Re: [Alsa-user] SBx00 Azalia ALC663 Working but MIC goes away
At Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:29:30 -0300, Diego Jacobi wrote: Thanks. I did sended you already as CC the same mail that i sended to alsa-devel. It has the alsa-infos. 2011/6/27 Takashi Iwai ti...@suse.de: At Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:30:05 -0300, Diego Jacobi wrote: Did it work before with another GNU/Linux distribution? I have never used this laptop with another distribution. I would require to install and learn to set the parameters for the right model. Can not do that from livecd. You are right. It is tedious to remove the sound modules during runtime since some graphical programs use/depend on them and there are also many sound modules. The command you would be looking for is `modprobe` and you would pass the parameter `model` with a file in `/etc/modprobe.d/` or when loading the module directly with `modprobe snd-hda-intel model=…`. I remember to have tested many models. Fortunately in openSUSE it is quite easy to change the value, but not to find the right one. When i did that, i right one was m51va It was also quite hard to find it out and to get the list of options. Thats no task for any non-programmer. And most answers finded in google just say try this and not read this file and look for your chipset and the list of available models. The recent version of BIOS auto-parser works often better than the model quirks. For openSUSE, the alsa-driver-kmp is available for the updates to the latest alsa-driver snapshot. See the Wiki page for details: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Alsa-update After installing alsa-driver-kmp, remove model option, and reload the driver (or reboot). Check the mixer status again, then retest. If the problem still persists, give alsa-info.sh output. (Put me to Cc.) The latest alsa-driver-kmp might still have a bug at volume initialization I fixed today. I can check it when alsa-info output is available. In anyways, you can try alsa-driver-kmp later again in such a case, too. At best, take alsa-info.sh output during the mic is working and during the mic doesn't work. In that way, we can compare the difference more directly. thanks, Takashi alsa-driver-kmp wasnt on my software manager, i had to find it at software.opensuse.org. Make sure that you installed from the right repository. When the kernel version doesn't match, the modules might be not updated properly. There are different repos for the original 11.4 and updated 11.4 kernels, for example. For checking whether it's updated, check like /snd/modinfo snd-hda-intel | grep filename: If the filename shown there is something like /lib/modules/.../updates/... or /lib/modules/.../weak-updates/..., it's fine. If it's still /lib/modules/.../kernel/sound/..., it means that the update went wrong by some reason. Takashi -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] SBx00 Azalia ALC663 Working but MIC goes away
At Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:30:05 -0300, Diego Jacobi wrote: Did it work before with another GNU/Linux distribution? I have never used this laptop with another distribution. I would require to install and learn to set the parameters for the right model. Can not do that from livecd. You are right. It is tedious to remove the sound modules during runtime since some graphical programs use/depend on them and there are also many sound modules. The command you would be looking for is `modprobe` and you would pass the parameter `model` with a file in `/etc/modprobe.d/` or when loading the module directly with `modprobe snd-hda-intel model=…`. I remember to have tested many models. Fortunately in openSUSE it is quite easy to change the value, but not to find the right one. When i did that, i right one was m51va It was also quite hard to find it out and to get the list of options. Thats no task for any non-programmer. And most answers finded in google just say try this and not read this file and look for your chipset and the list of available models. The recent version of BIOS auto-parser works often better than the model quirks. For openSUSE, the alsa-driver-kmp is available for the updates to the latest alsa-driver snapshot. See the Wiki page for details: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Alsa-update After installing alsa-driver-kmp, remove model option, and reload the driver (or reboot). Check the mixer status again, then retest. If the problem still persists, give alsa-info.sh output. (Put me to Cc.) The latest alsa-driver-kmp might still have a bug at volume initialization I fixed today. I can check it when alsa-info output is available. In anyways, you can try alsa-driver-kmp later again in such a case, too. At best, take alsa-info.sh output during the mic is working and during the mic doesn't work. In that way, we can compare the difference more directly. thanks, Takashi -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] SBx00 Azalia ALC663 Working but MIC goes away
Thanks. I did sended you already as CC the same mail that i sended to alsa-devel. It has the alsa-infos. 2011/6/27 Takashi Iwai ti...@suse.de: At Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:30:05 -0300, Diego Jacobi wrote: Did it work before with another GNU/Linux distribution? I have never used this laptop with another distribution. I would require to install and learn to set the parameters for the right model. Can not do that from livecd. You are right. It is tedious to remove the sound modules during runtime since some graphical programs use/depend on them and there are also many sound modules. The command you would be looking for is `modprobe` and you would pass the parameter `model` with a file in `/etc/modprobe.d/` or when loading the module directly with `modprobe snd-hda-intel model=…`. I remember to have tested many models. Fortunately in openSUSE it is quite easy to change the value, but not to find the right one. When i did that, i right one was m51va It was also quite hard to find it out and to get the list of options. Thats no task for any non-programmer. And most answers finded in google just say try this and not read this file and look for your chipset and the list of available models. The recent version of BIOS auto-parser works often better than the model quirks. For openSUSE, the alsa-driver-kmp is available for the updates to the latest alsa-driver snapshot. See the Wiki page for details: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Alsa-update After installing alsa-driver-kmp, remove model option, and reload the driver (or reboot). Check the mixer status again, then retest. If the problem still persists, give alsa-info.sh output. (Put me to Cc.) The latest alsa-driver-kmp might still have a bug at volume initialization I fixed today. I can check it when alsa-info output is available. In anyways, you can try alsa-driver-kmp later again in such a case, too. At best, take alsa-info.sh output during the mic is working and during the mic doesn't work. In that way, we can compare the difference more directly. thanks, Takashi alsa-driver-kmp wasnt on my software manager, i had to find it at software.opensuse.org. I installed it now, deleted the model option and i will tell you the results, as soon as possible. Diego -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
Re: [Alsa-user] SBx00 Azalia ALC663 Working but MIC goes away
Dear Diego, please just send plain text messages to mailing lists [1]. Am Samstag, den 25.06.2011, 20:48 -0300 schrieb Diego Jacobi: […] OpenSUSE 11.4 installed about 2 Months ago. Did it work before with another GNU/Linux distribution? ASUS laptop n51tp Athlon X2 ATI Mobility™ Radeon® HD 4650 Audio System Built-in Azalia compliant audio chip, with 3D effect full duplex Built-in speaker and microphone Support Audio Jack Detect for Vista Basic Logo Support Audio CODEC criteria for Vista Premium Logo AUDIO WORKS with the 2 problems listed below. ABSTRACT: - Internal and external speaker both loud at the same time. - MIC gets broke and an alsa restart is required. PROBLEM 1: If i start the laptop with no external headsets or speaker connected in front panel. Audio goes through internal speakers. This is a common problem and most of the times passing the correct `model` parameter is enough [2]. […] IF i start the laptop with the headsets pluged in. The internal speakers will not work at all. Always in mute. Both the externals will work. To use internals again i have to reset alsa with rcalsasound restart with nothing plugged in. Please also attach the output of `alsa-info.sh` [3] when your system is in that state. PROBLEM 2: MIC works. Internal MIC sucks. Nobody can ear me though skype. External MIC works fine sometimes. If i start the laptop with the MIC plugged in. It works. No problem. If i start the laptop with the NO MIC plugged in. It doesnt works. I have to restart alsa. If i do work with the laptop using different multimedia sources, it brokes. Most of the time i get called by skype and the MIC is not working anymore. Then i have to close all programs, restart alsa and open skype again to be able to talk. Thats the main reason to post here. Please attach the output of `alsa-info.sh` from each state (working, non-working, broken and so on). What version of Skype are you using and how did you install it. In the gnome's Audio-preferences dialog, the input tab, the level-bars : - show as ghosts when it doesnt work. - shows green changing, when it does works. - shows as ghosts if no program is using the mic and changes to green if i start the recorder. Restarting alsa requires closing Opera, Firefox, Skype, Emesene, Banshee, etc. to work or some of them will broke the MIC again. It also requires root privileges. A broken headset also causes this behavior when i plugg it, and then MIC stops working until a reset. What does “broken headset” mean? MY GUESS about the problems: as almost electronic engineer. FOR PROBLEM 1: The driver requires to detect check for high impedance at the front panel and mute the internal ones, and/or provide a way to mute them separately. FOR PROBLEM 2: A short-circuit problem may be happening in my front panel, and under some circumstances, like moving the cables, it causes some chipset failure over the MIC controller. The driver is not handling this error and it stays crashed until a reset. However, it doesnt explains why seeing a video in flashplayer in opera may cause this too. And it didnt happened on windows, but i dont have it anymore installed. Also, i dont understand why AMD+ATI laptop uses Intel hda drivers. But i guess it has to do with ALC663 specs. I think it has to do with HDA spec. I will appreciate any help, and thanks to everyone reading this not-short post. Thank you for taking the time posting this question in such a detail. I am pretty sure your problems can be fixed. Please subscribe to the list alsa-devel [4] and post your problem there uploading *and* attaching the output of `alsa-info.sh` [3] when the system is in the different states. Most developers are just reading `alsa-devel`. Please add the maintainer’s email address (Takashi Iwai [5]) to CC, since he is working for openSUSE(?) as far as I know and therefore will hopefully look into your problem very quickly. You could have also submitted a report to the openSUSE bug tracker. Only do that if you do not get any response in due time. […] Thanks, Paul [1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette [2] http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA#.27model.27_parameter [3] http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug [4] http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Mailing-lists [5] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=MAINTAINERS [6] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense.
Re: [Alsa-user] SBx00 Azalia ALC663 Working but MIC goes away
Hi. I have already sended this mail to the alsa-devel list. I have run alsa-info.sh, which i havent first time because it was an empty script after running it for first time, but found a link in internet. I did all the test mentioned, and find out, that MIC never works at first, it requires an rcalsasound restart. As with the other problems. So it is all part of the same thing. Did it work before with another GNU/Linux distribution? I have never used this laptop with another distribution. I would require to install and learn to set the parameters for the right model. Can not do that from livecd. PROBLEM 1: If i start the laptop with no external headsets or speaker connected in front panel. Audio goes through internal speakers. This is a common problem and most of the times passing the correct `model` parameter is enough [2]. Sorry. I couldn't reproduce that today... it may be an old bug which i have written without testing. It may have been fixed in some current alsa. What version of Skype are you using and how did you install it. Skype 2.2.0.25 Copyright (c) 2004-2011, Skype Limited What does “broken headset” mean? The cable is bad functional. I suspect it has short-circuits on it. But i have a good one of course. Thank you for taking the time posting this question in such a detail. I am pretty sure your problems can be fixed. Thanks to you. Hopefully we can manage to get this problem out. -- All of the data generated in your IT infrastructure is seriously valuable. Why? It contains a definitive record of application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2d-c2 ___ Alsa-user mailing list Alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/alsa-user
