Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again On 1 Jun 2003 at 20:58, Robert Seeberger wrote: I think this typifies the murder problem in the south. Violence is normally commited by the ignorant and those with loose control of their emotions. So what training with guns would you consider sufficient? My argument would be that a military/police course which covers a LOT more than simple gun safety... I think its more a question of anger management and ethics than it is firearm safety. Actually, you guys are approaching this all wrong. The simple solution is not to allow anyone to own a gun unless they first allow themselves to be shot so they are familiar with its effects. Let's accelerate evolution! Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Molly Ivins
David Frum, National Review: http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary060103.asp Bill O'Reilly debated Al Franken and Molly Ivins in an event broadcast on C-Span on Sunday afternoon, and he made this great joke that cracked up the conservatives in the audience: These HMOs are getting so arrogant that men who want to beat their wives have to get the hospital bills pre-cleared. No, no, no - of course he didn't say that. O'Reilly can be a pretty outrageous guy, but he knows perfectly well that a joke about wife-beating is a career-ender. The joke actually was made by Molly Ivins, and it really went like this: The price of gas is riz so high - yes she said riz: if you're a Texan who wants to advocate gun control and lesbian marriage, you have to sprinkle your speech with hick phrases so that nobody gets the idea you're just another of them Yankee liberals - the price of gas is riz so high that women who want to run over their husbands have to carpool. And the liberals in the audience really did crack up, including both Franken and the ostensibly neutral moderator, whose name I did not catch. Now there are is a very obvious point to be made about this little humorous gem, and I'm sure it has already occurred to you. (Actually there are two: the other being that it's not very funny, but then none of Molly Ivins' work has been very funny since a court told her to quit repackaging Florence King's writing as her own.) Let me venture instead this possibly slightly less obvious point - Molly Ivins went on to deliver a passionate little speech about her commitment to civilizing American discourse! Apparently, American discourse is being rendered viciously uncivil by Rush Limbaugh's habit of explaining dynamic scoring over the airwaves - and the liberal way to elevate the vulgar tone of right-wing debate is to make jokes about killing people. = --- John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation. -George W. Bush 1/29/03 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
d.brin wrote: What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model for the coming century. That's just plain dopey. Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than ever before. Anyone still using a sex-shooter deserves everything they get. Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the policy you want to export by military force spin If you want to export W's authoritarian dictatorship to other countries, that really says a lot about you. A spin and an insult. Jan Leaveing Thread Maru = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
d.brin wrote: What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model for the coming century. That's just plain dopey. Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than ever before. Anyone still using a sex-shooter deserves everything they get. Personally, I don't plan on giving up my sex-shooter any time soon. And I do deserve what it's got me, thank you very much. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Use of cameras
On 2 Jun 2003 at 9:51, Chad Cooper wrote: Second, you can buy license plates covers that are specially formulated to be clear, but they are polorized, so that if a flash of light comes from above (or side of) the plate, like in the case of a photo radar flash, the cover reflects the light, causing a glare effect. This obscures the plate so it cannot be read from a photo. More info at http://www.autoplates.com/photoshield/laser-shield.htm. Here is a case of the government taking advantage of poor people. It costs 20-40 dollars to get the license plate protection. They're illegal over here. Using them can cost you your liscence for 3-4 months. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: A PNAC Primer [L3]
At 02:57 AM 6/2/03 -0500, The Fool wrote: -- Mt 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice. Act i, sc. 3, 1. 99. The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul, producing holy witness, Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart: O what a goodly outside falsehood hath! -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
At 10:29 AM 6/2/03 -0700, d.brin wrote: d.brin wrote: What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model for the coming century. That's just plain dopey. Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than ever before. Anyone still using a sex-shooter deserves everything they get. Personally, I don't plan on giving up my sex-shooter any time soon. And I do deserve what it's got me, thank you very much. Please pardon my wasting your time with such a response, but had you not beat me to it, I would have said something similar . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Homer mode Bran flakes... Mmmm. Fiber-licious! /Homer mode _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
At 07:19 AM 6/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. But it wasn't worth a thousand words. Obligatory second line. Kevin T. - VRWC No value added ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Use of cameras
At 06:01 PM 6/2/2003 +0100, you wrote: On 2 Jun 2003 at 9:51, Chad Cooper wrote: Second, you can buy license plates covers that are specially formulated to be clear, but they are polorized, so that if a flash of light comes from above (or side of) the plate, like in the case of a photo radar flash, the cover reflects the light, causing a glare effect. This obscures the plate so it cannot be read from a photo. More info at http://www.autoplates.com/photoshield/laser-shield.htm. Here is a case of the government taking advantage of poor people. It costs 20-40 dollars to get the license plate protection. They're illegal over here. Using them can cost you your liscence for 3-4 months. Andy Shouldn't you get one of your activist judges to turn over that law? That's what you have them for right, to enforce the will of the people? Kevin T. - VRWC Just home from work, I am joking ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: H.I.P.A.A.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To say that these new rules and regulation are to
protect your medical
privacy is bureaucratic double-speak at its worst.
Let me way in from the provider side of this debate.
HIPA is going to make the practice of medicine much
more difficult and more expensive. All of those
forms patients are being required to sign are forced
on all of us by the government. We have no choice.
for the past two years medical organizations have
been struggling to figure out how to comply with
this legislation. You cannot imagine the amount of
time energy and money spent on this stuff...
rant mode
Augh! We don't deal in quatloos, we deal with
*people*! We don't provide widgets or doomaflatchies,
we _take_care_of_people! Not only have we
*clinicians* been forced to deal with burgeoning
regulations, but our titles have been erased! Not MD,
not DO, not RN, nor LPN, nor RH-NP, or PA, or PT, or
OT...we've been reduced to providers of (limited)
medical services. Hm, your radiator appears to be
leaking sporadically, and your oil pressure's too
high; take these additives - I mean pills - and come
back if things get worse. :{
end rant
Think happy thoughts...think of fluffy clouds...think
of cuddly kittens...*anything* to get this artery
throbbing on my temple to quit... :P
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Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
In a message dated 6/2/2003 11:47:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Homer mode Bran flakes... Mmmm. Fiber-licious! /Homer mode Marge: Homer, you're supposed to take them out of the box. Homer: What? It's just more fiber. William Taylor ...and careful of Ronn. He's packin' ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) 3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and generating HUGE amounts of cash based on the FHWA's comments above... 4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until proven innocent method of infringement ticketing? Russell C. They had it for a while in PA, just on one stretch of the turnpike. Everyone knew the camera was there. I don't know if they still have them. In PA the license are on the back of the car only. (Thank bog). I think they took front and back pictures of the vehicles. Most comments I heard were, what if there are multiple cars, how can you tell who is speeding, cars changing lanes...a few things like that. This is the other side of Chad Cooper's arguments. I got my license plate picture taken, for being in the wrong lane exiting the turnpike, using the EZ-pass lane without EZ-pass. It was an Oh sh*t' moment when I realized it. I just didn't notice the signs, stupid mistake. I couldn't back up because an 18 wheeler was behind me. Going around wouldn't have made a difference. Now what sucks is, I tried five ways to Sunday to pay my fine ahead of time, to try and reduce the costs. They just wouldn't accept it. When I got the fine, it was just the back of the truck showing the license plate. Now here is the important part: basically it was up to me to show that my truck was stolen or I had loaned it to someone, to get them to pay me for the fine. I had to pay the fine no matter what, it was my vehicle (unless it was stolen). Now since no driving points are involved, maybe that is no big deal. But if speeding and the fine was 100+, I'd fight the legality of it. To make it worse, I paid the finethen got a letter saying I didn't and $5 was added. I had paid it right away. When I got the canceled check back, it was dated received one day after the fine was due, and my second letter was printed that same day. I sent a second check in right away, for the new full amount, and that has not been cashed yet, the due date was May 30th. Kevin T. - VRWC Time for a bike ride, no fines on those. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
OFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: snip I thought I plonked You. snip Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually OK, newbie question (in all your spare time! ;} ): is plonking the same as killfilling, or is it something else? TIA! :) Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Eh, most everything on the breakfast cereal market like that has BHT in it, which my intestines don't do well with anyway. Cheerios (and only the original and the Honey Nut varieties) are the big mainstream exceptions I'm interested in; otherwise, I buy my cold cereal at a premium either at Whole Foods (and their store brand is more affordable than the other brands they carry) or the special section at HEB (and I've been burned on an expiration date doing it *that* way lately, so I'm more inclined to buy at Whole Foods). I'd have to be pretty desperate to buy breakfast cereal at a convenience store. They usually have Nutri-Grain bars, even if it's at a ridiculous price, and those, plus some orange juice (calcium-fortified, even, if they have Tropicana, I have problems with calcium-fortified Minute Maid), will do me fine if I'm desperate enough to be buying breakfast food there. Julia GSV Dose Of Irrelevant Reality ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
At 04:23 PM 6/2/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/2/2003 11:47:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Homer mode Bran flakes... Mmmm. Fiber-licious! /Homer mode Marge: Homer, you're supposed to take them out of the box. Homer: What? It's just more fiber. William Taylor ...and careful of Ronn. He's packin' What A full load of roughage? --Ronn! :) Bathroom humor is an American-Standard. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: OFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3]
At 01:33 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: snip I thought I plonked You. snip Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually OK, newbie question (in all your spare time! ;} ): is plonking the same as killfilling, or is it something else? TIA! :) Yes. However, OFFLIST is NOT the same thing as on-list . . . Oh feces Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
d.brin wrote: d.brin wrote: What's stupid is the notion that cowboy six shooters are a good model for the coming century. That's just plain dopey. Can't argue with this last paragraph. We have come a long way since then. We have so much more advanced firepower available nowadays at a lower cost than ever before. Anyone still using a sex-shooter deserves everything they get. Personally, I don't plan on giving up my sex-shooter any time soon. And I do deserve what it's got me, thank you very much. Yeah, well, I'm not sure I quite deserve what *I've* gotten from a certain one lately. Twins? AAAIIGGH! ;) Julia who is still coming to terms with the whole thing, but at least has an awful lot of supportive friends family offering to help ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:00:18PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: who is still coming to terms with the whole thing, pun intended? -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Kevin Tarr wrote: Of course it does. It also includes me. I've hunted with a handgun. I've carried one while fishing and hiking in case of snakes or rabid animals. A friend killed two dogs that attacked him while fishing. They weren't rabid but were feral. Having a small gun with you when hunting for snakes, etc. is a very good idea. I mean, who's going to be hunting with a *hoe* (the usual tool for killing a snake if it's in your yard or in the street in front of your house)? Not that I've been hunting, but I've spent enough time around people who do, some of whom have had to use small arms on a rattler, to understand the logic. There's responsible gun culture and irresponsible gun culture. The former is more likely found in rural areas, the latter more likely found in urban areas. There are still gun deaths in rural areas, but they're not as likely as ones in urban areas, and usually not as many are just random. (The notable exception I'm aware of lately was the drunk guy who killed his buddy to keep him from driving drunk I think that was Bastrop County.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Andrew Crystall wrote: A gun is the wrong weapon in any case then. If you shoot someone with a handgun, you are VERY unlikely to take them down before then can fire back if THEY have a gun pointed at you. The RIGHT weapon to have handy, and I do, is a blade. You'll cause much greater immediate trauma and thus are far LESS likely to be shot when they have a blade rather than a bullet through their gun arm. If I'm going to keep a weapon within reach of my bed, it's going to be a blade. I think I could use some good training in the use of blades, though. (I'd have to be pretty desperate to actually *use* it, and the dogs would likely be dead at that point.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 07:19 AM 6/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. But it wasn't worth a thousand words. Obligatory second line. 1) You could count the words on the page. That might help. 2) I don't consider that to be a *picture* so much as a *diagram*. There's a difference. (And a cartoon, political or otherwise, is another thing altogether) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Br!n 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 04:00:18PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: who is still coming to terms with the whole thing, pun intended? No, but nice it worked out that way. :) Thanks for pointing it out, I totally missed it. Julia Missed that, along with half my brain, or so it seems ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: OFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America[L3 ]
plonk excl.,vt. [Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit. equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written *plonk*) is now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule. Nerd From Hell -Original Message- From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 1:33 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: OFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3] --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: snip I thought I plonked You. snip Julia who hates hearing about plonking on-list, actually OK, newbie question (in all your spare time! ;} ): is plonking the same as killfilling, or is it something else? TIA! :) Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Use of cameras
When I got the fine, it was just the back of the truck showing the license plate. Now here is the important part: basically it was up to me to show that my truck was stolen or I had loaned it to someone, to get them to pay me for the fine. I had to pay the fine no matter what, it was my vehicle (unless it was stolen). Now since no driving points are involved, maybe that is no big deal. But if speeding and the fine was 100+, I'd fight the legality of it. Since it is decriminalized, your are guilty until proven innocent. There is no fighting City Hall! Nerd From Hell To make it worse, I paid the finethen got a letter saying I didn't and $5 was added. I had paid it right away. When I got the canceled check back, it was dated received one day after the fine was due, and my second letter was printed that same day. I sent a second check in right away, for the new full amount, and that has not been cashed yet, the due date was May 30th. Kevin T. - VRWC Time for a bike ride, no fines on those. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Personally, I don't plan on giving up my sex-shooter any time soon. And I do deserve what it's got me, thank you very much. Yeah, well, I'm not sure I quite deserve what *I've* gotten from a certain one lately. Twins? AAAIIGGH! Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how proud I am of you. What a champ. What a marvel. Raise a pair of (nicer) kwizats hadderachi (?) david b ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Tarr wrote: At 07:19 AM 6/2/2003 -0500, you wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. But it wasn't worth a thousand words. Obligatory second line. 1) You could count the words on the page. That might help. 499 words at first count. I don't plan on re-counting. May have counted some words twice. Initials were counted as individual words. Nope, not worth a thousand words. Don't pay that much. My thought on the whole companies owning too many stations thing is: Who cares? First off it will expand diversity, not limit it, because stations owned by the same company are going to target different demographics so that the stations are not competing with one another. What would be the point? Take USA and Sci-fi channel, both owned by the same parent company. There is a small degree of overlap, but only where the genres overlap. USA is primaily suspense and action stuff while Sci-fi is... well Sci-Fi. As long as there are enough channels for local interest, public access, etc. (and come on now, with digital cable and satelite service going up everywhere in the USA, we are in no danger of running out of channels), then what does it matter if one company ownes a bucket-full of stations in a varitable sea of stations. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much... the wheel, New York, wars, and so on, whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely the dolphins believed themselves to be more intelligent than man for precisely the same reasons. - Douglas Adams ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
There's responsible gun culture and irresponsible gun culture. The former is more likely found in rural areas, the latter more likely found in urban areas. There are still gun deaths in rural areas, but they're not as likely as ones in urban areas, and usually not as many are just random. (The notable exception I'm aware of lately was the drunk guy who killed his buddy to keep him from driving drunk I think that was Bastrop County.) Reminds me of a little story. (stop me if you've heard this one...) Two guys are hunting deer deep in the forest. One of the guys accidentally shoots the other and the shot man falls to the ground. The other guy calls 911 on his phone. The operator answers and the guy says Help, my buddy just got shot, and I think he's dead!. The Operator replied,Calm down sir,.. first let's make sure he is actually dead. After a brief pause, the operator hears another gunshot, then the other guy came back to the phone and says OK... what next! Nerd from Hell Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
On Mon, Jun 02, 2003 at 03:58:15PM -0600, Michael Harney wrote: My thought on the whole companies owning too many stations thing is: Who cares? First off it will expand diversity, not limit it, because stations owned by the same company are going to target different demographics so that the stations are not competing with one another. What would be the point? Most newspapers and news shows cover the same subject matter, so your comment doesn't apply to the important stuff, just to entertainment. One would hope that the news, despite covering the same subject, would cover all sides of the issues. Much less chance of that if they are all owned by the same company, IMO. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Eh, most everything on the breakfast cereal market like that has BHT in it, which my intestines don't do well with anyway. As we were talking about Nerds and Geeks a while back, those with Aus should not eat most breakfast cereals. For some reason the wheat (and other grains) act like an opiate to the brains of such people. If that is you, it's best to stick to Corn. = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
--- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped a lot But I am also a father, and I do NOT want schoolteachers armed to the teeth. I want only rifles in peoples, home, stored high with the bolts removed and locked elsewhere. We'll have our second amendment guns... and home defense or sport or hunting. All other types - including Assault rifles and handguns, are simply substitute penises for really sad obsessive fellows. grimace I must disagree with you here; I have been in the situation of waking to find an intruder standing in my bedroom doorway. Fortunately for me, I had practiced what to do in such a case, and lunging at him while snarling brandishing a wicked-looking letter-opener sent him running. Fortunately for him, I didn't own a gun yet; but did he later attack some unprepared or unable woman, and rape when I might have stopped him then? If my car had 'died' when I was being rammed from behind and paced on either side, nothing short of having a loaded handgun (can't operate a rifle effectively inside a sedan) would have saved me from whatever those men were planning. (repeat thanks for that T-bird's toughness, and those who designed/built the V-8 that allowed me to outrace those pricks) The first incident took place just off-campus, the second on interstate highway just outside of Dallas, TX. I took safety and firing instruction from an Army officer before owning a gun, and practice ~ yearly under competent supervision. If someone again attempts to harm me (or anybody near me), I will not be defenseless. I do think assault/automatic weapons have no place in the civilian sphere, and I have no problems with waiting periods, background checks, or requirements to take safety/firing courses before being allowed to purchase a gun. I wouldn't even have a problem with a psych evaluation before purchase - although that still wouldn't eliminate those able to *act* sane, or the black market, but it would probably cut down on some of the crazies/emotionally immature. Deborah Harrell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
-Original Message- From: d.brin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 02:26 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how proud I am of you. What a champ. What a marvel. Raise a pair of (nicer) kwizats hadderachi (?) Kumquat Haagendaz? -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin, twin, and thoughts again.
In a message dated 6/2/2003 2:27:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Twins? AAAIIGGH! Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how proud I am of you. What a champ. What a marvel. I did, when I was doing the hoon birthing speculation. [Everything is only a guess until our good Dr Brin says that it's cannon.] Raise a pair of (nicer) kwizats hadderachi (?) david b Kwisatz Hadderach Kwizats hadderachi are kwisatz hadderach rug rats selling hibachi door to door. A fate I would not wish upon Julia, the twins. or the person who unwarinly answers the door. William Taylor Thankful that our good Dr has not gone the endless sequel route, as I'm still expecting to see Brig-a-dune and Dune Bradstreet. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: army tortures iraqi prisoners, photos show
From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003242223,00.html A BRITISH soldier has been arrested over sickening torture photos of an Iraqi prisoner. snip It's been a few days and I haven't heard anything of this in any other media source. You'd think someone else might have picked this up if it was real. The info about Lt. Col Tim Collins is reported elsewhere but nothing about photos. - jmh Urban Legend In the Making Maru ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I took safety and firing instruction from an Army officer before owning a gun, and practice ~ yearly under competent supervision. If someone again attempts to harm me (or anybody near me), I will not be defenseless. I wasn't going to go into my experiences but... First time I was young (to young to operate a firearm) they came through my bedroom window, I ran to the closet as I was being fired on, the door jamb saved me from buckshot. My father took care of them with his six shooter. Second time the guy came in through the front door. I didn't yet own a weapon but I did something stupid, I faked I had a gun. I was then able to keep him out until the cops got there. He had gone home and brought back guns and knives. Good thing the cops showed up 30 minutes later. He was about to make it back in through a window we were neglecting. What type of building were you in? 2 story home/ second story apartment What type of defenses (locks, alarms, locks alarms / locks only How did the intruder get in? broke window / pick front door. How and when did you become aware of the intruder? When intruders were outside of window but I was a kid and froze until they cam inside/ When intruder entered 2 room apartment. What did the intruder want? Kill family / Rape mate??? who knows? Now I own a weapon and I practice with it twice a week most weeks. I have no kids or I would need to do something different than what I do. To make things simple, I can NOT simply grab the gun and fire, I must first take 2 actions which allow the firearm to actually fire. My gun has no safety. These 2 actions take concentration but can be done in a very short amount of time. I don't care what you think of me, but I am not going to tell anyone what these 2 actions are. As far as stopping power, if the gun is of a high enough caliber the perp will go down as if they had been hit by a train. Especially if the bullets are hallow nose. 9mm slice through like butter and leave the perp functional. You always fire a second kill shot. That's the way they train you anyway. I don't have the answers to all the problems firearms present, but I do know that I can sleep at night knowing it is there. Sleep is very important activity. Jan = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
--- Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: d.brin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 02:26 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again Yeah! Did anyone pass on my/our best wishes? I want to say how proud I am of you. What a champ. What a marvel. Raise a pair of (nicer) kwizats hadderachi (?) Kumquat Haagendaz? Supprisingly it is a Dune refference from Brin...that's about as odd as an uplift refernce from Lucas. I will face my fear I will let it pass through me. Congrats Julia! = _ Jan William Coffey _ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: army tortures iraqi prisoners, photos show
It's been a few days and I haven't heard anything of this in any other media source. You'd think someone else might have picked this up if it was real. The info about Lt. Col Tim Collins is reported elsewhere but nothing about photos. I think it has been previously established that The Sun is a sensationalist newspaper, and as a source, cannot be trusted. I don't know why The Fool keeps posting these articles (IIRC he posted one a while ago about an A-10 strafing brits) unless in his biased quest he ignores sources (just as important as the articles, IMHO). Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. Now Building: Tamiya's M151A2 MUTT w/TOW ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
The Fool (2 Jun 2003 07:19:28 -0500) wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. ...and to think I still only have rabbit ears :-) Cheers! -- Han Tacoma - Feeling like a caveman! ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: media consolidation
-Original Message- From: Han Tacoma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:45 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: media consolidation The Fool (2 Jun 2003 07:19:28 -0500) wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. ...and to think I still only have rabbit ears :-) You do? (JK) It only means you have fewer channels where there is nothing worth watching. NFH Cheers! -- Han Tacoma - Feeling like a caveman! ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
Chad Cooper wrote: I think that accuity is difficult to achieve at such high speeds. It might be a interesting math prolem to determine how fast the shutter must be to get a clear picture of a speeder at 70 MPH. Wow - ours were bought from Germany and routinely clock cars at speeds in excess of 100mph, even in traffic. They use a combination of radar and laser, but a conventional film camera. New units coming on line this year use digital cameras. All of them can pick which is the speeding car in 3 or 4 lanes of oncoming traffic. I know of two facts required for a ticket to be processed. 1. Direct and clear of the driver's face, as well as a direct and clear image of the license. Here the registered owner of the car cops the fine and demerit points against his licence, unless he provides a signed confession from someone else... Companies with fleet vehicles cop a much higher fine, but no demerit points if they can't produce the driver who should be wearing the fine and points. You can only imagine what the picture looked like, with a gorilla face, waving at the camera. There are photos circulating around Oz showing a motorbike being ridden at extremely high speeds (the speed camera photo shows the speed in an inset box) with his leg jackknifed around the back and his boot covering the licence plate. http://www.autoplates.com/photoshield/laser-shield.htm. Those are SO illegal here - big trouble if you're caught with them (or with radar detectors, and they have radar detector detectors). There is also a spray-on sold in bottles that goes on a conventional licence plate cover, but it's not waterproof and fades away. Also illegal, but harder to detect. The problem in Australia is that they have now set the tolerance on these cameras down to 3kmh over the limit in some states, so if youre endangering all around you by travelling on a multi-lane freeway at 83kmh in an 80k zone, you get busted. Our cars are only required to have a speedo with a 5% accuracy, so you may not even be aware that you are speeding until you get the notice in the mail... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Wow. Notice how a statistically weird number of brinellers have had violent encounters? Take a poll, it's anomalous. My theory. Time travellers trying to eliminate a mighty humanity from the future. But you're all too tough. db PS... of course we don't know about the wonderful brinellers they already eliminated. Like Janelle Dorfman. Good old Janelle, the very heart of Brin-L. But then, you don't remember her... in fact, what am I blathering about? Who's this Janelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
PS... of course we don't know about the wonderful brinellers they already eliminated. Like Janelle Dorfman. Good old Janelle, the very heart of Brin-L. But then, you don't remember her... in fact, what am I blathering about? Who's this Janelle You're thinking of the New and Improved Brin-l(TM) list! (Or is it this one, only in another timeline?) ;-) NFH ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: army tortures iraqi prisoners, photos show
From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003242223,00.html A BRITISH soldier has been arrested over sickening torture photos of an Iraqi prisoner. snip It's been a few days and I haven't heard anything of this in any other media source. You'd think someone else might have picked this up if it was real. The info about Lt. Col Tim Collins is reported elsewhere but nothing about photos. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/1,,2003250508,00.html http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538,968072,00.html http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=58921list=/home php http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Art icle_Type1c=Articlecid=1052251699107call_pageid=1045739058633col=10457 39057805 http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/06/01/ntort 01.xmlsSheet=/news/2003/06/01/ixnewstop.html http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/31/nirq3 1.xmlsSheet=/news/2003/05/31/ixnewstop.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/05/30/britain.pow/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,88150,00.html http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?object id=13017623method=fullsiteid=50002headline='Sickened'%20by%20PoW%20Phot os http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=13016954method=ful lsiteid=50143headline=Soldier%20quizzed%20on%20PoW%20torture http://www.expressandstar.com/artman/publish/article_33326.shtml http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030530181736287 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to another, but it applies to me also I'd hate to be the firefighter who comes into your house to rescue you, after you've been breathing enough smoke to have trouble making sense of things. Sounds like he or she would stand a good chance of taking a round or two. You'd be astounded at the crazy things people do, mostly involving hiding from the scary firefighters, when they're woken up abruptly in the middle of the night, partially poisoned by smoke. Sesame Street found that preschoolers hide from firefighters; other studies found that adults often do, too. Even without smoke, strange lights and noises, plenty of us wake up less than alert, especially in the dead of night. Lock your doors. Get an alarm. Have a webcam that sends photos of intruders off-site continuously, so they'll know they'll be recognized eventually (yeah, doesn't work so well for banks and 7-11s, but it helps). I think it's a bad idea to suggest that most people can wake up in a very, very frightening situation and immediately be aware enough of what's going on to handle a firearm. snip another grimace I'm not a preschooler. In the intruder situation I described earlier, even though I instinctively and immediately 'knew' the figure standing in my doorway wasn't my roommate, I said, Lisa...is that you? It moved -- approx. 3-4 seconds had passed since I woke up -- and I went into survival/attack mode. I was *quite* sure that he wasn't a firefighter, and I think 4 seconds is plenty of verbal response time for a rescuer to call out (think of how long it takes you to identify a telemarketer). When my cat woke me at ~ 1am in the middle of a Texas thunderstorm, by growling and then running to the apt. front door, I didn't grab my gun and shoot him because I was confused on being painfully awakened (claws in the chest as he jumped off); I said ~ 'what on earth is wrong with you, it's just thunder!' (OK, and probably some [EMAIL PROTECTED] too) -- but realized within 4-5 seconds that he was crouched and growling at the door. Peering through the eyehole, I saw a man (not her boyfriend) was trying to jimmy my neighbor's lock; I'm going to guess that ~ 15 sec had passed from my abrupt awakening. I didn't grab my gun and confront him, or shoot him through the door; I called the on-site super and told him to set loose his Rottweiler, then called 911. Had the fellow actually succeeded in picking my neighbor's lock, I'd've felt obliged to go after him, knowing that my neighbor didn't have a gun, and that Hans (135 pounds of unneutered aggressive dog) would be upstairs momentarily (let even an armed intruder try to handle a huge Rottie and an armed defender at once! And I had no fear of Hans going for the wrong person - he adored me). When I lived in Dallas, it was not unusual to be wakened by gunfire (it was a poor neighborhood); I never woke clutching for my [loaded-and-on-the-nightstand] gun, but after listening for a few seconds, determined whether it was happy weekend night shooting in the air or drug deal gone bad gunfire. The former didn't even merit getting out of bed, but the latter meant I dropped to the floor, called the cats away from the windows, and called 911. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake confused too?' My cats have the sense to know that nap-disturbing footsteps outside our door in the afternoon are only worthy of an earflick and perhaps one eye slitting open, whereas footsteps on the sidewalk at 3am will send both into alert mode (waking me). I think I have at least as much sense as my cats. In the time that it takes the police to get to my house to defend me, I could be killed. It will be small consolation to my friends and family that the murderers are caught. If they are. And while Denver isn't as dangerous as other cities, at least 2 women have been killed within 1-2 miles of where I live, in the past 3 years, and a married couple in their home. Approx. once/week someone is killed, attacked, raped or kidnapped in the greater Denver metropolitan area. Debbi who strives to be aware of her surroundings at all times, and is very glad for her 'watchcats' who guard her sleep (but must admit that if she lived in the country, she'd get a dog too, for the deterrance factor) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fwd: OFFLIST mistake!
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip-snip OK, newbie question (in all your spare time! ;} ): is plonking the same as killfilling, or is it something else? TIA! :) sigh This was supposed to go to Julia, but I read the answer later...sorry for the Offlist post, folks! :P At Least It Wasn't A Scathing And Ranting Offlist Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Violent encounters poll.
In a message dated 6/2/2003 4:09:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow. Notice how a statistically weird number of brinellers have had violent encounters? Take a poll, it's anomalous. Zero instances so far here. But... There was a grocery store that was so mismanaged that I said I'd never go back to it. Next week it was robbed at gunpoint. There was a bank branch I didn't like going to as once inside, you couldn't see outside. A few months later it was involved in one of the biggest bank robberies the state has ever had. [Thieves had painted a van to look like the phone company, and were there before the manager arrived.] I've also gotten off of the freeway a half hour before the sandstorm took out 20 cars. My theory. Time travellers trying to eliminate a mighty humanity from the future. But you're all too tough. Well, the one time our good Dr. read an unfinished time travel story, I, of course, had to email him an ending. Shaggy Dog solution though it was. Janelle Dorfman Dor-hinuf? I always accuse our good Dr. Brin of a more conspiratorial nature than that which he actually admits to. ...or does he? Any jovial uncles named Tim? (Tymbrimi = I Tim Brin, more or less.) William Taylor Are you now, or have you ever Brin ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
--- Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool (2 Jun 2003 07:19:28 -0500) wrote: http://www.sarahstirland.com/archives/mediacon.htm It's a picture. ...and to think I still only have rabbit ears :-) Han Tacoma - Feeling like a caveman! Hey, rabbit ears rock! :) I watch about as much TV as I can stand; and since the SciFi channel sounds like it's going down the tubes, and I get 2 PBS stations for news/history/science/art/nature, I don't think I'm missing much of anything by avoiding cable. Although I've Heard Rumors Of An All-Horse Channel Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Violent encounters poll.
Nothing 'violent' for me, but certainly fun experiences: the winter childhood accident that tried to take my liver and gall bladder, four vehicle accidents (not the driver in three), forest fires (by choice), tornadoes, auto-rotate helicopter landing, planes stuck by lightning, hurricanes, helicopter flying through three tornadoes (well, not through them but they were right there), fireworks explosion, ship fire, factory fire, falling off a cliff while skiing into a safety net Kevin T. - VRWC I think I'll go lie down. In the basement. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
On 3 Jun 2003 at 8:47, Russell Chapman wrote: Wow - ours were bought from Germany and routinely clock cars at speeds in excess of 100mph, even in traffic. They use a combination of radar and laser, but a conventional film camera. New units coming on line this year use digital cameras. All of them can pick which is the speeding car in 3 or 4 lanes of oncoming traffic. Ditto here. Actually, the new ones are nastier. They don't work at a single spot - that just causes stop/go behavoir. What they do is record ALL the number plates into memory as they pass Camera 1. When the same plate passes Camera 2 - several km up the road - it checks to see how much time has passed. If too little time, then the two images are sent for a human to check. If they're the same car...speeding offence. http://www.autoplates.com/photoshield/laser-shield.htm. Those are SO illegal here - big trouble if you're caught with them (or with radar detectors, and they have radar detector detectors). There is also a spray-on sold in bottles that goes on a conventional licence plate cover, but it's not waterproof and fades away. Also illegal, but harder to detect. The radar detector thing can be beaten if you're careful. In the UK, OWNING one isn't illegal. Using it to avoid radar guns IS. And there's a few tricks..anyway... Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
On 2 Jun 2003 at 16:22, Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake confused too?' My cats have the sense to know that Quite a few. Someone kicked out front door in earlier this year. Huge bang, I'd slapped my room light on and was out my room, knife in hand, before I was even fully awake (2-3 seconds). But since it takes me a good 10 seconds even at full blast to get to the front door (my room is above the front door) all I saw was someone sprinting off. He musta run when I slapped my light on. Apparently they kick the door in and run into the living room, grab whatever TV/VCR/console is handy and then sprint off. I should add that my blade's balanced for throwing, so it was just as well for them that they ran. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
On 2 Jun 2003 at 16:08, d.brin wrote: Wow. Notice how a statistically weird number of brinellers have had violent encounters? Yep. Several. Yeah well. Talent for knowing the wrong people, annoying scientologists and combat 18 (Neo-Nazis) plus a few bar brawls and two idiots who tryed to mug me. Take a poll, it's anomalous. My theory. Time travellers trying to eliminate a mighty humanity from the future. But you're all too tough. heh :) I just don't like tempting fate.. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Guns and knives [was re: Br!n prediction accuracy]
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Unfortunately the equalizer also raises the stakes. Idiots with guns are much worse than idiots with knives. But they aren't really any worse than an idiot --who is physically larger and more powerful-- with knives. snip Um, is that last sentence written as you meant? Guns in the hands of a competent-but-'crazy' shooter have far greater potential to take lives than a single knife in the hands of a competent knife fighter, just because of the 'at-a-distance' factor (once a knife is thrown, it has to be retrieved to be wielded again). And an automatic weapon in the hands of even an inaccurate shooter can kill/maim a large number of people, depending on the number of rounds and the shooter's degree of protection from anyone's (bystander or professional) opportunity to take him out. In the open, my chances of evading a competent, determined distant shooter are poor; my ability to deal with a closing knife-fighter is better because I handle half-a-ton of sharp reflexes multiple days a week. But I know nothing about the accuracy/distance of a good knife-thrower - anybody? This Reminds Me Of The Saturday Night GunKnife Club Fallout At The ER Maru :P (mostly the surgeons handled that stuff - we only got called in when drugs/diabetes/other weirdness complicated their patch-'em-ups) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n, blades, and home defense.
In a message dated 6/2/2003 5:52:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I should add that my blade's balanced for throwing, so it was just as well for them that they ran. Andy Dawn Falcon Now if the blade travels through the plane of the doorway, what's the rule? Do you have to drag the body backwards a few feet, or just drip some blood on your carpet? William Taylor - He turned, reaching for a weapon, as I threw, officer. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Br!n: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
On 2 Jun 2003 at 18:25, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake confused too?' Quite a few. Someone kicked out front door in earlier this year. Huge bang, I'd slapped my room light on and was out my room, knife in hand, before I was even fully awake (2-3 seconds). But since it takes me a good 10 seconds even at full blast to get to the front door (my room is above the front door) all I saw was someone sprinting off. He musta run when I slapped my light on. snip tips head aside So you wake 'ready to fight,' but are you confused? If you smelled smoke and saw flames, would you recognize that there was a fire, in the next 1-2 seconds? I was working on pure reflex. ACT. When shit happens enough times you pick that one up. Not something I'm especially proud of... And since you throw, maybe you can answer my question about knife-throwing accuracy (compared to gunfire - let's say competent shooter)? At the ranges involved inside a house, something has to go pretty badly wrong for me to miss. And the same goes for a gun. Okay, maybe there's not the same threat potential to threaten the guy with, but I'm not going to worry about potentials when there's an armed stranger in the house. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Freedom 'shrooms?
So I'm putting away groceries. Cans of mushrooms were on sale so I bought extra. Out of nowhere I see 'Product of France'. Hunh? I live in PA, which is a mushroom powerhouse. I've been to mushroom farms. It's like bringing coals to Newcastle. I had an older can which said product of Holland. Must be a free trade thing. We need subsidies! Protection from foreign markets! Not that I'm not going to use them. Just saying is all. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n, blades, and home defense.
At 02:51 AM 6/3/2003 +0100, you wrote: On 2 Jun 2003 at 21:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/2/2003 5:52:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I should add that my blade's balanced for throwing, so it was just as well for them that they ran. Andy Dawn Falcon Now if the blade travels through the plane of the doorway, what's the rule? Do you have to drag the body backwards a few feet, or just drip some blood on your carpet? That's another advantage. You're a lot more likely to incapacitate without killing using one... (well, assuming the ambulance turns up before they bleet to death I guess) Andy Dawn Falcon Are you killing sheep now? (See, you said bleet instead of...nevermind). Seriously: We've all heard about the inside the house/outside the house no fault rules here in the states, but is it different with knives over there? Could the perp be outside, running away, if you notch him in the back will you not be charged? Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br!n: Violent encounters poll.
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing 'violent' for me, but certainly fun experiences: the winter childhood accident that tried to take my liver and gall bladder, four vehicle accidents (not the driver in three), forest fires (by choice), tornadoes, auto-rotate helicopter landing, planes stuck by lightning, hurricanes, helicopter flying through three tornadoes (well, not through them but they were right there), fireworks explosion, ship fire, factory fire, falling off a cliff while skiing into a safety net Yikes! Used up your nine lives and then some... `:} Not counting military combat or law-enforcement -related incidences: family member: at an armed bank robbery (Baton Rouge, LA) family aquaintance: carjacked at gunpoint (downtown Columbus, OH, IIRC; daylight hours) college friend and another aquaintance: raped (Baton Rouge, LA; date-rape drug prob. in 1 case) classmate: knifed (Shreveport, LA) [circumstances unk.] aquaintance: raped (Denver, CO) (alcohol involved) friend: knife brandished at her while jogging during daylight hours (Denver, CO; he was just a punk middle-schooler, but still...) friend's niece: raped in her home (Denver, CO) friends (1 man, 1 woman): victims of domestic violence (beatings etc.) [locations withheld] colleague: threatened multiple times with multiple weapons (worked ER in downtown Detroit, MI) friend: shot in neck, missing spine by 1 inch (New Orleans, LA; alcohol involved) friend: threatened with knife (Portland, OR) [night] That's with just a little thought; I'm not counting instances where people only felt scared or potentially threatened (New York subway, couple of National Parks*, and - just to be fair - Milan, Italy), or were pick-pocketed (New York, Barcelona) or had cars/houses broken into (Dallas, Denver, Baton Rouge, San Diego, couple of National Parks*). Of my rather unscientific sample, 4 definitely (but could be 6, incl. the unk. and night ones) of 13 violent encounters involved drugs or alcohol. Debbi *Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Rocky Mountain NP __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
Michael Harney wrote: My thought on the whole companies owning too many stations thing is: Who cares? First off it will expand diversity, not limit it, because stations owned by the same company are going to target different demographics so that the stations are not competing with one another. What would be the point? Take USA and Sci-fi channel, both owned by the same parent company. There is a small degree of overlap, but only where the genres overlap. USA is primaily suspense and action stuff while Sci-fi is... well Sci-Fi. As long as there are enough channels for local interest, public access, etc. (and come on now, with digital cable and satelite service going up everywhere in the USA, we are in no danger of running out of channels), then what does it matter if one company ownes a bucket-full of stations in a varitable sea of stations. Unless you get the same bunch of people clueless about the different demographics making all the programming decisions Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
Jan Coffey wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Eh, most everything on the breakfast cereal market like that has BHT in it, which my intestines don't do well with anyway. As we were talking about Nerds and Geeks a while back, those with Aus should not eat most breakfast cereals. For some reason the wheat (and other grains) act like an opiate to the brains of such people. If that is you, it's best to stick to Corn. No, I just have weird problems with certain things when they hit my intestines. BHT (which is a preservative). Active yogurt cultures (although I haven't tested that one lately, maybe I've outgrown it). Pig fat (and given the last experience, I do NOT want to test it again any time in the next 20 years). Wheat isn't a problem for me. Julia p.s. maybe I should mention the grain thing to the guy I gave a lift to last weekend -- he's got ADD, no H, and before he was on the right meds, he was going through life in a state he compared to being on opiates. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm not trying to toot my own horn, here, but I don't like being shortchanged in the 'sense' category. What is the actual percentage of 'adults who often wake confused too?' My cats have the sense to know that nap-disturbing footsteps outside our door in the afternoon are only worthy of an earflick and perhaps one eye slitting open, whereas footsteps on the sidewalk at 3am will send both into alert mode (waking me). I think I have at least as much sense as my cats. Depending on the stimulus, I can come awake and be ready to act appropriately within a couple of seconds. (Sound of a dog about to throw up is a great example.) I learned the hard way when I was 12 that you can't just sit up when you wake up, without being somewhat aware of your surroundings. (Nothing like falling asleep *under* a seat on a bus) I don't ever just sit up as I'm groping for consciousness. All bets are off, though, with a baby under 3 months next to me. (I have absolutely no memory of picking up Sammy during the night one night and starting him nursing. I woke up when he needed to be burped and then put on the other breast.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
more on the so-called 'James ossuary'
http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-03/bonebox.html The James Ossuary: Did this limestone box--the focus of heated controversy--once hold the bones of Jesus' brother? (Photographs by Joe Nickell) Supposedly recently discovered, the James ossuary--a limestone mortuary box that purportedly held the remains of Jesus' brother--is the subject of controversy. It has captured the attention of theologians, secular scholars, laity, and journalists around the world. Some have rushed to suggest that the inscription on it is the earliest-known reference to Jesus outside the bible, providing archaeological evidence of his historical existence. World Exclusive! proclaimed Biblical Archaeology Review. Evidence of Jesus Written in Stone, the cover continued; Ossuary of `James, Brother of Jesus' found in Jerusalem. Urged the contents page: Read how this important object came to light and how scientists proved it wasn't a modern forgery. Actually, as we shall soon see, the matter is much less clear than such hype would suggest, and there are many questions yet to be answered. Background The initial report in Biblical Archaeology Review (BAR) was written by a French scholar, André Lemaire (2002), who believes both the artifact and its inscription authentic. Such an ossuary, or bone box, was used to store bones in Jewish burial practice during the period from the first century b.c. to the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 a.d. (In this tradition the corpse would first be interred in a niche in a burial cave. After about a year, when the remains became skeletonized, the bones were gathered into a chest, usually made from a hollowed-out block of limestone fitted with a lid [Figueras 1983, 26]). Incised on one of the James ossuary's long sides, the inscription consists of a single line of twenty small Aramaic characters. It reads (from right to left): Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui diYeshua--that is, Jacob [English James], son of Yosef [Joseph], brother of Yeshua [Jesus]. Based on the script, Lemaire dates the inscription to some time between 20 b.c. and 70 a.d. And he believes that the inscription's mention of a father named Joseph plus a brother named Jesus suggests that this is the ossuary of the James in the New Testament, which in turn would also mean that we have here the first epigraphic mention--from about 63 c.e.--of Jesus of Nazareth (Lemaire 2002, 33). The ossuary's inscription (a portion of which is shown here) seems suspiciously sharp-edged for its apparent age. Lemaire believes the inscription has a consistency and correctness that show it is genuinely ancient and not a fake. The box was examined by two experts from the Geological Survey of Israel at the request of BAR. They concluded that the ossuary had a gray patina (or coating of age). The same gray patina is found also within some of the letters, he wrote, although the inscription was cleaned and the patina is therefore absent from several letters. They added, The patina has a cauliflower shape known to be developed in a cave environment. The experts also reported they saw no evidence of the use of a modern tool or instrument (Rosenfeld and Ilani 2002). Unfortunately, the cleaning of the inscription--an act either of stupidity or shrewdness--is problematic. It might have removed traces of modern tooling. And when we are told that the patina is found within some of the letters, we should certainly want to know which ones, since scholars have debated whether the phrase brother of Jesus might be a spurious addition (Altman 2002; Shuman 2002). It is even possible for traces of patination in an inscription to be original when the carving is not. That could happen if--as is the case of the James ossuary--shallow carving was done over a deeply pitted surface. The patinated bottoms of remnant pits could thus remain inside the fresh scribings. In any case the patina may not be all it is claimed. According to one forgery expert, because patination is expected with age, The production of a convincing patina has therefore been of great interest to those engaged in faking or restoration (Jones 1990). Although false patinas are most commonly applied to metalwork, stone sculptures and artifacts--including fake prehistoric flint implements--have been treated to create the appearance of antiquity (Jones 1990). For example, the versatile forger Alceo Dossena (1878-1937) produced convincing patinas on marble (a hard, metamorphic limestone) that gave his works an incredible look of age (Sox 1987). The patina traces of the James ossuary inscription have already been questioned. Responding to the claim that patina was cleaned from the inscription, one art expert notes that genuine patina would be difficult to remove while forged patina cracks off. This appears to be what happened with the ossuary, he concludes (Lupia 2002). Provenance The reason for questioning the patina is that additional evidence raises doubts about the ossuary's authenticity. To begin with, there is
Re: Use of cameras
Russell Chapman wrote: We have often discussed the use of cameras for law enforcement on the list over the years, but I have some new questions. I recently read that some US states DC in particular are still toying with photo radars, which we call speed cameras, and that red light cameras (which we funnily enough call red light cameras) are fairly wide spread. I also recently read the following from a US Newspaper site (but I've forgotten which one - none of the majors) Begin quote: The Federal Highway Administration conducted a scientific experiment over a five-year period, and found that the 85th percentile speed--or the speed under which 85 percent of drivers travel--changed no more than 1 to 2 mph even when the speed limit changed 15 mph. In another study, the same engineers--one of whom was Dr. Samuel Tignor, who just retired as the FHWA's technical director for safety and research development--found that current speed limits are set too low to be accepted as reasonable by the vast majority of drivers. Only about 1 in 10 speed zones has better than 50 percent compliance. The posted speeds make technical violators out of motorists driving at reasonable and safe speeds. End quote. My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) 3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and generating HUGE amounts of cash based on the FHWA's comments above... 4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until proven innocent method of infringement ticketing? Thanks Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Br!n, blades, and home defense.
Do you have to drag the body backwards a few feet, or just drip some blood on your carpet? William Taylor I was not sure if this was a serious question or not, but I'll give you a serious answer anyway In many , if not most, states, killing in self defense in the home has to pass two criteria (in most cases) before you are potentially off the hook. 1. Were you trapped in the house with no reasonable means of escape? At least in Ohio, if you shoot someone in your house and then it is found out that you could have safely escaped out of the back door, then you WILL be charged with murder. 2. Assuming there was no reasonable or possible means of escape, were you in imminent danger of death or serious injury? Again, if not, you WILL be charged with murder. Of course these can be subjective and subject to interpretation, but these are the general guidelines. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
Ack! Sorry about that -- somehow hit send before I started editing responding. Julia Thompson wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: Begin quote: The Federal Highway Administration conducted a scientific experiment over a five-year period, and found that the 85th percentile speed--or the speed under which 85 percent of drivers travel--changed no more than 1 to 2 mph even when the speed limit changed 15 mph. In another study, the same engineers--one of whom was Dr. Samuel Tignor, who just retired as the FHWA's technical director for safety and research development--found that current speed limits are set too low to be accepted as reasonable by the vast majority of drivers. Only about 1 in 10 speed zones has better than 50 percent compliance. The posted speeds make technical violators out of motorists driving at reasonable and safe speeds. End quote. My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? No, and there's a lot of controversy about the red light camera legislation proposed -- if you get photographed running a red light, there's no loophole out, which someone pointed out is likely to lead to people *not* entering intersections when the light is red in order to make way for emergency vehicles (Don't know what happened to that, that wasn't as big a bee in my bonnet as the whole redistricting thing.) 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) No. 3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and generating HUGE amounts of cash based on the FHWA's comments above... My understanding of how things worked on the highways patrolled by DPS (TX State Troopers) a few years back, anyway, was that they'd cruise in the right lane a good 5-10MPH under the speed limit (enough below that people felt comfortable passing them), using cruise control, and use radar on the traffic moving in the opposite direction. If the difference in speeds was too great, they'd punch on the sirens, pull into the left lane, cross over and do a U-turn, and pursue the vehicle in question. They don't park on the side of the interstate. :) Local law enforcement *does* park on the side, sometimes somewhat hidden. I know of a number of favored speed trap places, and tend to make sure I'm not excessively exceeding the speed limit (and be acutely aware of how safe a driver I'm being!) in those spots; on surface streets, I try to go *at* the speed limit in those areas, and that may make me a pain in the butt, but I may have saved a few of the people cursing me from being ticketed. (In the Austin area, be careful on northbound US 183 right around the big interchange ramp structure around MoPac (Loop 1), and up to where you go under Capital of Texas Highway (Loop 360); on McNeil Drive between Research Blvd. (US 183) and Technology; and in Pflugerville, on Dessau between Howard Ln. and Pecan St. Those are the speed traps I've seen manned most often. They're also places where there's a great temptation to speed, and it could have bad consequences if you weren't allowing enough space in front of you to brake suddenly. Except maybe the Pflugerville one, and that's near a construction zone where traffic fines can be doubled if people are working *anyway*.) 4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until proven innocent method of infringement ticketing? I can't speak to that in Texas. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: NotOFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation of America [L3 ]
At 02:16 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: plonk excl.,vt. [Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit. equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written *plonk*) is now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule. Is it okay if I mentioned that I used the term plonk earlier today on another list which was one of several I am on which someone spammed with a message which contained a URL which contained the word aryan? -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bran: Bran 7/11 statement shown accurate again
At 03:04 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I have to strongly disagree. Most breakfast cereals sold at convenience markets are high sugar content because it's very inconvenient when the kids start complaining. Bran flakes just don't sell that well. Eh, most everything on the breakfast cereal market like that has BHT in it, which my intestines don't do well with anyway. As we were talking about Nerds and Geeks a while back, those with Aus should not eat most breakfast cereals. For some reason the wheat (and other grains) act like an opiate to the brains of such people. If that is you, it's best to stick to Corn. My posts, frex. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
At 04:08 PM 6/2/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: There's responsible gun culture and irresponsible gun culture. The former is more likely found in rural areas, the latter more likely found in urban areas. There are still gun deaths in rural areas, but they're not as likely as ones in urban areas, and usually not as many are just random. (The notable exception I'm aware of lately was the drunk guy who killed his buddy to keep him from driving drunk I think that was Bastrop County.) My suspicion is that there is a strong correlation between drunk (or high) and irresponsible gun use. Then there was the guy about an hour's drive from here who over the weekend responded to his wife's request for a divorce by going to her house, cutting the throats of all their kids, decapitating their pets, and hanging himself. The local law enforcements says he was on crystal meth at the time . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: NotOFFLIST Re: The Format and Media consolidation ofAmerica [L3 ]
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:16 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: plonk excl.,vt. [Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap booze, or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit. equivalent to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the newsgroup talk.bizarre, this term (usually written *plonk*) is now (1994) widespread on Usenet as a form of public ridicule. Is it okay if I mentioned that I used the term plonk earlier today on another list which was one of several I am on which someone spammed with a message which contained a URL which contained the word aryan? I don't mind. I just mind publicly reading that specific person A plonked specific person B. If someone has a good reason to tell me privately, well, I mind the circumstances that led to the plonking, but not the private announcement. The above sounds like a case of justifiable plonking. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Brin 9/11 statement shown accurate again
At 03:07 PM 6/2/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- d.brin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped a lot But I am also a father, and I do NOT want schoolteachers armed to the teeth. I want only rifles in peoples, home, stored high with the bolts removed and locked elsewhere. We'll have our second amendment guns... and home defense or sport or hunting. All other types - including Assault rifles and handguns, are simply substitute penises for really sad obsessive fellows. grimace I must disagree with you here; I have been in the situation of waking to find an intruder standing in my bedroom doorway. Fortunately for me, I had practiced what to do in such a case, and lunging at him while snarling brandishing a wicked-looking letter-opener sent him running. Fortunately for him, I didn't own a gun yet; but did he later attack some unprepared or unable woman, and rape when I might have stopped him then? A friend of mine dating back to the first grade was at home alone one night (his father was a career Navy man, so he was away at sea a fair amount while my friend was growing up) when he heard someone attempting to break in. When the door opened, the intruder found himself facing my friend who was pointing a military-issue-type .45 automatic at him. The intruder left rather more hastily than he had entered, with no damage except perhaps to the state of his underwear. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin: Violent encounters poll.
I was never directly threatened with violence or death, but I was once almost procured for a serial killer (Dean Corll). http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/corll/index_1.html The guy who was trying to get me to go with him to a party was killed that same night. (James Dreymala) On another occasion I almost had to fight a guy who several months later would kill several people execution style during a robbery. http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/statistics/deathrow/drowlist/soffar.jpg http://users2.ev1.net/~gbryant/index.htm xponent Not Dead Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
A More Inhuman Mikado...spoilers and new ideas.(longish.)
Ignore this email for all of you that like to read from the Uplift Universe, but don't want to have the future spoiled... OK. I have already nailed certain propositions to the door. Theme A: If Alvin has a lodge and sailing ships, he's going to be successful. If successful, he's going to have a theater. As Brin is a fan of Gilbert Sullivan, and Alvin is a sailor, the first play will be H.M.S. Pinafore, and The Mikado will be the second play. The Mikado will cause a riot because Pooh-bah is, obviously, imitating hoon bureaucracy. Theme B: Mudfoot stays with Alvin. Because he's Tytlal. And the best joke he could ever play would be to undermine the planned development of the Hoon's client race, the Rousit, by giving them, or letting them retain, their sense of humor. Theme C: Alvin eventually goes to Earth and wins the America's Cup. Now, the standard cliché question asked of an author is Where do you get your ideas? That ain't the problem. A better question is, How do your ideas congeal into a story? Problems and revelations: 1) Alvin, and POV. Any story with Alvin has to be in first person. That's his shtick. But Brin never stays with just one POV, and if mainly from Alvin in first person, I think the story would bog down with too many daily details. Solution? First person Dor-hinuf who often quotes from her husband's journal. And a few first person chapters from Huck and Mudfoot. [Glory be to the Trickster, the dispassionate, the observer, the originator, the one unto all punchlines are known... (Too Islamic?)] Dor-hinuf could start a journal, to be a bit more like her husband. ..and currently, she's nothing. What was her relationship with her father? What happened to her mother?(Died in work accident.) Did they live on Hurmuphta before moving to Kazzkark? (yes.) Did Alvin meet Twaphu-anuph before he met Dor-hinuf? (Yes. More humorous when Twaphu-anuph meets Alvin a second time.with his daughter.) Did Alvin get his throat sac dyed while at Kazzkark? (I don't remember any earlier reference to his sac being dyed.) And if so, failing to have any family heraldry on Jijo, would it be a nice touch to have the six races of Jijo pictured on it? (Boy the things some guys do for a female) She has a Rousit. Are Rousit currently more like pets than clients? (Hers is. More to follow.) Are they smaller than the Wazoon? (A bit larger and planned for growth.) If the story is turning into novel length, there has to be an ape. Brin rule. ---I don't have any ideas on this yet. Conclusions for a better story: 1. Hurmuphta is a colony planet, not the Hoon homeworld. 2. Huck moves to the bay. The kids on training wheels are too much for Hurmuphta City. 3. Rousit are stage one, and currently mute. All the Rousit on Hurmuphta and the ones that were at Kazzkark are the rejects, or the red cards, to put it in Uplit War terms. When Hoons from the home planet start visiting Alvin, Mudfoot gets to see the more livelier rousit. ...for a while. The Hurmuphta powers that be put a stop to that. No more white and green card Rousit to come in contact with Mudfoot. And to also keep all Tymbrimi and Tytlal from visiting the planet. (Hurmuphta being too unimportant to have any embasies.) Giving reason for Mudfoot to cause the riot at the opening of the Mikado. (The reason for the invention of hoonish heraldry.) Eventually giving Alvin the reason to personally sponsor a Rousit Uplift Cerimony on Hurmuphta. (Yup, he's getting that rich now. What with the daily room occupancy now over a thousand. And his book having been published on Earth. And everything else in the way of humicker entertainment he's started.) Mudfoot meets the Tytlat, and both meet the best of the Rousit, because no race can be excluded from a cerimony if they want to attend. The Rausit fail stage two, as expected, but choose the Tytlal as their new Stage Consorts, along with the Forski--which pisses off the Soro to no end once they understand what that means. 4. Ur-ron shows up for the Uplift Cerimony. She has a plan for doing a Drake's Dare on Earth as a whole. 5. To avoid the controversy of elections and the expected change in Hurmuphta government, and to put Ur-ron's idea into action, Alvin and company visit Earth to revive the America's Cup race. Alvin visits the Krondisfire Monument. (The Streaker is now on the Thennanin homeworld.) Etc.. ...and if I'm not good enough to write in novel form, whenever our good Dr Brin shifts back into Uplift mode, he's going to get one damn detailed plot outline. William Taylor --- Typing all through Austin Powers ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
My night . . .
Of probably no particular interest to anyone: Tonight was the first astronomy class of the summer term, and we had gotten just about to the halfway point, and I was winding the string around my gyroscope in order to use it to demonstrate precession, when the county sheriff who does security for the campus stuck his head in the door to tell us that we had to evacuate the room because a tornado warning had been issued for the area. Of course, it wasn't even raining at the time, and the rain didn't even start falling until over an hour later, about the time they cancelled the tornado warning, after everyone had stood around in the hall for that time. It has just started raining again, with lightning and thunder, but if there was a tornado warning involved I already missed it: where I am located, at the very eastern edge of town, the warnings usually expire by the time the storm arrives at this end of town. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
Russell Chapman wrote: My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? Not that I know of (Ca.) 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) Don't think so. 3. What stops them parking one on the side of an interstate and generating HUGE amounts of cash based on the FHWA's comments above... There is a rather strange phenomenon surrounding speed limits here in Ca. and I believe it extends at least to some extent to the rest of the states. The speed limit is a rather general guideline for the most part ignored by all but a few. You can cruse at 70 mph on a 65 mph limit freeway, and as long as you're not driving like a moron (tailgating, weaving, passing in the slow lane etc.) you are probably never going to get stopped. The highway patrol generally cruses at 5-10 mph above the speed limit themselves, usually with a train of cars right behind them, matching their speed. Speeds of 10-15 mph above the limit are commonplace. The same kind of behavior occurs on surface streets. Residential limits are usually 25 mph, but you seldom see anyone going that slow. Personally, I think the whole setup is stupid, and would welcome an enforcement system that requires adherence such as photo radar. I would expect that they actually raise the freeway limit to 70-75. The way it works now, most of the traffic is exceeding the limit, but you'll get some self righteous driver chugging along in the fast lane doing the limit, clogging up the works. If people are driving recklessly, there are laws against that as well. 4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until proven innocent method of infringement ticketing? I think that the owner of a vehicle should be held responsible for that vehicle no matter who is driving it. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: media consolidation
Julia Thompson wrote: Michael Harney wrote: My thought on the whole companies owning too many stations thing is: Who cares? First off it will expand diversity, not limit it, because stations owned by the same company are going to target different demographics so that the stations are not competing with one another. What would be the point? Take USA and Sci-fi channel, both owned by the same parent company. There is a small degree of overlap, but only where the genres overlap. USA is primaily suspense and action stuff while Sci-fi is... well Sci-Fi. As long as there are enough channels for local interest, public access, etc. (and come on now, with digital cable and satelite service going up everywhere in the USA, we are in no danger of running out of channels), then what does it matter if one company ownes a bucket-full of stations in a varitable sea of stations. Unless you get the same bunch of people clueless about the different demographics making all the programming decisions The Fifth Estate used to help keep government and industry honest. They have been effectively co-opted. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Fwd: OFFLIST mistake!
Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip-snip OK, newbie question (in all your spare time! ;} ): is plonking the same as killfilling, or is it something else? TIA! :) sigh This was supposed to go to Julia, but I read the answer later...sorry for the Offlist post, folks! :P At Least It Wasn't A Scathing And Ranting Offlist Maru ;) You're not going to let us read those? 8^) Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
Doug Pensinger wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? Not that I know of (Ca.) 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) Don't think so. Yes. There are a few experiments in photo-stoplights in L.A. and Orange Counties. A few years ago, Pasadena had a photo-radar truck that would issue a ticket if it caught you speeding. Too many tickets were thrown out, IIRC, and they stopped. Lately, there have been several radar-trailers left on the side of the road, which display the current speed limit and what *your* speed is. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
Matt Grimaldi wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Russell Chapman wrote: My questions are: 1. Does your state/province have photo radar? Not that I know of (Ca.) 2. Has it ever? (I'm pretty sure Colorado stopped using them, and Ontario as well) Don't think so. Yes. There are a few experiments in photo-stoplights in L.A. and Orange Counties. A few years ago, Pasadena had a photo-radar truck that would issue a ticket if it caught you speeding. Too many tickets were thrown out, IIRC, and they stopped. We have quite a few photo stoplights up here (SF Bay area). I think they're a good idea. Lately, there have been several radar-trailers left on the side of the road, which display the current speed limit and what *your* speed is. We have those too. They even have a few permanent radar speed-limit signs now. Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: My night . . .
In a message dated 6/2/2003 10:15:35 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Of probably no particular interest to anyone: It's an opening line that perks my interest. Tonight was the first astronomy class of the summer term, and we had gotten just about to the halfway point, and I was winding the string around my gyroscope in order to use it to demonstrate precession, when the county sheriff who does security for the campus stuck his head in the door to tell us that we had to evacuate the room because a tornado warning had been issued for the area. snip The next time this class meets, tell them that that was your E.L.E. demonstration. Extremely Ludicrous Event William Taylor At least you had time to practice your Bok Walk. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Use of cameras
On 2 Jun 2003 at 22:29, Doug Pensinger wrote: 4. Is the reason for not having them the presumed guilty until proven innocent method of infringement ticketing? I think that the owner of a vehicle should be held responsible for that vehicle no matter who is driving it. I agree, for speeding tickets anyway. Hmm, I should say the people who hold insurance for that vehicle. Couple of incidents where co- owners said the other was driving and hence the ticket had to be dropped... Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
