Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Funny, I've been flying at Camden for 25 years and can't place the location of that photo Was it taken on the north side of the 24 threshold? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Is that a polite way of saying lost? - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Queensland State Gliding Championships
Looks like it will be fun! I see at least 6 from interstate though! Tom From: Nigel Andrews n.andr...@andrewselectronic.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 1:46 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Queensland State Gliding Championships Hi All, Less than 3 weeks to go! Entries now exceeding 35 for the QLD State Comps which is great although club class could do with a few more, 18 metre is quite well represented with a good mix of gliders. Standard class also will be an interesting race. The largest numbers from one club are so far from Kingaroy with an excellent turnout (c’mon DDSC ) Not many coming from interstate (Two I think from memory, thanks Simon and Bruce) which is quite a bit down from previous years. Warwick is the closest club to travel to if coming from down south and all genuine interstate entries get a complimentary beer or glass of wine, or non-alcoholic beverage – weathers been great which you can view on the OLC, nearly every weekend some ones done over 300 Km’s with 3 x 400km’s from Warwick last month! If you are coming and haven’t registered could you do so now as we need to arrange tow planes and give Val an idea on how many she might have to cook for. http://statecomps11.warwickgliding.org.au/ Cheers Nigel Andrews The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Good pic for me to add to my collection of the two ES-60's. - Original Message - From: Kenneth Caldwell To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Thanks Ken, I knew you would know.. So my photo is the Foka 3, 1965 and fresh out of the crate. Derek, yes, in those days we flew off the grass on the north side of the 24/06 main strip. Graham On 5/09/2011 1:43 PM, Kenneth Caldwell wrote: Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au mailto:mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
A bit like ending up in Northern Australia. - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 5:08:27 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Is that a polite way of saying lost? - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Great photo Kenneth !!! Anymore? What about others with old photos out there, I'm sure the page could do with some colour. Gliders that is, not language. Patch. - Original Message - From: Kenneth Caldwell golflimaunif...@gmail.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 5 September, 2011 3:43:57 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net ] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
The aerodrome was quite different in those days. There was only one runway the sealed 06/24. There was a taxiway from the hangars to about the middle of the runway. The rest of the aerodrome was an overall grass field. there was a small tower with an airconditioned room on stilts. Glider launching was mainly by winch. We launched from the grass parallel to the bitumen on the northwest side and landed parallel to the bitumen on the other side. Powered aircraft had to give way to the landing gliders whose base leg crossed the approach path to the active runway. I once remember my instructor saying My aircraft! and throwing a 270 degree turn on base when it became obvious that a powered aircraft had not seen us. With an increase in powered traffic in the late sixties this plan of operation was becoming more and more impractical and when Miro Vitek became OIC Camden in 1969 or '70 he convinced the then DCA to build some grass runways so that we could completely separate the gliding and power circuits. So yes, the photo was taken from the launch point for 24. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Funny, I've been flying at Camden for 25 years and can't place the location of that photo Was it taken on the north side of the 24 threshold? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
I am afraid that aircraft is not our Foka 4 GUW. I only have photos of the wreck now and the colour layout is different, same comp. number or not. Also the ID Plate shows our being built in 1967... bit of a mystery really. I wish it was ours because it's a great photo. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Caldwell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 3:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Mike, perhaps the Gliding Federation of Australia Inc. maintainers of the registration and ownership of gliders records could be of assistance to your memory. - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I am afraid that aircraft is not our Foka 4 GUW. I only have photos of the wreck now and the colour layout is different, same comp. number or not. Also the ID Plate shows our being built in 1967... bit of a mystery really. I wish it was ours because it's a great photo. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Caldwell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 3:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b , including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details,
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Well, I wouldn't say lost. Maybe misplaced. It's such a crowded little country, isn't it? -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 5:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Is that a polite way of saying lost? - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; jar...@optusnet.com.au Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Peter Hanneman can't recall offhand where they bought the Foka but thinks it was an offshore purchase probably arranged by Werner Geisler. Johnny Blackwell might recall. Our 70 didn't have a stroke through the 7 and it was an Australian issued number but Peter thinks it could easily have been issued on the basis of the provenance of the aircraft. He wasn't flying in the aerobatic display but he was at South Cerney as the captain of the Irish team into which he and his friend Cohen were recruited as guest Irishmen. I recall Wally Wallington showing us the outlanding maps from that comp. The Aussies were always way out on their own because they weren't used to visual navigation over the crowded English landscape. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 12:28 AM To: jar...@optusnet.com.au; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Mike Timbrell' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.html If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy socialist propaganda scenes, there are some interesting moments showing the world comps in the 60b, including a Foka being rigged with the proper T-wrench. Regards Jarek ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Hey Chris, that's a bit bolshy considering I am looking at photos the original registration plate. Not much memory needed there. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher Mc Donnell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 7:08 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Mike, perhaps the Gliding Federation of Australia Inc. maintainers of the registration and ownership of gliders records could be of assistance to your memory. - Original Message - From: Mike Timbrell mailto:mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney I am afraid that aircraft is not our Foka 4 GUW. I only have photos of the wreck now and the colour layout is different, same comp. number or not. Also the ID Plate shows our being built in 1967... bit of a mystery really. I wish it was ours because it's a great photo. Mike From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Kenneth Caldwell Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 3:44 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Attached is a photo of the Foka, competition number 70, taken at the Seventh Australian National Gliding Championships held at Narromine (27th December 1966 - 9th January 1967). The Waikerie Boomerang is in the background. The Foka pilots were Jan Coolhaas and John Blackwell. Graham's photo is probably of Trevor Kyle's Foka 3 which he flew with Jan Coolhaas in the Sixth Nationals at Waikerie. Ken On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: No Graham, our Foka 4A had the reverse colouring. Mostly white with a burnt orange flash down the fuse. GUW. It was a beautiful thing to fly. I have now located the original identification plate. Build year 1967. Too bad, it would have been a good story. Mike -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Graham Watts Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 11:30 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Is this the one? I took this photo in 1965 or 1966 at Camden. George Detto in the cockpit if I remember. Graham On 4/09/2011 10:27 PM, Paul Mander wrote: Small world, Jarek. Having finally got to look at the footage, I see Foka IV, competition number 70. That was in 1965. In 1969 Mike Timbrell, a couple of other Sydney Tech Gliding Club members and I bought a Foka IV from the Bathurst Soaring Group, a syndicate of eight that included Merv Waghorn. They had owned the glider for a few years, so it must have been imported soon after 1965. It had competition number 70 on the fin, in exactly the same style as in the film. I think there is a strong chance that this is the same glider. I did my Silver and Gold flights in it, and thereby established some great friendships with members of the old Concordia Gliding Club during their camps at Forbes. We had that very rigging tool, never had a problem but one had to be careful with alignment. Sadly, the glider was written off in a take off accident; the Foka IV had huge spoilers, far too much drag for a mere Auster to overcome. It was an interesting glider, all wood, having no spar. It depended on its thick plywood skins for the wings' strength. We encountered glue problems which thereafter always lurked, in my mind at least. Might have been a good thing that it went. Apart from that, I've always thought it to be the best wooden glider ever made. Another connection; I was taken for my first glider flight in 1968 by Peter Hanneman, ex RAF Red Arrows and recent New Australian. What chance that he was flying one of the (?) Hawker Hunters in the Opening Day aerobatic display? Peter may even have had a hand in the glider's purchase and he lives in Bathurst. Mike Timbrell is in a position to check, and I'm sure he'll let us know. Thanks for the memories. Paul Mander -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jarek Mosiejewski Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011 6:44 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney Something about Fokas but on much happier note. Recently discovered in the archives, Polish propaganda movie about the 1965 World Comps in South Cerney from the Polish team perspective: http://www.flyingtv.pl/film,lotnictwo62,filmy-0,ile-10,samolot-415.htm l If you can bear the comments in Polish, a very slow server and lengthy
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Mike Burns
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Carney
Hey people, The place was called SOUTH CERNEY That's with an E not an A. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack
Title: Re: [CGClist] CGC Duty Roster Two Weeks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Re: [CGClist] CGC Duty Roster Two Weeks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] I thought Grinding the Crack might refer to the squirming ab initio student just before spin training. But no, thisaviator has balls of steel:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-kfeature=player_embedded Not a bad sound track either. Enjoy! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
Instrument and ease of use/accuracy: When I spoke to the Sales Manager at the DG Factory about the instruments we were fitting to our DG1000S 4-5 years ago, he expressed his opinion that the the 57mm items were not as accurate or as easy to maintain as the equivalent 80mm version made by the same instrument factory. (Miniaturization in mechanical devices is not as easy/reliable as it may be in electrical circuitry) I wasn't in a position to change our order and sure enough, when our two brand new 57mm Altimeters turned up, one of them was about 10hP (300ft) out on the subscale. It was fixed up under warranty but one has to ask the question; was it more susceptible to damage/loss of calibration during transit where-as perhaps the larger version may have travelled better? Of greater concern though, when the chips are down, the bigger instrument might just be that little bit quicker to locate, read and its vital information that much easier to process safely. Not important with the altimeter but perhaps a life saver when it comes to the ASI. This is particularly so with a club ACFT due to the higher utilisation by low time pilots where the club should be providing the safest option...particularly where this is also the cheaper option. Kind regards, Daryl Mackay ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Vario
Hi All I'm looking for a cheap, working mechanical vario to replace the one that died in my Kookaburra. While it is possible to thermal without one, it would be nicer and more reliable for the students (and for me) if we had one. Besides, the instrument panel is a little bare with just the ASI and Alt. Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fokas - South Cerney
At 20:34 5/09/2011, you wrote: Hey people, The place was called SOUTH CERNEY That's with an E not an A. Mike (Borgelt) Thanks Mike, I was beginning to wonder when somebody would pick that up! I was there for one day of the 1965 Worlds, having flown my first glider flight there 2 years previously on an Air Cadet Air Experience Day. I rode my push bike out from Bristol (about 55 km each way!) with a school mate, and fortunately not only was it a nice day but the previous day had been a Free Distance task and several competitors had overnight retrieves from as far away as Yorkshire, about 250 km - so the Saturday was a rest day. Lots of the gliders were doing some local soaring, and there was plenty to see. At that stage my mate and I were still not solo, but had signed on for an Air Cadet course which came up later in the year. My mate joined the RAF on leaving school, duxed his course at Cranwell and then spent his first 6 months flying Chipmunks with a University Air Squadron before getting a proper flying posting. Sadly, he was killed in an accident 6 years later over the North Sea, when his Jaguar strike aircraft hit the water in bad weather. I went on to become a science teacher and came to Australia in time to crew at the Waikerie World Championships. Tony Gaze (who had flown in the 1960 Worlds in Germany) was a member of the local gliding club which I later joined, and he recalls that the Aussie team found great difficulty navigating because they found it hard to adjust to the sun being in the south at midday. Also the Americans, after driving through the Cotswold villages of Stow on the Wold and Bourton on the Water, came across a sign saying Mud On The Road and thought it was another quaint English village name! Some of the people who were involved at South Cerney were also at Waikerie, both Australians and others. Wally Wallington directed both (SC as a Brit and WKI as an Australian) and later directed the Benalla Worlds in 1987. Dickie Feakes, who was British Team Captain in 73, is still active in gliding and I met him at Bicester in the UK last year. John Williamson flew in both contests, and later was Manager at Benalla for several years. Because of the distance, many of the imported gliders that flew at Waikerie were sold here after the comp, and a number of them are still flying 38 years later. Just reminiscing Wombat ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
OK to clarify my situation I have two small ones and want two large ones, is that ok? Ron On 5 September 2011 13:50, Daryl Mackay darylmac...@gmail.com wrote: Instrument and ease of use/accuracy: When I spoke to the Sales Manager at the DG Factory about the instruments we were fitting to our DG1000S 4-5 years ago, he expressed his opinion that the the 57mm items were not as accurate or as easy to maintain as the equivalent 80mm version made by the same instrument factory. (Miniaturization in mechanical devices is not as easy/reliable as it may be in electrical circuitry) I wasn't in a position to change our order and sure enough, when our two brand new 57mm Altimeters turned up, one of them was about 10hP (300ft) out on the subscale. It was fixed up under warranty but one has to ask the question; was it more susceptible to damage/loss of calibration during transit where-as perhaps the larger version may have travelled better? Of greater concern though, when the chips are down, the bigger instrument might just be that little bit quicker to locate, read and its vital information that much easier to process safely. Not important with the altimeter but perhaps a life saver when it comes to the ASI. This is particularly so with a club ACFT due to the higher utilisation by low time pilots where the club should be providing the safest option...particularly where this is also the cheaper option. Kind regards, Daryl Mackay ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack
Re: [CGClist] CGC Duty Roster Two Weeks [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]Balls of steel is understating it ! - Original Message - From: Peter Stephenson To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 10:20 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack I thought Grinding the Crack might refer to the squirming ab initio student just before spin training. But no, this aviator has balls of steel:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-kfeature=player_embedded Not a bad sound track either. Enjoy! -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
I for one only have people going from large to small. Actually people buying Altair are my best Winter customers in the last 3 years as they make room in the panel and can easily add $1500 to the cost of Altair package - something that is not often thought about!! There are issues with 57mm 1 or 1 1/2 rev ASIs where flaps are involved - I do remember Bruce Taylor in ASW22BE asked his face not have all the white flap mark crap numbers as it was cluttering the face and I would agree on this one. Ian McPhee 0428847642 . . On 5 September 2011 19:40, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, anybody out there want to swap two normal sized ASI for two small ones?? Ron Sanders ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
Anyone know where I can get a Winter Vario looked at, maybe Sydney? Tried someone in Brisbane but not confident. Would love to buy one of your B700's Mike but funds are a bit low. Also as I have a twin not sure how they go together. Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 9:24 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators I for one only have people going from large to small. Actually people buying Altair are my best Winter customers in the last 3 years as they make room in the panel and can easily add $1500 to the cost of Altair package - something that is not often thought about!! There are issues with 57mm 1 or 1 1/2 rev ASIs where flaps are involved - I do remember Bruce Taylor in ASW22BE asked his face not have all the white flap mark crap numbers as it was cluttering the face and I would agree on this one. Ian McPhee 0428847642 . . On 5 September 2011 19:40, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, anybody out there want to swap two normal sized ASI for two small ones?? Ron Sanders ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack
Already seen that. I believe 'grinding the crack' is a reference to what they had to do to remove the sh*t from his backside after clearing that ledge by centimetres. Balls of steel? More like a hole in his head where his brain should be. From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson Sent: Monday, 5 September 2011 10:20 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Grinding The Crack I thought Grinding the Crack might refer to the squirming ab initio student just before spin training. But no, this aviator has balls of steel:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWfph3iNC-kfeature=player_embedded feature=player_embedded Not a bad sound track either. Enjoy! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
Hi Grant If you find out I'm interested. Macca suggested i send my winter with a broken bottom pivot back to Germany but I was looking first to see if I can buy a cheap one locally to replace it. Parafield Instruments couldn't fix it. Shame - its a nice one with a log scale. -Cath On 06/09/2011, at 9:30 AM, Grant Davies wrote: Anyone know where I can get a Winter Vario looked at, maybe Sydney? Tried someone in Brisbane but not confident. Would love to buy one of your B700's Mike but funds are a bit low. Also as I have a twin not sure how they go together. Kindest Regards Grant Davies From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netmailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 9:24 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators I for one only have people going from large to small. Actually people buying Altair are my best Winter customers in the last 3 years as they make room in the panel and can easily add $1500 to the cost of Altair package - something that is not often thought about!! There are issues with 57mm 1 or 1 1/2 rev ASIs where flaps are involved - I do remember Bruce Taylor in ASW22BE asked his face not have all the white flap mark crap numbers as it was cluttering the face and I would agree on this one. Ian McPhee 0428847642 . . On 5 September 2011 19:40, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.commailto:resand...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, anybody out there want to swap two normal sized ASI for two small ones?? Ron Sanders ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Harry Medlicott
Hello, Can someone provide me with a phone number for Harry? Off list please... -- Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] airspeed indicators - reply to Ian
Ian, a lot of the Altair owners were referred to either Tasman or Borgelt for a needle variometer and most bought these - can't see why anyone would pay up to $1,500.00 for a winter mechanical package with no audio and still have to add a flask! Some like myself only use the Vega audio with no needle indication. Recently a friend of mine flew the Ventus and when he landed wanted to know where the vario needle was - sad. Nigel ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
At 10:15 AM 6/09/2011, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_741FE0F31EB34268BA51200F639C2494agilecomau_ Hi Grant If you find out I'm interested. Macca suggested i send my winter with a broken bottom pivot back to Germany but I was looking first to see if I can buy a cheap one locally to replace it. Parafield Instruments couldn't fix it. Shame - its a nice one with a log scale. -Cath If you like the log scale Winter take a good look at the B700. This started as request from a young Dutch pilot. Lots more useful than a Winter. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
At 10:50 PM 5/09/2011, you wrote: Instrument and ease of use/accuracy: When I spoke to the Sales Manager at the DG Factory about the instruments we were fitting to our DG1000S 4-5 years ago, he expressed his opinion that the the 57mm items were not as accurate or as easy to maintain as the equivalent 80mm version made by the same instrument factory. (Miniaturization in mechanical devices is not as easy/reliable as it may be in electrical circuitry) I wasn't in a position to change our order and sure enough, when our two brand new 57mm Altimeters turned up, one of them was about 10hP (300ft) out on the subscale. It was fixed up under warranty but one has to ask the question; was it more susceptible to damage/loss of calibration during transit where-as perhaps the larger version may have travelled better? Of greater concern though, when the chips are down, the bigger instrument might just be that little bit quicker to locate, read and its vital information that much easier to process safely. Not important with the altimeter but perhaps a life saver when it comes to the ASI. This is particularly so with a club ACFT due to the higher utilisation by low time pilots where the club should be providing the safest option...particularly where this is also the cheaper option. Kind regards, Daryl Mackay ___ If you are having trouble seeing and interpreting the small Winter ASI I suggest you get your eyes checked. The old PZL ASI for gliders apeeared to be a helicopter ASI. It was a truly great and well built instrument. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] airspeed indicators - reply to Ian
Currently on my third glider, l have never owned a mechanical vario - I seem to get by. :] I did get a 57mm ASI and Altimeter to go with the Altair/Tasman and Borgelt varios in the small option panel on the 29. [I still have a 57mm hole spare for future transponder if needed] Fitting in everything we want into panels is becoming an art-form. LS panels are smaller again! Tom From: Nigel Andrews n.andr...@andrewselectronic.com.au To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011 11:43 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] airspeed indicators - reply to Ian Ian, a lot of the Altair owners were referred to either Tasman or Borgelt for a needle variometer and most bought these - can't see why anyone would pay up to $1,500.00 for a winter mechanical package with no audio and still have to add a flask! Some like myself only use the Vega audio with no needle indication. Recently a friend of mine flew the Ventus and when he landed wanted to know where the vario needle was - sad. Nigel ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Vario
Hi Cathy, I sent a message of list about a 80mm PZL vario that I have, not sure if you got it. Regards, John Orton On 5 September 2011 21:13, Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.au wrote: Hi All I'm looking for a cheap, working mechanical vario to replace the one that died in my Kookaburra. While it is possible to thermal without one, it would be nicer and more reliable for the students (and for me) if we had one. Besides, the instrument panel is a little bare with just the ASI and Alt. Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Vario
Hi John Yes I got it thanks I'm trying to decide whether to send the broken winter to Germany for repair or buy a cheap second hand one. I've asked winter for a quote to repair and I though I'd see what else was out there. Will make a decision soon Thanks Cath Sent from my iPhone On 06/09/2011, at 2:09 PM, John Orton johno...@gmail.commailto:johno...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Cathy, I sent a message of list about a 80mm PZL vario that I have, not sure if you got it. Regards, John Orton On 5 September 2011 21:13, Catherine Conway mailto:con...@agile.com.aucon...@agile.com.aumailto:con...@agile.com.au wrote: Hi All I'm looking for a cheap, working mechanical vario to replace the one that died in my Kookaburra. While it is possible to thermal without one, it would be nicer and more reliable for the students (and for me) if we had one. Besides, the instrument panel is a little bare with just the ASI and Alt. Thanks Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netmailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
Hi Mike Thanks but no electrical system in the kooka (unless you count my handheld icom) _Cath On 06/09/2011, at 11:30 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 10:15 AM 6/09/2011, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_000_741FE0F31EB34268BA51200F639C2494agilecomau_ Hi Grant If you find out I'm interested. Macca suggested i send my winter with a broken bottom pivot back to Germany but I was looking first to see if I can buy a cheap one locally to replace it. Parafield Instruments couldn't fix it. Shame - its a nice one with a log scale. -Cath If you like the log scale Winter take a good look at the B700. This started as request from a young Dutch pilot. Lots more useful than a Winter. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Airspeed indicators
On 6 September 2011 10:02, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.comwrote: At 10:50 PM 5/09/2011, you wrote: Instrument and ease of use/accuracy: When I spoke to the Sales Manager at the DG Factory about the instruments we were fitting to our DG1000S 4-5 years ago, he expressed his opinion that the the 57mm items were not as accurate or as easy to maintain as the equivalent 80mm version made by the same instrument factory. (Miniaturization in mechanical devices is not as easy/reliable as it may be in electrical circuitry) I wasn't in a position to change our order and sure enough, when our two brand new 57mm Altimeters turned up, one of them was about 10hP (300ft) out on the subscale. It was fixed up under warranty but one has to ask the question; was it more susceptible to damage/loss of calibration during transit where-as perhaps the larger version may have travelled better? Of greater concern though, when the chips are down, the bigger instrument might just be that little bit quicker to locate, read and its vital information that much easier to process safely. Not important with the altimeter but perhaps a life saver when it comes to the ASI. This is particularly so with a club ACFT due to the higher utilisation by low time pilots where the club should be providing the safest option...particularly where this is also the cheaper option. Kind regards, Daryl Mackay __**_ If you are having trouble seeing and interpreting the small Winter ASI I suggest you get your eyes checked. The old PZL ASI for gliders apeeared to be a helicopter ASI. It was a truly great and well built instrument. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborgelt@borgeltinstruments.**commborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com __**_ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.**on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/**mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Just saying it is not ideal to have a smaller than generally accepted ASI for low time pilots in a club ACFT due general lack of currency on type. With 10,000+hrs on helicopters, with one ACFT having an odd ball French military70mm primary attitude indicator requiring a dispensation from the department, guess they have a problem with it too. If you can only fit one 80mm instrument into your panel, perhaps it should be the ASI? -- Kind regards Daryl Mackay ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
