Re: [blackbelly] worming
Flax seed is also a major component in many supplenmts that peole who own performance animals use to help enhance skin and coat-- it provides quite a few EFAs ( essential fatty acids) that aid in skin health, espeicially if is has not been heat processed-- and, my vet suggested Iuse Flax seed oil to help keep inflammation down arounf my Chessies eyes-- guess what-- two tablespoons a day of a cold pressed Oil, and I haven't had him scratch a cornea since... Terry W --- Dayna Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nancy the dosage is about 1/4 cup per head of sheep for 3 consecutive days followed by 1/4 cup per head once a week or so all year round. Flax seed has a nutty flavor so I just top dress with it and the sheep love the taste. It's not inexpensive to use and it keeps better refrigerated but, like you, I was really looking for a product that is natural. For me it is worth it to spend a little more to have healthy sheep and not deal with chemical wormers. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] scrapie testing/Johnes Long
Barb-- you need to join the Living off the alnd list you have it down pat!!! Soil health IS super important to OUR health-- The is an environmental re=term-- called primary production which refers to the amount of energy produced directly from the sunlight interaction with plants. If the plants ar not healthy, that production DROPS Yo uhave the right idea, we can only help our sheep enjoy their natural reistance by doing what we can to make sure they have what they need to implement that resistance. Good, solid soapbox terry W ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] thistle
Be aware, using vinegar ismjust like using anyother herbicide-- if the day is not dry, warm, and sunny, you are wasting the effort-- you kinda have to follow the directions of a the commercial herbicides-- this from an arborist who [refers to use natural mathods Terry --- Paul Renee Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have very rocky terrain so thistles love certain areas of our property. In the past, Paul has sprayed with Roundup, but I wouldn't let him spray the areas the animals graze. Of course, now the places he sprayed years ago looks greatand the animal grazing areas have thistles! Yes, my sheep and goats won't touch them! So last week a neighbor mentioned using vinegar so I thought I'd try it. I filled up a spray bottle and began squirting those little buggers. It was a little hard on my back (VBG) but few days later, the leaves are turning brown! Now, I know they have strong roots so only time will tell as to whether or not this will work to kill the plantsor just kill the leaves that got the vinegar. I also sprayed a clump of clover and grass to see how they react, because if this really works, I'd like to spray the whole area, not just each individual plant! I'll keep you posted. -Renee - Original Message - From: Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2006 2:31 PM Subject: [blackbelly] thistle We have a field with allot of thistle in it. How do we get rid of it short of a shovel and hoe? without hurting the sheep. Is there a spray etc that can be put on it? Thanks for any ideas. Nancy _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Butchering
I was thinking using old refrigerator for smaller livestock-- like rabbits and chickens. this info is greatly appreciated-- thanks Terry --- Barb Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, Yes, it is a remote temperature controller. You stick a temperature sensing bulb inside the fridge/freezer and plug the freezer into the control unit which sits outside the freezer. It overrides the temp controller in the freezer. I think it is designed for beer lovers who convert them into keg coolers! Says it's for refrigerators/freezers, but apparently some home fridges have trouble getting down to the lower temps. You can see it at http://ceisites.com/9025.html The other problem we've found with most refrigerators is that they pretty much all have a freezer compartment, which reduces the area you have to hang a full carcass. Even our old freezer has two non-removeable shelves. Barb - Original Message - From: Terry Wereb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [blackbelly] Butchering Okay, what is a 'freezer tamer'? Its a way of regulating temp so the carcass cools without freezing? If so, can it be used on a refrigerator? Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] NAIS--Stan wants it only for cows
Carol, I just tried the link-- ans I get the response that the message is no longer available. Terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of you know that Stan Potratz, owner of Premier Fencing, has been a long-time supporter of the sheep industry and is an all-around good guy. Ever since the beginning of the National Animal Identification System (NAIS), he's maintained an objective view and has represented the sheep industry responsibly in discussions with the USDA and APHIS. It is not surprising, therefore, to read his latest newsletter in which he recommends that only cattle be subject to NAIS regulation. While I remain opposed to any form of mandatory animal ID scheme, his proposal at least makes sense to me. Have a look at http://view.exacttarget.com/?ffcb10-fe8f10767c660c7f74-fde915737d630d7c701d7 472-ff3815757464 Stan recommends that you write your congressmen and suggest they consider this approach. Carol Carol Elkins Critterhaven--Registered Barbados Blackbelly Hair Sheep (no shear, no dock, no fuss) Pueblo, Colorado http://www.critterhaven.biz T-shirts, mugs, caps, and more at the Barbados Blackbelly Online Store http://www.cafepress.com/blackbellysheep ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] constipated lamb
Oh, put your ear to the little guy's tummy and make sure you are still getting bowel sounds... And you can use mineral oil in the back end, as well-- use the lightweight stuff-- it seeps in better. Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] NoNAIS.org
Elaine- Several of the poultry people have attended some of the TAHC meetings-- There is nothing with with keeping informed, and letting the politicians know that you know what they are up to!!! Might make them a little uncomfortable..hehehehehe Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Stimulating a natural swallow
I thought I would post this for those who may need to 'force' some food into a reluctant adult or weak lamb. This works for many species of animals, and is great for those who do not wish to, or do not have the equipement to tube feed. 1. Animal must be conscious 2. Put the animal in a sternum down position--as in laying naturally-- but not on it's side.. think Sphinx position 3. Hold head up, with the end of jaw just slightly higher than the throat junction. 4. Administer, via dosing syringe, a small amount of the milk replacer or nutritional supplement, as far back in the mouth as possible, but NOT into the throat. 5. Lghtly hold mouth closed, taking care not to compress nasal passages. 6. Stroke gently, in one direction only, from jaw end to the sternum, on the front of the neck. 7. you should be able to sefeel te animal swallow. Sometimes, the animal will attempt to stick out it's tongue-- this is a good sign--that is a reflexive action to a weak swallow, and the animal is trying to force the bolus down further. It is important, when one has weakened animals, to keep them sternum down-- this help prevent pnuemonia from developing. Terry I hope this helps any of you that may have a weak lamb this season. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] new NAIS rule
Thanks Carol, that works a lot better... FOlks, Walter Jeffries, in Vermont has a website www.NoNAIS.org Has lots of usefull information and links- And all material you want, if you wish, to use to fight NAIS may be downloaded and used for free-- however, if you use it to support NAIS, he threatens to let his ram butt you into the next county, or something to that effect! I, myself, have been accused of wearing a tinfoil hat, but several people on a poultry list are indicating that NAIS reminds their older relatives of Hitler times. I see nothing wrong with requiring people to be responsible about their animals health, and making sure that a problem they have is not going to affect the whole population nationwide. But lets face it-- when Uncle Sam can step in and wipe out your livlihood just because a chicken fell over dead three miles away---it is time to fight.It is people like us, fighting to preserve the gene pool of rare/endangered breeds that will be most hurt by NAIS. Terry --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The government doesn't make it easy sometimes! ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Showy Crotalaria
Okay I thought I would provide a link for you all to check out-- as a friend in Ms raises goats, and a neighbor of hers had a goat just DIE-- and this plant was in the pasture, recently browsed. I am sending to both the consortium and Blackbelly list because I thought I had seen wehre a young ram that had been available for sale died suddenly, and it hit me that the general locale was about right. www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/cvtsp.htm also: www.lsuagcenter.com/en/crops_livestock/livestock/animal_health/horses/Horses+Poisoned+by+Showy+Crotalaria.html if this plant is out there in your pastures, it could explain some sudden deaths. Please, look for it. No one wants to lose a baby of ANY age to something that can be eliminated from the pastures. Terry W ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
[blackbelly] Questions on AB horns-- to aid in research---
hello folks-- this question is for all the American Blackbelly flock keepers out there--- Have you ever had, or do you know of, an American Blackbelly ram that produced POLLED ram lambs? Have you ever had, or do you know of, an American Blackbelly ewe that has had POLLED ram lambs when bred to a horned male? Terry W ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Breed Crossing
Why would you want to do that? Mixing genetics of two relatively rare breeds removes one more chance for the ewe to [pass on her genetics to others of her 'kind.' Terry --- Nancy Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were just wondering if anyone had ever crossed a Jacob 4 horn sheep with a Black Belly? If so what did you get? We were thinking about doing this but were wondering if anyone else had experimented either on purpose or by accident. Thanks ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Some of the article
Helmut, I would like permission to post what you said below to a site NoNAIS.org either that, or you could post yourself. Lot's of great links on it about what is going on... Terry --- hlang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't think that he overdramtized. Most of today's population are already top slaves and have no clue what real live is,free live. Lots of illusion, and let the Government do kind of live.. So it is good if someone does it as strong as possible, to send the message. Anyhow, it does not need long time and the humans on this continent are as weak as the sheep let them fight !Quality live is important, and where I live, they don't have a clue what quality live is. Working in the day in front of a computer or in factory, evening TV and beer...no energies to fight or to create. So we should be happy for every person able to understand and to wake others up. Regards Helmut ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] things you can do regarding NAIS
www.NoNAIS.org this site is owned by a Pastured Poultry listmember-- the discussion about NAIS on that list is quite heated at times. The government's agenda has been postponed- but it is still there. Most of us within the US can remember HOW the legislative process is supposed to work, but since we, as a nation, do not force that issue on our politicians, people who don't know which end of a cow produces the and which end the moo just legislate to keep money in their pockets. They Don't know the difference between a factory farm ( which can be organic or free range, by the way) and pastured livestock. LAst week, an Island in Germany was invaded my military personell and all fowl destroyed-- because a swan died from the cold-- the reasoning-- bird flu-- and NAIS is all about that type of mentality. We do need to fight-- with the weapons we have-- the constitution, letters, and votes, my friends. Speaking of votes, it is recommended that NO ONE votes either Republican or Democratic-- rather- cast your vote for one of the minor party candidates-- you will need to look for a lot of them, as they generally do not make it to the ballot list! Terry W --- Carol J. Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our government has long been working outside the boundaries that we defined when we created it to be our SERVANT government via the Constitution and the BIll of Rights. ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Lambs Born
Many young mothers and/or first time mothers have smaller babies. This applies to almost all species. It is sort of like the Momma is practicing the pregnancy, parturation and raising stuff. As long as Momma and baby are both behaving normally, the baby continues to gain and remain active, you are okay. Who knows, the little one may ony day be your most prized ram! Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] cider vinegar?
Carol, Does the AC vinegar need to have the mother in it to be effective? Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] for sale
Would county or state fairs have objections to exhibits that were not competeing? I noticed at my county's fair last year that there were no meat goats-- just dairy breeds. All the sheep were woolies. One lady had a Scottish Highland cow and her calf there-- but I believe it was entered as a beef contender. There is one person who brings Irish Dexter's-- and has a stand-up display of them working under yoke. Getting a bunch of rare breeds together under one tent, so to speak, may be a great way to spread the word about other issues-- to more than just agricultural people! And if the animals have been handled so that they are docile (with and without horns)and socialized to the experience, then that is all the better for ambassadorship. Terry W --- Rick Krach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I learned from him that lambs at our fair had to meet the minimum requirement of 80 pounds! No wonder kids can never show Blackbellies! Rick Krach Auburn, California (530) 889-1488 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] for sale
I figure do what the alpaca people did In other words-- create a demand!!! But not on the Alpaca scale--Quite frankly, I like Alpaca. llamas, etc-- but I am NOT going to pay the equivalent of what, for me, is two years of income for one animal! I will visit my extension office tomorrow and see if maybe I can get a foot into the 4-H door. There is not a lot of real animal agriculture going on in this county-- but the two neighboring counties are pretty much nothing but rural. A friend passed on to me, via e-mail, an article on how the mini-cows can actually be used to produce more beef per acre than a full-sized cow, and I am thinking that would be a great way to sell the smaller hair sheep to the bigger is better mentality. Sheep are a bit smaller boned, proportionately, and they reproduce a lot faster!!! Terry --- Susan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry, County Fairs and State Fairs from my understanding do the exotic/different breeds exhibits. I wish you luck with 4-H. Sue From: Terry Wereb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] for sale Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:56:29 -0800 (PST) Okay-- when I get my sheep-ses- I will see what I can do for sheep! I am also considering rare breed rabbits. Maybe I can go through the ALBC membership directory, and Borrow a few other breeds/species for display purposes only for my local fairs-- there are four on four consecutive weekends here-- and one of them is THE GREAT GEAUGA COUNTY FAIR!!! ( Last fair of the year in Ohio. Always well attended-- AND the one of the two local ones that the AMISH attend. And I already know that those communities are looking for something to help with their farm economics- a few are already raising goats for the ethnic markets, but have few resources to get them there! And I can help with that! Terry --- Susan Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that is a great idea Terry! Speaking from my own experience about puting up an exibit like that at a 4-H Fair, I ran into a bunch of well, we'll have to ask the fair board, or there is no monies for extra exibits, etc. There was so much of that I just quit trying. Not that you all should quit, but after 3 years of it I just decided to quit trying. I even tried to give preimuns to the children who won in all breed classes as an incentive to show other breeds of sheep, including Blackbellys and 4-H wouldn't let me. If you could get a lot of people together who have different breeds of anything animal wise then go for it. I still believe there is a place for Blackbellys at the fairs. Sue From: Terry Wereb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Re: [blackbelly] for sale Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 05:19:56 -0800 (PST) Would county or state fairs have objections to exhibits that were not competeing? I noticed at my county's fair last year that there were no meat goats-- just dairy breeds. All the sheep were woolies. One lady had a Scottish Highland cow and her calf there-- but I believe it was entered as a beef contender. There is one person who brings Irish Dexter's-- and has a stand-up display of them working under yoke. Getting a bunch of rare breeds together under one tent, so to speak, may be a great way to spread the word about other issues-- to more than just agricultural people! And if the animals have been handled so that they are docile (with and without horns)and socialized to the experience, then that is all the better for ambassadorship. Terry W --- Rick Krach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I learned from him that lambs at our fair had to meet the minimum requirement of 80 pounds! No wonder kids can never show Blackbellies! Rick Krach Auburn, California (530) 889-1488 ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list
Re: [blackbelly] Horn Genetics question
Basic genetics would say yes as the liklihood of getting all the genetics necessary to produce horns would be greater. Terry --- David Kellough [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a horned ewe and a horned ram produce a ewe lamb, is the odds much greater the ewe lamb will have horns? just wondering David Kellough ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Flooring for housing
Mark-- Another advantage of portable housing is this-- IT IS NOT REAL ESTATE! therefore-- it cannot be taxed as an improvement on the property. Many of the local Alpaca peole here use the design for their males or specific breeding groups. It permits the housing to also be in the pasture that is being grazed, rather than having top herd the animals from barn to pasture-- Terry --- The Wintermutes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Terry, I only bed my sheep down when it is very cold, wet or when they have newborns. I personally don't like ammonia build-up or moisture of any kind inside my barns. I wouldn't worry too much about heat loss to the ground unless the ground is wet. I feel a solid wind break is needed especially for babies. An idea for you, I have found my sheep absolutely love to jump up on an old tool bench counter to lie down. Maybe some simple benches would keep them dry. I like the idea of portable housing. It would be nice to be able to hook up a tractor and move the barn rather than clean it out! Mark Wintermute -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Wereb Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 11:21 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: [blackbelly] Flooring for housing I have a decision to make, and I need some serious input-- I will be using portable housing for my flock in order to best utilize intensive grazing methods. the plans can be made so that the housing is made with or without a wood floor. either way I go-- the housing will be set on raised beds of crushed stone in orer to keep moisture away from the frame and skids of the building. This will also prevent the floor from getting flooded when it does rain. If I go no wood floor, the skids will be an issue for MY footing- I may have difficulty stepping over the skids on some days- I am sure the sheep will have no problem with it. If I use a floor, I will need to seal it against moisture from the normal animal waste process. Either way-- there will be deep bedding to prevent pressure sores. By deep-- I like to see horses knee deep when straw is just put in, so I figure sheep can be proportionately as deep, with a layer of corn cob bedding underneath for absorption of liquid waste. Is there an advantage to having a wood floor that anyone has noticed? I am looking at considerations of heat loss ( body to ground) in the winter, opportunities for unfriendly critters to set up housekeeping, and, of course, cost. I can originally build with no floor and add later-- the wall frames on the plans go up before the floor is laid down. I am located in NE Ohio- in the snow belt, so to speak. I will be building a floored building for my rabbits for the winter, as they won't pasture well then, and their building will also hold feed and medical supplies for the whole farm. But do I need it for the sheep? Terry ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in fo ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
Re: [blackbelly] Rejected Ram Lamb
Elaine, It is great to know Pete is doing well. Now I have a question for everyone-- I have done Wildlife Rehab, with some success- and orphans are no biggie for me. But, has anyone tried getting another ewe to adopt the rejected lambs? I ask this because I should be getting my first sheep in a few months, and even though I understand the imprinting process, and know how to work around it, I would rather have sheep get raised by sheep, dogs by dogs, etc...There is no more frustrating thing than to have an animal imprint on a human or another species, and not get along with it's own. So, Elaine-- for most intents and purposes-- you have found a way to alleviate the improper imprinting of the lamb. Good job. Terry W ___ This message is from the blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info
