Re: [abcusers] Multivoice in ABC 2.0
On 16 Oct 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not like the unnecessary proliferation of inline fields of ABC2.0. I don't think its unnecessary. If you want to change clefs in mid line, for instance. I don't like using the K: field to indicate cleff since most of the tunes that use the V: field to date don't specify a K: for each V: (as I mentioned in the documentation of iabc). That is, most people expect voices to 'inherit' the key specified in the K: field. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html My major objection to inline fields is encapsulated in the statement from ABC2.0 rev IV --- To avoid ambiguity, inline fields that specify music properties should be repeated in each voice. For example, ... P:C [V:1] C4|[M:3/4]CEG|Gce| [V:2] E4|[M:3/4]G3 |E3 | P:D ... - the need to align the meter change in every voice seems a great problem in parsing. What action does the program take when one voice out of eight does not align. ABC 2.0 states For backward compatibility, it is still allowed to notate tune fields on a line by themselves, between the music lines: ed|cecA B2ed|cAcA E2ed|cecA B2ed|c2A2 A2:| M:2/2 K:G AB|cdec BcdB|ABAF GFE2|cdec BcdB|c2A2 A2:| If we are considering multivoice notation, this seems a far more sensible way to notate global key and meter changes than having to match inline fields in all voices. Barry Say To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Announcement: Making Music with ABC Plus online
Hello there, I've temporarily re-joined the list to announce that my new manual Making Music with ABC Plus is online. You can download the English and Italian versions from http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/. Many thanks to Norman Schmidt who helped me with the English version. The manual is released under the GNU GPL: feel free to share it with anyone. That said, please consider making a small donation, or at least a postcard... If you wish to make a translation, you're more than welcome: the LaTeX sources are there for you. Ciao a tutti, Guido =8-) -- Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. guido . gonzato at univr . it - Linux System Manager Universita' di Verona (Italy), Facolta' di Scienze MM. FF. NN. Ca' Vignal II, Strada Le Grazie 15, 37134 Verona (Italy) Tel. +39 045 8027990; Fax +39 045 8027928 --- Timeas hominem unius libri To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Multivoice in ABC 2.0
Barry Say wrote: On 16 Oct 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not like the unnecessary proliferation of inline fields of ABC2.0. I don't think its unnecessary. If you want to change clefs in mid line, for instance. I don't like using the K: field to indicate cleff since most of the tunes that use the V: field to date don't specify a K: for each V: (as I mentioned in the documentation of iabc). That is, most people expect voices to 'inherit' the key specified in the K: field. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html My major objection to inline fields is encapsulated in the statement from ABC2.0 rev IV --- To avoid ambiguity, inline fields that specify music properties should be repeated in each voice. For example, ... P:C [V:1] C4|[M:3/4]CEG|Gce| [V:2] E4|[M:3/4]G3 |E3 | P:D ... - the need to align the meter change in every voice seems a great problem in parsing. What action does the program take when one voice out of eight does not align. You need to place a metre change in all of the voices (if that's what you want) since you can have voices in different metres. (It's not common, but it does happen, and not only in avant-garde music - Bach did it occasionally.) ABC 2.0 states For backward compatibility, it is still allowed to notate tune fields on a line by themselves, between the music lines: ed|cecA B2ed|cAcA E2ed|cecA B2ed|c2A2 A2:| M:2/2 K:G AB|cdec BcdB|ABAF GFE2|cdec BcdB|c2A2 A2:| If we are considering multivoice notation, this seems a far more sensible way to notate global key and meter changes than having to match inline fields in all voices. Yes, that's perfectly acceptable, but you still need to put fields in all of the voices to which they apply. There's nowhere in the tune body where you can place a single field and have it apply to all voices. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC sites
Forgeot Eric wrote: I've updated the Free Sheet Music Directory /.../ Did I miss any? I have a small website with a few (500) hometranscribed tunes : http://anamnese.online.fr/abc/ Sorry Eric. Your site already is listed in the directory, but only in the traditional music categories. I'll add it to the abc category as well, of course. Cheers Frank http://www.musicaviva.com To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Multivoice in ABC 2.0
On 17 Oct 2003, Phil Taylor wrote: Barry Say wrote: You need to place a metre change in all of the voices (if that's what you want) since you can have voices in different metres. (It's not common, but it does happen, and not only in avant-garde music - Bach did it occasionally.) I appreciate precisely what you are saying, but it seems to me we are complicating matters. Meter changes will generally be global and in that case we can write the input for all voices for the first part of the tune which is in the initial meter. Follow this by an M: field Then continue with the input for all voices for the section in the new meter. If we need to change the meter for one voice then this can be done with an inline field Yes, that's perfectly acceptable, but you still need to put fields in all of the voices to which they apply. There's nowhere in the tune body where you can place a single field and have it apply to all voices. I suggest an exactly similar argument for Key changes. I include a section from my suggested modifications to the ABC- standard at http://www.nspipes.co.uk/barry/abc2propos2.html - Multivoice notation includes all situations where multiple input lines are to be aligned in the output. The simplest cases are perhaps one voice and aligned words or symbols or chords. The fields which can be involved are: V:label (voice); w: (aligned words); s: (symbol lines); and c: (chords). K:specification %start of tune. optional fields %these should be unnecessary at his point. Multivoice block optional fields Multivoice block . . Multivoice block Blank line The Multivoice block consists of the fields mentioned above. and might look like. V:1 cAB2 |cAAA |c3B|G2+fermata+Gz ::e4|\ w: que-sto~il vi-so ond' io ri-man-go~uc-ci-so. Deh, w: ran-do fi-so, tut-to re-stai con-qui-so. V:2 AAG2 |AFFF |A3F|=E2+fermata+Ez::c4| V:3 (ag/f/e2)|A_ddd|A3B|c2+fermata+cz ::A4| A section of one voice is notated . The equivalent section of all other voices are then appended along with symbol lines, guitar chords and inline words. All voices can be multiline. The voice, chord and symbol lines do not have an included space when joined. Inline fields e.g.[M:4/4], [K:G] apply only to the voice in which they occur, but fields between blocks have a global effect across all the voices. The first voice in the block controls line-continuation and line- breaking for the whole score so the \ at the end of the V:1 field merely indicates that this is not a staff break. -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC to HTML viewer
May be interesting to note that my program HARMONY provides tablature for Anglo Concertina (and Melodeon). I don't know of any other abc program which does. Neil Jennings www.greenhedges.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 October 2003 13:54 Subject: [abcusers] Re: ABC to HTML viewer Norman Schmidt wrote: After not finding a plugin for my browser to read abc files directly from the internet, I have taken the viewing engine I wrote for ABassC on the Palm and PockePC and ported it to HTML. The result is at www.normanschmidt.net/abassc.php . You have to copy/paste the ABC text and press a button; but I find it useful when, say your on a machine without BarFly or abcm2ps installed. Nice. Thank you. Note, however, that similar functionality already exists at http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html with the added features of being able to select various formats for return (jpg, midi, pdf, ps). __ /\/\/\/\ __ | | | | | David Barnert __ | | | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ | | | | | Albany, NY __ \/\/\/\/ Ventilator Concertina Bellows Bellows (Vocation) (Avocation) To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Multivoice in ABC 2.0
Barry Say wrote: I appreciate precisely what you are saying, but it seems to me we are complicating matters. Meter changes will generally be global and in that case we can write the input for all voices for the first part of the tune which is in the initial meter. Follow this by an M: field Then continue with the input for all voices for the section in the new meter. If we need to change the meter for one voice then this can be done with an inline field OK, let's see if I understand this. (It's always easier to ask a question than to read text carefully): a specification or a change in meter/key/whatever will apply to all voices, *unless explicitly changed* by an (inline?) specification. But the inline specification applies *only* to the one voice. So there is a fundamental difference between inline changes (presumably enclosed in square brackets) and (what do you call non-inline changes? Outline?) those specified by a field starting on a newline (which can not be enclosed in square brackets, or else the email linebreak demon will foil the best intentions), in that the inline changes are local, the outline (sorry! I'd better use quotes on that!) are global. So, the order of voices in the abc is usually not important, *except* in the case of an outline change, which will presumably apply to all subsequent voices, as written in the abc. Or am I confusing things? I include a section from my suggested modifications to the ABC- standard at http://www.nspipes.co.uk/barry/abc2propos2.html I couldn't find that---got the earlier version, but not the second. Cheers, John Walsh To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
