Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the PRofChina. But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why this condition has developed in the NE, and exploration of solutions there for. Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks, should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the reasons for it as you see them. Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve the problem. I know the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to re-orient its governance can resolve these issues quite easily, because there is a historical precedent for it. These people lived side by side, in relative peace, interdependently, in for centuries. The above two combined, therefore, makes the analogy of Assam's disaffections as a part of India very different from the disaffections of the many indigenous people of the NE , which is a PRODUCT of the reigning Indian system of unaccountable, dysfunctional governance steeped in the politics of (not) sharing the spoils. I understand your and other ethnic Bengalis' fears and mistrusts of the Oxomiya chauvinists. But that has changed dramatically over the decades, even if not dead. But it will be the easiest thing to overcome, when the intelligentsia of the communities could join forces, backed by a functioning and trustworthy system of law-enforcement and justice of a reformed Assam government, considering the fact that the Assamese are the closest to the Bengalis in every describable ethnic/cultural traits among all the people of the South Asian sub-continent (with the exception of our indigenous Bodos, Karbis, Misings, Tiwas etc. who are historically more closely related kin.) So, put your thinking cap on and go at it. Don't try to throw my arguments at me, when you don't agree. That does not go anywhere :-). c-da And especially in our parts of thecountry, if indeed you do handover Kokrajhar toBodoland, what about the Assamese there who want to bea part of sovereign India? Or sovereign Assam for thatmatter?As to why Assam should be a part of sovereign India, Iwill address it in a separate e-mail! *** That is no argument. Assam is Assam and it's wishes are not subject to somebody else's choices, wishes or
Re: [Assam] [USA-Immigration] something intl. students do -but shouldn't
What does this mean? What is a "Brahmin God" -are you refering to someone from your caste (so-called Brahmin)? Umesh Mukul-da wrote: " I am so glad for you . Remain that way. Remain a humanist--a good teacher-a good Brahmin-God will be with you. mm"mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so glad for you . Remain that way. Remain a humanist--a good teacher-a good Brahmin-God will be with you. mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] [USA-Immigration] something intl. students do -but shouldn'tDate:Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:27:44 + (GMT) For someone who may be think of studying abroad: I'm glad that I have never crossed the line. Never worked outside univ. campus during student life. Never worked outside "education" - my field of work -- afterwards -as per my visa status. Many students work as bar tenders etc -even if not allowed to . They keep behaving as if they were in India etc - causing problems for all. Umeshumesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:19:28 + (GMT)From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [USA-Immigration] H1B visa and Green CardTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Rocky, It is true that you did something inexcusable - which insome other countriesoften goes unchecked. However, since it is done - there is no crying over spilt milk. Better pay the fine and forget. However, I'm told that if you commit a criminal offense - even -DUI - driving after drinking alchohol -- you can be deported -- even if you have a Green Card. Be careful. If you are not authorised to work - or can only work in some fields -- do not go over the line . Many do and get away with it -- but once caught - is enough to ruin your entire stay -if you plan to stay for long. Regards. UmeshRocky Fan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello members I was caught yesterday while selling 6 cans of beer to a minor. I gota ticket from ABC officials and I need to pay the fine.This is my first time. I will never work on gas station. But they knowmy SSN and everything. Now, is this going to affect me if I apply for employment, H1b visa or green card? I am on F1 (student) visa and my visa is valid for 2 more years. All comments will be appreciated. Please please help me, I am fully scared right now. Rocky. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. SPONSORED LINKS Immigration H1-b Immigration to newzealand YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "USA-Immigration" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100% will agree to Sovereignty. *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. O Assamee! when will you learn and grow? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the PRofChina. But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why this condition has developed in the NE, and exploration of solutions there for. Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks, should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the reasons for it as you see them. Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve the problem. I know the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to re-orient its governance can resolve these issues quite easily, because there is a historical precedent for it. These people lived side by side, in relative peace, interdependently, in for centuries. The above two combined, therefore, makes the analogy of Assam's disaffections as a part of India very different from the disaffections of the many indigenous people of the NE ,
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
It is a good point by Rajen-da. Why did Assam break up - into seven states in the first place? UmeshBarua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100% will agree to Sovereignty. *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. O Assamee! when will you learn and grow? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the PRofChina. But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why this condition has developed in the NE, and exploration of solutions there for. Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks, should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the reasons for it as you see them. Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve the problem. I know the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to re-orient its governance can resolve these issues quite easily, because there is a historical precedent for it. These people lived side by side, in relative peace, interdependently, in for centuries. The above two combined, therefore, makes the analogy of Assam's disaffections as a part of India very different from the disaffections of the many indigenous people of the NE , which is a PRODUCT of the reigning Indian system of unaccountable, dysfunctional governance steeped in the politics of (not) sharing the spoils. I understand your and other ethnic Bengalis' fears and mistrusts of the Oxomiya chauvinists. But that has changed dramatically over the
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
Answer:Because Congress has been trying hard ever since 1947 to Divide and Rule and Easy-loot. QUESTIONWhy did Assam break up - into seven states in the first place? From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate:Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:47:18 + (GMT) It is a good point by Rajen-da. Why did Assam break up - into seven states in the first place? UmeshBarua25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100% will agree to Sovereignty. *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. O Assamee! when will you learn and grow? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the PRofChina. But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why this condition has developed in the NE, and exploration of solutions there for. Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks, should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the reasons for it as you see them. Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve the problem. I know the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to re-orient its governance can resolve these issues quite easily, because there is a historical precedent for it. These people lived side by side, in relative peace, interdependently, in for centuries. The above two combined, therefore, makes the
Re: [Assam] US Farmer/Jihadi's view-point (Mr Johann) : Beggar Prince-Tea too?
Just imagine if tomorrow US/EU turned around to say that if you want to sell us Assam Tea -- you must buy our salmon fish or cavier or French wine or Mad cow meat. Assam produces/sells today 500,000 Tons Tea/year. USA buys about 1700 Tons a year from Assam. If they turn around ,we do the same. mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] US Farmer/Jihadi's view-point (Mr Johann) : Beggar Prince-Tea too?Date:Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:43:04 + (GMT) Hi, Those in India etc have always complained about subsidized farm products from US and EU etc - killing Indian farmers - by bankrupting them. The common practice of MNCs - of cultivating new markets at low prices- whilemaking losses for decades (see Coca Cola Pepsi in India) -- is vociferously advocated by US and EU agri departments. US agriculture makes losses everywhere -except in developed countries . Losses - in the sense that in US the consumers can afford to pay the asking price for milk , dairy and meat products -in dollars -- consumers in poor countries cannot pay more than a few cents - for every dollar spent by US consumers on food products. Thus, US and EU agriculture sell products profitably in their own markets -- but "dump" products in poorer countries -at much cheaper prices. For instance rice in US would not cost less than 2 dollars /kilo but these farmers would sell the same rice in India for 30 cents/kilo. Ofcourse they incur the loss - but surprisingly, instead of US farmers incurring the loss (as would be expected in case of MNCs -when they incur losses) --it is the US taxpayers and US govt with incurrs the loss. Causing enormous deficit in US budget - making them borrow $8 trilliondollars ($27,000 per US citizen) from Rest of the World -currently. I am not a great expert on farm subsidies but at collegehad indeed studied at length Indian policies of subsidizing Indian farmers - with cheap fertilizers, irrigation, seeds and Guarenteed Minimum Price for their products - during the Soviet Era. Perhaps some of it is still going on. However, comparing Indian farmer and US farmer is like comparing a Beggar and a Prince. Although most Indian farmers are not so hard up - unlike the landless laborers -- but their landholdings are miniscule compared to thousands of acres of farmland tipically owned by US farmers. Further, US does not depend on farm sector for economic growth - in India and other poor countries like Afghanistan - -it forms the backbone of the economy - for a large majority of the population. US has only 2% of its population in Agriculture poor countires have 40 to 90% of their population in Agriculture. So the argument of US or EU to be compared to India or Malawi - is like a prince and beggar fighting each other for alms. The above was my viewpoint. Now we come to teh point of view of Mr Johann - US Secretary for Agricultre whose interview I saw today on Darshan TV - a local DC channel. A farmer's son from Nebraska (and its former Governor) who used to get up at 4am to tend to hogs and cows - is keenly devoted to USA's conquering world marketsfor farm products. http://www.pecad.fas.usda.gov/glam.cfm(see FAS mission) He was very focused on benefiting from CAFTA (US- Central America Free Trade Area) by pushing US farm products there - becosUS productivity is the best in the world and increasing by 2% each year - whereas US population is growing by only 0.5%. No, he does not plan to use that food -- to give free to the hungry - in India or Mali where so many people are dying of hunger (Mali - a muslim nation in West Africa)--- he plans to behave like the CEO of a major US corporation -- and increase profits for the farmers by killing competition everywhere in the world. http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/11/05/bush.summit/index.html Results are clearly visible these days - Bush facing riots in Argentina, Afghans growing Opium for export -for heroinedrug making- since US/EU farm products make everything else useless. I do agree that any nation must be selfsufficient in feeding its people - otherwise like in case of Petroleum you are always scared for your next meal -- but that does not mean that US/EU decide to do away with the self sufficiency of other nations. It should subsidize its farm products -only to the extentit feeds its own population -- for extra production by farmers - either they give their product free to hungry nations - or dump it in the sea to feed the fish. What do you say? Just imagine if tomorrow US/EU turned around to say that if you want to sell us Assam Tea -- you must buy our salmon fish or cavier or French wine or Mad cow meat. ?? Umesh To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. Wrong at every thought. We will create Family Republics but they will have to print their own currency. mm mm From: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "mc mahant" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:16:16 -0600 Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100% will agree to Sovereignty. *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. O Assamee! when will you learn and grow? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a part of a sovereign Assam. But that assumption could be legitimate ONLY if you have explored WHY this situation has developed in recent decades--of each indigenous group seeking to carve out its own sovereign state, and concluded credibly that it could NOT resolved except, may only be kept under check by brutal Indian military might like Saddam Hussein or the erstwhile USSR or the PRofChina. But that is a false assumption. For someone like yourself with an IIM-MBA, I would have expected an analysis of the reasons why this condition has developed in the NE, and exploration of solutions there for. Not that the subject was never broached in this forum. I have gotten hoarse explaining some of the reasons. But those of you who do not accept them, and are endowed with analytical skills and outlooks, should be able to articulate your OWN assessments and lay out the reasons for it as you see them. Once you have done that, you could look into how to resolve the problem. I know the answers conceptually and am convinced that a sovereign Assam, and even a truly autonomous Assam with REAL powers to
Re: [Assam] TOI: Bloody Brahmins of UP Rajasthan??
e.g.---Umesh 45s67z mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] TOI: Bloody Brahmins of UP Rajasthan??Date:Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:02:41 + (GMT) Mukul-da, Could you elaborate? Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The next best "IT achievement" in INDIA ought to be name Digitization--to totally abrogate hint of castes and Lineage of so called Superiority. Reject History. Didn't we talk about our common ancestor- the great Mother from the African Cave? mm From:umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:Re: [Assam] TOI: Bloody Brahmins of UP Rajasthan??Date:Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:00:08 + (GMT) I just remembered that in India - the best teachers of science etc are at IIT coaching institutes - Bansal Classes, Aggarwal classes (both non-Brahmin) , the best teacher at Bansal Classes was a young Mr Arora (getting $100,000 per year in India) - again not a Brahmin. Also Best School Principal is Ms. Shyama Chona (Padma Bhushan) of Delhi Public School RK Puram - again non Brahmin. Just like Rajasthan's ministry has been transformed from an All-Brahmin one 15 years ago to only 5% Brahmins - similarly - thru merit and development of humna resources in other castes - it is just a matter of time that so-called Brahmins will stop calling themselves Brahmins. I pray to God Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Appalling!! Umesh http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1281575.cms "Vasundhara Raje Government has already given out ten per cent quota for Bramhins in Rajasthan," says an upbeat Trivedi who, however, feels they got less because they couldn't ask for more. Seputgenarian Mishra is more "pragmatic". "LUCKNOW: Bramhins make best teachers. Ask the All India Brahmin Unity Forum. The outfit with its tentacles spread far and wide in eastern UP particularly furnishes "irrefutable genetic and historic proof" in support of their latest demand for eighty per cent reservation for Brahmins as teachers in the basic education sector. " Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] The underbelly of Europe...
Looking at how France deals with lumpens from the deprived class, I wonder what difference, if any, is there between them and anywhere else in the world. http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DC3DBDDB-4AB8-4608-ABA5-825044B50150.htm --- mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Remain a humanist--a good teacher-a good Brahmin-God will be with you: Never mind my poor typing! I meant the obvious-- --a good Brahmin. God will be with you. mm - From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: assam@assamnet.org Subject: RE: [Assam] [USA-Immigration] something intl. students do -but shouldn't Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:01:20 + (GMT) What does this mean? What is a Brahmin God -are you refering to someone from your caste (so-called Brahmin)? Umesh Mukul-da wrote: I am so glad for you . Remain that way. Remain a humanist--a good teacher-a good Brahmin-God will be with you. mm mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so glad for you . Remain that way. Remain a humanist--a good teacher-a good Brahmin-God will be with you. mm - From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: assam@assamnet.org Subject: [Assam] [USA-Immigration] something intl. students do -but shouldn't Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:27:44 + (GMT) For someone who may be think of studying abroad: I'm glad that I have never crossed the line. Never worked outside univ. campus during student life. Never worked outside education - my field of work -- afterwards -as per my visa status. Many students work as bar tenders etc -even if not allowed to . They keep behaving as if they were in India etc - causing problems for all. Umesh umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:19:28 + (GMT) From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [USA-Immigration] H1B visa and Green Card To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Rocky, It is true that you did something inexcusable - which in some other countries often goes unchecked. However, since it is done - there is no crying over spilt milk. Better pay the fine and forget. However, I'm told that if you commit a criminal offense - even -DUI - driving after drinking alchohol -- you can be deported -- even if you have a Green Card. Be careful. If you are not authorised to work - or can only work in some fields -- do not go over the line . Many do and get away with it -- but once caught - is enough to ruin your entire stay -if you plan to stay for long. Regards. Umesh Rocky Fan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello members I was caught yesterday while selling 6 cans of beer to a minor. I got a ticket from ABC officials and I need to pay the fine. This is my first time. I will never work on gas station. But they know my SSN and everything. Now, is this going to affect me if I apply for employment, H1b visa or green card? I am on F1 (student) visa and my visa is valid for 2 more years. All comments will be appreciated. Please please help me, I am fully scared right now. Rocky. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. SPONSORED LINKS Immigration H1-b Immigration to newzealand - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group USA-Immigration on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
Wrong at every thought. We will create Family Republics but they will have to print their own currency. mm mm in the new assam one won't be allowed to keep personal property but then everyonewill have to print their own currenciesthat's quite an incentiveeh??...please send us netters the details on how u expect the system to work.(one nation 'assam' and a thousand different currencies)...one of us might evensend your name as the nomination for next year's Nobel for economics on a serious note the idea is real patheticwhere do you live??? some another galaxy withsomedifferent theories of economics??? man assam, it seems, is heading for some real trouble. honestly, i used to get hyper, initially, with the kind of responses u guys come out with every now and thenbut the mood's changing now..it now really amuses me to no end. and yeah i fell off my chair laughing the other day and so did my friends who were 'fortunate' enough to go thro' ur ideas and comments on 'new assam'. go take a hike man! tridip mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. Wrong at every thought. We will create Family Republics but they will have to print their own currency. mm mm From: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "mc mahant" [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:16:16 -0600 Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100% will agree to Sovereignty. *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: I would say these reflectthe same caste Hindu Assamese insensitiveattitude towards the other sub ethnic groups in Assam: "we know better what they want."Exactly it is for this Assamese attitude for which Assamese lost not only the Nagas, Khasis and Khamtis but also are loosing the Bodos, Mishings, Karbis, Tiwangs, Ravas and all. Ican cite many examples of such insensitive remarks from caste Hindu Assamese leaders from last100 years Assam political history. O Assamee! when will you learn and grow? RB - Original Message - From: mc mahant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys Patently erroneeous assumptionS. Even Delhi stopped this scary lines . 100%will agree to Sovereignty. Nothing succeeds like success. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED],Bartta Bistar [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland IndiaDate: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:45:20 -0600 Rajib: At 8:04 AM -0800 11/4/05, Rajib Das wrote: But C-Da, it is indeed an argument - following exactlythe lines you worked along :-) *** First, for a product of the 21st century desi-knowledge brigade, you disappoint me every time you parrot my line of arguments and even words and phrases, particularly when you so vehemently disagree with them. You ought to have learnt by now that it is very unproductive to fight the 'enemy' on its terms :-). It is a sure-fire recipe for no getting anywhere, if not for losing. A friendly suggestion, not merely for these debates, but for life in general, is that it is very important for one to seek out creative answers, seek new paths to solving problems. Your generation, with the backgrounds like some you have had, ought to be able to deliver far more than echoing those that you obviously do not agree with. It is like the Hinduttwa brigades' tack of trying to be bad clones of Jehadistas or Talibans, without their zeal. A patently lost cause! Let us say Assam becomes sovereign. And the Bodos ofKokrajhar say no. The Bengali ghettos in Guwahati sayno. The Tiwas say no. The Cacharis say no. Will thesovereign government of Assam hand over their lands tothose guys? *** Here are too many assumptions for the question which forms your answer, to hold any water. Allow me to explain: First, you have assumed that the smaller indigenous groups of Assam, including the Bengali speaking ones who have lived in geographical Assam for generations will or most likely refuse to be a
