Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
In the initial release it does not support failover or HA. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Moller, Doreen doreen.mol...@merck.com Sender: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:00:44 To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues,etc. (bes-admins@dataoutages.com)bes-admins@dataoutages.com Reply-To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by mixedmartialarts.com. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by mixedmartialarts.com. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Ok thanks very much. I guess they just wanted to get it out the door. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of joe_a_vie...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 2:48 PM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion In the initial release it does not support failover or HA. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Moller, Doreen doreen.mol...@merck.com Sender: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:00:44 To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues,etc. (bes-admins@dataoutages.com)bes-admins@dataoutages.com Reply-To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by mixedmartialarts.com. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by mixedmartialarts.com. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/ Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by mixedmartialarts.com. http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Yes we are using that here. We have 2700 users on it already and so far are very happy with it. We are using it for IOS devices only right now. They also have great training online in something called Mobile Iron University. I am in the process of learning it myself as it was deployed by other engineers in my group. Always been a BES gal but need to branch out :). -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
I am evaluating the use of Touchdown and Androids shortly, that's one of my next projects. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Peterson David Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:49 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Tell me what you hate about it? From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of steveaschett...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.commailto:david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.orgmailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.comhttp://Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We've been using MobileIron for over a year now. It has its quirks, but is pretty solid. You can't do away with the BES, you need to get on the Apple Developer Network to truly manage the IOS devices, and not having integrated email on the Android is a pain. But Touchdown has gotten a lot better, and the deployment seems to be much easier for users in the latest versions. Mike Pace Davis County I.S. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of steveaschett...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:59 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.commailto:david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.orgmailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.comhttp://Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
It seems they all do. The problem is that every carrier and every manufacturer customizes Android so much that it is near impossible to address all of the idiosyncrasies. So they all seem to have standardized on Touchdown. Of course, most allow you to skip Touchdown and just configure the exchange account separate from the MDM account. We use MaaS360 from Fiberlink. Not doing Touchdown though it would make activations easier. Managing Android is a PITA. I've been doing it for about a year, and am liking it less and less each day. While I am not a huge fan of Apple as a company, their iOS products are standard, stable and easily managed. No agent to install on the device for management; it is all based on certificate based encryption. On 4/4/12 10:48 AM, Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com wrote: We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it... Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync... From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of steveaschett...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.commailto:david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.orgmailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.comhttp://Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Good doesn't, but they use their own. Part of the problem with Android, and a big reason I'm not a fan of the platform in general is the fragmentation. Different UIs, some phones get an OS upgrade, others don't (and it's not just old ones), etc. At least with Blackberry, it is possible to load an OS not released by your carrier, and for iOS, Apple has complete control. Even for wav file voicemail playback, we have some Android devices that work fine, others that don't, and some that did work but stopped working after an OS update. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:10 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion It seems they all do. The problem is that every carrier and every manufacturer customizes Android so much that it is near impossible to address all of the idiosyncrasies. So they all seem to have standardized on Touchdown. Of course, most allow you to skip Touchdown and just configure the exchange account separate from the MDM account. We use MaaS360 from Fiberlink. Not doing Touchdown though it would make activations easier. Managing Android is a PITA. I've been doing it for about a year, and am liking it less and less each day. While I am not a huge fan of Apple as a company, their iOS products are standard, stable and easily managed. No agent to install on the device for management; it is all based on certificate based encryption. On 4/4/12 10:48 AM, Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com wrote: We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
I totally agree with all of these. We tested many Androids last year and didn't approve 99% of them as they all had their idiosyncracies that didn't fit without security and other requirements. I was kind of hoping having Touchdown would help mitigate some of that by providing a standard interface to Exchange to at least ensure consistent policies and ways of reporting. Is this wishful thinking? -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:10 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion It seems they all do. The problem is that every carrier and every manufacturer customizes Android so much that it is near impossible to address all of the idiosyncrasies. So they all seem to have standardized on Touchdown. Of course, most allow you to skip Touchdown and just configure the exchange account separate from the MDM account. We use MaaS360 from Fiberlink. Not doing Touchdown though it would make activations easier. Managing Android is a PITA. I've been doing it for about a year, and am liking it less and less each day. While I am not a huge fan of Apple as a company, their iOS products are standard, stable and easily managed. No agent to install on the device for management; it is all based on certificate based encryption. On 4/4/12 10:48 AM, Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com wrote: We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We are looking for an appliance to manage our ActiveSync devices. We have meet with Zenprise, and looked at their solutions. We just had a webinar with McAfee who apparently has a MDM solution as well. Not to different from the Zenprise solution. For android devices we have tested with the divide application to separate business data from personal data. Still looking to test the Fusion solution not from what I hear I might not like the licensing. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Dan Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:11 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it... Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync... From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com]mailto:[mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of steveaschett...@yahoo.commailto:steveaschett...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.commailto:david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.orgmailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We're getting ready to implement a solution from MobileIron. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Albert Estrada Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:44 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We are looking for an appliance to manage our ActiveSync devices. We have meet with Zenprise, and looked at their solutions. We just had a webinar with McAfee who apparently has a MDM solution as well. Not to different from the Zenprise solution. For android devices we have tested with the divide application to separate business data from personal data. Still looking to test the Fusion solution not from what I hear I might not like the licensing. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com]mailto:[mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Dan Baker Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:11 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it... Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync... From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com]mailto:[mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of steveaschett...@yahoo.commailto:steveaschett...@yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:59 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I hate Touchdown. IMO, that's not an integrated application for the Android... Its a seperate application that handles mail, contacts etc... From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.commailto:david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.orgmailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don’t care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I’ve attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I’ve attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don’t recall much of it… Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… inline: 875212B6-DE1E-416A-B033-FEE8CCC4D89F[105].png___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Art, does MaaS360 allow integration with Active Directory. I looked at the Apple Configurator but getting a Mac to use is harder than purchasing a MDM solution. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:05 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it... Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync... NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copy reproduction of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Has anyone looked at air-watch? David Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street, Providence, RI 02908 Office: 401-228-1332 Cell: 401-256-4933 Fax: 401-228-1388 www.hwinstitute.com Service. Innovation. Results. Sent from Blackberry - Original Message - From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:04 PM To: BES Admins List bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don’t care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I’ve attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I’ve attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don’t recall much of it… Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Not sure how you are going to make that happen as all of the new devices, including upcoming BB are using EAS. Hey, EAS is a lot more secure than BIS (for which we had to exclude all of the RIM IPs to get it stopped)! -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:D3741B85-CCA8-468A-8997-F3519A47A5B5] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… inline: 875212B6-DE1E-416A-B033-FEE8CCC4D89F[106].png___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We've got the Apple iPhone Configuration Utility running on Windows. Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.com -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:05 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it. Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync. #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Keep in mind that none of the MDM solutions that I know of have their own management. They just leverage the APIs provided by Google and Apple. So the only difference you are going to see is interface. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:E4E26076-8460-40C1-966B-3C099FA83E1C] On 4/4/12 11:43 AM, Albert Estrada estrad...@iehp.orgmailto:estrad...@iehp.org wrote: Not to different from the Zenprise solution. inline: 875212B6-DE1E-416A-B033-FEE8CCC4D89F[107].png___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
The iphone configuration utility is a separate utility from the Apple configurator. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:09 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We've got the Apple iPhone Configuration Utility running on Windows. Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.com -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:05 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it. Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync. #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copy reproduction of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
FYI, here are some links I used when I first started looking for MDM solutions. Interesting thing about the first link is that the guy who gathered the information actually works for airwatch (I think that’s right), but his comparison seems pretty unbiased to me and he shows a lot of information as you click through the tabs on the left of the screen. http://www.enterpriseios.com/wiki/Comparison_MDM_Providers The second link is from a guy who did his own investigation and ended up posting comparisons (including pricing). He mentions several vendors (Good, Trellia, Fiberlink MaaS360, Sophos, MobileIron and SOTI.net MobiControl). He doesn’t come across as very complimentary of MobileIron, but it looks like he may be from a smaller shop and pretty much stopped additional research when he saw initial pricing. I don’t think he was thinking past the first year costs or he might have been singing a different tune. There is also a post in this thread that has a link to the Gartner Magic Quadrant for MDM solutions. http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/171483-mobile-device-management-product-comparisons’ Some of the things I noticed that other vendors claim to offer that would be helpful are the Start On Date (think group acquisition here) and End On Date (think employee retirement here). If you could “set it” and “forget it”, that would be handy. Will at least give you an idea of what others are saying, and I think show that there are more folks out there looking. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of David.Ricci Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:09 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked at air-watch? David Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street, Providence, RI 02908 Office: 401-228-1332 Cell: 401-256-4933 Fax: 401-228-1388 www.hwinstitute.comhttp://www.hwinstitute.com Service. Innovation. Results. Sent from Blackberry - Original Message - From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org]mailto:[mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:04 PM To: BES Admins List bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com%3cmailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don’t care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I’ve attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I’ve attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don’t recall much of it… Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.commailto:supp...@hwinstitute.com. *** This email message and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity for whom it is addressed. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all paper and electronic copies of this message and its contents. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email or any file attachments is strictly prohibited. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Didn't realize that. Guess I'll have to look and see what that is. Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.com -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Albert Estrada Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:16 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion The iphone configuration utility is a separate utility from the Apple configurator. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:09 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion We've got the Apple iPhone Configuration Utility running on Windows. Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.com -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:05 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don't care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I've attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I've attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don't recall much of it. Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry's and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync. #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE: This message, together with any attachments, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential and prohibited from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or copy reproduction of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify the original sender immediately and delete this message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
We have Airwatch (probably chosen purely by cost). I don't administer it but from what I hear from those who do is that it is pretty underwhelming, not admin friendly and easy to defeat at least on iToys. From: David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com To: bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked at air-watch? David Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street, Providence, RI 02908 Office: 401-228-1332 Cell: 401-256-4933 Fax: 401-228-1388 www.hwinstitute.com Service. Innovation. Results. Sent from Blackberry - Original Message - From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:04 PM To: BES Admins List bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don’t care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I’ve attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I’ve attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don’t recall much of it… Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
This will be bettwre with the pure Google experience phones IMO. We approve Androids on a per device basis. The Galaxy Nexus is one that we've approved for example From: Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Good doesn't, but they use their own. Part of the problem with Android, and a big reason I'm not a fan of the platform in general is the fragmentation. Different UIs, some phones get an OS upgrade, others don't (and it's not just old ones), etc. At least with Blackberry, it is possible to load an OS not released by your carrier, and for iOS, Apple has complete control. Even for wav file voicemail playback, we have some Android devices that work fine, others that don't, and some that did work but stopped working after an OS update. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Art Alexion Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 11:10 AM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion It seems they all do. The problem is that every carrier and every manufacturer customizes Android so much that it is near impossible to address all of the idiosyncrasies. So they all seem to have standardized on Touchdown. Of course, most allow you to skip Touchdown and just configure the exchange account separate from the MDM account. We use MaaS360 from Fiberlink. Not doing Touchdown though it would make activations easier. Managing Android is a PITA. I've been doing it for about a year, and am liking it less and less each day. While I am not a huge fan of Apple as a company, their iOS products are standard, stable and easily managed. No agent to install on the device for management; it is all based on certificate based encryption. On 4/4/12 10:48 AM, Peterson David david.peter...@dinsmore.com wrote: We did, but not everyone is a fan of Touchdown, which is what they use for Android. -Original Message- From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Todd R. Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:47 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Has anyone looked into Mobile Iron for an MDM? We are going to be signing up with them here within the next month. They have Weekly webinars on Wednesday - and their product looks amazing and well built. Todd -Original Message- From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 4:40 PM To: BES Admins List Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion +1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is confidential, privileged, proprietary and protected from disclosure by applicable law. Any unauthorized review, use, duplication, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and immediately destroy all copies of this message, including electronic and hard copies. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com NOTICE
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
I did. For us, the main difference between AirWatch and MaaS360 is support. I got excellent support from Fiberlink during our trial and it continues. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer - Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development - Reply message - From: David.Ricci david.ri...@hwinstitute.com To: bes-admins@dataoutages.com bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Date: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 12:10 pm Has anyone looked at air-watch? David Ricci IS Manager The Health Wellness Institute 291 Promenade Street, Providence, RI 02908 Office: 401-228-1332 Cell: 401-256-4933 Fax: 401-228-1388 www.hwinstitute.comhttp://www.hwinstitute.com Service. Innovation. Results. Sent from Blackberry - Original Message - From: Art Alexion [mailto:a...@rhd.org] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:04 PM To: BES Admins List bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Using hosted MaaS360. Works extremely well with iOS. The same as everything else we tested for Android. For a free iOS solution, take a look at Apple Configurator. Free and robust, but I think it only runs on OS X. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:0CAD2309-8CED-4E0C-80B7-00F8E583466C] On 4/4/12 11:11 AM, Dan Baker dan.ba...@caemilusa.commailto:dan.ba...@caemilusa.com wrote: What does everyone use for MDM? I have Good Messaging from our Treo days that I was able to get reactivated for a minimal cost that we are testing with iPads and we don’t care for it, although it seemed to behave better on an Android tablet. I’ve attended one of the Mobile Iron weekly webinars and liked the management interface, and I’ve attended a webinar for MaaS360 by Fiberlink but don’t recall much of it… Who else is out there for MDM? We are looking to do away with our corporate owned Blackberry’s and take on a BYOD policy for email but want to limit use of ActiveSync… This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify our e-mail administrator at supp...@hwinstitute.com. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain" - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can't 'transfer' over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
This is my understanding as well. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:48 AM To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'; bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can't 'transfer' over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com]mailto:[mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey Notice: This e-mail message, together with any attachments, contains information of Merck Co., Inc. (One Merck Drive, Whitehouse Station, New Jersey, USA 08889), and/or its affiliates Direct contact information for affiliates is available at http://www.merck.com/contact/contacts.html) that may be confidential, proprietary copyrighted and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named on this message. If you are not the intended recipient, and have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete it from your system. ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
That is my understanding as well. Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Darhl Thomason darhl.thoma...@papamurphys.com Sender: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 06:47:34 To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'hurlb...@gwu.edu; bes-admins@dataoutages.combes-admins@dataoutages.com Reply-To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:48 AM To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'; bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can't 'transfer' over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
IMHO unregulated activesync is madness. From: Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. bes-admins@dataoutages.com Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you’re not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. From:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:48 AM To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'; bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can’t ‘transfer’ over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy’sInt'l. | d360-449-4044 | c360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.com From:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: “To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers.” So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Hi, On 3 April 2012 14:50, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.comwrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! Talk about a nightmare... so glad I've never had to be involved, but every single coworkers/colleague that has spoken of dealing with MS licensing has never had anything good to say about it. ** In all seriousness, you’re not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. Yup-Exactly! BlackBerry Mobile Fusion software is available as a free download and is priced by the number of devices being managed. Client access licenses (CALs) start at $99 per user or $4 per user per month (billed annually); volume discounts are also available. In addition, RIM is offering a 60 day free trial, so customers can deploy a pilot before purchasing a single CAL. The 60 day free trial is available at https://www.blackberry.com/eBES/trialOrder.do?id=121.; That paragraph comes from the press release that is floating all over the net today. The only real clarification I'm wondering is that are these CALs universal in Fusion? As in, I don't have to have a separate set of CALs for PB/BB10 devices, and another for Android, and another for iOS. It just doesn't matter what platform I support, they are all just $99 fixed or $4/month and you can run whatever you want and re-use them within the platform depending on how your business grows or adapts going forward. That's what it looks like, but wondering if anyone else can confirm? So tired of keeping track of phones, users, accounts manually, one day.. one day.. -- Jesse Tie-Ten-Quee ( highos at highos dot com ) ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
It was the Micro$oft licensing in particular that I was referring to :-) Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Barker Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:50 AM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:48 AM To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'; bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can't 'transfer' over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
Isn't the old joke Ask 3 people at Microsoft a licensing question, get 4 answers? From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Barker Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:50 PM To: A list for BES Admin's to discuss issues, etc. Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you're not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Darhl Thomason Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:48 AM To: 'hurlb...@gwu.edu'; bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion OK, so: BB10 = Fusion CAL iPhone = Fusion CAL Android = Fusion CAL BB7 below = BES CAL Is that right? And if I have someone on a BB today using a BES CAL and they move to an iPhone tomorrow, then I have to get a Fusion CAL, I can't 'transfer' over the BES CAL? Licensing is so confusing! d Darhl Thomason | SysAdmin | Business Technology Papa Murphy's Int'l. | d 360-449-4044 | c 360-607-5617 | www.papamurphys.comhttp://www.papamurphys.com From: bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com [mailto:bes-admins-boun...@dataoutages.com] On Behalf Of Jason Hurlburt Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:36 AM To: bes-admins@dataoutages.commailto:bes-admins@dataoutages.com Subject: Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion I went to one of their sales pitches about Fusion last month - Fusion server is going to support BB10 phones, BES will not. So you need a CAL for Fusion for BB10 phones, otherwise you need a CAL for the BES for older phones. If I understood it correctly (and maybe I didn't, they weren't very clear) Fusion is going to act as a central management point for various services: Android, iOS, BB10, and BES (for older phones). On 4/3/2012 9:12 AM, Darhl Thomason wrote: From the Mobile Fusion page http://us.blackberry.com/business/software/mobilefusion/: To manage BlackBerry smartphones with BlackBerry Mobile Fusion, BlackBerry Enterprise Sever v5.0.3 or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express v5.0.3 is required. Ensure your organization is taking advantage of the full capabilities of BlackBerry Mobile Fusion by upgrading your BlackBerry Enterprise Server or BlackBerry Enterprise Server Express to v5.0.3. Upgrade your BlackBerry Enterprise Server before March 30, 2012 to take advantage of limited-time offers. So I already bought a BES CAL, if I want to use Mobile Fusion for the people that want to stay on BB instead of migrating to iPhone or Android I have to buy another CAL for Mobile Fusion? #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey ___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.commailto:Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com #1 Rated Pizza Chain - ZAGAT 2010 2011 National Restaurant Chains Survey NOTICE: This electronic mail transmission from the law firm of Dinsmore Shohl may constitute an attorney-client communication that is privileged at law. It is not intended for transmission to, or receipt by, any unauthorized persons. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying it, and notify the sender by reply e-mail, so that our address record can be corrected.___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
+1 for Microsoft Licensing being confusing. Even most of their employees don't understand it. We have a hosted MDM solution now. I was intrigued by Mobile Fusion until I did the numbers. With Mobile Fusion, cost includes BES + CALs + Server associated costs, hardware, configuration and maintenance + Support contract which is priced somewhat on the number of devices being managed. Some of these costs are long term, like BES, one time, like CALs, and others continuing, like the support contract. With the hosted MDM, we pay per device. per month. No up front BES, no CALs, no server hardware, no maintenance, and support is included. Mobile Fusion may work for you, but when you factor in all of the costs, maybe not. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:4841505C-75CB-4B86-8ABF-73508942A32C] On 4/3/12 2:50 PM, Jonathan Barker jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.commailto:jonathanbar...@quinnemanuel.com wrote: Confusing? Try licensing any Microsoft product at an enterprise level! In all seriousness, you’re not being strong-armed into a Fusion CAL for BlackBerry OS 10 devices as they will support ActiveSync out of the box much like Playbook OS 2.0. Fusion will provide a better way of dealing with mobile devices than unregulated ActiveSync connections. inline: 875212B6-DE1E-416A-B033-FEE8CCC4D89F[100].png___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
Re: [Bes-admins] Mobile Fusion
How is this interpreted? Buy a CAL for $99 and it is yours permanently, or you can rent a CAL for $4/month, perpetually? Confused. -- Art Alexion Systems Engineer -- Infrastructure Engineering Group Resources for Human Development [cid:2A384E09-4322-4092-81A7-D5198ACDA4F5] On 4/3/12 3:46 PM, Jesse Tie-Ten-Quee hig...@highos.commailto:hig...@highos.com wrote: Client access licenses (CALs) start at $99 per user or $4 per user per month (billed annually); inline: 875212B6-DE1E-416A-B033-FEE8CCC4D89F[101].png___ Bes-Admins mailing list Bes-Admins@dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutages.com/mailman/listinfo/bes-admins http://www.dataoutages.com http://www.dataoutagenews.com RSS Feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/Bes-admins - Bes-Admins mailing list is sponsored by Dataoutagenews.com. http://www.dataoutagenews.com
