[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
On Apr 30, 6:18 pm, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing, but when he's charging $5 for an app with info that you could google easily, you really kind of see what he's after. If you look at the feedback for his other apps, there's a recurring theme - he's almost a scam artist... Sounds like Market needs a reputation system for the developers and for the commenters. Eventually, developers like this would wind up ignored. And the signal-to-noise ratio in the comments would improve too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I was going to let this thread die but I saw this and had to add on to it because I think it reinforces the need for better filtering options in the Market. I posted this originally because I came across one particular developer (I won't mention the name, but you can find him easily) who's released a number of applications charging $4.99 for most of them, which are basically slideshows with some text and audio. I believe about 98% get 1 star. While I've not downloaded any of them, I do get a laugh out of some of the comments that people leave - apparently they are god awful. So today he released an app called Swine Flu - of which the goal was to provide information that how to stay safe against Swine Flu including symptoms, causes, protection, and treatment. Seriously? That's a bit tasteless. I'm not for banning developers but we really need something to filter crap applications like this... my $.02 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jason Proctor ja...@redfish.net wrote: google presumably wants to take over the desktop with Android on the coming tsunami of netbooks. IMHO personal computers are now workstations, so we need a new personal computer. the netbook is it - the platform will grow up out of the phone, as opposed to down from the PC. Ok, you caught me. I didn't research it at all. So T-Mobile (in the states) gets the 30%? Where is google's motivation in this whole thing? It all made sense to me when I thought google was getting all or part of that 30% but if they get none, where's the money coming from to justify the Android work they are doing? If it's internal, what are their plans for revenue based on the platform? On Apr 16, 11:59 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Let the users filter them. Eventually those apps will fall to the bottom of the list (if they havent already). Apple has an approval process and they still have tasteless apps get thru. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to let this thread die but I saw this and had to add on to it because I think it reinforces the need for better filtering options in the Market. I posted this originally because I came across one particular developer (I won't mention the name, but you can find him easily) who's released a number of applications charging $4.99 for most of them, which are basically slideshows with some text and audio. I believe about 98% get 1 star. While I've not downloaded any of them, I do get a laugh out of some of the comments that people leave - apparently they are god awful. So today he released an app called Swine Flu - of which the goal was to provide information that how to stay safe against Swine Flu including symptoms, causes, protection, and treatment. Seriously? That's a bit tasteless. I'm not for banning developers but we really need something to filter crap applications like this... my $.02 On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jason Proctor ja...@redfish.net wrote: google presumably wants to take over the desktop with Android on the coming tsunami of netbooks. IMHO personal computers are now workstations, so we need a new personal computer. the netbook is it - the platform will grow up out of the phone, as opposed to down from the PC. Ok, you caught me. I didn't research it at all. So T-Mobile (in the states) gets the 30%? Where is google's motivation in this whole thing? It all made sense to me when I thought google was getting all or part of that 30% but if they get none, where's the money coming from to justify the Android work they are doing? If it's internal, what are their plans for revenue based on the platform? On Apr 16, 11:59 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to let this thread die but I saw this and had to add on to it because I think it reinforces the need for better filtering options in the Market. I posted this originally because I came across one particular developer (I won't mention the name, but you can find him easily) who's released a number of applications charging $4.99 for most of them, which are basically slideshows with some text and audio. I believe about 98% get 1 star. While I've not downloaded any of them, I do get a laugh out of some of the comments that people leave - apparently they are god awful. So today he released an app called Swine Flu - of which the goal was to provide information that how to stay safe against Swine Flu including symptoms, causes, protection, and treatment. Seriously? That's a bit tasteless. I'm not for banning developers but we really need something to filter crap applications like this... I haven't tried this app or any other of his apps, but what's wrong with providing information about swine flu? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Nothing, but when he's charging $5 for an app with info that you could google easily, you really kind of see what he's after. If you look at the feedback for his other apps, there's a recurring theme - he's almost a scam artist... Just saying. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to let this thread die but I saw this and had to add on to it because I think it reinforces the need for better filtering options in the Market. I posted this originally because I came across one particular developer (I won't mention the name, but you can find him easily) who's released a number of applications charging $4.99 for most of them, which are basically slideshows with some text and audio. I believe about 98% get 1 star. While I've not downloaded any of them, I do get a laugh out of some of the comments that people leave - apparently they are god awful. So today he released an app called Swine Flu - of which the goal was to provide information that how to stay safe against Swine Flu including symptoms, causes, protection, and treatment. Seriously? That's a bit tasteless. I'm not for banning developers but we really need something to filter crap applications like this... I haven't tried this app or any other of his apps, but what's wrong with providing information about swine flu? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I don't really think it's an issue at this point. Especially since you can get a refund up to 24 hours after purchase. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing, but when he's charging $5 for an app with info that you could google easily, you really kind of see what he's after. If you look at the feedback for his other apps, there's a recurring theme - he's almost a scam artist... Just saying. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Marco Nelissen marc...@android.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: I was going to let this thread die but I saw this and had to add on to it because I think it reinforces the need for better filtering options in the Market. I posted this originally because I came across one particular developer (I won't mention the name, but you can find him easily) who's released a number of applications charging $4.99 for most of them, which are basically slideshows with some text and audio. I believe about 98% get 1 star. While I've not downloaded any of them, I do get a laugh out of some of the comments that people leave - apparently they are god awful. So today he released an app called Swine Flu - of which the goal was to provide information that how to stay safe against Swine Flu including symptoms, causes, protection, and treatment. Seriously? That's a bit tasteless. I'm not for banning developers but we really need something to filter crap applications like this... I haven't tried this app or any other of his apps, but what's wrong with providing information about swine flu? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
We guys have to wait till more shiny good looking, light weight phones hit the market along with the cool new cupcake update.. Once the consumer base increases, we are going to get more companies in and quality apps on the market too.. Compare the consumer base and its no where near the iPhone.. Its just picking up the pace.. Also we need the SDK and VM to be better to make it utilize the hardware better and create more powerful apps and games.. As I am more concerned about games, and our company has both iPhone and Android development teams.. I know Android lags in performance and development tools a lott.. On Apr 17, 1:52 am, dm1973 david050...@gmail.com wrote: Actually the press release says carriers and billing settlement fees. The billing settlement might count as payment to google. I would assume the Settlement fees would be about the same as a normal google checkout transaction. Either way 30% is a pretty fair fee. If you disagree check out what places like PalmGear, handago, and so on used to charge. Or look into what it would cost you to get a merchant account and be able to generate the traffic the market does. On Apr 16, 9:59 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Advertising seems like the obvious answer? Currently, AdMob is cleaning up on in application advertising. Nothing has been announce yet but Google's geniuses must be aware of the revenue they are currently foregoing. If it's internal, what are their plans for revenue based on the platform? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I can see why Google may not want to moderate market submissions. For one, it would come at a cost. There would have to be a team of people responsible for it and they'd likely have to take a cut of app profits to cover the cost. Um, 30% seems like a generous cut of app profits. Looking at the Android Market sales figures, there are very few apps that have cleared over 10k. Where are you finding these 'Android Market sales figures', and how accurate are they? If indeed they are accurate, then 30% of almost nothing is probably and unfortunately going to leave us in the 'wild west' for some time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Tom tom_a_h...@yahoo.com wrote: Um, 30% seems like a generous cut of app profits. That money isn't going to Google. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? On Apr 16, 11:36 am, Dianne Hackborn hack...@android.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Tom tom_a_h...@yahoo.com wrote: Um, 30% seems like a generous cut of app profits. That money isn't going to Google. -- Dianne Hackborn Android framework engineer hack...@android.com Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. All such questions should be posted on public forums, where I and others can see and answer them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Ok, you caught me. I didn't research it at all. So T-Mobile (in the states) gets the 30%? Where is google's motivation in this whole thing? It all made sense to me when I thought google was getting all or part of that 30% but if they get none, where's the money coming from to justify the Android work they are doing? If it's internal, what are their plans for revenue based on the platform? On Apr 16, 11:59 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I am guessing off of download counts. Top games 1) JewelLust 10-50k downloads 2) Retro defense 1-5k 3) Aevum Obscurum 1-5k So the 2nd best downloaded game is less than 5k of downloads (not sales). Multiple by the 2-4 dollars per game and there aren't many that could possibly be clearing 10k. Through in the number of cancelations lowers the number more. Maybe people are making a lot off of ads but given a couple blog posts (3rd most downloaded card game was doing 20 bucks a day) there isn't a lot of money there. Now maybe applications are similiar. Maybe there is some 30 dollar app that sold 500 copies but I doubt you are going to find a lot of them. On Apr 16, 6:36 am, Tom tom_a_h...@yahoo.com wrote: Looking at the Android Market sales figures, there are very few apps that have cleared over 10k. Where are you finding these 'Android Market sales figures', and how accurate are they? If indeed they are accurate, then 30% of almost nothing is probably and unfortunately going to leave us in the 'wild west' for some time. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Actually the press release says carriers and billing settlement fees. The billing settlement might count as payment to google. I would assume the Settlement fees would be about the same as a normal google checkout transaction. Either way 30% is a pretty fair fee. If you disagree check out what places like PalmGear, handago, and so on used to charge. Or look into what it would cost you to get a merchant account and be able to generate the traffic the market does. On Apr 16, 9:59 am, Sundog sunns...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 16, 10:46 am, Robert Green rbgrn@gmail.com wrote: Can I ask the obvious question, then? If it doesn't go to google, then where does it go? Can I give the obvious reply? Oooh, me, me, me. This information is easily available to anyone who has done even the *slightest* research. It's for carrier fees, as has been made completely clear to anyone paying attention over the last six months. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I can see why Google may not want to moderate market submissions. For one, it would come at a cost. There would have to be a team of people responsible for it and they'd likely have to take a cut of app profits to cover the cost. This sort of moderation would also place a delay in getting an app onto the market... I've heard some horror stories about iphone apps taking months to go through the process. Just playing devil's advocate here. There's likely some good middle ground. Others may way that given time the market (and users) will manage itself. -Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
Improve the market feedback. Sure you can scam the first 24 hours of users, but after that when everyone posts comments that it is a scam, sales are going to go to zero. Similarly the refund policy makes it easy to try before you buy versus the iPhone app store where after you spend your .99s you can't get a refund. The key to getting better android apps is not to mess around with the store (well other than figuring out a way to bill the apps to the users phone bill:)). It is to sell 10 million phones so that developers can afford to spend money making a better product. If my game was going to make 100k, I could spend 25k on artists, QA, and so on. If it is going to make 2k, I can't do any of that. Looking at the Android Market sales figures, there are very few apps that have cleared over 10k. With that small of market you are left with hobbyists and companies doing speculative projects. On Apr 15, 10:20 am, Rob Franz rob.fr...@gmail.com wrote: I know it's still an early stage in the game for the platform but it's got a lot of potential - we wouldn't be here if it wasn't, would we? The only way to draw more quality developers to the platform is to implement some sort of control... it seems like it's the wild west here. Thanks, Rob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[android-developers] Re: Quality of paid applications on the Market...
I believe Google's solution is to allow the junk to be rated down and comments available to deter people away. But I agree, I wish there was a team to filter out applications that don't meet certain standards. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
