[Marxism] Fwd: Special Collection: Salafism, Wahhabism, and the War on Terror

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Indeed, it is almost impossible to find analyses on “Islamic extremism” 
today that do not inelegantly cite “Wahhabi-Salafism” as the real threat 
to world peace—occasionally to justify ongoing wars in Muslim-majority 
countries. Yet, very few seem placed to properly define Salafism and 
Wahhabism, or explain their origins and evolution. Popular analyses of 
Salafism and Wahhabism are exceedingly simplistic, dehumanizing, and 
even conspiratorial in nature. Often, they build on the idea these 
movements exist and spread simply because of Saudi Arabia’s “oil money.” 
Even those who allegedly champion Muslim rights and oppose the “War on 
Terror” heedlessly indulge these narratives, and insist these so-called 
deranged and cancerous movements be combatted.


To confront these tropes and provide a more nuanced analysis of Salafism 
and Wahhabism, Muftah has put together this collection of six articles 
from Muslim scholars, students, and activists. The pieces in this 
collection variously contextualize and define Salafism and Wahhabism, 
explain the appeal of these movements to Muslims, debate their reformist 
features, explore why they have been blamed for the problem of 
extremism, identify the place they have assumed in the “War on Terror,” 
and address their relationship to intellectual figures like Ibn 
Taymiyyah and Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, among others.


full: 
https://muftah.org/special-collection-salafism-wahhabism-and-the-war-on-terror/

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[Marxism] Hemingway was a monster

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BOOKFORUM JUNE/JULY/AUG 2017

Appetite for Destruction
Ernest Hemingway’s death trip

by JOY WILLIAMS

The unusually striking photograph on the cover of Mary V. Dearborn’s new 
biography Ernest Hemingway shows the writer in his prime in 1933 sitting 
on the cushioned stern of a boat, possibly his thirty-eight-foot cabin 
cruiser the Pilar, and aiming a pistol at the camera. He always carried 
guns on board to shoot sharks or, when bored or annoyed, seabirds and 
turtles. He was thirty-four when this photo was taken and he had 
recently discovered Key West and the fabulous Gulf Stream with its 
gigantic marlin, sailfish, and tarpon. He fished and fished and fished, 
insatiable. There were the heroic fighting fish, the trophy fish—some of 
which he used as punching bags after they were strung up on the dock—but 
all provided pleasure. When a colorful school of dorado appeared on the 
surface around the Pilar, Hemingway and his party landed eighteen of 
them in five minutes. They’d be used as fertilizer for his wife’s flower 
beds. He referred to this time, the decade of the ’30s, as his “belle 
epoque,” for there was not only the happy scouring of the Gulf Stream, 
but also the hunting in Wyoming for elk and antelope (for lighter fare 
he shot prairie dogs from a moving car) and the safari in Africa, where 
lions, leopards, cheetahs, and oryx could be collected, though it 
rankled him when others killed bigger animals than he did, or those with 
darker manes, bigger racks, or, in the case of rhinos, larger horns.


“I like to shoot a rifle and I like to kill and Africa is where you do 
that,” he said.


But killing could be fun anywhere. In Sun Valley, Idaho, he and two of 
his young sons, Gregory and Patrick, visiting from school, shot four 
hundred jackrabbits during one adventure. Years later, another son, 
Jack, would reminisce that “one of the most memorable moments of my 
lifelong relationship with my father” took place in Cuba on the roof of 
the Finca Vigía, Hemingway’s home there, where they drank pitchers of 
martinis and shot “great quantities of buzzards.” The highlight for 
Patrick, “the last really great, good time we all had together,” was 
“dropping hand grenades on turtles” from the deck of the Pilar during 
the bizarre sub-hunting days of the ’40s, the acts “justified by the 
need to learn how long it was between when you pulled out the pin and 
when it went off.”


It is said that Hemingway never killed an elephant—he admired their 
fidelities and social structures apparently—but his youngest son, 
Gregory, the “troubled” child, the son who after several wives and eight 
children underwent sex-reassignment surgery and died in a Florida jail 
as “Gloria” Hemingway, shot eighteen elephants in a month. It’s possible 
he shot them to annoy his father, whom he considered a “gin-soaked 
abusive monster,” but he also claimed it was just damn relaxing to kill 
elephants. The activity made him less anxious about things.


Gregory wrote a book about “Papa.” So did his half-brother Jack. So did 
Hemingway’s brother Leicester, and Hemingway’s fourth wife, Mary. In his 
younger years he was quite charismatic and people who knew him then 
remembered that and wrote about it. The bulls, the booze, the fresh air, 
the slopes, the streams and war stories. And many other books have been 
written about Hemingway—there is Carlos Baker’s chummy hagiography; 
Michael Reynolds’s deep life; Jeffrey Meyers’s woundy thesis, the one 
that bothered Raymond Carver so; Paul Hendrickson’s spirited, 
speculative boating party; James Mellow’s scholarly and overblown 
production (“He had been at the center of a cultural revolution 
unequalled in its wide-reaching effects on Western culture except by the 
Italian Renaissance . . .”); Kenneth Lynn’s psycho-hugie; Peter 
Griffin’s focus on the early, enchanted, good-looking days. Even so, 
it’s been fifteen years since we’ve had a major new study of the man. 
But now, with Dearborn’s grimly astonished book, we do.


One approaches the life of Hemingway not with excitement but with an 
anxious defensive duty. After all there are a great many writers who 
learned a great deal from his work—the early work always—the cleanness 
of the line, the freshness, the solemnity of the sentence, the 
discoveries that restraint and omission allow. Gertrude Stein said that 
he looked like a modern but smelled like a museum. I don’t smell museum. 
The word that springs to my mind is fetor. The stench of death. 
Hemingway stared death in the face again and again and was proud of it, 
but it was almost always an animal’s death, an animal’s face, a 
creature’s face, the face of a 

[Marxism] Fwd: Some recollections of Pat Brain (my Father) as background to my document on dangers of the Cold War escalating! by Anthony Brain | defendtrotskyism

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Re: [Marxism] Soviet economic model

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> 
> On 7/29/17 5:54 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:
> 
> I cite Moshe Lewin:
> 
> https://louisproyect.org/2009/09/14/joseph-stalin-nostalgia/
> 
> Stalin´s rule was marked mostly by a lack of planning. Despite the 
> announcement of 5-year plans, the economy had more in common with 
> bureaucratic fiat than scientific planning. All this is discussed in 
> chapter 5 entitled "The Disappearance of Planning in the Plan" in Moshe 
> Lewin´s  "Russia USSR Russia".
> 

The material cited by Proyect is quite useful. At the same time, it is should 
be understood that Soviet state-capitalism had *both* planning and anarchy of 
production. Clearly the state apparatus sent vast resources into industry 
through a decision, not the spontaneous operation of market forces, while the 
way the enterprises operated, and the precise allocation of various 
resources, displayed the vast anarchy of production in the Soviet economy. 
The unrealistic or even absurd nature of various features of the plan, 
discussed in the material cited by Proyect, was part of this anarchy of 
production. 

The anarchy of Soviet production was noted by all serious economic 
commentators, but they differ on its significance. I discussed the Stalinist 
anarchy of production, and how it existed alongside planning, and why it 
existed alongside planning, in the following article, which was based on 
material from a number of different careful studies of the Soviet economy:

"The anarchy of production beneath the veneer of Soviet revisionist 
planning", March 1, 1997, by Joseph Green

http://www.communistvoice.org/12cSovAnarchy.html

Earlier in this thread, Walter Daum posted a chapter from his book on 
statified capitalism. I think that his book comes the closest of any major 
Trotskyist work to a correct assessment of the Stalinist economy. For 
example, unlike Tony Cliff, Daum pays attention to the *internal* sources of 
anarchy (which he calls decentralization) in the Soviet economy, rather than 
simply blaming the anarchy on the connection of the Soviet Union to the 
surrounding capitalist world economy. But at the same Daum's attempt to put 
everything into a Trotskyist framework and defend Trotsky's statements about 
the Soviet economy involved him in a number of crying contradictions; it 
sometimes seems that Daum strongly asserts things only for the sake of 
denying them later in his book. In this sense, Daum not only discusses the 
life and death of Stalinism, but gives an illustration of the life and death 
of Trotskyist theorizing.

See my review of Daum's book:

"On Walter Daum's 'The Life and Death of Stalinism': 
Competition among Soviet enterprises and ministries, and
the collapse of the Soviet Union"
by Joseph Green, Dec. 1998

http://www.communistvoice.org/19cDaum.html 

The basic features of state-capitalism appeared not just in the Soviet 
economy, but in other state-capitalist economies as the well.This includes 
the Cuban economy. Mark Williams of the Detroit Workers' Voice has written a 
series of articles on different time periods of the Castroist economy. This 
includes:

Cuba in the 1960s: Bureaucrats head to 'communism' without the workers"
by Mark Williams, April 1998

http://www.communistvoice.org/17cCuba60s.html

and

"Did Castro steer Cuba towards socialism in the late 1980s?"
by Mark Williams, December 1996

http://www.communistvoice.org/11cCuba1980s.html

For more on Cuba, see

http://www.communistvoice.org/00Cuba.html.


---
Joseph Green
m...@communistvoice.org




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[Marxism] Fwd: Sam Shepard, Pulitzer-Winning Playwright and Actor, Is Dead at 73 - The New York Times

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[Marxism] Fwd: How to Lose Your Country - bookforum.com / current issue

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Demolishing the political myths of Erdoğan’s Turkey


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[Marxism] Fwd: This is what American fascism looks like: the Lyndon LaRouche story (part one) | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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The other day I ran into a tall African-American man in his early 30s in 
front of the Lexington Avenue subway stop on 86th Street wearing a 
sandwich board with words to the effect of “Stop the attack on Donald 
Trump”. He was passing out a one-page broadsheet titled “The 
Hamiltonian” that reeked of Larouche’s fascist cult. As I stopped to 
take one from him, I informed him that I had just read a book about his 
movement. “What was that?”, he asked. I responded, “Dennis King’s”. He 
frowned and told me that he King is crazy and sells drugs.


The lead article in the broadsheet was titled “Russia-Gate Exposed as 
Total Fraud” and could have been written by Max Blumenthal who made 
identical points on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News show. Among Trump’s 
fiercest defenders against Russia-Gate were ultrarightists like Carlson 
but also that section of the left that looked to the Kremlin for its 
talking points: Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton, Robert Parry, Stephen F. 
Cohen, Ray McGovern, et al. If you search the LarouchePAC website for 
occurrences of “Sarin gas”, you will find the same sorts of articles 
that described the Sarin gas attack on East Ghouta  as a “false flag”, 
including one dated April 7, 2014 that is headlined “Seymour Hersh 
Exposes Obama’s Red Line And Rat Line”.


Indeed, the article begins by citing the Veteran Intelligence 
Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) leader Ray McGovern, an ex-CIA agent who 
like Hersh and Theodore Postol was an “expert” that could be relied upon 
to clear Assad’s name. Ray McGovern has also been interviewed by the 
LaRouchites to prove that Russia did not interfere with the American 
elections. Maybe McGovern was in on the meetings that the LaRouchites 
used to have with CIA agents in the 80s and retains fond memories of 
these Jew-baiting, racist pigs.


full: 
https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/31/this-is-what-american-fascism-looks-like-the-lyndon-larouche-story-part-one/

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[Marxism] Fwd: Trump Removes Anthony Scaramucci From Communications Director Role - The New York Times

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[Marxism] Fwd: Closed Rooms and Class War

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Yanis Varoufakis presents himself as a heroic Prometheus in his new 
memoir, but he comes off looking more like a Narcissus.


https://jacobinmag.com/2017/07/yanis-varoufakis-syriza-greece-debt-eurozone-eu-imf
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Re: [Marxism] venezuelan election for the Constituent Assembly

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On 7/30/2017 10:00 PM, Gary MacLennan wrote:

Michael,

If you can find the time for an extended piece on the Venezuelan 
situation that would be deeply appreciated.  I was dismayed to note 
that the radical/progressive Radio Station Novara Media out of London 
is to arrange a debate on Venezuela - for and against. That to me 
means that the counter revolutionary forces in Venezuela have been 
very successful in their self presentation.

Gary,
Unfortunately, I'm not in a position these days to pursue this but 
think that recent pieces by Steve Ellner (who is there) and George 
Ciccariello-Maher (both available at the Socialist Project website) are 
quite useful (as was Claudio Katz's commentary on the Left in Vzla, 
available on Links. Certainly, the counter-revolutionary forces in the 
country and outside have been quite successful in presenting their 
narrative as the truth. Consider how the declared 7 million voters in 
the opposition-organised consultation has been accepted as truth by the 
capitalist media despite the absence of monitoring, the ability to vote 
multiple times (as recorded on video), the questionable math in terms of 
how many people could vote at the limited number of tables in the time 
period--- and the inability to verify results given the rapid 
destruction of the voting records; compare that to the dismissal of 
yesterday's announcement of over 8 million votes in the election of 
members of the Constituent Assembly-- despite the fact that this 
election took place via electronic machines (where multiple voting was 
prevented) and the official system provides a paper counterpart for each 
vote. The opposition has cried fraud for every election carried out this 
way and their narrative has been accepted unquestionably this time. The 
answers to this internally are for the Venezuelan people to provide. But 
a counter-narrative externally is for those of us who part company with 
the capitalist media to provide, and venezuelanalysis is a good place to 
start for information.

in solidarity,
  michael

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[Marxism] Fwd: Interview with Ray McGovern — There was no "Russian hack" | LaRouchePAC

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Ray McGovern gives an interview to the fascists.

https://larouchepac.com/20170729/interview-ray-mcgovern-there-was-no-russian-hack
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Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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President Trump is also a sign of the crisis in the working class.

On Jul 31, 2017 11:45 AM, "Daniel Lindvall" 
wrote:

> But isn’t it also a sign of its relative strength that it can find a 3rd,
> 5th, 10th candidate and place in office, while ”we” don’t even have a
> candidate, even in such a time of crisis, not for capitalism, but for the
> working class?
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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism <
> marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>:
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> It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
> secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
> their perfectsble (to them) second choice.
>
>
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Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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I thought just about all banks were money launderers and most successful 
capitalists willing to go to the dark side?

Isn’t this more a difference of image, with Trump cultivating this 
rebelliousness that was precisely what the class needed to get one of their 
elected this time around?

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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism 
> :
> 
> The difference is that he epitomizes a certain narrow mentality
> and lack of concern for social norms, including willingness to move over to
> the "dark side" of their own laws. I am referring to his many years
> functioning as a money laundered for the Russian mafia and probably other
> criminal elements. 

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Re: [Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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But isn’t it also a sign of its relative strength that it can find a 3rd, 5th, 
10th candidate and place in office, while ”we” don’t even have a candidate, 
even in such a time of crisis, not for capitalism, but for the working class?

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> 31 juli 2017 kl. 17:31 skrev John Reimann via Marxism 
> :
> 
> It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
> secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
> their perfectsble (to them) second choice.

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[Marxism] Re Trump is woody allen

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In the first place, the US ruling class did not pick Trump. The
overwhelming majority first supported Jeb Bush and then switched to Hillary
Clinton. It is a sign of the crisis of US capitalism that they could not
secure the nomination for candidate they wanted most or the election for
their perfectsble (to them) second choice.

In the second place, I  do agree that Trump is stupid. He is not
particularly successful. I've seen articles showing that if somebody took
the money he inherited and invested it autual find they would have made
more money. The difference is that he epitomizes a certain narrow mentality
and lack of concern for social norms, including willingness to move over to
the "dark side" of their own laws. I am referring to his many years
functioning as a money laundered for the Russian mafia and probably other
criminal elements. This has been the basis for his success, but is also the
basis for his crude, arrogant ignorance, which Noonan sees as stupidity.
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[Marxism] Political Gingervitis

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https://rimediacoop.org/podcast/political-gingervitis-episode-14-gary-chartier-plus-a-word-on-caitlin-johnstone/

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[Marxism] Revolution of Ordinary People - 1917

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For your interest: 
http://vijayprashad.org/revolution-ordinary-people-russia-1917.

Greetings, Vijay.



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[Marxism] Chavistas register highest vote since 2012 in Constituent Assembly election

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http://tinyurl.com/y8ycykz3

 

The National Constituent Assembly elected in Venezuela yesterday with the sole
support of the Chavistas registered more than 8 million votes, or 41.53% of the
electorate. This was substantially more than the 7 million votes for Nicolás
Maduro in the 2013 presidential elections and much more than the 5.5 million
votes for the Chavista coalition in the 2015 legislative elections, when the
opposition won 7.7 million votes largely thanks to the abstention of some two
million former Chavista supporters. The country’s opposition parties, currently
in control of the National Assembly, boycotted the election.

 

Among the 545 constituentes elected were First Lady Cilia Flores, the first
Vice-President of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV) Diosdado
Cabello, and the former foreign minister Delcy Rodriguez. The results were
announced by the president of the National Electoral Council (CNE) Tibisay
Lucena around midnight last night. So many Venezuelans lined up to vote that the
electoral process was extended to 10:30 p.m. 

 

The newly elected Constituent Assembly is made up of 364 members elected by
territorial constituency -- one per municipality, two per state capital and
seven per Capital District (Caracas) -- and 181 according to social or class
sector (24 students, 8 peasants and fishers, 5 business people, 5 disabled, 28
pensioners, 24 communal council representatives, 79 workers and 8 indigenous
(the latter to be elected this Tuesday in assemblies to be held in three
states).

 

The National Constituent Assembly (ANC) will begin sitting 72 hours after the
official declaration of those elected. Maduro has indicated that it will be
tasked with reforms of the economic and justice systems, reaffirmation of the
pluricultural character of the country, the “preservation of life on the planet,
“and the constitutional recognition of the all the government social and
cultural missions and the Communal Power. In popular assemblies held throughout
the country during the three months prior to yesterday’s vote some 22 sectors
and social movements (communes, workers, cultural and environmental collectives,
etc.) debated and adopted proposals for action by the ANC.

 

Maduro, in his victory speech last night, said the ANC will, among other tasks,
take action against the "parasitical bourgeoisie," largely held responsible for
the country's current economic crisis. (La Razo
 , Crore del Orinoco
 .)

 

For more on the election and the immediate tasks facing the Bolivarian Republic
of Venezuela, see

 

George Ciccariello-Maher, Which Way Out of the Venezuelan Crisis?
 

Joe Emersberger, Trump Is Not the Venezuelan Supreme Court
 

Boaventura de Sousa Santos, In Defence of Venezuela
 

 

 

 



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[Marxism] We Want the World and We Want it Now

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This is the situation similar to that described by the protagonist in Nanni
Ballestrini’s novel We Want Everything. Located primarily in a Fiat factory
in Milan, Italy, the novel is a tale of a young worker from Italy’s rural
south who is enticed into moving to Italy’s rapidly industrializing north
in 1969. Tantalized by advertising and a desire to be “modern,” the
narrator of the novel wishes to break free of the rural, dead-end life of
his parents and the generations before them. Like many of his fellows, he
implicitly understands that not only is that way of life dying; there is
also much better money to be made in the industrial cities of the north.

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[Marxism] Fwd: Notes on the Global Condition: Crisis in the Heartland - Homage to Peter Gowan – ADAM TOOZE

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Re: [Marxism] Trump Is Woody Allen Without the Humor

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The serious discussion to be had is whether Bannon can barge his way
through to a Keynesianism of the Right or whether we will have a doubling
down of neoliberalism. I don't think Bannon will succeed because there is
no Left that would frighten the American ruling class into abandoning the
dictates of the Chicago School.

Comradely

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Re: [Marxism] Trump Is Woody Allen Without the Humor

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Hi Daniel,

Weak, naive and stupid are of course all subjective criteria and you are
probably right about the analysis, but it was enjoyable.  To be honest
though I myself am inclined to think Trump is as stupid as dog shit on a
hot day. Give most of us an ultra rich parent and a few hundred sycophants
surrounding us we all might look quite smart.

But the truth is that he is representative of a very deep crisis in
American capital. I look at things from Brisbane and to be honest I cannot
believe that the arrogance of the American ruling class was such that they
would go to a buffoon with a severe narcissism disorder like Trump.  At
times I think we have not seen such arrogance since the German ruling class
went with Hitler.

comradely regards

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Re: [Marxism] Trump Is Woody Allen Without the Humor

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The common thinking on this is that Trump has had a terribly narrow
experience.  He's only run his own company and has never really had to
learn the arts of persuasion or work as part of team.  I think he does what
he thinks has worked for him in the past, but that's not the same as having
a long term strategic planning.

This is a problem of a contemporary American civil society.  There are
variations of this in both political parties . . . .and across the Left, as
well.

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Re: [Marxism] NZ elections: Labour's continuing malaise

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Me too.

But I think the NZ ruling class wants them.  They want two main parties,
with smaller coalition parties, to ensure stability.

That means National and Labour.

But Labour could continue to decline - at present they are losing support
to both the Greens and NZ First.  Winston Peters knows this is his best
shot, he's in his early 70s and is going all out for NZF.  I think he is
targeting Labour's vote in the provinces.  The fact that he personally won
Northland, which is mainly a poor regional area, and just totally thrashed
Labour (it was a National Party seat) indicates that he and his party can
beat Labour in the provinces, plus he's economically a bit to the left of
Labour.  Ironically, his bid for support in 'the regions' is probably
having the effect of toning down his anti-immigrant policies.  Small town
and provincial NZ is crying out for people; they want immigrants and they
don't care much whether the immigrants come from East Asia, Britain,
Australia, wherever (ie they don't care about their skin colour).

I think there has been a sea-change in NZ on attitudes to immigration.  The
attempt by Labour and New Zealand First to see who can be anti-immigrant
(well, in particular anti-Chinese) has not got Labour any traction - if
anything it's put people off them.  John Key used to poke the borax at
Labour as a bunch of "xenophobes" (which is true).  The National Party is
far less racist in terms of immigration than Labour (including the Labour
left).


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[Marxism] NZ elections: Labour's continuing malaise

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Less than 8 weeks out from the election, Labour continues to decline in the
polls.  Considering this is the end of National's third term, this is a
unique situation in NZ political history.

But given that National (the 'Tories') are a bit to the left of Labour on a
number of important poltical issues, it's not really a surprise - although
it is to much of the left - that more blue-collar workers voted National
than Labour last time and will probably do so again.

Yet more bad news for Labour:
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