Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw

[Johnson, Oneta]

Well I never would have thought of that. I keep benedryl for the dogs.
Will try that. 

Oneta Johnson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dayna Denmark
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 4:24 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw

Oneta,
I had exactly the same situation last year. Young lamb with one side of
her 
face swollen. Cecil suggested it might be a sting from a yellowjacket
and 
said to give the lamb benadryl. I gave the lamb 1 tablet. The swelling
was 
gone by the next day.


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Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw

[Johnson, Oneta]

Ok I have a question. I have  a 4 month old ewe that we were pretty sure
got stung by a scorpion. The side of her cheek is swollen. It was huge
at first, we gave her a tetanus shot and antibiotics. It has gone down
almost all the way but a small amount is still swollen. She has never
stopped eating and is bright eyed and healthy looking. Any ideas on this
front. I have seen bottle jaw so we ruled that out when this happened.
Thanks. oj

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peg
Haese KB9LIE
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 2:47 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] swollen jaw

Elaine, this sounds a lot like "bottle jaw." One of the associated
symptoms is that it goes away when the sheep is lying down. It comes
back when the sheep has its head down grazing or eating. This is fluid
accumulation, so you can see why it would come and go depending on the
head position. 

It is usually due to a heavy load of barberpole worms. Here's a good
description: http://www.sheep101.info/sheepdiseases.html under "worms
and more worms."

This can really be serious. The lambs' nursing means she is giving all
her resources to them, not to herself to fight this off. A good drench
worming would be the first choice of treatment if she were mine. Have
you talked to your vet or done a fecal?

Peg Haese in SW Wisconsin USA
PNP Katahdins and commercial woolflock

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It's just strange that it shows up and then goes away. Has anyone else
ever experienced this or know what may be causing it? 


   


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[blackbelly] lambs for sale.

[Johnson, Oneta]

If interested please contact me on my home email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I currently have a few yearlings and several lamb. All horn genetics.
Barbados and Mix's. Priced 50.00 to 100.00. Contact for more details.

Oneta Johnson
McLoud, OK

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[blackbelly] QUESTION AND HELP

[Johnson, Oneta]

Our 2 orphan babies are about 3 months old and we have had them with the
other lambs for about 2 weeks. Even with all the crazy rain they have
been doing great. I noticed that the smallest of the 2 was limping on
Monday so I separated him and put him in a small pen. I think and hope
it is do to the deep mud they have been having to deal with. We have had
about 10 inches in 2 weeks in McLoud OK and have been flooding like
crazy.  Last night the other twin was acting upset so I put him in with
his brother. This am he seemed to have stiff, sore back legs. Could they
be lacking something that the lambs got from their mommas. Has anyone
who have dealt with orphans seen something like this or with lambs that
have had a bad start. They are eating and drinking well. I am checking
their feet tonight to make sure I did not miss anything but I am open to
all suggestions. Thanks oj in McLoud

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Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses

[Johnson, Oneta]

My sheep run with the horses. I have more problems with my ram harassing
the horses than vise versa. 

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cecil Bearden
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 8:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses

I had a 4 yr old QH mare with my sheep and she injured 3 ewes, chased 
one down and caused her to go into labor during one of the coldest 
nights we had this winter, she did not survive.  Then this mare bit the 
top of the head out of a lamb and ate it.It is only by the grace of 
God and my gun not being handy  that I did not kill this mare on 
sight.I still have her if anyone is interested in a sheep killer.   
Before this I had a Morgan Mare and Gelding with the sheep all the time 
and never had any problems with them or dogs or coyotes.   My Morgan 
Mare is gone now, but the Gelding is still here 

I had 2 donkeys with the sheep but they killed 2 lambs by stomping them.
  It depends on the horse. 
All horses are crazy, some more than others.  

Cecil in OKla


Christine Handley wrote:
> I had a QH mare that used to be with my sheep and goats. She was
wonderful, 
> the kids and lambs would run all around and under her. The older bucks
would 
> pasture with her and they would rub on her.
> Now she is gone and I have another QH mare, who I think would be okay
with 
> them, but my other mare , an Appy , absolutely hates any intruders.
> So I would be very hesitant to put the sheep or goats out with them.
>
> I think the QH have a natural liking for cattle and other herd
animals. 
> Whereas, Appaloosas, I have found are kind of "different". So far I
have 
> found that they have "quirky" personalities.
>
> Chris in Ontario.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chris & Eileen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:57 PM
> Subject: [blackbelly] Sheep and Horses
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone keep other animals, particularly horses, in with their
sheep
>> herds? My interest in sheep partially comes from my desire for
>> companionship for my horse. Any problems with the rams and the other
>> animals?
>> Thanks,
>>  Eileen
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Re: [blackbelly] postings[MESSAGE NOT SCANNED]

[Johnson, Oneta]

If you ever need help with stolen horses, sheep, etc let me know. Would
be more than happy to post to my frineds. My home email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] as it has been noted we are not to post to the group
unless is sheep related.  Thanks oneta

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of john
& judy
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:27 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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NOTHING WRONG WITH POSTING FOR SOMEONES STOLEN ANIMALS. I HAVE SHEEP,
MINI
HORSES AND BIG HORSES. I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE CARED ENOUGH TO POST FOR
MINE IF
THEY WERE STOLENJUDY
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From: "The Wintermutes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] postings


I believe stolen livestock is a relevant topic Oneta.

I had two ewes stolen from my barnyard from lighted locked pens last
year.
And my dog was killed for apparently protecting my sheep.  I am
interested
in how others deal with this situation.  I am looking for another dog
but it
takes usually years (at least if it is a puppy) to get a dog that can
handle
serious threats and realize the sheep are "his" property!

I had some people get upset when I refused to sell them some breeding
ewes
right before my ewes were stolen.  I wish I had gotten their name and
address now!

Coyotes are easy compared to two legged varmints!

Mark Wintermute












I am sorry if I offended anyone on the list for posting about the stolen
horse.  Thanks. Oneta in OK


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Re: [blackbelly] postings[MESSAGE NOT SCANNED]

[Johnson, Oneta]

If you need help in that area post to me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would 
be more than pass the info to my friends, however I have been informed by Carol 
she does not like the info for anything but blackbelly so I will not post to 
the group unless I have sheep concerns. I however believe we all need to work 
together and would be more than happy to even put info out to my friends. 
Thanks Oneta


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The Wintermutes
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:06 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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I believe stolen livestock is a relevant topic Oneta.

I had two ewes stolen from my barnyard from lighted locked pens last year.
And my dog was killed for apparently protecting my sheep.  I am interested
in how others deal with this situation.  I am looking for another dog but it
takes usually years (at least if it is a puppy) to get a dog that can handle
serious threats and realize the sheep are "his" property!

I had some people get upset when I refused to sell them some breeding ewes
right before my ewes were stolen.  I wish I had gotten their name and
address now!

Coyotes are easy compared to two legged varmints!

Mark Wintermute 












I am sorry if I offended anyone on the list for posting about the stolen
horse.  Thanks. Oneta in OK


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[blackbelly] postings

[Johnson, Oneta]

I am sorry if I offended anyone on the list for posting about the stolen horse. 
I thought I was helping out as many of my horse friends pass on sheep 
legislation to try and help out. Please forgive me for upsetting anyone. I will 
try and keep my different animal postings to those that deal with each animal. 
Thanks. Oneta in OK


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[blackbelly] Stolen Horse Captured Hearts of Black Hawk College Equestrian Participants

[Johnson, Oneta]

I know a lot of the sheep people on this list are horse people or just
great animal lovers. Please pass this info on. Thank you. OJ in OK


 *NetPosse.com/Stolen Horse International, Inc.*

*PRESS RELEASE - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*

* *

*For more information, contact: Debi Metcalfe*

*PO Box 1341**, Shelby***, NC*** 28151***

704-484-2165, Cell: 704-472-4314

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*, 
**www.netposse.com* 
***

 

Stolen Horse Captured Hearts of Black Hawk College*** Equestrian 
Participants
Radio interview with Debi Metcalfe of Stolen Horse International yields 
$1000 reward for information leading to the recovery of Black Hawk 
College mare.***

* *

March 26, 2007 - Kenwanee IL - Thieves must have known exactly what 
they wanted when they crept onto a college campus on March 10, 2007. 
Sizzle, a strawberry red roan Quarter Horse mare, was stolen from Black 
Hawk College in Kewanee, Ill. Three people were seen on a surveillance 
video stealing the icon for the Black Hawk Equestrian program from her 
stall. 

 

There are thousands of horses stolen each year in the United 
States. The vast majority of the people think that horse theft went out 
with the "old west days" ... if they give it any thought at all. 

 

Donna Irwin, a professor in Equine Science, says present and former 
students are stunned and upset at the theft of this well-loved
horse.

 

"Sizzle is the best college horse that we have ever had. She has 
been an icon of our program. She jumps, does equitation, horsemanship, 
trail, rail and barrels," says Irwin.

 

"She has been a huge asset to our program, especially to beginner 
and intermediate riders. Sizzle is also a wonderful asset to the 
Equestrian Team. We have used her in the program for at least 13 years, 
and she has assisted over 500 students. There is no monetary value that 
can be linked to her educational value."

 

Sizzle can be easily identified not only for her color but she is 
one of the lucky horses and carries her own ID. Sizzle has a "Z" hot 
brand on her left hip that will be easy to see. 

 

There is only speculation on who would do something like this, but 
the people at Black Hawk College, Stolen Horse International and in the 
equine communities are doing everything they can to get her home. 

 

"In the summer, Sizzle has been used as a 4-H family horse. We truly

love her and are hopeful for her safe return," commented Irwin.

 

Debi Metcalfe, founder of Stolen Horse International, appears on a 
weekly radio spot with Tom Seay of RFDTV's Best of America by Horseback 
show. During the show Mr. Seay offered a $1000 reward to help bring 
Sizzle home. The $1000 reward offered by Best of America by Horseback is

independent of and has no connection to any reward or monies being 
offered by any other persons or organizations.

 

At Stolen Horse International, our favorite quote is, "Never 
underestimate the power of one!" It only takes one person to forward an 
email, post a flyer or make a phone call. If you would like to help, a 
flyer can be downloaded from the organization's Web site: 
www.netposse.com 
. 
Just click on "view stolen horses" and then locate Sizzle listed in 
Illinois or go directly to her website 
http://netposse.com/stolenmissing/sizzleILmarch07.htm

 

For more information on Stolen Horse International and its programs,

visit the website at www.netposse.com 
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Re: [blackbelly] market for sheep skulls

[Johnson, Oneta]

I use eBay a lot. Get a lot of my horse equipment, college books, etc.
there. I also sell some. I use Papal only to buy and sell. You have a
safety net that way. They will take care of you. I have had to file one
time through pay pal and they got it fixed.  I have never sold a skull
though.  For one thing, how do you clean it up. I will be butchering one
here pretty soon and was going to let them toss it. Now I will keep it
and the rug too.

Now my question is. How do I clean the skull and how do I prepare the
hide to ship for tanning. I also need some places that do tanning. I do
not think we have any here in Oklahoma. Everyone I talked to said they
ship or do it themselves. Any ideas. OJ in OK

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[blackbelly] orphaned lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

Wanted to let everyone know that the 2 lambs are doing great. They are
fighting for the bottles now.  They have been named Jerry and Dean. We
are waiting for it to warm up enough they can play outside some. They
are gaining wgt and play with food and hay. Thank you all for all your
help and for the emails checking on them. This is a great group of
people. Oneta in way to cold Oklahoma.
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[blackbelly] Help for puppies

[Johnson, Oneta]

Need help.  We have 2 puppies that are in need of new homes or we will have to 
put them to sleep.  They are great with kids, cats, other dogs, horses.  Can 
not be around sheep/goats or other small livestock. KC will be a year old this 
month (February) and is ½ border collie and ½ red heeler.  Would make a great 
pet or for anyone that does agility, she is a great prospect and loves to 
please. She could also be a good cadaver dog.  Border collies usually do well 
in it.  Wendy was a year old in December.  She is a blue heeler mix.  She loves 
kids and would be a wonderful pet.  The problem is they are harassing the sheep 
and chased one of my ewes until she fell and broke her neck. They have never 
bothered the horses or their foals and get along with the barn cats and the 
older dogs.  They have to stay in a small kennel and it is driving them crazy 
but I can not trust to let them run.  They are both spayed and up on all shots. 
 If anyone is interested or knows of anyone interested, please pass this along. 
 I have spent a lot of time with these girls and can not stand putting them to 
sleep but that is the direction they are heading.  Thanks to all. Oneta in 
Oklahoma  [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 4052095493 cell.
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[blackbelly] info on restraint

[Johnson, Oneta]

Has anyone purchased the Deck Chair from premier. Does it work better
than other types of restraints. If I have to do much by myself I tie my
guys up. Not the happiest of campers but it works. Would like something
a little easier on us all. My ram hates to wear a halter. He thinks it
is not manly enough. oj
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Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

Hey sorry about the lambs. I am glad my guy gets along with his kids as
I seem to have more rams.  I will be glad to get our tractor supply
open. We only have an Atwood's. I keep the replacer on hand, not sure of
the brand. Atwood's started carrying the Pritchard nipples so I have
been keeping some on hand.  Since you're in OK do you have any idea of a
good feed that would be good for them to nibble on that I can get around
here? I am about 30 e of OKC.  We let them out last night while I was at
the barn. They cuddled with some of my other lambs that I have out.
They do not really want the bottle but they are drinking what we are
getting in them.  If it ever warms up will fix them in the horse barn
with a light.  
I never thought of a cushion.  I will have to see if I have an old one
around or maybe and old pillow.  One of them is a still crying a lot.  I
swear he is yelling "momma".  Gets to you.  Thanks for all the info from
everyone. Appreciate all info.  oj

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Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. I feed alfalfa pellets w/whole corn.  Would the pellets be ok for
them to nibble on. oj

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Re: [blackbelly] orphaned lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

Well I guess we are ahead of the game some. I have sheep drench, the
nipples and bottles and we have kept sheep replacer as it is so hard to
get around here. They were breathing well just upset so we will keep an
eye on that.  I am going to read the bummer lamb thing again. 3 years, I
need a refresher.  It is to cold and crazy, we are suppose to get more
nasty stuff, so they will stay in right now. Had not thought of diapers.
We put them on the dogs when we travel so we will just have to get some
for them. Any more good ideas as I am open ears. Thanks oj

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[blackbelly] orphaned lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

Well we are going to be short 2 dogs.  Our pups killed one of our ewes
last night. Broke her neck. She has 2, 7 day old ram lambs.  They are
very traumatized and have not wanted to eat. They are in the house and
we are trying to get them to bottle feed. We have only had one other
bottle baby and he is almost 3 now.  Help. I am hoping they will get
hungry and start eating but is there anything else we can do.  Need info
from all you old timers. I still consider my self a newbie when it comes
to the BB's.  Thanks. Oneta

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[blackbelly] blackbelly lgd

[Johnson, Oneta]

Posting for a friend whose computer has died.

 

Only 3 are left. Best of two breeds combined.  Anatolian/Great Pyrenees
born October 1, 2006.  2 males & 1 female are left.   Have great
personalities and raised with horses.  Asking 100.00. Call Sandra at
405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK. Pictures available.


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Re: [blackbelly] How to post messages to the list

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. I have been sending plain text with no cc's etc.  My msg I have been
trying to post had this.  


*Subject:  Blackbelly LGD

*Msg was*
.

*Posting for a friend whose computer has died.

*Only 3 are left. Best of two breeds combined.  Anatolian/Great
*Pyrenees born October 1, 2006.  2 males & 1 female are left.   Have
*great personalities and raised with horses.  Asking 100.00. Call
*Sandra at 405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK. Pictures available.


Oneta Johnson
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What was wrong that it was rejected.  I have tried different things and
have to rely on replies.  As I said I do plain text. Only the bb email,
no cc's, etc.  Help.  Ps I am sending like this in case someone else
needs the info. If there is more I will send private. oj

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Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep

[Johnson, Oneta]

I am having all kinds of problems post an email for a friend that has
some LDG puppies.  I keep getting told it has a suspicious header. I
have found if I do not reply on emails I can almost never get one
posted. Is anyone else having this problem.

Oneta Johnson
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:12 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Weigh Sling for adult sheep

Mary, thanks for the link. That would be a great price, but there is 
no photo of this sling available on Mid-States' Web site. Is your 
sling adjustable at all? Here is a link to one at Jeffers. How does 
Mid-States' sling differ from Jeffers' sling?

http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2&mscssid=1V25R1KE37
6G9G7U7NNHCT02QU79D0AC

Carol


At 09:18 AM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
>Carol,
>
>Mid-States Livestock Supply (out of Hutchinson, Kansas) has a very
>nice adult sheep "weigh sling" for just $16.00.
>
>I think their web site is www.midstateswoolgrowers.com or something
like that.

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Re: [blackbelly] update on starving sheep

[Johnson, Oneta]

How can  you miss all those dead sheep. They are everywhere in the
pictures.  Terrible.  Why not take them to an auction and sell them if
nothing else. I do not understand people like that. I hope when its his
time to go he gets forgotten also. I will do without before my guys do.
Oneta in OK


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:31 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] update on starving sheep

Friday's issue of Tulsa World contained the following update about 
the starving Barbado. They have a link to photos and warn that the 
photos are very graphic. I don't have the courage to look at them. 
The article also includes a way to send contributions to the Craig 
County Sheriff Office to help with the costs of caring for the sheep. 
Here's the link to the online article 
(http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=070119_Ne_A1_Owner1767). 
I've copied it below as well.

Owner did not starve sheep, attorney says
By ROD WALTON World Staff Writer
1/19/2007


Slideshow: Watch a slideshow of photos taken at the property.
Editor's note: The images are graphic. www.tulsaworld.com/deadsheep

VINITA -- The surviving sheep in a Bluejacket rancher's herd were 
eating and drinking Thursday, one day after investigators found them 
among dozens of carcasses of sheep that allegedly starved to death.

The rancher's attorney, however, argued Thursday that David Bradley 
Bell did not starve his sheep and that his losses were not unexpected 
for a type of animal moved from south Texas in the last year.

"He strenuously refutes any allegation that he wasn't feeding the 
animals or not taking care of them," Vinita attorney Jot Hartley 
said. "It's no advantage to Mr. Bell having a single animal die. He 
paid for those animals."

Bell, 46, faces potential animal cruelty and neglect counts in Craig 
County, according to reports. He was jailed Wednesday and later 
released on $5,000 bail.

Craig County Sheriff's deputies and state investigators who served a 
search warrant at one of his properties Wednesday made a gruesome 
discovery -- stacks of dead sheep in barns, on a porch and strewn 
across a pasture. Some carcasses were decomposed enough to have been 
dead several weeks, authorities said.

"This problem had been going on a long time," said local veterinarian 
Justin Roscoe. "Our biggest concern now is we're taking care of the
animals."

The Barbado sheep were receiving hay and water Thursday, and many 
appeared to be eating fine, the veterinarian said. Other animals, 
however, had died since the Wednesday discovery.

"We're still trying to assess how many we have," Roscoe added.

Craig County Assistant District Attorney Jim Ely said he could not 
file charges against Bell until the Sheriff Office's final report was 
sent his way. If charged and convicted of animal cruelty or other 
counts, Bell could be sentenced up to five years in prison and/or 
fined $5,000.

"It's going to take a while," Ely said of the criminal investigation. 
"I'm anticipating filing charges."

Bell was unavailable for comment. His attorney, however, noted that 
his client, who moved to the Bluejacket area from west Texas several 
years ago, was a highly respected rancher in the county.

Hartley also defended Bell's care of the animals, arguing that the 
family had just fed the sheep that morning.

"Autopsies will show they had food in them," the defense attorney 
said. "I challenge the authorities to do that."

Should the case go to trial, Hartley added, he could call other 
ranchers who experienced similar death rates among their herds in the 
first year in a new climate. He noted that Bell had to deal with a 
15-inch snow in December and the recent ice storm.

"I don't know if they'll lock up every sheep producer in Craig 
County, but if they put them under the same microscope as Mr. Bell, 
they may have a full jail," Hartley said.

Undersheriff B.J. Floyd, however, noted that authorities received 
numerous complaints from Bell's neighbors about skinny cattle or 
sheep during the past year.

They investigated several of the cattle complaints but found nothing 
to charge Bell with, he added.

The neighbors later complained that Bell's sheep were trespassing 
over to their properties and eating their wheat fields, Floyd said. A 
month-long investigation culminated in Wednesday's visit to the farm.

The undersheriff said he was as surprised as anyone about the 
discovery. He considers Bell a law-abiding citizen who is well-liked 
in much of the community.

Investigators also served a search warrant Thursday at the property 
where Bell lives, just south of the previous site. The sheep found 
there were healthy, Floyd said.

"They're a good family," the undersheriff said. "It's not like they 
are thugs."

Yet seeing the dozens of carcasses is hard to grasp, he admitted.

"Ev

Re: [blackbelly] Sheep liquidation

[Johnson, Oneta]

Cecil. Please put me on the list to contact when you are ready. I would
only want one or two and that will depend on this crazy weather also.
Watching the weather right now and it looks like your getting stuff. I
am about an hour east so we are waiting and waiting. Been trying for
almost 2 weeks to go get a load of my hay by Anadarko and it is not
working with these roads.  Stay safe. Oneta in OK

Oneta Johnson
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Cecil Bearden
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 5:17 AM
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I will be selling about 50 head of my flock this spring.  I just cannot 
keep up with the work it has taken to lamb 70 ewes in this $^%&**#  
weather.   I have raised all of them and they are not registered, but 
good healthy stock.  If there are any problems ewes they will go to the 
sale barn or the freezer, not another list member. 

You all know I have taken excellent care of my sheep and I have taken 
pains to make sure they are sound animals.  I just cannot keep up with
them.

Here is your chance to get some good stock.

Cecil in OKla


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Re: [blackbelly] Record Keeping

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have noticed my first timers seem to have smaller lambs and they seem
to stay smaller.  I have also waited for the second lambing before I
decide if they are going to be keepers or not. I do not know if that is
a good way to do it or not but I must say I use a lot of my info from
the horses to help with the sheep. The biggest support system I have on
my sheep is this list.  I keep a lot of the emails saved and print out a
lot to use for just in case.  Since I only have a very small heard I do
not keep records like a lot as I am breeding for meat for my family and
sell to people close by for meat and have sold a few lambs to be used at
a cutting facility.  Please keep the info coming. I have had the sheep
for several years now and I keep learning with every email.  Thanks for
being such a varied and informative group. Oneta in OK

PS.  This group email is what helped save our bailey boy who by the way
is doing great even in this crazy icy, soon to be deep snow weather. 

Oneta Johnson
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Mark,
This is purely conversational, so don't think for a moment I am arguing 
or disagreeing with you.

There are two things that I find very very frustrating about being in 
the Am. Blackbelly breed; the first is that as a newcomer to the breed, 
I found that there is no repository anywhere for blackbelly performance 
data.  That means that I had to grope around trying to figure out what 
to expect from my sheep.  In my experience with the breed I've had 
anything from 55 pound yearlings to 111 pound yearlings.  A difference 
of nearly 100% in long term gain is, I believe statistically 
significant.  I have no idea what "average" means for the breed, and I 
am striving to find out what "excellent" for the breed means.  I hope in

the long run that all my breeding stock will be at least above 
"average," if not "excellent." In other words, what IS it possible to 
achieve, without going outside the breed?  Nobody knows, because as far 
as I can tell, nobody is sharing their data, nobody is collecting it for

the greater good of the breed.  So, figuratively speaking, the buck 
starts here.  Anybody on the list is free to look at what I share of my 
own livestock's performance and say, "well I can't find any data 
anywhere else, so I may as well use this as a starting point."  That is 
what I did...I found one website on the entire internet that gave some 
expected performance parameters.  For that starting point, I am forever 
grateful.

The second problem that seems to plague the Am. Blackbelly is low value.

It is hard to market the animals for a fair price.  I think that is 
partly because we are offering non-uniform small animals that haven't 
been selected for good performance, i.e. growing a lamb large enough to 
be acceptable in an economically viable period of time.  As far as 
breeding stock goes, it is difficult to find a new ram with history of 
his mother, his father, his numerical birth status, his weight gains. 
He can be a lamb-getter, but how does the prospective buyer know what 
sort of lambs he will get?

My good "performers" last year were out of good performers.  The 
littlest guys were out of very small ewes.  Please look at the stretch 
between weaning weights, even when birth weights are similar; as much as

13 pounds difference over a period as short as eight weeks.  That is 
over 30% difference, a very, very statistically significant number.  If 
the spread was maybe 3-5 pounds, you could forgive the difference. 
Since most of the gain was on grass, for me, most of it was free. 
Between the mother's milking ability and the lamb's ability to thrive at

grass, I am starting to build the flock I want.  I think the ability to 
grow good lambs at grass is going to become more and more important as 
corn acreage is taken out of livestock feed production and put into 
biofuel production.  We should be looking at the genetics we're putting 
on the pasture and demanding the animals prosper on good, well managed 
forage.  I don't think many of us realize just what an advantage we 
could have by working toward those genetics now, when biofuel hits full 
stride.

As it happens, the best performers are all beautifully 
standards-compliant with the BBSAI breed standard, are structurally 
sound, and presently, we have no parasite problem.  They are also out of

multiple birth parents capable of breeding out of season.

Because it has been so difficult for me to build a flock, I'm forgiving 
lots and LOTS of things right now, and nobody will be culled until after

the second lambing season.

But I hope you can see why I thought this was interesting enough to 
post.  I guess I'll have some flames coming, but

[blackbelly] Great Pyrenees/Anatolian Puppies in OK.

[Johnson, Oneta]

Best of two breeds combined.  Anatolian/Great Pyrenees born October  1,
2006.  2 males & 2 females.  Great for guarding &/or family pet. Have
great personalities. Raised with horses. Asking 100.00. Call Sandra at
405-245-2493 in McLoud, OK.
Posting for friend as her computer is down. Oneta

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[blackbelly] baily the sheep

[Johnson, Oneta]

For all those that have helped and prayed for our Baily boy.  I can not
believe how well he is doing.  He is becoming his old snotty self. He
has to see everything we are doing and help with everything. He really
loves feed time.  He is back to telling the foals he is the top dog,
etc.  His leg is looking great. He is slowly building meat back up on
the hole he had but I do not know if it will ever grow hair, etc.  His
face is looking good. He has been rubbing of the scabs so that helps. He
hates to be doctored and is getting very grumpy. Reminds me of a kid not
wanting his meds.  Boy can he kick. I want to thank again all those with
your imput, etc.  My med book for sheep is getting full, darnet, but I
am learning from those who have gone before me and I am so grateful for
all the help.
 
Thanks Oneta in OK

Oneta Johnson
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Re: [blackbelly] I made a website

[Johnson, Oneta]

Question: Can you also do a Horse Head as I also raise Horses. They are
the reason we got into the BB's initally and now they are just as
important at the barn. Thanks OJ in OK

Oneta Johnson
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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:42 PM
To: blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] I made a website

Since Mark has started something I figured I'd better do something about
it. 
I hurried and made a website so you could see what I can do.  I hope you

will go visit and also sign my guest book while there.
Thanks Mark!

http://actiondesigns.4t.com


Judy Akers
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[blackbelly] butcher ram

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have a question.  We are butchering our first lamb in February.  Is it
ok to leave him a ram or will it mess with the meat like it does on
other animals.  He will be about 13 months old and we have him in with
everyone since they are pregnant so he is not by himself.  Oneta

 

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Re: [blackbelly] News

[Johnson, Oneta]

I checked with the dot and they are enforcing it now. Called my trailer
guy and he is getting calls right and left. Will kill me going to horse
shows out of state. I know of a few that go to TX's that have already
gotten tickets on it and we all have farm tags.

Oneta Johnson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:52 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] News

That requirement has been in effect for 27,000 gross weight rating and 
also air brakes for almost 10 years.  I have had a commercial license 
since the beginning.  I also have to go every 2 years and recertify for 
the hazardous materials endorsement. 

However I was not aware of the 10,000 requirement.  I would assume that 
if you had a farm tag on the truck you would be ok.  It is just another 
way the gov't is paying off the debt..

Cecil in OKla

Johnson, Oneta wrote:
>  
>   
>> This is where you write your govt officals and horse
>> organizations. I have heard about this and it is
>> causing lots of problems. From what I understand it
>> is
>> even if you are hauling a trailer. Can be moving,
>> hay,
>> etc. oj
>>
>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:37:24 EST
>>> Subject: Re: News
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>>   
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>> 
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], welshfamilyfarms@
>>> attwb.net
>>>
>>>  I just found out some troubling news that you
>>>   
>> might
>> 
>>> want to pass on to the 
>>> Members. Apparently the Federal Govt. has passed a
>>> ruling that anyone towing 
>>> horse (farm) trailers that the total GVWR for
>>>   
>> truck
>> 
>>> and trailer combined exceeds 
>>> 25,000 lbs will have to get a Commercial Drivers
>>> License! and if they haul 
>>> intrastate it is anything over 10,000 lbs! (My
>>>   
>> truck
>> 
>>> alone is rated at 11,500 so 
>>> if I tow anything out of state I have to have a
>>> CDL!)They have special rules 
>>> for farrners / ranchers that are listed on the
>>> website. The website is :
>>> http://dps.state.ok.us  I imagine yoou would
>>>   
>> replace
>> 
>>> the ok with mo for your 
>>> state. They are apparently going to enforce it
>>>   
>> now.
>> 
>>> So the members that travel 
>>> over 150 miles from their home farm or out of
>>>   
>> state
>> 
>>> will need to know about 
>>> this. I got the manual and it's the size of a
>>>   
>> phone
>> 
>>> book full paper size! You 
>>> have to get an eye exam, then take a written test
>>> and then a driving test. Ugh. 
>>> and the license costs $66.50 (if you pass the 1st
>>> time!) This totally stinks. 
>>> If I was not hoping to go to Amarillo again I
>>>   
>> might
>> 
>>> not bother with it, but 
>>> it looks like I will have to do it. MERDE
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>   
>> Oneta and The Gang 
>> www.johnsonquarterhorses.com
>>
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Re: [blackbelly] News

[Johnson, Oneta]

 
> This is where you write your govt officals and horse
> organizations. I have heard about this and it is
> causing lots of problems. From what I understand it
> is
> even if you are hauling a trailer. Can be moving,
> hay,
> etc. oj
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:37:24 EST
> > Subject: Re: News
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], welshfamilyfarms@
> > attwb.net
> > 
> >  I just found out some troubling news that you
> might
> > want to pass on to the 
> > Members. Apparently the Federal Govt. has passed a
> > ruling that anyone towing 
> > horse (farm) trailers that the total GVWR for
> truck
> > and trailer combined exceeds 
> > 25,000 lbs will have to get a Commercial Drivers
> > License! and if they haul 
> > intrastate it is anything over 10,000 lbs! (My
> truck
> > alone is rated at 11,500 so 
> > if I tow anything out of state I have to have a
> > CDL!)They have special rules 
> > for farrners / ranchers that are listed on the
> > website. The website is :
> > http://dps.state.ok.us  I imagine yoou would
> replace
> > the ok with mo for your 
> > state. They are apparently going to enforce it
> now.
> > So the members that travel 
> > over 150 miles from their home farm or out of
> state
> > will need to know about 
> > this. I got the manual and it's the size of a
> phone
> > book full paper size! You 
> > have to get an eye exam, then take a written test
> > and then a driving test. Ugh. 
> > and the license costs $66.50 (if you pass the 1st
> > time!) This totally stinks. 
> > If I was not hoping to go to Amarillo again I
> might
> > not bother with it, but 
> > it looks like I will have to do it. MERDE
> > 
> > Kathy
> > 
> 
> 
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> www.johnsonquarterhorses.com
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Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)

[Johnson, Oneta]

UPDATE ON BAILEY.
Well so far so good.  Bailey is putting wet on his leg and slowly
walking around. He is eating and actually waiting for me in the am. We
were working on our stud pen yesterday and I opened his stall door to
see if he would come out. He came out and checked over every thing we
were doing. He still looks horrible but he is getting bright eyed and
more interested. He is terrified of the pups but still wants to hang
with the older dogs and they are going slow for him. Now if we can keep
the infection down Bailey has a great chance. Thanks to all who have
given info. I have slowly gotten more good information in my sheep book.
I hope all have a great Christmas from Bailey and me. OJ

Oneta Johnson
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:21 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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Oneta:
Just got your post.  I had a ewe a long time ago with a leg that was 
stripped by a dog.  I used nitrofurazone ointment.  used it daily for 6 
months then gave up and 2 years later she was fine.  I used pennicillin 
for antibiotic.  Iodine works great also, it keeps the flies off.  Be 
careful with Banamine.  1/2 cc  every 3 to 4 days should be plenty.  DO 
NOT MIX BANAMINE and DEXAMETHASONE or Cortisone..  I have done that and 
they don't last over 3 days.  I would not give more than 2 shots of 
Banamine.  Allow the wound to crust over and seal itself somewhat.  
Paint it with iodine or Nitro ointment.  Main thing is flies..It

will heal over but it will take a long time.  Be sure to keep mineral 
available for him.

After  raising a "baby" on a tube, I understand what you are going 
through....

Cecil in OKla

Johnson, Oneta wrote:
> I have been trying to get this posted.  I need some good ideas for our
> Bailey. He is our boy we have in the parades, etc and he is still up
and
> trying this am. His backend is swollen but so far no infection that I
> can see.  Pumping him full of antibiotics. All help appreciated. oj
>
> Well I have a problem. Our barn pups (border collie/heeler mixes) have
> decided that our wether bailey is their chew toy. They do not bother
any
> other animal but him. I do not know if it is because he thinks he is a
> dog and will not fight or what. They tore a huge hunk (you can see his
> tendons, etc) off his rump and tore his face.  We have him full of
> antibiotics and sprayed him with underwoods and put pickling lime on
to
> stop the bleeding. If anyone knows underwoods it has been around
forever
> and I have seen it work wonders. As of this am Bailey was still up and
> more aware of things. Very sore but did try and eat. I know he hurts.
> What can you give for pain or should I not and has anyone had to heal
> such a terrible wound.  As long as he tries we will fight for him so
we
> are needing some help.  We have no sheep vets around here so we are on
> our own.  All suggestions and prayers are appreciated.  Bailey is our
> little bottle baby we kept in the house for several months and he has
> been in parades, the pet store, etc. He is our baby boy.  Thank for
your
> help. Oneta in OK.
>
>  
>
>
> Oneta Johnson
> McLoud Telephone Company
> Data Entry/CSR
>  
> Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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> Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:14 PM
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Subject: [blackbelly] Hanging Lamb
>
> Got some interesting rough statistics here.
>
> We just home butchered a 69 pound ram lamb.  His hanging weight was 37

> pounds, and hardly a scrap of fat on him typical of intact animals, I 
> understand).  So the hanging weight was approx. 54% of live weight.
We 
> decided to let him hang for 5 days in a muslin bag in our temp 
> controlled freezer.  We cut the carcass up and packaged it (GET a
vacuum
>
> sealer - awesome!) yesterday.  Weighed the packaged cuts at 24 lb.  So

> trimmed and packaged yield from the 69 pound animal was about 35%.  I 
> weighed the bag of bones and trimmings and there was 5 pounds of
waste, 
> leaving 8 pounds evaporated off the carcass in the form of lost
moisture
>
> over 5 days.  That is 21% of the hanging weight!!!  This is something
to
>
> consider seriously with these lean, no-fat-cover animals.  Fat cover
is 
> essential to holding the moisture in while aging.  I doubt there will
be
>
> any advantage to aging a blackbelly lamb anyway.  We butchered a 
> yearling wether last month and hung him overnight.  Tastes marvellous.
>
> Something to seriously think about.
>

Re: [blackbelly] Long term antibiotics was Re: Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

I will have to remember that. More to put in my learning book. OJ

Oneta Johnson
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Lee
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 11:19 AM
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Subject: [blackbelly] Long term antibiotics was Re: Poor Bailey

I just had a mature ram surgically castrated.  The vet said that though 
it usually wasn't necessary, it wouldn't hurt for me to give him a long 
acting antibiotic - LA-200 - at 5cc per hundred pounds.  One shot only. 
I offer that just as an alternative to daily antibiotics.  Wish I'd had 
the banamine for a few days for him, the poor bugger!

Barb (also not a veterinarian!)


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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

Thanks for the info. I will play it by ear. Sounds a lot like with the
horses. As for the vet status. I tried to tell your wife I would love
for your vet to move back here to OK.  It would be nice to have a sheep
vet in my area again. I am so jealous.  I will do another Banamine along
with antibiotics tonight. See how he is in the am.  I was happy to see
him putting wgt on that leg.  He is trying.  Thanks again for
everything.  Oneta

Oneta Johnson
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

I'll start with my disclaimer, "I am not a veterinarian".

My most common use for Banamine is with ewes that have mastitis.  I give
them a shot morning and night for the first day.  One shot per day for
the
next two days and then only as needed.  Of course I am milking them out
and
using intramammary antibiotic injections as well since it is mastitis.

So my advice is to use the Banamine only until Bailey feels good enough
to
get around.  The antibiotic is essential but can disrupt the rumen.
Like
the banamine hit it hard at first then every other day or so.  Use your
thermometer and make sure there is not a fever (102 or 103 is normal).
If
there is a fever keep giving the antibiotic.  Use your judgment of the
wound
and Bailey's body language.  If Bailey's ears are droopy and he looks
depressed keep giving the antibiotic.  If he is alert without fever
walking
around don't give antibiotic.  Pain is not a bad thing as it reminds the
lamb to take it easy!  Keep a real close eye on hurt lambs because they
can
relapse very quickly.  Keep that wound clean and ward off infection.

Taking care of an injured animal is a measure of humanity.

Good Luck,

Mark Wintermute
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Gave Bailey some banamine last night. He is actually putting some wgt
and trying to walk on the bad leg this am. I have done the
betadine/sugar on horses. May have to try it.  
Question for the Wintermute's. Thank you again for calling. Helped so
much. How often can I give the banamine.Also, how long can we give the
antibiotics.  We try not to use either to much on horses so not sure for
Bailey boy.  Told my sister about the tape and she about died. Who would
have thought. We have a sign at the barn that states "All held together
with bailing wire and duct tape, the redneck way". A friend gave me that
after seeing all the tape and wire. 
Thank all for your help and info. Please keep it coming. Even if I can
not use it for Bailey it may help someone else down the road. Oneta

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

Gave Bailey some banamine last night. He is actually putting some wgt
and trying to walk on the bad leg this am. I have done the
betadine/sugar on horses. May have to try it.  
Question for the Wintermute's. Thank you again for calling. Helped so
much. How often can I give the banamine.Also, how long can we give the
antibiotics.  We try not to use either to much on horses so not sure for
Bailey boy.  Told my sister about the tape and she about died. Who would
have thought. We have a sign at the barn that states "All held together
with bailing wire and duct tape, the redneck way". A friend gave me that
after seeing all the tape and wire. 
Thank all for your help and info. Please keep it coming. Even if I can
not use it for Bailey it may help someone else down the road. Oneta

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

4059648600 is my work. oneta

Oneta Johnson
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Oneta, 

Send me ur phone number offlist.

I will call you immediately.

Sharon


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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Ok. So I am looking at the correct meds. Do I spray it on the wound like
a tropical. 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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Use the injectable.


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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am
looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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Oneta, 

We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com.

We get a lot of our supplies there.

Sharon 

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Oneta
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it.  What else
would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not
a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we
keep it for the horses.  Thanks oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

Ok. So I am looking at the correct meds. Do I spray it on the wound like
a tropical. 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 2:01 PM
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Use the injectable.


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Johnson,
Oneta
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:49 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am
looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Oneta, 

We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com.

We get a lot of our supplies there.

Sharon 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Johnson,
Oneta
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it.  What else
would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not
a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we
keep it for the horses.  Thanks oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of The
Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. Do you just spay is with a syringe or rub with a glove. If I am
looking at the right stuff it is an inject able. 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Oneta, 

We buy it online at PBSAnimalHealth.com.

We get a lot of our supplies there.

Sharon 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Johnson,
Oneta
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:15 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it.  What else
would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not
a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we
keep it for the horses.  Thanks oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

Ps.
I did not say but we will go all out for our Baily boy.  I am one of
those crazy people that gets the animals no one else wants and gets them
healthy.  My pocket book can tell so we will try anything. Thanks.

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK, I checked on the pen g and no one around here has it.  What else
would be good to dr with. I have been doing the underwoods but it is not
a antibiotic. We are just giving him the shots. Will give some ban as we
keep it for the horses.  Thanks oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wintermutes
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 12:30 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Poor Bailey

Hi Oneta,

Lambs have exceptional healing abilities but you must decide if you are
up
to the task of doctoring for a couple of months.

Banamine 50mg/ml 1cc intermuscle injection is great for anti-inflamatory
pain relief.

Dexamethasone 2mg/ml .5cc to 2cc intermuscle injection is great for
anti-inflamatory pain relief.  It basically is a steroid.  Dexamethasone
will lower resistance to infection so should only be used for initial
treatment.  Dexamethasone is also used to help induce labor in pregnant
ewes
so be careful.  Dexamethasone is also helpful for speeding up lung
development in fetuses.  This is helpful if you suspect a ewe is going
to
deliver prematurely.

Aspirin can be used but be careful about bleeding wounds since it thins
the
blood.

Clean the wound daily with hydrogen peroxide expressing any puss.  Once
it
is clean cover the wound lightly with penicillin G procaine and bandage.
Keep the wound covered as much as possible.

Don't let the lamb just lie around.  Encourage the lamb to walk and lay
upright (not on his side).



My boxer/heeler dogs have done the same thing.  Although the dogs
overreacted the lamb had it coming.  The lamb kept coming up to the dogs
and
butting them.  The dogs put up with it for quite some time knowing they
would get in trouble if they retaliated.  But 

Good luck,

Mark Wintermute  

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Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have been trying to get this posted.  I need some good ideas for our
Bailey. He is our boy we have in the parades, etc and he is still up and
trying this am. His backend is swollen but so far no infection that I
can see.  Pumping him full of antibiotics. All help appreciated. oj

Well I have a problem. Our barn pups (border collie/heeler mixes) have
decided that our wether bailey is their chew toy. They do not bother any
other animal but him. I do not know if it is because he thinks he is a
dog and will not fight or what. They tore a huge hunk (you can see his
tendons, etc) off his rump and tore his face.  We have him full of
antibiotics and sprayed him with underwoods and put pickling lime on to
stop the bleeding. If anyone knows underwoods it has been around forever
and I have seen it work wonders. As of this am Bailey was still up and
more aware of things. Very sore but did try and eat. I know he hurts.
What can you give for pain or should I not and has anyone had to heal
such a terrible wound.  As long as he tries we will fight for him so we
are needing some help.  We have no sheep vets around here so we are on
our own.  All suggestions and prayers are appreciated.  Bailey is our
little bottle baby we kept in the house for several months and he has
been in parades, the pet store, etc. He is our baby boy.  Thank for your
help. Oneta in OK.

 


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Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:14 PM
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Subject: [blackbelly] Hanging Lamb

Got some interesting rough statistics here.

We just home butchered a 69 pound ram lamb.  His hanging weight was 37 
pounds, and hardly a scrap of fat on him typical of intact animals, I 
understand).  So the hanging weight was approx. 54% of live weight.  We 
decided to let him hang for 5 days in a muslin bag in our temp 
controlled freezer.  We cut the carcass up and packaged it (GET a vacuum

sealer - awesome!) yesterday.  Weighed the packaged cuts at 24 lb.  So 
trimmed and packaged yield from the 69 pound animal was about 35%.  I 
weighed the bag of bones and trimmings and there was 5 pounds of waste, 
leaving 8 pounds evaporated off the carcass in the form of lost moisture

over 5 days.  That is 21% of the hanging weight!!!  This is something to

consider seriously with these lean, no-fat-cover animals.  Fat cover is 
essential to holding the moisture in while aging.  I doubt there will be

any advantage to aging a blackbelly lamb anyway.  We butchered a 
yearling wether last month and hung him overnight.  Tastes marvellous.

Something to seriously think about.

Regards,
Barb Lee
Blacklocust Farm
American Blackbelly Sheep
http://www.blacklocustfarm.net 


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Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name

[Johnson, Oneta]

Wow. Now I have a question. How old can I girls go and still have
healthy babies. I have asked other sheep (non bb) people and they tell
me they get rid of their ewes when they are between 7 to 9. If they can
go that long I have some nice producing ewes I am hanging on to. They
are 6 to 9.  oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cecil Bearden
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:14 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Corsican vs. Blackbelly name

Carol:
first let me say that I am not arguing with your response.  Just an 
observation.  I have some sheep that seem to have "reverted" to the 
Corsican gene..  What I noted was that the Corsican had a thicker head 
from the jaw to the nose "bridge"  The Blackbelly has a slim and very 
pretty head in my opinion.  The Corsican is not as pretty.  I have one 
ewe that has had ewe lambs that look like Corsicans since she has become

older.  ( close to 20).  This pprobably due to the rams I have had and 
not her problem... 

The pictures of Corsicans that I have seen have a larger head than 
Blackbellies. 

Just my $0.02.

Cecil in OKla

Carol Elkins wrote:
> Not a dumb question at all. "Corsican" is a name used to describe
sheep 
> having the American Blackbelly coloration and horns. When the Barbados

> Blackbelly was crossed with Mouflon and Rambouillet to add horns for
trophy 
> hunters (creating what we refer to now as the "American Blackbelly," a
game 
> rancher by the name of Thompson Temple gave it the name "Corsican" and

> added it to first record book he created in 1976. He bestowed exotic
names 
> to several other color combinations such as "Hawaiian Black," "Texas
Dall," 
> and "Painted Desert."
>
> You'll hear the term "Corsican" used primarily in Texas, but it is,
for the 
> most part, an American Blackbelly.
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 12/6/2006 10:30:09 AM, william bartlett ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
>  > Time for a dumb question that has probably been ask
>  > before. What in the world is the differance between a
>  > blackbelly and a corsican.
>
> Carol Elkins
> Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
> (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
> Pueblo, Colorado
> http://www.critterhaven.biz
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> Barbados Blackbelly Online Store
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Re: [blackbelly] lamb processing

[Johnson, Oneta]

Yikes. I am getting mine butchered here in the McLoud area after the
first of the year. I hope I do not have that problem. I think you did
good as I would have had him by the b after the 2nd incident. I hate
to be griped at when it is not my fault it is theirs. I would have a big
problem going back to that processor also. Be sure and tell the OK Cop
people about it. They may say something. You may not be the only one
having this problem. Oj in McLoud, ok

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peg
Haese KB9LIE
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:31 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] lamb processing

Cecil, we are trying out Belmont Fresh Meats, about 10 miles away. They
are getting one Katahdin wether this afternoon as a test. It's too far
for you to go though.

This 30-month-old wether has been put off several times (by us, not the
processor). We finally decided it was time and scheduled him for AFTER
deer season, which is a big deal around here. This one is for our own
freezer, not for sale. 

After reading your posting, I can see why we've put this off so long!

Peg Haese in cold SW Wisconsin USA

--- Cecil Bearden wrote:

I just thought I would let you all be amused, irritated, bemused, or 
whatever word or emotion you would like to use to describe the
treatment I had from the processor I used for my lambs.


 


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Re: [blackbelly] Lst chance to remain on the Listserv's Breeder Map

[Johnson, Oneta]

I do not see mine on the list but I am worried now. Keep me on.
Thanks.Oneta 

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
Don't tell GOD what to do, just report for duty!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Carol J. Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:28 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Lst chance to remain on the Listserv's Breeder Map

Last chance--if your email is listed below and you haven't yet contacted

me, then your name will be removed from the Breeder Map on the
Blackbelly 
Listserv home page (http://www.blackbellysheep.info/breeder/map.html). 
These email addresses are not current subscribers to the Listserv, and
the 
map is a benefit of being a Listserv subscriber.

I'm posting this second chance because I already started to delete names

and was surprised at how many long-time list members will be removed.
I'm 
hoping that some of you simply missed the previous email.

So act now and click the "Add Me to the Map!" link at the top of the map
to 
update your information.

Carol Elkins
Listserv Owner


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Re: [blackbelly] Young ram, again...

[Johnson, Oneta]

I will have to remember that one.  What a laugh.
I know I have some ewes that have had 3+ lambings and they can still
surprise me.  They get fat and happy looking but it looks like belly.
They will have no bag to see and boom, baby the next am and a bag
running like crazy.  I figure they know more about having a baby than
me.  Remember Gone with the wind. They must have seen it.  oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cecil Bearden
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 8:11 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Young ram, again...

Cold weather lambing is not all that bad.  With a small shed, if you can

get a few other animals in with the one lambing, they will produce a lot

of heat.  In my small shed, 10 ewes inside will have water condensing on

the roof in about 30 minutes and you can take your coat off when it is 
below freezing outside. 
Right after I got my flock, It was very cold late ini the evening and I 
went out to check the ewes and I had one with a lamb that was turned.  
My first one in fact... I got the OB glove and began to fumble around 
with the first time I ever had to do this.  I don't know who was the 
most scared, me or the ewe..  After I began to get the "feel" of things,

I felt of another lamb with the free hand to determine what end I had a 
hold of. 
About that time my wife came in the barn and asked " Is she having 
trouble?" 
Well, if you have ever listened to Bill Engvahl and his HERE"S YOUR SIGN

routine, you can imagine.  I just looked very serious and said, "No, my 
hand got cold and I thought I would warm it"

She left!

Cecil in OKla

Mishael Miller wrote:
> Well, now I am concerned.  He has been in with the Ewe's since I
purchased them in May.  I just seperated him to keep  my lonely buck
company, and I decided if the ewe's weren't bred than I wanted to wait
and time it for later babies.  I wasn't worried because I thought my
older ewe was pregnant but unless she surprises me in the next week or
so-she can't be (she was running with rams when I bought her).  I've
never seen any sign of him having interest in her or the ewe his age.
Has anyone ever had a ram that was a dud?  He is beautiful and getting
his beard, I hope he's just a late bloomer.
> Can the ewe's be sneaky about lambing.  She has a large belly but its
all underneath-not out to the side like my goats get.  No udder to speak
of.
> I guess I will just wait and see what he thinks of the girls in a
couple months.  I don't want lambs in the snow anyway.  Probably try and
time it for march-april.
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Cuts of Lamb/Oneta

[Johnson, Oneta]

Ok. Another question.  What should I expect wgt wise.  He is about
100#'s now.  What would I expect back on sheep. oj

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb
Lee
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:41 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Cuts of Lamb/Oneta

Hi Oneta,

You'll probably do a few before you decide which cuts you like the best!

:o)  We keep it simple.  We have shoulder roasts made instead of cut 
into steaks.  Steaks seem to have grain going every which way, with some

streaks being very tough and some being very tender...seems a lot of 
connective tissue  and bone runs through them and they are small enough 
to be more of a nuisance than anything.  So we just have the shoulders 
made into roasts, which I like to cook in the slow cooker all day until 
they're falling off the bone.  The Lamb Lover's Cookbook from the BBSAI 
has a rub for the meat that is as gourmet on a roast as anything I can 
imagine.  The shoulder roasts seem to me to actually be the most 
flavorful cut, but I find they must be slow cooked with moist heat to be

the best for our tastes.  The other way I like to season them is with a 
package of McCormick Montreal Steak marinade.  I just sprinkle it on the

roast.  It's very peppery.

We have the ribs and loin cut into chops.  Our very favorite thing on 
the planet is to grill the chops to medium done-ness on a hardwood fire,

with nothing but salt and pepper, and eat them like chicken wings!  :o) 
(neanderthals, I know!)

Then roasts are cut from the rump and leg.  I love to bone and roll the 
roasts and cook them in my little George Foreman rotisserie, or cut them

into chunks and marinate them for shish-kabobs on the grill.  We don't 
bother with shanks.  Everything else is put into ground lamb, which is 
incredibly versatile!  Sometimes we have  part of it made into breakfast

or Italian sausage, and when we do more home butchering I plan to try 
some sausage making.  Can't get enough ground lamb!

Whatever you decide, you are in for a treat!  :o)

Barb Lee.


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Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 186

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. We are talking butchering.  I am finally butchering our first.  He
will be a year old the end of the year and we will butcher in January.
What is the best way to get it done.  Hamburger, sausage, chops, what.
I have only had cows butchered and you have so much more meat. I have 2
different places I am checking on.  The one Cecil spoke of and one to
the east of McLoud I was told about.  I want good meat that we can enjoy
but we are doing it for my dad who is a heart, Parkinson, etc, patient.
What does the majority of the people do.  Thanks. OJ

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick
Krach
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:36 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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In recent years I also have had a dozen or more hides tanned at "Bucks 
County Fur Products" in Quakertown, PA.  They do a marvelous job and
I've 
always been pleased.

Rick Krach
   Auburn, California
  (530) 889-1488

>>Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:02:41 -0600
From: "Carol J. Elkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning
Cecill, I've had all my hides processed at Buck County Fur Products, Box
204, 220 1/2 N. Ambler Street, Quakertown, PA 18951 215-536-6614.
Depending on the size of the sheep, it costs around $35 plus shipping.
Carol



Bonnie, many people use sheep that are several years old just for
sausage.  
And when I had a three year old butchered, we mixed the meat with pork.

>>From: "Bonnie Wilkening" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [blackbelly] Taste and Butchering

 You have been talking about the taste of lamb --would there be a
difference in a 3 yr old Ewe Barbado?

Bonnie Wilkening
Appleton MN

Rick Krach


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Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning

[Johnson, Oneta]

Cecil:
Where did you find a good place to take your guys.  I am in McLoud and
the closest I can find that will kill and process there is in Maud.  I
do not let them kill here as it bothers me, the kids, the dogs, horses,
etc.  We have had stuff killed here before and it took forever to calm
everyone down.  I had not thought about tanning the hide. I keep telling
my dad he is getting the horns for his next birthday.  Thanks. OJ

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Cecil Bearden
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:45 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] hide tanning



I have found a processing plant for my sheep and the labels for my cuts 
have been submitted for approval by the state board of Ag.  I have 
scheduled processing for 12 lambs the friday before thanksgiving.  I had

to agree to take all the offal, hides and heads back to dispose of due 
to the BSE scare having changed everything.  This is no big problem, 
however I remember someone discussing tanning of the hides.  I would 
like to send these off for tanning.  I really hate to just bury the 
hides when they are really pretty.  I would do it myself, but I have not

done that before. 

Anyone know where to have the hides tanned?
Cecil in OK
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Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear

[Johnson, Oneta]

If you get one, please pass along.  I am sure there are several of us,
including me, that could use the info. oj

Oneta Johnson
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Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:07 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear

Thanks for the response.  Does anyone have a copy of a lamb meat cut
label.  I need one for a pattern to design a label for my sheep.  I have
tried scanning one in that I got from the buffalo meat company, but the
safety instructions won't come out

cecil in Okla



> I had a German Shepard who had a severe swelling in his ear once. He
had a
> problem with gnats/flies while he was at a kennel (for breeding
services)
> They did not take care of him properly and when he came home he got to
> shaking his haed so much, even after we cleaned his ear, that he got a
> HEMATOMA. The tiny blood vessels in his ear broke and made a bloodclot
in
> between the front and back layers of skin on his ear.Needless to say
> surgery
> was required and all came out ok. But something to check out. Another
thig
> is, around here this year ticks have been burrowing under the skin on
the
> horses, causing big bumps/ swellings, like they have been stung by
> hornets.
> Look closely...this is a bad year for ALL insects...everywhere...on
All
> animals.
> Helen
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Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear

[Johnson, Oneta]

Cecil
I have not had that happen to my sheep but my older border collie had an
ear infection last year and had to wear a drain for days and her other
ear did it this year.  They did surgery this time. She is now a house
dog.  It was from allergies she had built up and flies and her
scratching.  We have had an abundance of flies in the last few weeks
since the weather has changed her in central ok. Yeah. Do not know if
this helps but good luck. Oneta

Oneta Johnson
McLoud Telephone Company
Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Carol Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 10:56 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sheep with swollen ear

Hi Cecil,

I've never heard of swollen ears in sheep before. I Googled the term and

came up with a couple of things for you to look at, but I'm sure you've 
already been all over the Internet searching for answers.

Most references to swollen ears in sheep are made in conjunction with
Blue 
Tongue disease. 
(http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/diseaseinfo/notes/Bluetongue.pdf#search=%2
2she 
ep%20swollen%20ears%22)

A gal wrote in to InfoVet about her lamb's swollen ears 
(http://tinyurl.com/no3sy) and in addition to blue tongue, the vet 
suggested it might be insect bites or snake bites. These often cause the

head to swell. One other problem is called big head. It is a clostridial

infection that also causes the head and neck to swell. Injuries or 
abscesses that become infected with bacteria can also cause the
swelling.

Let us know what you find out, Cecil. Good luck with your ewe!

Carol

At 10:02 PM 9/25/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a blackbelly ewe with swollen ears.  Both ears are over 3/4 inch
>thick and drooping.  She seems ok otherwise.  Anyone had this problem
>before.  Can't find any sign of trauma or any parasites.

Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the
Barbados Blackbelly Online Store
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[blackbelly] Make me an Illegal Alien Please....

[Johnson, Oneta]

I got this from a horse friend.  Thought is was funny enough to post
with all the other government info we have been getting. Enjoy.

Oneta  
> 
> The Honorable Paul S Sarbanes
> 309 Hart Office Building
> Washington DC 20510
> 
> Dear Senator Sarbanes,
> 
> As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the
> Internal Revenue
> Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance.  I
> have contacted the
> Immigration and Naturalization Service in an effort
> to determine the
> process for becoming an illegal alien, and they
> referred me to you.
> 
> My reasons for wishing to change my status from U.S.
> Citizen to illegal
> alien stem from the bill which was recently passed
> by the Senate and 
> for which you voted.  If My understanding of the
> bill's provisions is 
> accurate,as an illegal alien who has been in the
> United States for five years, 
> what I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a
> $2000 fine and income taxes 
> for three of the last five years.
> 
> I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious
> to get the process
> started before everyone figures it out.  Simply put,
> those of us who 
> have been here legally have had to pay taxes every
> year so I'm excited about 
> the prospect of avoiding two years of the last five
> years of income taxes 
> in return for paying a $2000 fine.  Is there any way
> that I can apply to 
> be illegal retroactively?  This would yield an
> excellent return for me and 
> my family because we paid heavy taxes in 2004 and
> 2005 and I estimated a 
> gross savings of approximately $72,000.  After the
> fine this would yield me a 
> net savings of $70,000.
> 
> In addition, I would reap the other benefits of
> being an illegal alien 
> such as free healthcare, avoidance of paying Social
> Security taxes, buying
> automobile insurance, and serving on jury panels,
> etc.
> 
> If you would provide me with an outline of the
> process to become 
> illegal (retroactively if possible) and copies of
> the necessary forms,  I would 
> be most appreciative.
> 
> Thank you for your assistance.
> 
>   
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Re: [blackbelly] We are IN the money literally!!!!

[Johnson, Oneta]

You are to funny. We get those things with the horses for sale all the
time.  I even got a check and turned it into the police once.  Never
found out what happened.  Keep us posted. oj

Oneta Johnson
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Data Entry/CSR
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Nancy Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:08 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] We are IN the money literally

My husband has informed me that he thinks our ship has just come in and
Its 
about time.  The emails reads as follows
.hello,I saw your ad on the {sheep} and it fits what I
have been searching for. I will be paying with money order or cashier
cheque 
, get back to me with your final asking price so that i can proceed with
the 
payment
Our Reply:
You misunderstood we sell sheep dung. It is $5 a pound how much do you
want?
His reply"
Hello ,




i have seen
the price and
its ok by me
then i have
instructed my client in{usa} to issue the cashiers check or money
order  to you.meanwhile i also instructed him to include $2950 on
the payment so you will be receiving a cheque of  $3000 out of
which you will deduct your selling price with extra $50 for your
running around
and send the excess to my shipper.
.the funds will be used for the shipping of the {sheep dung for 10 which
is 
$50} along side
3 other sheep  i placed
order for in care of my shipper.i'll imploy you to wire the balance
via western union money transfer to my shipper as soon as you
RECEIVE the check.My SHIPPER will come for pick up on a specicified
date that will be convenient for you.i hope i can count on you for
my
balance I ALSO WANT THIS TO BE BASE ON TRUST
CAN I TRUST YOU?...
P.S i need ur contact info,such as name in full,adress,ur city ur
state ur zipcode ur phone#both cell and home.pls email me asap with
all details.
Our Reply:

Hello, I will need help to load. Does your client have rubber boots and
a 
scoop shovel ? It is at its premium right now since it is still moist.
As 
far as time it is best to do at night since the flies and gnats get bad
in 
the day time. They can be swallowed if not careful and he could choke on

them and we do not want to be liable for this. It looks like everything
is 
in order we will have to see a verification of insurance on your client
to 
make sure it is okay. Oh ya make sure the shipper has non slip rubber
boots 
because he could slip and break his leg if not careful. We also have
some 
vintage seasoned sheep dung that could be bagged easily but not trying
to 
pry but pea size dried sheep dung make good necklaces when strung with 
needle and thread. If spray painted they make nice Christmas decorations
if 
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verification soon because its getting really deep .

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Re: [blackbelly] Ram pen suggestions --- also lamb weight/probs?

[Johnson, Oneta]

On the ram.  We keep our guy with at least one of the withers when we separate. 
 I have tried several types of fencing and if he wants out it will happen.  
Keeping someone with him helps a lot.  Also, when he was about 2 he went 
through a killer stage.  I had to carry a whip and keep something between us at 
all times.  I tied his but up one day and gave him heck.  That was fun.  Now, 
he is 4, he will push especially if the ewes are in season but I can carry a 
stick and he will leave me alone.  He guards his girls but is not overly 
aggressive.  He puts such good babies on the ground I had to give him a chance 
and now I am glad I did.  Good luck with all your guys. Oneta OK
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Ram pen suggestions --- also lamb
weight/probs?


Hi again Elizabeth,

Don't assume the majority of Blackbelly rams are aggressive.  The aggressive
rams just give everybody something to talk about!  

I am finally down to 13 moms and 13 babies in my maternity ward here.  We
have had a good 2006 so far with 130 lambs born.  I am near Kansas City and
the drought is being felt!  My remaining ewes that are nursing are getting
.75 pounds of corn morning and night.  The lambs are getting .3 pounds of
corn morning and night.  They graze all day eating what they can find and
have access to mineral salts.  The only prolapse we get here are ewes in
late pregnancy with large or multiple lambs.  Most prolapses are on my first
time mommas.  By the second lambing the mommas are bigger and more stretched
out.  My sheep act like they are willing to over eat corn and such but
they have been known to leave some corn in the feedbunk.  I have never lost
a sheep to overeating, but consider it a risk.

Start feeding your ewe now while she is separated with her baby.  She will
figure it out quickly that you are "REALLY NICE"!  Then you can call her off
by herself to let her eat her treat.  This usually tames the baby lamb down
as well.

I feed grain only to lambs and lactating ewes and injured sheep.  Everyone
else has to make it by grazing.  During the winter everyone gets some grain.

Mark Wintermute

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Thanks for your input-- would love to hear more should anyone else
care to give their 2cents... will be sharing pen thoughts with my
husband- --cattle panels... wow, hopefully we can find a
simpler/cheaper alternative. Sounds like most of these guys are
aggressive and so would hate to give him up for another problem ram.
BTW, as far as sales, I have been reading these posts with interest.
I went to a local farm auction a few weeks ago and nice healthy
looking blackbelly yearling ewes were going for $12.50 a head-- the
lucky first ones were selling for $30-40. Wooly lambs on the other
hand were going  for $60-80. Had a Dorper or 2 for $30. Pretty sad
market here, but most think the hair sheep are goats or fancy breeds
that are a fad.

On the lamb issue-- I am heavily considering the nutritional aspect
and tend to think that may have been the problem. It is very hot/dry
here, I have them with my goats and llamas and never had to worry much
about them. As far as grain-- how much daily should I give the mama?
We give them grain but have been going light-- again cuz the
goats/Llamas don't need much. When I grain them all together about how
much per sheep? Also, do sheep tend to over eat and prolapse like
cattle or horse?
Thanks,
Elizabeth
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Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have a web site for both my sheep and horses.  I only get a few hits for the 
sheep.  I am in OK. OJ

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:48 AM
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May I ask whether you that are having a hard time selling sheep have a 
website.  I have very little trouble selling sheep to even people in Idaho, 
Oklahoma, New York, Missouri, West Virgina, etc.  I get the prices I want 
and I give discount prices on small flock purchases.  I mention this website 
thing because I do 99% of my business from my website.  I do not ever go to 
auction to sell sheep, don't have to.  I can get $150.00 and more for ewes 
and $150.00 to $300.00 for my rams (more depending on age).  Ram lambs and 
ewe lambs are $150.00 until they are 6 months old.  I am not bragging, and 
please forgive me if it sounds that way, but I really believe that a website 
makes all the difference in the world with these sheep.  I get calls and 
e-mails several times a month from people just wanting to know what a hair 
sheep is.  www.nebraskasheep.com is a website where you can ad your farm 
free.  I receive many e-mails from this site along with my own website.  
Just a thought I wanted to pass on.  Sue Smith




>From: "Cecil Bearden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>To: 
>Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
>Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:53:18 -0500
>
>You might want to check out www.Oklahomafood.coop I am going to try to
>market my lambs thru them.  I gotta try  something  these were supposed
>to be my retirement...
>
>Cecil
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "william bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 11:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
>
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> >
> > Cecil:
> >
> > I've been going thru the ups and downs of Oklahoma's
> > market too. I'm on the border of Oklahoma and
> > Arkansas, and take my sheep about 35 miles to
> > market(Wistor OK) A couple of months ago I sold 3
> > rams, 2 a little over a year old and a younger one
> > about 8 months old, two had trophy horns and the other
> > had a good set, the two best rams brought $90. and the
> > other a little less, then last weekend I sold 4 more
> > and only got $52. apiece for them! It certainly is a
> > shot it the dark taking them to the auction. The only
> > good part is that it's a fairly small market, and not
> > much difference is made between the sheep and goats.
> > Another draw back is that they sell hogs first,(but it
> > is quite entertaining to watch the young boys when
> > that send in the wild hogs) Just as everyone has been
> > telling you, I too should be advertising and selling
> > out the front door, but it's hard finding time and
> > dealing with folks. I have a co-worker that lives
> > farther up north in Arkansas, that raises and sales
> > Droper sheep. He sales his lambs for $100. each. Just
> > goes out and tells the people which ones are for sale
> > and they catch them, give him the money and away they
> > go. That would be nice, BUT... I'm kind of in the same
> > situation as you, we don't eat our sheep, as a matter
> > of fact, my wife has a hard time selling the girls!
> > so, I don't thing she would do too good with someone
> > buying them to eat.
> > So, I'm just going to keep on trying to break even (or
> > a little less). P.S. I'm going tomorrow to buy Hay.
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> >> have the heart or lack of
> >> it to butcher one of my lambs.  I have the
> >> experience, the equipment and
> >> could make a walk in cooler our of an old
> >> airconditioner unit, I have done
> >> that for others.  I can skin and butcher most any
> >> animal, but after bringing
> >> these guys into the world, I just can't take them
> >> out
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> >> sign me gutless  in Oklahoma
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> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Barb Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:06 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla
> >>
> >>
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> >> > Cecil,
> >> > I think you're hitting on a painful truth that is
> >> being recognized far
> >> > and wide - that the small farmer, in order to
> >> survive, has to go direct
> >> > to the consumer.  Most farmers don't want to be
> >> marketers.  But a lot of
> >> > consumers out there are getting wise to the
> >> consequences of factory
> >> > farming.  They WANT to meet the farmer, to buy
> >> natural food, to be
> >> > educated about the differences between factory
> >> raised and farm rai

Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla

[Johnson, Oneta]

I am glad I am not the only one who loves theses guys so much I feel guilty 
butchering them.  We pick one.  Ignore it as best as possible.  (Don't Laugh) 
and then take it to the butcher and drop him off.  They are not to do anything 
to it till I leave and just let me pick him up in those white packages.  I have 
to drive father off to get a butcher that kills at the plant but I do not care. 
 It would be emotional to me, the other sheep, the dogs and the horses to have 
them killed at the farm.  
OJ 

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Bearden
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:06 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla


Barb:
Thanks for the encouragement, but I really do not have the heart or lack of 
it to butcher one of my lambs.  I have the experience, the equipment and 
could make a walk in cooler our of an old airconditioner unit, I have done 
that for others.  I can skin and butcher most any animal, but after bringing 
these guys into the world, I just can't take them out

sign me gutless  in Oklahoma


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To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] sale prices in OKla


>
> Cecil,
> I think you're hitting on a painful truth that is being recognized far
> and wide - that the small farmer, in order to survive, has to go direct
> to the consumer.  Most farmers don't want to be marketers.  But a lot of
> consumers out there are getting wise to the consequences of factory
> farming.  They WANT to meet the farmer, to buy natural food, to be
> educated about the differences between factory raised and farm raised,
> and to get in touch with their food again.
>
> The person who has to buy it can never experience the almost holy
> experience of conjuring perfect food up from the earth, and raising it
> and ultimately eating it, but it doesn't take long to educate the palate
> to the difference between real food and adulterated.  In our case, our
> bodies are beginning to reject anything that isn't raised on the farm,
> or isn't organic.
>
> We have to start with something that nobody else has, and we have that!
> Then we have to raise it so it is better than anything else - and I
> think Blackbelly can be better or WORSE than store-bought, depending on
> how it's raised - and then we have to get a leash on our independent
> spirits and go out and get our customers.
>
> There is a LOT written on farmer-to-consumer these days, it's becoming
> critical to survival of the small farm.  It CAN be done.  But we have to
> get off the farm to get people to come to the farm.  This is going to be
> the worst part of all of it for me.  That, and taking somebody's money
> from their hand, and not through the sale yard office.
>
> YOU need encourangement, my friend, and maybe start reading up on the
> experiences of other farmer-entrepreneurs.  I can make some reading
> suggestions, and perhaps others can share some of their marketing
> expertise.  I am scared to death too, but having had a promising
> experience this spring, I know my upscale market is out there, I know
> that certain people will say "name your price" if you give them a
> sample.  They don't have to be health conscious, they can just be
> enthusiastic foodies.
>
> There is a whole new movement to "eat locally" - it is going to be as
> powerful as the organic movement.  They say most of our food has
> travelled at least 1500 miles to arrive on our plates.  That is not
> sustainable, it's not supporting the local community, and people are
> beginning to twig that agriculture - food - the staff of life - is
> slowly coming under the control of a few mega-corporations that don't
> care about raising food, they care about making a profit.
>
> Cecil, there are so many reasons to keep trying, and to reach out of
> this murderous commodities box and enter the farmer-to-consumer
> movement.
>
> YOU have so much skill, and so much to offer!  Please, let's all start
> educating ourselves about these critical issues and stop trying to
> compete in the commodities markets!  Our buyers are out there!  We just
> ALL need to learn how to make the farm-fresh, exquisite, perfect food
> experience accessible to people who are - literally - dying for it!!!
>
> Kindest regards to you Cecil!
>
> Barb Lee - Proud to have had a Greek chef declare of my lamb, "This is
> the SWEETEST lamb I have ever tasted!"
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Feeding sheep

[Johnson, Oneta]

I live in central OK and we have no pasture.  We have lots of woods and sand.  
I feed my guys (both adults and lambs) alf pellets and whole corn 2x day.  
Grass hay and alfalfa as needed.  We let them roam and they love all the crazy 
things that grow in the woods.  We do loose mineral mixed with dia. earth and 
salt blocks.  They are wormed with basic H every 2 months with the horses.  We 
have 10 adults and then lambs.  They keep their wgt well but I do watch feeding 
them up or down as needed.
oj

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I live in the northern part of Alabama and I feed hay with a little corn
starting usually in December up till the end of March. The rest of the year
they have pasture and woods/jungle to maintain. This provides them with an
abundance of forage as well as a wide variety. I currently have about 60
head on 20 acres(10 pasture/10 woods).

Chris B.

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Brian Muck
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:05 PM
To: blackbelly
Subject: [blackbelly] Feeding sheep

I've had my sheep for 3-4 yrs now and other than all the pasture they 
can handle (we live in Southeast Texas, just east of Houston, so pasture 
is very plentiful most of the year).I have only ever fed them Purina 
Show Sheep feed (about 1/2 scoop per sheep).  I feed that year round and 
in the winter when the pasture is not as plentiful I feed a little 
alfalfa hay.  I also feed alfalfa when our ewe is nursing.  

We have 6 sheep and all are very healthy and happy, so I figure what 
we're doing is okay! :-)  

Kristi

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>Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:13:23 -0700
>From: "Dayna Denmark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [blackbelly] Questionaire
>To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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>Hello group,
>After reading the latest on copper supplements I got to wondering. This 
>group seems to be spread out over most of the U.S. and I am very curious as

>to what each of us feeds our sheep on a regular basis. 
>
>Just curious if you have a minute...what do you feed???
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Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)

[Johnson, Oneta]

I am glad others leave their ram out.  I only seperate my ewes for the first 
few days to let them and the babies have time together or if one just needs 
some alone time.  One of my ewes just had twins, way off of my others.  She 
wanted out of the pen and I let her.  She had them behind the barn and is very 
happy being away.  Most of my girls lamb the first of the year and in the fall. 
 I let mother nature take its course. We feed alf/corn and grass hay and 
alfalfa and vit/min. They all seem to do well.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:48 PM
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We leave our ram year round. The ewes only bread when they are able to. We 
have some that breed after the lamb is 4 weeks and some that don't breed 
until the lamb is 3 or 4 months old. It just depends on the ewe. All are fed 
hay/alfalfa mix some grain and mineral & protein blocks year round so all 
are seemingly healthly. We have ram lambs for sale for breeders and a some 
ewes also.  Nancy - Mossysprings Ranch 

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Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

[Johnson, Oneta]

What I have found so far.  If you can do the cards you can do them yourself and 
save the vet charge.  You just have to monitor what you are touching and get 
them mailed.  If you do blood pull you have to use a purple tube and for me 
that is for a vet.  I do not handle blood well.  AS I find out more will post 
it. oj

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol
J. Elkins
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 11:03 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing


I've managed to learn the magic words that will help us locate other labs 
to do non-jugular blood collection for scrapie testing. The words are "FTA 
cards." A quick Google search taught me that alpaca breeders use these as a 
requirement to prove parentage for registering their alpacas. Then I 
learned that the cards used to collect the blood are called Whatman FTA 
cards and can be purchased from the major lab supply companies (Whatman, 
Fischer Scientific, etc.). But then I struck gold when I found the Web site 
for Genaissance 
(http://www.genaissance.com/products_services/scrapie.html). They do the 
testing, sell the cards, and also give you a discount if you purchase a 
specific card, even if you don't get it from them.

All of the APHIS-approved scrapie testing labs 
(http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/nahps/scrapie/app-labs-genotype-test.html#labs 
) will do FTA cards, so the next step would be to work down the list and do 
some price comparison. When you talk to them, ask if they will do cotton 
swab samples and what surcharge, if any, they apply. Seems to me that a 
Q-tip is a heck of a lot cheaper than an FTA card, but not if a lab adds a 
$6.00 surcharge for the additional labor it costs them to process the sample.

Let us know what you find out if any of you pursue this. I'd be very 
interested in finding a lab that will distinguish H and K alleles at Codon 
171 in addition to the traditional R and Q. That K allele could turn out to 
be very important in blackbelly genetics, and if we're going to test our 
sheep, we might as well obtain as much information as possible from the 
test. My gut feeling is that it won't be sufficient to learn that a sheep 
is RR, QR, or QQ; our sheep may contribute to scrapie resistance at the K 
allele.


Carol


At 09:41 AM 5/25/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>The place noted here is no longer doing testing.  Does anyone else have a 
>good place to do theirs.  I liked not having to do blood as vets are not 
>to easy to track down that will pull blood.  Thanks

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[blackbelly] scrapie testing

[Johnson, Oneta]

The place noted here is no longer doing testing.  Does anyone else have a good 
place to do theirs.  I liked not having to do blood as vets are not to easy to 
track down that will pull blood.  Thanks
Oneta

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Haese KB9LIE
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing


Spider gene testing is basically for Suffolks and Suffolk crosses so
don't worry about that with hair sheep.

I use C.R. Biotech for scrapie DNA testing and have been very pleased.
See their website:

http://www.chiggerridge.net/

and select the Scrapie Genotyping button. No blood involved. You
collect cell samples on a cotton swab from the inside corner of the eye
and put it in a labelled snack-size baggie. They check all three codons
for the same price and you get a certificate back. That's nice when
selling breeding stock.

I have no idea if they would negotiate on volume pricing. They are hair
sheep breeders as well as a testing lab.

Peg Haese in SW Wisconsin

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[blackbelly] scrapie testing

[Johnson, Oneta]

The place noted here is no longer doing testing.  Does anyone else have a good 
place to do theirs.  I liked not having to do blood as vets are not to easy to 
track down that will pull blood.  Thanks
Oneta

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Haese KB9LIE
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing


Spider gene testing is basically for Suffolks and Suffolk crosses so
don't worry about that with hair sheep.

I use C.R. Biotech for scrapie DNA testing and have been very pleased.
See their website:

http://www.chiggerridge.net/

and select the Scrapie Genotyping button. No blood involved. You
collect cell samples on a cotton swab from the inside corner of the eye
and put it in a labelled snack-size baggie. They check all three codons
for the same price and you get a certificate back. That's nice when
selling breeding stock.

I have no idea if they would negotiate on volume pricing. They are hair
sheep breeders as well as a testing lab.

Peg Haese in SW Wisconsin

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[blackbelly] Lambs for sale

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have several a/bb's, bb/blk haw and bb mix 06 lambs. Prices range from 75 - 
100.00. If anyone is interested contact me on my home email at [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] can get pics and more info as requested. I am located in central OK. 
 Thank you.
Oneta


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Re: [blackbelly] Lammie Letter

[Johnson, Oneta]

I would like to see it.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Lee
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:29 PM
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Subject: [blackbelly] Lammie Letter


Hi Folks!

I am trying out a new idea, in the form of a flyer, announcing new 
lambs.  If anyone is interested, I would love to send you a copy.  It is 
a 2.26 MB Word document.  If you would like to have a look please 
contact me at
lee@ ccwebster.net (omit the space).  It is a first try so it's pretty 
crude, but others might like the idea and want to adopt it!

Thanks and have a great day!

Barb Lee 


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Re: [blackbelly] Ram Horns

[Johnson, Oneta]

That almost sounds like a jacob ram. 
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Elaine Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 3:20 PM
To: blackbelly
Subject: [blackbelly] Ram Horns


We are wondering if anyone else has ever experienced this.  We have a ram
who was born on 02/28/06 who has had a rather narrow set of horns that have
been coming in for the last few weeks, they almost look like pencils and
they point directly back instead of curving outward.  Yesterday, we noticed
that he has a second set of horns coming in, one below each one of his
ears.  The new set appears to be curving forward and they also appear to be
narrow.  He is a twin, the other one is a ewe.  This is the third lambing
that the mother has had with us - the first was a single ewe, second was a
single ram, and this one which is her third was twins, a ram and ewe.  The
sire has normal horns as does his grand-sire.  His body type is also
stockier than all of the other ram lambs that have been born here, and his
head is enormous compared to the other ram lambs - kind of big and round
and when he was born we laughed and said his head looked like a buffalo,
complete with spiked hair.  
 
Just curious if anyone has any feedback as we have not seen or heard of
this happening within our type of flock.
 
Elaine 


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[blackbelly] my ram

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. I am heartbroken.  I got up this am and Bob our ram has broken off at least 
4" of  his horn.  I wonder what the tree looks like.  Well now I want to know 
do I need to do anything.  I know its dead skin but .  I am just heartbroken. 
He had such a wonderful rack.  Thanks for all the help.

Oneta Johnson

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[blackbelly] my ram

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK. I am heartbroken.  I got up this am and Bob our ram has broken off at least 
4" of  his horn.  I wonder what the tree looks like.  Well now I want to know 
do I need to do anything.  I know its dead skin but .  I am just heartbroken. 
He had such a wonderful rack.  Thanks for all the help.

Oneta Johnson

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Re: [blackbelly] For Sale--Purebred Polled Barbados Blackbelly Ram Lamb

[Johnson, Oneta]

Carol
What do you have to do to get the genotype test.  I asked the vet that I use 
here in OK and he had no info. I would probably have to haul to prague or 
chandler.  Thanks OJ

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J. Elkins
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:25 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] For Sale--Purebred Polled Barbados Blackbelly Ram
Lamb


Folks, I have one remaining ram lamb for sale that I can now make available 
to the public. This ram's sire is genotyped RR for scrapie at codon 171. 
(Just received these results from the lab a couple weeks ago.) Therefore, 
the lamb is guaranteed to have at least one R alele, which will help you 
work toward a genetically scrapie-resistant flock.

Price: $175

His photo is at http://www.critterhaven.biz/sale/livestock.htm

Ron Keener is scheduling his next April/May run, so if you want to 
transport this ram, please contact Ron soon. His fee will be around $400. I 
will hold the ram for 30 days upon receipt of a 50% deposit.

Please contact me as soon as possible if you wish to purchase this ram. 
Unfortunately, I do not have any ewe lambs to go with him, but hopefully 
will have some later this fall.

Carol
Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
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Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing

[Johnson, Oneta]

Well I think I may go that way.  To bad they are not an approved lab.  I have 
called 2 vets close by and no one will pull blood on sheep so this will be a 
great benefit.  Thanks OJ 

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Haese KB9LIE
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:10 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing


Spider gene testing is basically for Suffolks and Suffolk crosses so
don't worry about that with hair sheep.

I use C.R. Biotech for scrapie DNA testing and have been very pleased.
See their website:

http://www.chiggerridge.net/

and select the Scrapie Genotyping button. No blood involved. You
collect cell samples on a cotton swab from the inside corner of the eye
and put it in a labelled snack-size baggie. They check all three codons
for the same price and you get a certificate back. That's nice when
selling breeding stock.

I have no idea if they would negotiate on volume pricing. They are hair
sheep breeders as well as a testing lab.

Peg Haese in SW Wisconsin

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Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Testing

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK.  Next question.  What all should you test for.  They show for sheep they 
can scrapie condon, archived dna and spider.  Thanks.
OJ

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Wintermutes
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:52 AM
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Oneta,

You have to have blood drawn by the vet (vacuum tube style).  Then you or
the vet(our vet did everything) send it to GeneCheck.  Their website is
www.genecheck.com

The forms and pricing is all online at their website.

This is the lab we use for testing.


Sharon Wintermute
 


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Re: [blackbelly] New Web site

[Johnson, Oneta]

I checked out one of the sites lited on yours.  I downloaded a trial one and it 
looks like it may work.  I will just have to transfer all of my old files over. 
 Thank you for your info.

PS
Does anyone have a good clip art of the ribbons or flags for support your 
troops.  My sister just got back from over there but a lot of her fellow 
soldiers are still there.  
oj

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J. Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:47 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] New Web site


I created this record sheet myself based on one that I saw somewhere else, 
but I can't remember where now. There are a lot of sheep record programs, 
some very inexpensive. You can find links to some of them on my Links page. 
I keep a database in Microsoft Access, but that program is not for the 
faint-of-heart. I would never use it again, but I can't change now because 
I have so much information in the database.

For those of you who haven't visited my Web site recently, you might want 
to have a look. I gave the poor old site a total face lift a couple months 
ago, added a lot of new content, and made the site a lot easier to 
navigate. Pay attention to navigation panels on both the right and left 
sides of the screen. This site has the most comprehensive gathering of 
information on blackbelly sheep in existence. Feedback is always welcome, 
especially if your feedback can help make the site better. Please send your 
feedback to me privately so as not to clutter the list.

http://www.critterhaven.biz

Enjoy!

Carol

On 3/15/2006 9:25:48 AM, blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info wrote:
 > I keep records set up like I keep on my horses.  However I like some of
 > the things on you flock record.  Did you make it or did you purchase it.
 > If so where.  I like the genealogy and pic info.
Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the
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Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags

[Johnson, Oneta]

I know I am 100% against what they are planning.  They can LAW you to death and 
make sure people get out of the animal business.  I keep good records on all my 
animals and pay enough for it now. I do not think I can afford anymore.
oj

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I really don't know about other states but when the NAIS is implemented the 
scrapies tags probably won't be used.  We will all have to buy a $2 tag per 
animal that has a chip in it so it can be read by a scanner.  Apparently 
there will another system for flocks of birds and swine.
My understanding on the horses is that they will have a rice size implant 
next to the mane.  This will cost around $25.00 for each horse, mule, 
donkey.
The vet here used to pay 25 cents for each animal health certificate.  Texas 
Animal Health now charges $5 per certificate.
There will always be more laws enacted by the suits that only know an office 
and have no idea where the food that they eat comes from!!!
Extremely frustrating and just downright scary.
Rhonda
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags


>I use the small brass ear tags I get from Jeffers and have never had any
> problem with them yet. As Carol says, they are small and fit the delicate
> little ears of our sheep just perfectly.
> Helen
>
> You wrote;
> I am ordering ear tags for the mandatory scrapie program administered in
> California and have a choice between metal tags that come in a box of 100 
> or
> plastic tag- wide style, come in box of 20. Does anyone know which would 
> be
> better to use for American Blackbelly sheep?
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags

[Johnson, Oneta]

I keep records set up like I keep on my horses.  However I like some of the 
things on you flock record.  Did you make it or did you purchase it.  If so 
where.  I like the genealogy and pic info.
Oneta
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J. Elkins
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:12 AM
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The small brass ear tags are best for lambs, but they are NOT a scrapie 
tag. This is an apples-and-oranges thing. I recommend the small brass tag 
as a way of identifying the lamb at birth. And that tag will never fall out 
when applied as a lamb. I have tagged adult ewes with the small brass tags 
and had a couple fall out. Their ears are so thick that the tag can't make 
it all the way through to connect to its clasp.

The free tags that you get as part of the mandatory scrapie program vary by 
state. Like California, Colorado offers both the metal and the plastic 
tags. I tried the metal scrapie tags and they ripped the ears of even my 
adult ewes. That's when I switched to the Premier 2X tags.

Also, see my Powerpoint slide show about tagging and recordkeeping at 
http://www.critterhaven.biz/info/articles/recordkeeping.htm It is a large 
file and may take awhile to download. Toward the end of the slides, you'll 
see a picture of where and how to apply both the brass and the scrapie tags.

Carol


At 10:22 PM 3/14/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>I use the small brass ear tags I get from Jeffers and have never had any
>problem with them yet. As Carol says, they are small and fit the delicate
>little ears of our sheep just perfectly.
>Helen
>
>You wrote;
>  I am ordering ear tags for the mandatory scrapie program administered in
>California and have a choice between metal tags that come in a box of 100 or
>plastic tag- wide style, come in box of 20. Does anyone know which would be
>better to use for American Blackbelly sheep?
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags

[Johnson, Oneta]

If anyone can read the march Quarter horse jrnl issue they have a small article 
about them wanting horses to be tagged also.  It was asked why.  We do not eat 
our guys so it is not for butchering and we haul them all over the place for 
various reasons.  We have to do a lot of paper work for current laws, i.e.. 
coggins, etc.  I worry if this becomes law it will do more harm than good.  
What has anyone else seen, heard or read about other animals, horses, etc. 

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Are other states like TX about tagging?  We do NOT have to tag until the 
animal leaves the ranch and then only if they are 18 months or older or sold 
for breeding stock.  I do NOT use the premise tag as an ID tag.
And if the NAIS becomes law --  the same holds true.  It will be for 
tracking animals that leave your premise ONLY.  In other words :YOU WILL NOT 
BE REQUIRED TO TAG ANIMALS THAT WILL REMAIN ON YOUR LAND OR ANIMALS THAT 
WILL NOT BE COMINGLED WITH SOMEONE ELSES ANIMALS.
And I agree with Carol.  IT is another freedom lost !
Rhonda
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To: 
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Scrapie Ear Tags


> The only ear tag that works, in my opinion, is Premier's 2X tag. It has
> been approved for most states' mandatory tags. I think it is the "plastic
> tag-wide style" that you are referring to. Please check, however.
>
> Even so, these tags are not suitable for lamb ears because our sheep have
> very tiny and fragile ears at birth. Wait as long as possible before
> applying the tag, preferably until the lamb is 5-6 months old. To enable
> easy identification of lambs, use the small brass tags sold by Premier and
> apply shortly after birth. I have never lost one of these tags yet.
>
> Carol
>
> At 10:25 PM 3/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>>I am ordering ear tags for the mandatory scrapie program administered in
>>California and have a choice between metal tags that come in a box of 100
>>or plastic tag- wide style, come in box of 20. Does anyone know which
>>would be better to use for American Blackbelly sheep?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for your help!
>
> Carol Elkins
> Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
> (no shear, no dock, no fuss)
> Pueblo, Colorado
> http://www.critterhaven.biz
> T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the
> Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep
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[blackbelly] blackbelly - NAIS

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have been sending the nais info out to all animal friends. They even had a 
write-up in the Quarter Horse Jrnl. This is an email I got from a friend. She 
does not think it is anything to worry about and I told her if she went to some 
of the meetings she just might be surprised. I did take her email off for 
safety/privacy reasons. It is amazing how much the govt does not want us to 
know. Big brother is watching. 
Oneta -Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:15 AM
To: Johnson, Oneta
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] blackbelly Digest, Vol 2, Issue 44

Oneta, 
>From my understanding, this only to chip them when they are sold, and only if 
>used for food consumption, being a Department of Agriculture employee, I 
>talked to one of the guys several months ago. With the advent of Mad cow 
>disease, and the bird flu, this seemed to be a logical choice. If you expect 
>the government to take care of you, you have to make so consilation. Would you 
>not be the first to complain if a family member contracted a deadly disease 
>and it could have been prevented in this manner? 
Nina 


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[blackbelly] Recall: NAYS INFO

[Johnson, Oneta]

Johnson, Oneta would like to recall the message, "NAYS INFO".
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[blackbelly] info on basic h

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK.  I have been using my basic H on the sheep with a good result.  I have a 
friend that wants to know if you can use it on pigs. I have no idea or how much 
you would use.  I put 1/2 cup to 5 gal of water for the sheep.  Any ideas.  
Thanks 
Oneta 


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Re: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial

[Johnson, Oneta]

I loved it.  I have not laughed that hard in a long time.  oj

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J. Elkins
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:44 AM
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Subject: [blackbelly] American Blackbelly in Superbowl commercial


Did any of you catch the American Blackbelly in the Budweiser commercial 
during the 2006 Superbowl?

In cased you missed it, have a look here:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6405149872126763049

You may need to replay it a couple of times...look just before the streaker 
wiggles her butt.

Carol
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Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS

[Johnson, Oneta]

I was gone yesterday and missed out on this debate.  My dad is in his 70's and 
so is his wife.  She keeps telling me that after all the (&%$&()_ we have gone 
through with the new Medicare drug system. (I do not care what the govt says it 
is a pain to figure out and not as good as what they had last year). She fears 
that the govt is going to start putting the elderly in homes where they are put 
down like an old animal.  It is starting to sound more and more like Hitler 
times if you ask me.  They start with little things and keep growing.  Sheep 
first people next.
Oneta

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Cecil, I fear this is much more dire than simply wanting more tax money. 
Our government has long been working outside the boundaries that we defined 
when we created it to be our SERVANT government via the Constitution and 
the BIll of Rights. The NAIS is one step closer to a total national ID 
system for people. Radio chips in all of us, implanted at birth just as we 
are now automatically assigned a national ID number (Social Security 
number). (Americans are now being told these are a great way to keep track 
of children and elderly adults with alzheimers.) By outsourcing the 
database to the Beef Association, it relinquishes responsibility for 
security or accountability. But all of that aside, what it means to simple 
Joes like you and me is that we will be paying for this. All Americans will 
pay for this. Shepherds will pay in labor and time, and costs of tagging 
and inconvenience. Americans will pay because we will need to pass these 
costs onto the market, so the price of meat in the food chain will rise. 
And we all will pay because we have relinquished one more aspect of our 
privacy and self-determination to the government. And, as Helmut said, most 
Americans already believe that government control and care are good things. 
We forget that we are the only nation in the entire world to have as a 
basis of our government a document that recognizes that humans are NOT 
subjects of their governments and that, in fact, our government is servant 
to US. The government is coloring so far outside the lines of our 
Constitution that I fear only another total revolution can regain the 
freedoms that we have already allowed our government to take from us.

I'll stop now. It raises my blood pressure.

Carol


 > This is all just a guise to get more taxes.  Livestock trading has long
 > been
 > a sore spot with the IRS folks cause they
 > can't trace it...

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Re: [blackbelly] Lambs Born

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have a question.  I have a young ewe, not yet 1 yoa, who had her 1st lamb.  
He is itty bitty, teeny, tiny.  My twins born the same day are bigger than him. 
He is nursing well and mom is being a good mom.  I keep checking his tummy to 
make sure he has a belly and watch him nurse.  Tail goes crazy and mom is 
putting out the milk.  I am trying not to mess with them and let her be a mom 
but I keep thinking I need to do something with him so small.  She has good 
weight and they both seem happy campers.  Am I being paranoid or do I need to 
worry.  The closest sheep vet is a ways off and I do not want to haul them if I 
can keep from it.
Has anyone else seen little guys to 1st time moms.  oj

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Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:23 PM
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Subject: [blackbelly] Lambs Born


Well since everyone is speaking of lambs . We have had 113 live  lambs born 
since Jan 1 to 64 ewes total. Some of these are Jacobs but over half are 
black bellies of some sort. We lost 7 others for various reasons. We are not 
done lambing yet. But I hope they hold off for about another week because we 
have a terrible cold snap coming with high winds to boot. Good Luck to 
everyone else whose going to be lambing soon! It sounds like we all had some 
very busy rams last fall! Nancy 

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[blackbelly] lambs

[Johnson, Oneta]

I do not usually brag but was excited when I got home from work yesterday.  Had 
3 Valentine babies.  Twins out of my bb ewe.  Both rams.  One is bb and one is 
painted desert.  Not sure where that came from.  One out of my cream bb.  This 
is her first and he is tiny.  We have decided his name is Cupid.  The others 
are probably going to be Casanova and Valentino.  
Oneta
McLoud, OK


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Re: [blackbelly] Delta Airlines - Pet Alert

[Johnson, Oneta]

I guess I have always been lucky.  All my dogs and livestock have been 
transported by me, friends or family.  OJ

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carol
J. Elkins
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 AM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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Oneta, I pretty much had the same experience the one and only time I 
shipped a lamb to California using Delta Dash as the carrier. Lamb arrived 
IN SPITE of Delta, not BECAUSE of Delta. I'll never use them again.

Small livestock breeders are finding it more and more difficult to ship 
animals across the U.S. The licensed transport companies operate under a 
lot of federal restrictions. My vet told me about a new law requiring 
transport companies to unload all stock on a trailer every 12 hours. Can 
you imagine what our blackbellies would do while being unloaded at an 
enforced "rest stop"?

That's why folks like Ron Keener, Edgar Ranch, and First Class Transport 
are so important to us. They are private "farmers" agreeing to haul your 
sheep in their trailer and thus are not subject to the same rules as the 
public transport companies. Some of you may be wondering why I allow these 
vendors to announce their routes on our listserv. I apologize if you are 
annoyed by what could justifiably be considered "spam," but I truly believe 
they are providing a critical service to the sheep industry, and I'm 
willing to tolerate their sometimes lengthy emails to support them.

Carol

At 08:08 AM 2/14/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>I got this from one of my dog groups.  Wanted to pass it along. This could 
>happen to any animal that had to be shipped to a new home.

Carol Elkins
Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep
(no shear, no dock, no fuss)
Pueblo, Colorado
http://www.critterhaven.biz
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[blackbelly] Delta Airlines - Pet Alert

[Johnson, Oneta]

I got this from one of my dog groups.  Wanted to pass it along. This could 
happen to any animal that had to be shipped to a new home.  

__ 
> This is kinda long but for those who are breeders
> and ship their
> 
> 
> 
> doggies or those who buy a pup from a breeder who
> ships this
> 
> could save some troubles.
> 
> 
> 
> ***  Crossposted WITH permission FYI...
> 
>   Please crosspost!!!
> 
>   
> 
>
> 
> Last Friday had to  be one of the very most
> frustrating days of
> 
> my entire   life.  Never have I encountered, all at
> once, such a
> 
> group of  un-co-operative uncaring people all
> working at  the
> 
> same company.  The  company is Delta  Airlines.
> Looking back, I
> 
> should have realized that something was different. 
> I have
> 
> shipped puppies with  Delta for
> 
> over  30 years.  This time, when I called  the Pets
> First desk
> 
> to make the  reservation, at about 6  am one morning
> I got a
> 
> recording telling me that it   was closed and that I
> should call
> 
> back during office hours.  The  recording did not
> say what those
> 
> office hours were.
> 
>   
> 
> When I finally  did  get through to them later in
> the day after
> 
> being on  hold "waiting for the  next available
> representative"
> 
> for  25 minutes I made a reservation for  last
> Friday, Feb. 3,
> 
> 2006 for a puppy to go "Pets First" from Ft. Myers
> FL to
> 
> Bloomington, Illinois, with a change of planes in 
> Atlanta.   I
> 
> specifically asked them to check that  the planes
> were big
> 
> enough for a  200 crate, and was  assured that both
> were full
> 
> size Delta jets.
> 
>
> 
> I went up to the airport cargo on Thurs. Feb. 2 to 
> do the
> 
> paper work  , surrender the health  certificates,
> etc. since the
> 
> flight was at 6:55 on   Friday morning and this
> would simplify .
> 
> On Friday  morning, I  took  puppy, crate,
> newspaper, towel,
> 
> stuffed  toy, baby blanket, an  unopened bottle of
> water , dry
> 
> food in a zip lock bag, and plastic dishes attached
> to  the door
> 
> of the shipping crate.  Every inch of the  crate 
> and  all items
> 
> were examined, approved, and placed  in or
> 
> taped to the  crate.  This was at 5:30 in the 
> morning. 
> 
>   
> 
> My name and number, owner  to  be's name and number,
> were on at
> 
> least 3 pieces of paperwork  attached to  the
> 
> crate.  My name, address, and  telephone number are
> on the crate
> 
> side in black laundry  marker.
> 
>   
> 
> Puppy was to arrive in Bloomington  at  11:30.   At
> that time
> 
> the new owner called  me.  The puppy was  not on
> 
> the plane. She was  frantic.  No one had called
> either of  us.
> 
> The  airline did not know where he was.  An
> 
> hour later he  was  located in Atlanta.  They
> informed us that
> 
> he  was not on the plane  because they had used
> 
> a different  plane that did not allow dogs.  So 
> they just let
> 
> him sit there.  THEY NEVER CALLED TO LET  US KNOW!.
> 
>   
> 
> No other flight with appropriate  plane was
> scheduled hat  day.
> 
> It was then arranged  that he would fly (at
> 
> 2:40 pm) to Peoria,  Illinois and  arrive there at
> 3:20 (change
> 
> of time zones) .  OK -  things  happen.  Not
> 
> happy, but puppy would get  there and new owner 
> would drive to
> 
> get him in  Peoria.  Then 3:20 arrived, so did
> 
> the plane, and  THE PUPPY WAS NOT ON THE PLANE.   
> THEY NEVER
> 
> CALLED  EITHER ONE OF US TO SAY THAT HE WOULD NOT BE
> ON  THE
> 
> PLANE.  I had called  the Pet First Desk and been on
> hold for 60
> 
> minutes one time before giving  up and 50 minutes
> another to
> 
> make sure he was on the plane and  never  contacted
> a real
> 
> person.  The tracking
> 
> site  on the Delta web site would  not show
> anything.  A real
> 
> person told us later that they DO NOT TRACK  DOG
> 
> SHIPMENTS, ONLY PLANES. 
> 
>   
> 
> It took two hours  for them to find him,  still at
> the Atlanta
> 
> airport.  I was FRANTIC - I am 10 hours  away from 
> Atlanta. 
> 
> The new owner (at the airport in Peoria)  was
> frantic.  Once
> 
> they located him ( I am going," has he been out to 
> potty, has
> 
> he got water, was  he offered food?" - oh yes, he is
> fine, right
> 
> here in  front of me wagging tail)
> 
>   
> 
> Arrangements made  to put him on a  plane at 8:40
> pm. Got
> 
> through to the pet  desk at 9:00 - NO - THE  PUPPY
> 
> WAS NOT ON THAT FLIGHT -  HE WAS STILL IN ATLANTA. 
> Told to call
> 
> a  "logistics"  number I found that he had
> 
> not been put on that flight because  it  was
> carrying dry ice.
> 
> BUT THEY NEVER CALLED  EITHER OF US TO  TELL
> 
> US-WHY WHY  WHYsilence. 
> Now, they told
> 
> me, he  would have to go to a kennel as they
> 
> couldn't keep him at the  airport  for over four
> hours. I am to
> 
> the screaming stage  - he has already BEEN  at
> 
> the D-- airport for over 12  hours. Is the puppy
> OK, i

[blackbelly] Rescue operation in need of assistance.

[Johnson, Oneta]

I got this email sent to me.  I am going to send it to all my buddies and etc. 
list, if you have connections, etc that can help please send it on.  For those 
not aware this is in Oklahoma from all the fires.  Also, if you have any good 
rain prayers we could use them. We have had fires way to close to our house and 
have had to get the sheep out so we only had to deal with the horses and dogs. 
Thanks. Oneta

__
>
>
> This was forwarded to me by a friend and coworker at RSC (Earline
> Cottet).  If you care to help them get back into operation, I'm sure it
> would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Hello, everyone!
>
> I just received an email through my dog agility club that a friend of
> mine named Kim Bowers was wiped out by the wildfires on Saturday. A copy
> of Kim's email is below.  She operates the private dog rescue in Prague,
> Oklahoma, where I adopted my German shepherd (Jazz) in October. Her
> photo is attached.  Kim had driven all the way to New Orleans at her own
> expense and brought back Jazz and several other Hurricane Katrina dogs.
> Now Kim is the one who needs help.  She has lost everything including
> her home.  Thankfully, she somehow managed to save all but one of her
> animals, but all the food and supplies were destroyed including a barn
> full of hay for Kim's horses and a ton of grain.  So if you'd like to
> assist in any way, it will be greatly appreciated.  Cash donations can
> be made through her website below or you can email her if you have any
> type of supplies you can spare like dog crates, leashes, food pans, etc.
> And since Kim runs a non-profit dog rescue, your assistance
> will be tax deductible.
>
> Thanks, Earline
>
> http://www.oksaveadog.org/
>
>
>
> From:* K9saver 
> Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2006 5:09 PM
> Subject:* Re: Fires
>
> Yes unfortunately mine was one, thanks for checking. I am out of
> commission for a while, please spread the word if you can, whatever, I
> am in desperate need of help, my dog building burnt with a beautiful boy
> inside, but we only lost one dog, the house is standing but not livable.
> I lost my barn with 300 bales of hay, 1 ton of feed for the horses and
> several other things. I will let you know when I can get back on line,
> just checking mail at a friends house. Thanks, Kim
>
>
>
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Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?

[Johnson, Oneta]

Do you have his #.  I will call and get directions and when I get a chance go 
check him out.  Will be about a 1 1/2 drive but sounds like it would be worth 
it.  OJ

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From: Cecil Bearden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 5:36 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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I use ceterinary consulting service at El Reno.  Call Doc Eishen and he can 
ship you some  If you get a chance, you should visit him.  His small 
store has more in it than a 2 acre feed store  He is really great with 
nutrition...

Cecil Piedmont, OK
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From: "Johnson, Oneta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?


>
> cecil, where do you get your biotin.  around here, mcloud area, the feed 
> stores only carry mixes like for the horses not plain bioten. oj
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cecil Bearden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:45 PM
> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?
>
>
> Biotin is Vitamin H.  My sheep were laying around and acting like they had
> sore feet this summer.  When I checked their hooves, they felt soft in the
> middle.  I added Biotin to some supplement feed, and they were OK within 2
> days.  I add it regularly to some feed for treats now...  SKY H is one of
> the products.  Clovite also has it in it...  It is a horse supplement 
> too...
>
> Cecil in OKla
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Stephanie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?
>
>
>>
>> I've called the only vet  in this area that will "fool with"  sheep.
>> He's the one who told me to do the LA200, iron and vit E.  Maybe it is
>> wishful thinking, but last night she seemed to be "feeling" some better
>> (knock on wood).  She was walking around picking and when I went to
>> drench her, she was a little harder to catch.  She seemed to have more
>> energy and was carrying her ears up instead of them drooping down,
>> (which in my limited experience is a 'for sure' sign that one of them is
>> sick).   My odds for her at this point is 50/50.  As some one said on
>> this list before  " If they have food going in and poop coming out you
>> still have  hope."  Thanks to all who gave input.  Ohh--Cecil, what
>> is soft feet a symptom of, what is Boitin, and how does it help?  I've
>> always regarded your information as valuable!
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Stephanie Parrish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?
>>
>>
>>> Call the vet.
>>>
>>> At the very least, they can do a necropsy on her if she dies so you
>>> will  know what's going on. Especially since it appears to be a
>>> possible flock problem.  You could lose more than these two.
>>>
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?

[Johnson, Oneta]

cecil, where do you get your biotin.  around here, mcloud area, the feed stores 
only carry mixes like for the horses not plain bioten. oj

-Original Message-
From: Cecil Bearden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:45 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?


Biotin is Vitamin H.  My sheep were laying around and acting like they had 
sore feet this summer.  When I checked their hooves, they felt soft in the 
middle.  I added Biotin to some supplement feed, and they were OK within 2 
days.  I add it regularly to some feed for treats now...  SKY H is one of 
the products.  Clovite also has it in it...  It is a horse supplement too...

Cecil in OKla
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From: "Stephanie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?


>
> I've called the only vet  in this area that will "fool with"  sheep.
> He's the one who told me to do the LA200, iron and vit E.  Maybe it is
> wishful thinking, but last night she seemed to be "feeling" some better
> (knock on wood).  She was walking around picking and when I went to
> drench her, she was a little harder to catch.  She seemed to have more
> energy and was carrying her ears up instead of them drooping down,
> (which in my limited experience is a 'for sure' sign that one of them is
> sick).   My odds for her at this point is 50/50.  As some one said on
> this list before  " If they have food going in and poop coming out you
> still have  hope."  Thanks to all who gave input.  Ohh--Cecil, what
> is soft feet a symptom of, what is Boitin, and how does it help?  I've
> always regarded your information as valuable!
>
> Stephanie
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Stephanie Parrish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] tummy ache?
>
>
>> Call the vet.
>>
>> At the very least, they can do a necropsy on her if she dies so you
>> will  know what's going on. Especially since it appears to be a
>> possible flock problem.  You could lose more than these two.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb

[Johnson, Oneta]

Sorry, I did not think to say we are in Oklahoma so we do not usually have to 
worry about crazy temp changes, just wild fires this year.  I would go with 
what Susan said if you are north and cold.  Would be hard on the baby just like 
it is on us but if your south I say go out and play.  
Also, our guy still likes to but with the bigger dogs.  It is fun to watch as 
he keeps it real mild like he knows he could hurt him.  What personalities.  oj

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From: Susan Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:06 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb


Hi Elaine,  I probably am one of the few people who actually enjoy the 
experience of raising bottle babies.  I don't go snatch one just so I can do 
it, but it is for me a truely great experience.  I have bottle fed ram lambs 
and when old enough turned them out with the other ram lambs and just ignore 
them, and run them off if they get to close.  I have not had trouble with 
them being to friendly when I treat them this way.  Being in Michigan and if 
a lamb needs to be bottle fed it comes into the house until he/she is old 
enough to wean.  I don't put a lamb in and out of the house for fear of 
pneumonia.  I could raise a bottle lamb outside but if you have ever had to 
go outside every two hours in below zero weather with the wind 
blowing.well its to cold for me.  I have six dogs, Danes , G. 
Shepherd, and mixes of various sizes.  At first the dogs are all mushy and 
want to be all over the lamb.  But after awhile my dogs just adjust to a new 
member.  It gets a little weird around here when the lamb is old enough to 
start butting because they usually take on the dogs.  To funny.  I know this 
probably didn't help you much, but I sure had a good time remembering bottle 
babies in the house.  I know they are a pain to have inside, but they are so 
sweet  :-)  Susan









>From: "Elaine Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "blackbelly" 
>Subject: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb
>Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:24:02 -0600
>
>Hello Everyone,
>
>First of all, I must say that the timing of all of the suggestions for
>difficult births couldn't have been more perfect.  Unfortunately, we did
>not have most of the materials on hand when one of our ewes gave birth to
>twins this morning.  She accepted the ewe lamb, but rejected the much
>smaller ram lamb.  At first, I didn't even realize there were two little
>ones - our dogs discovered the second one.  I picked him up and tried to
>put him near his mother, but she kept gently butting him away and
>concentrated on the ewe lamb.  After driving 40 miles to town and getting
>Nutra 24 (which has stated on the label to feed ONLY colustrum replacement
>for the first 24 hours), I drove to the vet supply store to get colustrum
>replacement.  He was very happy to have his first feeding and had a smaller
>second feeding not too long after the first.  Total of about 8 oz.  He is
>resting on my lap as I am writing this, and all three of our dogs are
>incredibly interested in him.  I tried putting the lamb back in the pen
>with the rest of his herd, but when they saw me approaching they all stood
>up and when I entered the pen with the reject, they all walked as far away
>as they could.  I don't know what else to do besides keep him in the house
>with us for now.  The dogs (a Rottweiler and two German Shepherds) seem to
>be a little overbearing - licking and poking at his face and butt with
>their noses, and slobbering on him as much as they can.
>
>I know some of you have had to deal with bottle fed lambs (I am not
>thrilled that this one is a ram, but his lamb coat coloration is what we
>have been hoping for), and I was hoping for some input.  About how long
>will I need to wait before turning him back in with his herd?  Are there
>any other supplements that I should pick up?  I don't know if I need
>Nutradrench while I am feeding the Nutra 24 (this is for multi-animal use,
>with lambs specified on the label).  Should I be worried about our dogs? Or
>just watch them?
>
>Thanks for any suggestions.
>
>Elaine Wilson
>
>
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Re: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb

[Johnson, Oneta]

We had a rejected lamb that is going on 2 now.  We kept him in the house in a 
crate to keep him out of trouble and the dogs from picking on him.  Every time 
we went outside we took him.  Every time we went to the barn we took him.  We 
fed him before work and as soon as we got home and got him to nibble on grass 
and feed as soon as we could.  The biggest problem we still have is he thinks 
he is a dog.  He would rather play with them than stay with the herd.  It was 
terrible.  We had a fire just a mile from the house and to be safe shipped the 
sheep to a friends house that has a fire break around his pasture and barn.  
Went over to check on him and the others came to see if I was feeding but he 
followed me all the way to the gate and cried.  I felt like a terrible mom. 
Will get them this weekend.  Good luck with the baby.  

-Original Message-
From: Elaine Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:24 PM
To: blackbelly
Subject: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb


Hello Everyone,

First of all, I must say that the timing of all of the suggestions for
difficult births couldn't have been more perfect.  Unfortunately, we did
not have most of the materials on hand when one of our ewes gave birth to
twins this morning.  She accepted the ewe lamb, but rejected the much
smaller ram lamb.  At first, I didn't even realize there were two little
ones - our dogs discovered the second one.  I picked him up and tried to
put him near his mother, but she kept gently butting him away and
concentrated on the ewe lamb.  After driving 40 miles to town and getting
Nutra 24 (which has stated on the label to feed ONLY colustrum replacement
for the first 24 hours), I drove to the vet supply store to get colustrum
replacement.  He was very happy to have his first feeding and had a smaller
second feeding not too long after the first.  Total of about 8 oz.  He is
resting on my lap as I am writing this, and all three of our dogs are
incredibly interested in him.  I tried putting the lamb back in the pen
with the rest of his herd, but when they saw me approaching they all stood
up and when I entered the pen with the reject, they all walked as far away
as they could.  I don't know what else to do besides keep him in the house
with us for now.  The dogs (a Rottweiler and two German Shepherds) seem to
be a little overbearing - licking and poking at his face and butt with
their noses, and slobbering on him as much as they can.  

I know some of you have had to deal with bottle fed lambs (I am not
thrilled that this one is a ram, but his lamb coat coloration is what we
have been hoping for), and I was hoping for some input.  About how long
will I need to wait before turning him back in with his herd?  Are there
any other supplements that I should pick up?  I don't know if I need
Nutradrench while I am feeding the Nutra 24 (this is for multi-animal use,
with lambs specified on the label).  Should I be worried about our dogs? Or
just watch them?  

Thanks for any suggestions.

Elaine Wilson  


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Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP

[Johnson, Oneta]

Help again.  I have been reading about the maremma dogs.  Can you tell me how 
to contact your person you know of.  I have some questions they may be able to 
answer and might be able to help me find a breeder closer to home, Oklahoma.  
Thank you again.

PS
To all, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!

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From: Dayna Denmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:26 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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Hi Oneta,
First you have to decide on what type of dog you are looking for- that is a 
herding dog or a livestock guardian dog(LGD). Border Collies are herders, 
whereas the Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma breeds are LGD's. Ideally these 
dogs are "aggressive" towards any threat to the livestock(not you, your 
kids, the livestock, etc.).You need some level of aggressiveness for them to 
be successful guardians.
I have just finished fencing my perimeter property(whew!) and have been 
researching LGD's. Not to confuse you but if you can do some research on the 
Maremma. Every person I have talked to that has owned a Pyrenees or 
Anatolian before getting a Maremma says the same thing- The Maremma has 
turned out to be the better LGD.
As soon as the weather gets a little better here I am going for a visit to a 
Maremma breeder to see her dogs "in action". Her litter is due sometime in 
Feb., and the puppies are born in with the sheep. She told me she keeps the 
puppies a while so they get "trained" by their parents to be better 
guardians which sounds good to me- they need to bond with livestock to be 
good at their job.
Dayna


>From: "Johnson, Oneta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>To: 
>Subject: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:02:16 -0600
>
>
>OK I need some info.  I have always had border collies but my girl is 
>getting old and is due for retirement.  I have both sheep and horses along 
>with other barn dogs and CATS.
>Here in central OK I have seen several people having the great 
>pyrenees/ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD mix.  I have been around the pyrenees but never 
>the anatolian.  I read some on them and they seem to be prone to being 
>aggressive as a breed.  Has anyone dealt with them as a guard dog and what 
>are your feeling.  I do not want to breed.  My guys are usually spayed by 6 
>months as there are to many puppies out there.  Please help.
>Oneta
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Re: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP

[Johnson, Oneta]

Thanks for the info.  I have never had a guard dog as my border collie was good 
at everything.  She is going on 10 and came from MO where they worked sheep and 
she kept the coyotes away.  However we are now having problems with cougars 
here so I have been looking at the true guard dogs.  I have never herd of a 
maremma but I will look for info on them.  I have to just make sure what ever 
route I go can handle, sheep, horses, cats and dogs. Thanks OJ

-Original Message-
From: Dayna Denmark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:26 PM
To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
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Hi Oneta,
First you have to decide on what type of dog you are looking for- that is a 
herding dog or a livestock guardian dog(LGD). Border Collies are herders, 
whereas the Pyrenees, Anatolian, Maremma breeds are LGD's. Ideally these 
dogs are "aggressive" towards any threat to the livestock(not you, your 
kids, the livestock, etc.).You need some level of aggressiveness for them to 
be successful guardians.
I have just finished fencing my perimeter property(whew!) and have been 
researching LGD's. Not to confuse you but if you can do some research on the 
Maremma. Every person I have talked to that has owned a Pyrenees or 
Anatolian before getting a Maremma says the same thing- The Maremma has 
turned out to be the better LGD.
As soon as the weather gets a little better here I am going for a visit to a 
Maremma breeder to see her dogs "in action". Her litter is due sometime in 
Feb., and the puppies are born in with the sheep. She told me she keeps the 
puppies a while so they get "trained" by their parents to be better 
guardians which sounds good to me- they need to bond with livestock to be 
good at their job.
Dayna


>From: "Johnson, Oneta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>To: 
>Subject: [blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:02:16 -0600
>
>
>OK I need some info.  I have always had border collies but my girl is 
>getting old and is due for retirement.  I have both sheep and horses along 
>with other barn dogs and CATS.
>Here in central OK I have seen several people having the great 
>pyrenees/ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD mix.  I have been around the pyrenees but never 
>the anatolian.  I read some on them and they seem to be prone to being 
>aggressive as a breed.  Has anyone dealt with them as a guard dog and what 
>are your feeling.  I do not want to breed.  My guys are usually spayed by 6 
>months as there are to many puppies out there.  Please help.
>Oneta
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[blackbelly] GUARD DOGS - HELP

[Johnson, Oneta]

OK I need some info.  I have always had border collies but my girl is getting 
old and is due for retirement.  I have both sheep and horses along with other 
barn dogs and CATS.
Here in central OK I have seen several people having the great 
pyrenees/ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD mix.  I have been around the pyrenees but never the 
anatolian.  I read some on them and they seem to be prone to being aggressive 
as a breed.  Has anyone dealt with them as a guard dog and what are your 
feeling.  I do not want to breed.  My guys are usually spayed by 6 months as 
there are to many puppies out there.  Please help.  
Oneta
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Re: [blackbelly] Barn Mascot

[Johnson, Oneta]

I guess I am lucky. We are good on selenium.  I have to watch that for the 
horses also.  The vet has had me treat him for several things and Baily got 
real depressed and would not eat.  I stopped everything.  Just let him be a 
sheep.  He is fat and sassy and helps with the babies he just stays loose.  I 
am at my wits end.  It would probably work better if we had a vet that was 
strong in sheep but we do not around here in McLoud OK.  I think the closes one 
we have is about 1 1/2 hr away.  

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From: Barb Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:02 PM
To: Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Barn Mascot


>Question: I have a wether.  He is out of my bb ram and his mom is a 1/2 
>bb and 1/2 wooly.  He is the barn mascot >but we have problems with him 
>have the runs a lot.  He is wormed. Eats what the others get, etc.  No 
>one else, >including his mom or uncle have the runs.  Has anyone come 
>upon this and do you have any suggestions. oj

Couple of suggestions:  Try a coccidiostat.  I believe cocci is more 
liable to cause runs than worms.  Any blood in the manure is a sure 
sign.

My other suggestion is to find out if your area is selenium deficient. 
Your vet will know.  If it is, see if you can buy a dose of Bo-Se 
(injectable selenium/vitamin E) from the vet and administer that.  Bo-Se 
is good for about 45 days.  Next, check to make sure he's consuming 
adequate loose sheep mineral (no copper), with about 90 ppm selenium 
added.  Excess selenium is toxic so make sure your area is actually 
deficient before feeding more.  You can get a blood selenium test done 
by the vet too.

I seem to be having good results (knock on wood) with a better, more 
palatable sheep mineral with 90 ppm selenium in a stubborn loose stool 
problem.  Our area is severely selenium deficient.

I think some critters just don't ingest the minerals like others, which 
may explain why some are affected and some aren't.

Regards,
Barb L.



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Re: [blackbelly] Manure Happens

[Johnson, Oneta]

Question: I have a wether.  He is out of my bb ram and his mom is a 1/2 bb and 
1/2 wooly.  He is the barn mascot but we have problems with him have the runs a 
lot.  He is wormed. Eats what the others get, etc.  No one else, including his 
mom or uncle have the runs.  Has anyone come upon this and do you have any 
suggestions. oj
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Re: [blackbelly] Manure Happens

[Johnson, Oneta]

Question.  Where did you get all your info on how to check and equipment.  I 
know Farmstead has some stuff but are there others that may be cheaper, etc.  I 
have both horses and sheep and get tired of trying to get to the vet to have 
the fertilizer checked.  Not to mention it is expensive.  Thanks OJ

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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:11 PM
To: Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info@lists.blackbellysheep.info
Subject: [blackbelly] Manure Happens


I am going to flog an old subject, but I don't think it can be revisited 
too frequently - that is learning how to do our own fecal exams.  My 
little microscope has been the best management tool I've ever bought. 
Not just for the sheep.

Actually, the microscope saved me a worming cycle just a few weeks ago, 
when the sheep showed almost negative for parasites at a time when I 
would have "routinely" wormed them.  With lambing fast approaching I 
will check them again shortly, as I know this signals the worms to start 
shedding eggs like crazy.

I just checked my horses, who are constantly exposed.  The last time I 
wormed (with Basic-H), they showed totally negative for worms.  I 
checked today and they are definitely due.  I MUST order some more 
Basic-H!  (I've used most of the last of it, killing tens of thousands 
of box elder bugs.)

The reason this is especially important to me is because I've realized I 
can use the horses to clean off the dead and overmature grass off the 
pasture that neither the sheep nor cattle will eat.  (This will improve 
the pasture health, and will probably save me half my annual hay bill 
for the horses.) We've lived here 25 years and the horses have never 
been allowed to graze the main pasture (if you don't know horses, 
particularly "easy keepers," they have no shut-off valve and can eat 
themselves almost literally to death).

There are no horse parasites on that pasture.  I was going to turn them 
into a grazing cell for an hour this afternoon, but it doesn't make 
sense for me to have them take their friends along.  I'll be "cleaning 
them out" first.

I also have a new calf that's in the "training pens," learning about 
rotational grazing.  Her "sample" is under investigation right now.  She 
will be grazing part of the pasture that has rested from cattle for some 
time.  I'll be able to determine if she needs a worming before going to 
pasture.  And I'll know if worming is a waste of time and money.

And all these mysterious diseases that pop up.  So many are attributable 
to parasites.  Being able to do an on-the-spot fecal will either rule 
out or nail the culprit.  It'll tell you if your parasite control 
program is effective.  It'll tell a few other things in regards to 
disease control, too.  I got repeatedly told to worm worm worm for one 
animal.  I got told giardia, cocci, 
no-worms-but-worm-him-to-death-anyway...My strong suspicion of the 
source of THAT problem now, was selenium deficiency.

Anyway, it's a powerful tool for looking after the health of your 
animals.  Besides that, it's downright amusing!  :o)

Regards,
Barb L. 


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Re: [blackbelly] Barbados

[Johnson, Oneta]

Yes, and any details you can get. oj

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My wife and I are leaving for Barbados in the morning and will be there for 
a week. We hope to come across some sheep. We would be happy to share 
whatever pictures we take with all who wish to see them.

David & Susan Kellough
Ohio

 

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Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)

[Johnson, Oneta]

I got mine from farmstead supply.  Here is the web site. OJ  
http://www.farmsteadhealth.com/

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Great! Thanks Susan! I'm sold! Could someone please tell me where I can find 
this stuff?
Thanks,
Britt 

Susan Smith writes: 

> Hi Britt, My Llama lives with my sheep...drinks the Basic H just like 
> the sheep and does fine.  Sue 
> 
>  
> 
> Susan Smith
> Sandoah Achers
> www.sandoahachers.com
> American Blackbelly Sheep
> Painted Desert Sheep
> Barbado Sheep
> Mouflon X
> Black Hawaiian Sheep
> Texas Dall
> Corsican
><>< 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>> From: "Britt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>> To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
>> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:38:46 -0400 
>> 
>> Does anyone from this list have llamas? I keep my sheep and llamas 
>> together
>> at all times and if the basic h is not harmful to llamas this could be 
>> the
>> solution I was looking for. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Britt 
>> 
>> Susan Smith writes: 
>> 
>> > Stephanie,  I also have 60 ewes.   I put the 1/2 cup per 50 gallons in 
>> two
>> > seperate 50 gallon tubs for them.  Unless the water gets really nasty I 
>> do
>> > not change the water, just keep adding water to the tub so all the 
>> Basic H
>> > is consumed.  When I add more water I put the hose down into the water
>> > because if that is not done there is foam.  My sheep then think there 
>> is a
>> > monster living in the water and won't touch it til the foam is gone.
>> > Sheesh!  This is how I do it, and I do it once a month to all my 
>> animals
>> > including the fowl.  I really do not understand how or why it works, 
>> but
>> > just as long as they are all drinking from the tubs with Basic H in 
>> it..
>> > it works.  Sue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Susan Smith
>> > Sandoah Achers
>> > www.sandoahachers.com
>> > American Blackbelly Sheep
>> > Painted Desert Sheep
>> > Barbado Sheep
>> > Mouflon X
>> > Black Hawaiian Sheep
>> > Texas Dall
>> > Corsican
>> > <><
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "Stephanie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>> >>To: 
>> >>Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
>> >>Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:44:09 -0400
>> >>
>> >>Susan,
>> >>How many sheep will this 50 gallon treat?  If 10 sheep are drinking the
>> >>50 gallon they will naturally comsume more (of the basic H) than if 
>> they
>> >>were sharing the 50 gallon with  25 of their friends! What I'm asking 
>> is
>> >>this  We have 60 ewes, so how much Basic H would you recommend for
>> >>me to use if I wanted to treat them once a month as you do?
>> >>Thanks
>> >>Stephanie
>> >>
>> >>   Original Message -
>> >> > From: "Susan Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > To: 
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:30 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Yes, Basic H the all purpose cleaner.  I use 1/2 cup per 50 
>> gallons
>> >>of
>> >> > > water
>> >> > > for my sheep.  I use it once a month.  Sue
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>From: "Stephanie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > >>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
>> >> > >>To: 
>> >> > >>Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject)
>> >> > >>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:52 -0400
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>Barb,
>> >> > >>I noted, off and on, for several months that folks are talking 
>> about
>> >> > >>Basic Has a wormer and now as an insect control.  My question 
>> is
>> >> > >>this-?
>> >> > >>Are you talking about the Basic H All Purpose Cleaner?  If so, how
>> >>do
>> >> > >>you use it as a wormer?
>> >> > >>
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Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)

[Johnson, Oneta]

I have 10 to 15 sheep, (lambs included) at any given time.  I have a 20 gal tub 
and have been doing 1/4 cup.  It seems to be working for my guys.  oj

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Susan,
How many sheep will this 50 gallon treat?  If 10 sheep are drinking the
50 gallon they will naturally comsume more (of the basic H) than if they
were sharing the 50 gallon with  25 of their friends! What I'm asking is
this  We have 60 ewes, so how much Basic H would you recommend for
me to use if I wanted to treat them once a month as you do?
Thanks
Stephanie

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> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [blackbelly] (no subject)
>
>
> > Yes, Basic H the all purpose cleaner.  I use 1/2 cup per 50 gallons
of
> > water
> > for my sheep.  I use it once a month.  Sue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Stephanie Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info
> >>To: 
> >>Subject: [blackbelly] (no subject)
> >>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:05:52 -0400
> >>
> >>Barb,
> >>I noted, off and on, for several months that folks are talking about
> >>Basic Has a wormer and now as an insect control.  My question is
> >>this-?
> >>Are you talking about the Basic H All Purpose Cleaner?  If so, how
do
> >>you use it as a wormer?
> >>
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Re: [blackbelly] Prices

[Johnson, Oneta]

This was at Gainesville's sale.

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Sheep are still high here in Central TX.  Can't imagine what happened up
there!!
Rhonda
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> I think it's just the region you're in. There was a recent thread about
low
> sheep prices in Texas and how they're losing value over there. In Florida
> adult rams and ewes go anywhere from $150-$300 and yearlings and weanlings
> are cheaper averaging from $100-$150.
>
> Johnson, Oneta writes:
>
> >
> > Hey everyone.  Has anyone sold lambs/sheep at market lately.  I was
> > shocked.  Sent a nice size, 7 month old ram with a good set of horns on
> > him to TX yesterday (we are in OK). Needless to say he is back home
> > today.  PO'd him at 25.00 and from what I was told by several people,
> > almost all the sheep were PO'd, wool and hair.  None going for much.
> > What have you seen lately.
> > Thanks OJ
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[blackbelly] Prices

[Johnson, Oneta]

Hey everyone.  Has anyone sold lambs/sheep at market lately.  I was
shocked.  Sent a nice size, 7 month old ram with a good set of horns on
him to TX yesterday (we are in OK). Needless to say he is back home
today.  PO'd him at 25.00 and from what I was told by several people,
almost all the sheep were PO'd, wool and hair.  None going for much.
What have you seen lately.  
Thanks OJ

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