, This might be worth discussing. I know you said enough of this later on but enough users run into conceptually similar issues to make it worth while. Examples: someone needs a specific kernel version for some hardware and it goes away from portage or weird video cards where only ATIs magic from 2005 actually works. First, let's look at the real source of the problem: using rsync to download the tree. To know what will change or what's new portage needs a new tree, and there is no summary for that. It really needs two trees to run a diff against and it has to be done locally - the rsync server is clueless about what you currently have. So basically to tell you what will change, portage has to have a new tree which nukes the old stuff... One could write a dual-portage thingy that replicates what you have then does emerge --sync, and also has an --undo fetaure for just in case. Ughh. One must take account of the portage db, the metacache and other bits as well. So how about something that creates overlays for you? As a wrapper to emerge? It could have options to convert various bits of the current system to private overlays, and generate a decent cache to speed things up (the current state of affairs will not cache a local overlay by default so it's really slow). I'm thinking of these things: - Install every currently installed ebuild to an overlay, or install specific ebuilds or specific categories to an overlay. - Copy an installed ebuild and it's entire installed DEPEND tree to an overlay - this is for cases where arb_lib is not in world but is required as a deep dependency of something that is. The user will probably not be aware of this dependency and not having that ebuild will break stuff. - Copy an entire profile to an overlay - Copy everything in an installed ebuild's SRC_URI (or all installed ebuilds) to a different DISTDIR for safety (think ATI driver downloads or kernels here) - Remove old ebuilds and profiles from the overlay that you have since upgraded - Possibly more Such a script would do the backup you wished you had done for your folks, but only the bits you had installed (not everything), then run emerge. You get a good compromise between you needing old stuff to be around and the dev's perfectly reasonable desire to not have to support old stuff not in common use. It could be implemented one of these ways: - a new feature to portage - highly unlikely considering the fear and dread that comes with modifying portage in it's current state - a new feature to paludis - this might be possible as I believe paludis' code design is quite sane - a wrapper around emerge (easiest and most likely to benefit the largest numbers if interested users) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Saturday 26 April 2008, Neil Walker wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. What the heck are you talking about? emerge --sync doesn't delete ANY files from your system. Oh yes it does. It uses rsync to replicate the portage tree on the server with the copy of the tree on the local box, and uses one of the --delete options to do it. It removes old ebuilds, old profiles, Changelogs and updates the portage metadata directory. So far from doesn;t delete ANY files, it actually deletes a shit load of files and the longer the gap between syncs the bigger that shit load is. What it won't so is modify *software* installed. You need 'emerge package' or 'emerge world' for that. Perhaps that's what you are referring to, but that is not what Mark is complaining about. He's complaining that an old system used profile X and a sync removed that from the tree leaving him with no working profile, and portage went off the deep end. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ Thanks for the info but this doesn't belong here. The proper thing to do would be to open a bug on http://bugs.gentoo.org and request a version bump. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 19:56 +0100, Mick wrote: On Saturday 26 April 2008, Hal Martin wrote: I assume you want each piece of this file to be play-able? If you don't care about that, just use split to chop them up into your desired size and then use cat to reassemble them at the destination. *$ split –bytes=1m /path/to/large/file /path/to/output/file/prefix* 'man split' will also contain this information. Thanks! I didn't know about split. I am afraid that the split files have to be playable. I intend to upload them on a server for a MSWindows user to download and play. It has to be point click skill level at the receiving end. Hmm, theoretically it should be possible without re-encoding because video files contain I-frames which are encoded without reference to previous frames every x frames. With a media player you can only seek through a video from I-frame to I-frame (I think ...). If that assumption is right, it should be a relatively easy task. Something like this might work: mencoder -vf harddup -ovc copy -oac copy -of lavf -lavfopts format=mov -ss 1:30 -endpos 3:00 -o output.mov input.mov explanation: -vf harddup - don't skip duplicate frames -ovc copy; -oac copy - don't re-encode audio and video -of lavf - use lavf for muxing -lavfopts format=mov - mux into mov-format -ss 1:30 - skip the first 1 min + 30 sec -endpos 3:00 - end input at position 3:00 min of the original film -o output.mov - write to output.mov This command should result in a file containing a total of 3:00-1:30=1:30 min of film, however, seeking might be inaccurate (searches next or previous I-frame) so both videos might overlap for maybe a second or two or you could loose that amount time therefor tweaking might be necessary. Unfortunately, I couldn't test this because I have no suitable video file at hand. If it works, tell me please, if not, post your results, maybe I can look further into it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Doubt about FLAG use
Enrico Weigelt wrote: BTW: is there an way for passing an temporary package.use filename to portage (for trying out certain configs) ? What do you mean by temporary? You could execute 'USE=tmpflag emerge cat/packagename'. But as already pointed out, this is not a good idea for future use. However, for temporary configurations this is OK. -- Ian Graeme Hilt -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On 26 Apr 2008, at 19:57, Mark Knecht wrote: ... I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. As I say, I can get around the problem by simply copying absolutely everything somewhere else to protect it. It just seems to me that's not as slick as Gentoo really is. (And I think you know I LOVE this distribution and have no desire to run anything else ... To be completely fair, one has to compare this with the situation in which one digs out of the storeroom an old PC on which a binary distro has been installed. I have read Ubuntu users complaining that the easiest thing to do is backup /home and appropriate /etc files and then reinstall from scratch. I would say that you can probably get a better result with Gentoo, if you do backup /usr/portage as you suggest. The chances are that your old machine is not using the latest profile in its Portage tree - if you can update to that, and then this is shown as depreciated (but still existent) in the current tree then I think you maybe have a fighting chance. I guess what would be ideal for you is if a frozen snapshot of the Portage tree was archived every 6 months or so. You could probably then update sanely from snapshot to the next. But I think you're probably a corner case in wishing this, and I think it'd be rejected, were it requested of the Gentoo developers. The good news, of course, is that _anyone_ can make their own Portage snapshot tarballs as frequently as they like, automating it with cron. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
quoth the Mark Knecht: I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. Whether you have bought it or not, it is what you have taken home by using Gentoo. This would not be an issue for you without such time between syncs, plain and simple. I don't think expecting users to sync at least once a year is too much to ask for a dynamic distro such as this one. What is the alternative? Have the portage tree grow forever, keeping old ebuilds and profiles that 99 percent of users don't need? Portage would likely be 10GB+ by now if it was never pruned. Seperate it into 'emerge --sync' and 'emerge --profile'? Sounds like more work for that 99% of users Also, it is not as if all these ebuilds have disappeared. They are all in the CVS 'attic'. Perhaps the profiles are there too. As I say, I can get around the problem by simply copying absolutely everything somewhere else to protect it. It just seems to me that's not as slick as Gentoo really is. (And I think you know I LOVE this distribution and have no desire to run anything else. My comments are made ONLY in the hope that one day some developer will see the value and look into some sort of change that would help with this. It's happened to me with profiles, kernels, device drivers, lots of stuff. It doesn't need to be an issue, or so I feel.) Feel free to post your suggestion to -dev, but I don't think you will find a great reception. One thing I have learned in the OSS world is that if a user needs some sort of non-standard configuration they are generally left on their own to create and maintain it. Devs cannot be expected to make everybody happy. Now: I realize this issue is obviously quite important to you, but I say it is 'non-standard' because I have never before heard anyone complain of this issue in 4+ years of using Gentoo. Everything you need to solve the problem has already been mentioned in this thread. Use an overlay, and point 'make.profile' to a profile directory that is outside of PORTDIR. Grab old ebuilds you need from the attic. Again, ask some devs if you like, but I do feel you will be left on your own with this one... Anyway, enough of this. thanks! - Mark -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
El Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:06:52 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: mencoder -vf harddup -ovc copy -oac copy -of lavf -lavfopts format=mov -ss 1:30 -endpos 3:00 -o output.mov input.mov explanation: [...] -ss 1:30 - skip the first 1 min + 30 sec -endpos 3:00 - end input at position 3:00 min of the original film -o output.mov - write to output.mov This command should result in a file containing a total of 3:00-1:30=1:30 min of film [...] i think this is not entirely correct. according to the manual, When used in conjunction with −ss option, −endpos time will shift forward by seconds specified with −ss. that means that if you want 90 seconds of film, you must use -endpos 90 or -endpos 1:30, independently from the time given in -ss. see the example from the man page: EXAMPLE: −endpos 56 Stop at 56 seconds. −endpos 01:10:00 Stop at 1 hour 10 minutes. −ss 10 −endpos 56 Stop at 1 minute 6 seconds. ^^ best, lj -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:56:42 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: This whole thread, from my original subject line on, has been saying that emerge --sync removes profiles. Does it or not? It does, because emerge --sync synchronises your portage tree with the current one on the servers. But nothing really disappears altogether, because of the CVS attic. If you really want your 1991 profile back, you can download a copy and put it somewhere safe :) -- Neil Bothwick Criminal Lawyer is a redundancy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:00:30 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: One could write a dual-portage thingy that replicates what you have then does emerge --sync, and also has an --undo fetaure for just in case. Wouldn't rsync's --backup and --backup-dir options be sufficient for the rare cases when tree changes cause problems? Add them to PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in make.conf. -- Neil Bothwick i *DId* rEaD tHE DoCS; ThaT'S WHy I'm conFuSeD! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Splitting .mov files
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 18:43 -0300, luis jure wrote: El Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:06:52 +0200 Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: mencoder -vf harddup -ovc copy -oac copy -of lavf -lavfopts format=mov -ss 1:30 -endpos 3:00 -o output.mov input.mov explanation: [...] -ss 1:30 - skip the first 1 min + 30 sec -endpos 3:00 - end input at position 3:00 min of the original film -o output.mov - write to output.mov This command should result in a file containing a total of 3:00-1:30=1:30 min of film [...] i think this is not entirely correct. according to the manual, When used in conjunction with −ss option, −endpos time will shift forward by seconds specified with −ss. that means that if you want 90 seconds of film, you must use -endpos 90 or -endpos 1:30, independently from the time given in -ss. see the example from the man page: EXAMPLE: −endpos 56 Stop at 56 seconds. −endpos 01:10:00 Stop at 1 hour 10 minutes. −ss 10 −endpos 56 Stop at 1 minute 6 seconds. ^^ best, lj Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately, my method doesn't work anyway (I've found a file on which I could test it).The video gets some really ugly artifacts and seems to be damaged. Of course, your millage might vary if you use another encoding than me. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
(Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ Thanks for the info but this doesn't belong here. The proper thing to do would be to open a bug on http://bugs.gentoo.org and request a version bump. Like this one: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194832 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
Florian Philipp wrote: On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ Thanks for the info but this doesn't belong here. The proper thing to do would be to open a bug on http://bugs.gentoo.org and request a version bump. Thanks for replying I've tried bugs (under admin, iirc), and always get notes telling me that my version info. post doesn't belong there, and deleting my submission. If there is a category for version bumps, I haven't figure it out. I wasn't going to say anything (I love Gentoo and don't want to be a complainer), but rtkthunter and chkrootkit are arguably important packages for newbies like me. (fwiw, I imagine that others, like me, have a few packages - especially those linked to online activity, or security issues (e.g. maradns, runit, rtkthunter, chkrootkit, vidalia, etc.) that are simply maintained from source, hoping that portage someday catch up :-( ) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
Hi Alan, Thanks for the reply. Also, up front, I'm thinking that my tone is somehow being misinterpreted. I'm not at all high energy about this. I'm worried now it's not coming across the way I'm feeling about this. Low key. Low stress. Just looking to make things better in the future. Nothing more. I hope folks understand that. If not I apologize as it's hard to convey energy. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 26 April 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. Mark, This might be worth discussing. I know you said enough of this later on Really only because I don't want to drive people nuts or wear out my welcome. I'm interested in talking about it. Maybe something good will come along one day because of the conversation. but enough users run into conceptually similar issues to make it worth while. Examples: someone needs a specific kernel version for some hardware and it goes away from portage or weird video cards where only ATIs magic from 2005 actually works. First, let's look at the real source of the problem: using rsync to download the tree. To know what will change or what's new portage needs a new tree, and there is no summary for that. It really needs two trees to run a diff against and it has to be done locally - the rsync server is clueless about what you currently have. So basically to tell you what will change, portage has to have a new tree which nukes the old stuff... OK, so rsync itself is where the real magic is that exposes what I consider a weakness? Good info. One could write a dual-portage thingy that replicates what you have then does emerge --sync, and also has an --undo fetaure for just in case. Ughh. One must take account of the portage db, the metacache and other bits as well. So how about something that creates overlays for you? As a wrapper to emerge? This is, I think, exactly what I've been suggesting, assuming portage or the wrapper can get in between rsync and my personal data. I consider my copy of portage data 'personal data' but then again I have to take responsibility for using a program that erases my data. Any alternatives to rsync? ;-) (Really, just kidding!) It could have options to convert various bits of the current system to private overlays, and generate a decent cache to speed things up (the current state of affairs will not cache a local overlay by default so it's really slow). I'm thinking of these things: - Install every currently installed ebuild to an overlay, or install specific ebuilds or specific categories to an overlay. - Copy an installed ebuild and it's entire installed DEPEND tree to an overlay - this is for cases where arb_lib is not in world but is required as a deep dependency of something that is. The user will probably not be aware of this dependency and not having that ebuild will break stuff. - Copy an entire profile to an overlay - Copy everything in an installed ebuild's SRC_URI (or all installed ebuilds) to a different DISTDIR for safety (think ATI driver downloads or kernels here) - Remove old ebuilds and profiles from the overlay that you have since upgraded - Possibly more Yeah, sounds like lots of work, and in my mind probably not worth the effort. I'm thinking of something as conceptually simple (if possible) as emerge --sync-test which instead of actually syncing would just tell me what is going to be added and/or removed from my copy of the portage tree. I could then look look for any overlaps between that data and the output of eix -Ic and move them to my overlay by hand. Maybe the script you are speaking of could look for the overlaps, etc. using eix -Ic itself? Just an idea. Again, the ONLY things I would be interested in saving are things I currently have installed. If it's not installed then it's of no immediate interest to me. Such a script would do the backup you wished you had done for your folks, but only the bits you had installed (not everything), then run emerge. You get a good compromise between you needing old stuff to be around and the dev's perfectly reasonable desire to not have to support old stuff not in common use. It could be implemented one of these ways: - a new feature to portage - highly unlikely considering the fear and dread that comes with modifying portage in it's current state - a new feature to paludis - this might be possible as I believe paludis' code design is quite sane - a wrapper around emerge (easiest and most likely to benefit the largest numbers if interested users) It sounds
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 26 Apr 2008, at 19:57, Mark Knecht wrote: ... I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. As I say, I can get around the problem by simply copying absolutely everything somewhere else to protect it. It just seems to me that's not as slick as Gentoo really is. (And I think you know I LOVE this distribution and have no desire to run anything else ... To be completely fair, one has to compare this with the situation in which one digs out of the storeroom an old PC on which a binary distro has been installed. I have read Ubuntu users complaining that the easiest thing to do is backup /home and appropriate /etc files and then reinstall from scratch. Ans it's actually what I ended up doing. When I considered that emerge was going to rebuild everything anyway it seemed that for an hour's work going through the quick install guide I might get lucky and only have to rebuild a few packages from the 2008 beta CD so I went that way. Fdisk'ed the drive, did a new install, set off emerge -DuN system and walked away. However if I had Alan's wrapper maybe I would have saved the hour's work. Don't know. Thanks! - Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 18:46 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Florian Philipp wrote: On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ Thanks for the info but this doesn't belong here. The proper thing to do would be to open a bug on http://bugs.gentoo.org and request a version bump. Thanks for replying I've tried bugs (under admin, iirc), and always get notes telling me that my version info. post doesn't belong there, and deleting my submission. If there is a category for version bumps, I haven't figure it out. As I understand it, Admin is meant for administrative purposes of the Gentoo-project as a whole. I'd post it in Gentoo Linux. Most of the time, Gentoo Linux is the right place for version bumps. Since this is also security-related, you could argue for Gentoo Security but this is meant for Security holes and stuff like that. Of course, it would have been better if the bug wrangler had moved your bug to the right place or at least told you where to file it. If you think you've been treated wrong, feel free to file a bug in User Relations but I'd rather not. Jakub and the other bug wrangler might seem rude from time to time but they are doing quiet a hard job very well when trying to keep pace with the input of bugs. That's why I wouldn't take such things personally. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Very old machine blocking/update questions
The machine I'm typing this on has 2 of these (Barracuda 7200.7's)- they are absolutely silent...so that machine's one might be ready to throw its bearings! Cheers Mark Alan McKinnon wrote: Today I worked on a machine with a 40G 7200rpm Barracuda (the office sounded like it had a Boeing in it taking off!) and I thought they were old. Now it looks like a young spring chicken in comparison... -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
Florian Philipp wrote: On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 18:46 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Florian Philipp wrote: On Sat, 2008-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: (Portage is a little dated at 1.2.9) http://sourceforge.net/projects/rkhunter/ Thanks for the info but this doesn't belong here. The proper thing to do would be to open a bug on http://bugs.gentoo.org and request a version bump. Thanks for replying I've tried bugs (under admin, iirc), and always get notes telling me that my version info. post doesn't belong there, and deleting my submission. If there is a category for version bumps, I haven't figure it out. As I understand it, Admin is meant for administrative purposes of the Gentoo-project as a whole. I'd post it in Gentoo Linux. Most of the time, Gentoo Linux is the right place for version bumps. Since this is also security-related, you could argue for Gentoo Security but this is meant for Security holes and stuff like that. Of course, it would have been better if the bug wrangler had moved your bug to the right place or at least told you where to file it. If you think you've been treated wrong, feel free to file a bug in User Relations but I'd rather not. Jakub and the other bug wrangler might seem rude from time to time but they are doing quiet a hard job very well when trying to keep pace with the input of bugs. That's why I wouldn't take such things personally. Nope. I'm sure they're busy, and took the message at face value. 'Twould be nice if someone added a little note to the categories indicating that Gentoo Linux is the place to put version bumps; it might get more of us newbies involved and owning part of the effort. I'll post some version-bump notices that I've been holding back on, and see if they take. (If they don't, I'll come back here and ping you :-) ) Thanks. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Rootkit Hunter release 1.3.2
quoth the 7v5w7go9ub0o: Nope. I'm sure they're busy, and took the message at face value. 'Twould be nice if someone added a little note to the categories indicating that Gentoo Linux is the place to put version bumps; it might get more of us newbies involved and owning part of the effort. They did, its the 'Gentoo Bug Reporting Guide': http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bugzilla-howto.xml Also, I'm fairly sure that next to 'Gentoo Linux' (In bugzilla) it says 'If you are not sure where to put it, put it here...' or somesuch. I'll post some version-bump notices that I've been holding back on, and see if they take. (If they don't, I'll come back here and ping you :-) ) Thanks. -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972 -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 26 April 2008, Mark Knecht wrote: I don't buy that it's my issue created by a long time between updates. I could turn on any machine that's sitting in a junk heap or back room somewhere. It hasn't been powered up in a long time. I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. Mark, This might be worth discussing. Alan, This evening I found eix-test-obsolete. It looks to me like while it probably doesn't do all of what we've been discussing it might possibly be helpful. While it doesn't look like it fixes the problems I've been seeing it does identify some interesting inconsistencies on my desktop machine. SNIP Installed packages with a version not in the database (or masked): [D] media-tv/mythtv ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/05/2008 - 0.20.2_p15634): Homebrew PVR project [D] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources (2.6.23-r3(2.6.23-r3)@01/16/2008 2.6.23-r6(2.6.23-r6)@01/25/2008 2.6.23-r8(2.6.23-r8)@02/20/2008 2.6.24-r3(2.6.24-r3)@03/18/2008 2.6.24-r4(2.6.24-r4)@04/11/2008 - 2.6.16-r13 2.6.19-r5 2.6.23-r9 2.6.24-r3 2.6.24-r4): Full sources including the Gentoo patchset for the 2.6 kernel tree [D] x11-themes/mythtv-themes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/05/2008 - 0.20.2_p14301): A collection of themes for the MythTV project. [1] /usr/local/portage SNIP Still, if rsync is going to throw things away while making my machine identical to the server then I'm not going to be in great shape. Anyway, interesting tool if you haven't seen it. (I'm sure you have...) Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] No mail from list
I haven't received any mail from the gentoo-user mailing list for 4 days now. Anyone else having problems with the list? -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Would emerge --sync remove old profiles?
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 26 April 2008, Neil Walker wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: I log in and want to figure out what's in front of me with respect to updates. I type emerge sync and portage deletes files. to me that's just wrong. What the heck are you talking about? emerge --sync doesn't delete ANY files from your system. Oh yes it does. Oh no it doesn't. :P The portage tree is not required to even be present. Nothing will stop working without it (other than portage itself - and emerge --sync will fix that). The OP made it sound like running emerge --sync had trashed his system by removing key system files. That is not the case. ;) Be lucky, Neil -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
