Re: Slavery (was Re: [agi] Opensource Business Model)
On 6/5/07, William Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/06/07, Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose you build a human level AGI, and argue that it is not autonomous no matter what it does, because it is deterministically executing a program. I suspect an AGI that executes one fixed unchangeable program is not physically possible. What do you mean by one fixed unchangeable program? That seems nonsense to me... There's no necessary distinction between a program and its data, so that concept is useless. Ricardo - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=231415user_secret=e9e40a7e
Re: [agi] Development Environments for AI (a few non-religious comments!)
Wow. You've floored me given that indexes are key to what enterprise DBs do well. What are the special requirements/functionalities of the indices that you believe that enterprise DBs are not *optimized* to handle? Is there any AGI project which uses so called enterprise DBs intensively? If not, I guess the burden of proof is on you... Ricardo - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
Re: Languages for AGI [WAS Re: [agi] Priors and indefinite probabilities]
On 2/18/07, Charles D Hixson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might check out D ( http://www.digitalmars.com/d/index.html ). Mind you, it's still in the quite early days, and missing a lot of libraries ... which means you need to construct interfaces to the C versions. Still, it answers several of your objections, and has partial answers to at least one of the others. I was going to try out D some time ago, but decided not to when I learned that they use Hans Boehm's conservative garbage collector. I find conservative garbage collection to be very inelegant and too error prone for my taste, even if it works well in practice for most projects... - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
Re: [agi] Re: Languages for AGI
The idea is a language that looks a lot more like the signals-and-systems mindset of cybernetics than the logic-based one of McCarthy and early AI. As I've pointed out before in this venue, AGI is a hard enough task that it makes sense to do some serious work on tools-to-build-the-tools. As Abraham Lincoln put it, If I had 8 hours to chop down a tree, I'd spend 6 sharpening my axe. In Abraham Lincoln's case I think it makes sense, since he already knows how he'll use the axe. I doubt that most people who are worrying about which language they'll use actually have a good idea of how to actually design an AGI... You can spend all the time you want sharpening your axes, it'll do you no good if you don't know what you'll use it for... Ricardo - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
Re: [agi] Project proposal: MindPixel 2
Judging from your posts, you have solved the AI problem in 2007, 2006, 2005, On 1/15/07, A. T. Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Mahoney wrote: [...] Lenat briefly mentions Sergey's (one of Google's founders) goal of solving AI by 2020. FWIW I solved AI theory-wise in 1979 and software-wise in 2007. http://mind.sourceforce.net/Mind.html and http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/jsaimind.html and http://visitware.com/AI4U/jsaimind.html are True AI demo versions. I think if Google and Cyc work together on this, they will succeed. The Mentifex solution to AI is messy. About thirty parameters of AI have been orchestrated and coordinated to produce a minimal thinking artificial Mind. What the late Christopher McKinstry and the late Pushpinder Singh tried to achieve in their web-mind (pace Ben G :-) programs can be achieved, albeit messily, in Mind.html or in http://mind.sourceforge.net/mind4th.html (lagging behind Mind.html) either by hard-coding a minimal subject-verb-object KB (as I did) or by data-entry when users teach the artificial Mind new facts. On another note, something which may alarm our fellow list members, I am thinking of replacing the Terminate exit from Mind.html with a [ ] Death check-box that will pop up a plea for mercy, with an ethical user-decision to be made about AI life or death. If the Mentifex AI programs Mind.html [AI-Complete] and Mind.Forth have truly solved AI, the open-access Site Meter logs will reveal an enormous rush to fetch the free AI source code. That escalation has not happened yet, but you are all welcome to click on Site Meter and see such curious visit logs as the following example from a few days ago, which was apparently made to a local copy of a Mentifex page: Visit 190,585 [] [] Domain Namesenate.gov ? (United States Government) IP Address 156.33.25.# (U.S. Senate Sergeant at Arms) ISPU.S. Senate Sergeant at Arms Location Continent : North America Country : United States (Facts) State : District of Columbia City : Washington Lat/Long : 38.8933, -77.0146 (Map) Language unknown Operating System Microsoft WinXP BrowserInternet Explorer 6.0 Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) Javascript disabled Time of Visit Jan 12 2007 5:40:01 pm Last Page View Jan 12 2007 5:40:01 pm Visit Length 0 seconds Page Views 1 Referring URL unknown Visit Entry Page Visit Exit Page Out Click Time Zone unknown Visitor's Time Unknown Visit Number 190,585 - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303 - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
Re: Marvin and The Emotion Machine [WAS Re: [agi] A question on the symbol-system hypothesis]
On 12/13/06, Philip Goetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/5/06, BillK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a little annoying that he doesn't mention Damasio at all, when Damasio has been pushing this same thesis for nearly 20 years, and even popularized it in Descartes' Error. (Disclaimer: I didn't read The Emotion Machine; my computer read it for me.) He does mention António Damásio in chapter 7: http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/E7/eb7.html Search for damasio there. It's just a small mention to one of the examples given in Descartes Error... Ricardo - This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=303
Re: [agi] NP-Hard is not an applicable concept [WAS Re: strong and weakly self improving processes]
But NP-hard is still very, very trivial; there's very little that falls into that category. Basically there are four important categories of problem: 1) NP-hard 2) EXPTIME-hard 3) Incomputable 4) Ill-posed problem Intelligence is primarily in category 4 (which is Richard's point, if I understand him correctly). Which doesn't mean we can't prove that it's also in other categories (even if the problem isn't completely defined); that was Eliezer's assertion, which seemed pretty fair to me and which Richard tried to disprove with an unhelpful argument. --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] Mentifex AI Breakthrough on Wed.7.JUN.2006
Hi, Well, let me waste a little bit of time: Distinguish homonyms from context? I believe so, because the current AI uses ASCII characters, not phonemes. Hilarious. Represent the concept of a homonym? At this stage, I am not sure. Which shows how sure you are about the fact that it's really intelligent. Can it handle deixis? Since I have a degree in ancient Greek and briefly attended U Cal Berkeley graduate school in classics, I know that deixis from deiknumi means pointing or showing, and so I must admit that the AI is not far enough along to show things. It is an implementation of the simplest thinking that I can muster -- a proof of concept program. Since I have hands and know how to use a search engine, I can point you to these pages: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/deixis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deixis It would most likely be extremely difficult if not impossible to port Mind.Forth into circa 1982 Sinclair Spectrum BASIC. Why, because of memory issues? Sarcastic regards, Ricardo Barreira --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [agi] Mentifex AI Breakthrough on Wed.7.JUN.2006
More importantly, do you have any prinicipled reason for claiming that it will soon be able to handle any of these things, other than your statement of optimism If robot builders were to add sensory and motor routines to Mind.Forth, the AI would flesh out its conceptual knowledge and interact with the world.? More importantly, why hasn't this guy been banned from the list yet? I'm new here, so if there's any no bans policy I don't know please excuse the question. http://www.nothingisreal.com/mentifex_faq.html I would assume that you all would have read this page with details about this spammer? Ricardo --- To unsubscribe, change your address, or temporarily deactivate your subscription, please go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
