[ccp4bb] dry shippers

2007-11-29 Thread Dirk Reinert
Dear all,

is anyone using the MVE Bio-Medical IATA/CryoShipper for sending crystals by
courier? If you do so, would you please tell me whether it is any good --
especially compared to those others that are more common (e.g. SC 4/2V, CX
100 or similar).

Thank you very much,

  Dirk.


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[ccp4bb] NEW POSTDOCTORAL POSITION IN PROTEIN COMPLEX CRYSTALLOGRAPHY (Barcelona)

2007-11-29 Thread Martha E. Brigg
 

   POSTDOCTORAL POSITION IN PROTEIN COMPLEX
CRYSTALLOGRAPHY
 

Applications are invited for a postdoctoral position in Prof. Miquel Coll’s
group at the Institute for Research in Biomedicine / Institut de Biologia
Molecular de Barcelona (CSIC) to work on the structural characterization of
protein complexes. The position is supported by the EU Project 3D-Repertoire
(www.3drepertoire.org http://www.3drepertoire.org/ ). A strong background
in protein expression is required. 

 

The IRB Barcelona/IBMB laboratories are equipped with state-of-the-art
protein expression and purification apparatus, including high-throughput
facilities. The crystallographic equipment includes nano-drop
crystallization robots, storage and visualization robots, rotating anode
generators with image plate detectors, automated sample exchanger and free
mounting system, and cutting-edge computational facilities. The Institute is
located in the stimulating scientific and cultural environment of the
Barcelona Science Park.

 
Those interested should contact (preferably by email):
 
Martha Elisabeth Brigg
Secretary
Structural and Computational Biology Programme 
Institute for Research in Biomedicine (IRB Barcelona)
Parc Científic de Barcelona, Josep Samitier 1-5 
08028 Barcelona, Spain
 
Email   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
URL: http://www.irbbarcelona.org/mcoll www.irbbarcelona.org/mcoll 
 
Applicants should send a full curriculum vitae and the names and addresses
(including e-mail address) of two referees no later than Dec  20th, 2007. 

 

 
29-Nov-2007

 

 

Martha Elisabeth Brigg

Secretaria de Programa Biologia Estructural i Computacional 

Institut de Recerca Biomèdica de Barcelona

C/ Josep Samitier 1-5

08028 Barcelona, Espanya

Tel. +34 93 403 99 53 

Fax. +34 93 403 99 76

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[ccp4bb] Postdoc position in Basel

2007-11-29 Thread Tilman Schirmer
Post-doctoral research position in the Core Program Structural Biology and 
Biophysics

Our group is interested in the molecular mechanisms of solute translocation 
across bacterial 
membranes as well as of c-di-GMP signaling. Based on the molecular structures 
that we determine 
by X-ray crystallography,  hypotheses are tested by analysis of structure - 
function relationships.

Highly motivated, structure oriented candidates with experience in molecular 
biology, protein 
chemistry and, preferably, also in biophysical methods and protein 
crystallography should send a 
statement of research objectives, a CV and the names of two references to:

Tilman Schirmer
Structural Biology, Biozentrum
University of Basel
Klingelbergstrasse 50-70
CH-4056, Basel, Switzerland

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.biozentrum.unibas.ch/schirmer


[ccp4bb] Protein interface prediction tool?

2007-11-29 Thread karen yates
Hi,

I would like to find a bioinformatic tool that will allow me to predict the
dimerisation interface of a protein.

A structural model has been generated, and it is known to exist as a homo-dimer.

Does anyone know of a suitable program?

Thank you for your help.

Karen




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Re: [ccp4bb] Protein interface prediction tool?

2007-11-29 Thread Andreas Förster

Hey Karen,

Pisa analyzes oligomerization interfaces.
http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/prot_int/pistart.html


Andreas


karen yates wrote:

Hi,

I would like to find a bioinformatic tool that will allow me to predict the
dimerisation interface of a protein.

A structural model has been generated, and it is known to exist as a homo-dimer.

Does anyone know of a suitable program?

Thank you for your help.

Karen




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[ccp4bb] more on dimerization interface analysis

2007-11-29 Thread Andreas Förster

Dear all,

Karen question reminded me that I have one also.

I study a protein that homodimerizes via a long helix.  A number of 
homologs exist.  They all dimerize, but the structure is only known of 
the first.  Homology is high enough that I can easily thread the 
homologs' sequences onto the structure.


How do I go about analyzing the new dimerization interfaces?  Before 
having Pisa have a go, I'd like to do some sort of minimization to allow 
for wiggling of one helix with respect to the other and rotamerization 
of side chains.  What I'm ultimately interested in is which homologs are 
likely to form heterooligomers.  There is some experimental evidence for 
that.


I'm grateful for suggestions.


Andreas

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Re: [ccp4bb] Protein interface prediction tool?

2007-11-29 Thread Kristof Van Hecke

HADDOCK..?
protein-protein docking..

Dominguez et al., 2003, JACS, 125, 1731-1737



Kristof

On 29 Nov 2007, at 13:22, karen yates wrote:


Hi,

I would like to find a bioinformatic tool that will allow me to  
predict the

dimerisation interface of a protein.

A structural model has been generated, and it is known to exist as  
a homo-dimer.


Does anyone know of a suitable program?

Thank you for your help.

Karen




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Re: [ccp4bb] more on dimerization interface analysis

2007-11-29 Thread David Briggs
Hi Andreas,

This maybe a little ott, but the Rosetta suite of modelling programs will do
docking with some minimisation and side chain optimisation. You can also
enforce symmetry.

http://www.rosettacommons.org/
http://depts.washington.edu/bakerpg/

It is free to academics and runs on most platforms.

Hope this helps,

Dave

On 29/11/2007, Andreas Förster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear all,

 Karen question reminded me that I have one also.

 I study a protein that homodimerizes via a long helix.  A number of
 homologs exist.  They all dimerize, but the structure is only known of
 the first.  Homology is high enough that I can easily thread the
 homologs' sequences onto the structure.

 How do I go about analyzing the new dimerization interfaces?  Before
 having Pisa have a go, I'd like to do some sort of minimization to allow
 for wiggling of one helix with respect to the other and rotamerization
 of side chains.  What I'm ultimately interested in is which homologs are
 likely to form heterooligomers.  There is some experimental evidence for
 that.

 I'm grateful for suggestions.


 Andreas

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Re: [ccp4bb] Protein interface prediction tool?

2007-11-29 Thread Martyn Winn
PISA gives a good analysis of a known interface, but won't predict it
from scratch. So basically you need a protein-protein docking program of
which there are several:

3DDock, gramm, zdock, etc, etc

There's a review in G.R.Smith and MJE Sternberg, Curr Opion Struct Biol,
12, 28 (2002) - obviously a little old now.

See also the CAPRI assessment http://capri.ebi.ac.uk/

These methods will give you a surfeit of predictions, the fun is in
choosing the one you like, e.g. using tools like PISA

HTH
Martyn

On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 12:47 +, Andreas Förster wrote:
 Hey Karen,
 
 Pisa analyzes oligomerization interfaces.
 http://www.ebi.ac.uk/msd-srv/prot_int/pistart.html
 
 
 Andreas
 
 
 karen yates wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I would like to find a bioinformatic tool that will allow me to predict the
  dimerisation interface of a protein.
  
  A structural model has been generated, and it is known to exist as a 
  homo-dimer.
  
  Does anyone know of a suitable program?
  
  Thank you for your help.
  
  Karen
  
  
  
  
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[ccp4bb] PhD in GPCR Signalling

2007-11-29 Thread Gebhard Schertler


PhD in GPCR Signalling

In my laboratory at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology there are
PhD opportunities in structural biology of G protein coupled receptor  
(GPCR) signalling.


We have outstanding expertise in 2D and 3D crystallisation of GPCRs.  
We are working on the structure of GPCRs and on GPCR signalling  
complexes with electron microscopy and micro crystallography.


This year we have solved the first structure of a recombinant GPCR
Standfuss, J., et al. (2007) Crystal structure of a thermally stable  
rhodopsin mutant.

J Mol Biol 372, 1179-1188

And in collaboration with Brian Kobilka we have solved the first  
structure of a Human beta 2 adrenergic receptor in complex with an  
antibody fragment.
Rasmussen, S.G., et al. (2007) Crystal structure of the human beta(2)  
adrenergic G-protein-coupled receptor.

Nature Nature 450, 383-387

Home Page:
http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/SS/Schertler_G/

Application deadlines:
 - EU/overseas application  
deadline:
   14th December 2007


 - UK application  
deadline:
4th  
January 2008


 - LMB Cambridge Scholarship nomination  
deadline:
  21st December 2007


Link LMB Funding
http://www2.mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk/projects/PhD_funding.html

There are many more opportunities at the MRC Laboratory of Molecular  
Biology in other subject areas.



You can informally contact me directly.



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MRC
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Cambridge CB2 0QH

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[ccp4bb] HHMI X-ray lab manager/Research Scientist Job

2007-11-29 Thread Marcelo Carlos Sousa

To all interested parties:

A Research Scientist / X-ray lab manager position in the lab of Tom  
Cech in Boulder, Colorado is open.


Job Description:

The Howard Hughes Medical Institute, a leading biomedical research  
organization, is seeking an experienced scientist to manage our X-ray  
crystallography facility at the Cech research laboratory at the  
University of Colorado campus in Boulder.


The facility is equipped with two Rigaku generators and R-Axis IV++  
detectors for data collection, a linux cluster, and Macintosh  
computers for calculations and graphics, and a Fluidigm microfluidics  
crystallizer. The successful candidate will (1) Carry out routine  
maintenance on these instruments and coordinate service under service  
contracts; (2) perform routine Unix system administration and  
crystallographic software management; (3) provide basic training in  
the use of x-ray crystallographic equipment and software to users;  
and (4) engage in independent or collaborative research.


Preferred qualifications include a Ph.D. degree in an appropriate  
field of science or technology, and three years of experience in a  
Research Specialist level position. Previous experience in Unix/Linux  
system administration and routine maintenance of crystallography  
hardware is essential.


HHMI offers an excellent salary and comprehensive benefits package.  
Interested candidates please forward a statement of interest, CV,  
publications and references by December 30, 2007 to Ms. Robbie  
Haywood Oglesby, Administrative Assistant, 1200 Moursund Ave S101,  
Houston, Texas 77030 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Include Research  
Specialist - Cech Laboratory in the subject line of your e-mail).





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Cristol Chemistry Building. Room 100
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University of Colorado at Boulder
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Re: [ccp4bb] Protein interface prediction tool?

2007-11-29 Thread Andrew Orry

Karen,

MolSoft offers a free online tool that predicts protein-protein 
interfaces using our ICM software.

http://www.molsoft.com/oda.cgi

more information here:
http://www.molsoft.com/oda.html
Fernandez-Recio, J., Totrov, M., Skorodumov, C., Abagyan, R.Optimal 
Docking Area: A New Method for Predicting Protein-Protein Interaction 
Sites. Proteins 57:400-13


Thanks,
Andy

karen yates wrote:

Hi,

I would like to find a bioinformatic tool that will allow me to predict the
dimerisation interface of a protein.

A structural model has been generated, and it is known to exist as a homo-dimer.

Does anyone know of a suitable program?

Thank you for your help.

Karen




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Re: [ccp4bb] S-S in EC

2007-11-29 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Nonredundant summary - thx to all submitters:

1) disulfide was often present even after expression in a normal BL21 strain

2) try OrigamiB (DE3), Rosetta-Gami 2 from Novagen, are codon optimized and
   have mutations in the thiorodoxin reductase and glutathione reductase
genes
- expressing from pET32 vectors which contain a thioredoxin fusion tag
- extra purification steps are generally needed to remove the thiorodoxin
  after cleavage of the fusion tag
- level of expression achieved was not very impressive for E. coli,  
  but enough to work with for structural studies
- generally human, extracellular proteins
- as always, protein dependent 
- Origami strains are somewhat slow growing and sick-seeming
  do not grow to very high densities and have to be coddled somewhat
- They grow well enough in auto-induction media

- grow to OD around 1.0-1.1 at 37, cool flasks in ice bath to 20, 
  induce o/n with 30 uM IPTG at 18°C. 
- some success with periplasmic export for disulfide bridge formation 
  using the OmpA leader sequence (not the PelB leader from the pET plasmids)

3) used the AD494 (trx) strain with good results 

4) Tuner strain (also Novagen) and low levels of IPTG to induce expression

  - led to expression of a protein with one disulphide bridge

5) try pichia.

br
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Subject: [ccp4bb] S-S in EC

Dear All,

I need to express a mammalian protein with S-S bridges and would hope 
to talk off-board with a person who knows about thioredoxin strains ect that
might work.

Thx, br
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[ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

2007-11-29 Thread Sabini, Elisabetta
Dear all,

I am refining two structures which have in the active site a ligand
containing a covalent bond between a carbon and a chlorine atom.

I collected the data at APS, SERCAT ID-22.

Because of radiation damage I tried different occupancy values for the
chlorine atom and structure number #1 is best with occupancy 0.2 while
structure #2 seems to be happy with occupancy 0 (occupancy for the rest of
the ligand is 1).

I checked by mass spec if my compound has the molecular weight expected
with a chlorine atom and it does, so the original compound was correct.

Can radiation damage make the chlorine completely disappear?

Do the different occupancy values I get depend also on the resolution?
In fact:

Structure # 1 (OCC=0.2) refined to 1.8A (Rfact/Rfree=20/25%)
Structure # 2 (OCC=0.0) refined to 2.5A (Rfact/Rfree=23/33%)


When I make the figures for publication, do I draw the ligand with or
without chlorine?

Thanks,

Eli =)


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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

2007-11-29 Thread Sabini, Elisabetta
Thank you for all the answers I am starting to get!
In the meantime, could I please also ask you to suggest to me papers that
would be a good reference to put in my publication?
Thank you again!
Eli =)


On Thu, November 29, 2007 4:21 pm, Fischmann, Thierry wrote:
 Dear Eli,

 I work in a pharmaceutical company and go through many diverse compounds.
 My extensive experience with Br and Cl is that they easily get cleaved by
 X-ray. I've done a lot of experiments to address the problem: radical
 scavengers (fail: it does not look like the process is radical-mediated),
 energy dependence (fails: in fact cleavage occurs at the home Cu 1.54Å
 source), and fast data collection (success at the expense of data quality,
 but often mandatory).

 Cleavage happens much more readily if the halogen is exposed to solvent.
 In fact I have the ultimate proof that this is a determinant factor: a
 chiral compound which changes binding orientation when the chirality is
 inversed, and the halogen either exposed to solvent or buried depending on
 chirality. That atom is connected to a non-chiral, planar moiety,
 therefore its chemical environment is the same in each enantiomer. However
 cleavage is very fast in the solvent-exposed conformation, and very slow
 in the opposite orientation.

 Solutions:
 - Collect your data very quickly (example: after running a strategy, 1
 second exposure for 1 degree sweep at the synchrotron, for a total sweep
 of 100 deg). The cleavage is clearly dose-dependent.
 - Re-scale your data after discarding data collected at the end. Often
 (but not always) these data add redundancy but do little to completeness.
 Try to discard as much data as possible while keeping the completeness
 reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised that the #1 structure would do much
 better in terms of Cl occupancy if you could get by with 50% of the data.
 #2 may be a more tricky case.

 As far as publication is concerned, I wouldn't show the Cl for #2, but I
 would show it for #1 if there is no indication that the binding pose has
 moved due to cleavage. That is the case for my compounds.

 Good luck!
 Thierry


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 Sabini, Elisabetta
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 04:41 PM
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

 Dear all,

 I am refining two structures which have in the active site a ligand
 containing a covalent bond between a carbon and a chlorine atom.

 I collected the data at APS, SERCAT ID-22.

 Because of radiation damage I tried different occupancy values for the
 chlorine atom and structure number #1 is best with occupancy 0.2 while
 structure #2 seems to be happy with occupancy 0 (occupancy for the rest of
 the ligand is 1).

 I checked by mass spec if my compound has the molecular weight expected
 with a chlorine atom and it does, so the original compound was correct.

 Can radiation damage make the chlorine completely disappear?

 Do the different occupancy values I get depend also on the resolution?
 In fact:

 Structure # 1 (OCC=0.2) refined to 1.8A (Rfact/Rfree=20/25%)
 Structure # 2 (OCC=0.0) refined to 2.5A (Rfact/Rfree=23/33%)


 When I make the figures for publication, do I draw the ligand with or
 without chlorine?

 Thanks,

 Eli =)


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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

2007-11-29 Thread Tadeusz Skarzynski
Dear Elisabetta,
Which program did you use for refinement?
If you used REFMAC, the atomic scattering factors are internally coded for 
copper radiation, and the resulting electron density map after refinement 
may be much lower for halide atoms than it should be!
It is a known REFMAC issue.
Tadeusz




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Dear all,

I am refining two structures which have in the active site a ligand
containing a covalent bond between a carbon and a chlorine atom.

I collected the data at APS, SERCAT ID-22.

Because of radiation damage I tried different occupancy values for the
chlorine atom and structure number #1 is best with occupancy 0.2 while
structure #2 seems to be happy with occupancy 0 (occupancy for the rest of
the ligand is 1).

I checked by mass spec if my compound has the molecular weight expected
with a chlorine atom and it does, so the original compound was correct.

Can radiation damage make the chlorine completely disappear?

Do the different occupancy values I get depend also on the resolution?
In fact:

Structure # 1 (OCC=0.2) refined to 1.8A (Rfact/Rfree=20/25%)
Structure # 2 (OCC=0.0) refined to 2.5A (Rfact/Rfree=23/33%)


When I make the figures for publication, do I draw the ligand with or
without chlorine?

Thanks,

Eli =)


-- 
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Research Assistant Professor
University of Illinois at Chicago
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics
Molecular Biology Research Building, Rm. 1108
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Chicago, IL 60607
U.S.A.

Tel: (312) 996-6299
Fax: (312) 355-4535
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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

2007-11-29 Thread Sabini, Elisabetta
Another question:

since during data collection the chlorine disappears, can the residues
surrounding the chlorine adjust their position to compensate for the
vanishing of the atom? Can the ligand move? Do things move during data
collection?

Meaning, can I describe what I see in my structure as a structure that
have in its active site a ligand with a chlorineeven if it is really
not there? ...but it was there during crystal growth...?

Thanks again,

Eli

PS: I will read your answers tomorrow! GRAZIE GRAZIE!!!


On Thu, November 29, 2007 5:04 pm, Sabini, Elisabetta wrote:
 Thank you for all the answers I am starting to get!
 In the meantime, could I please also ask you to suggest to me papers that
 would be a good reference to put in my publication?
 Thank you again!
 Eli =)


 On Thu, November 29, 2007 4:21 pm, Fischmann, Thierry wrote:
 Dear Eli,

 I work in a pharmaceutical company and go through many diverse
 compounds.
 My extensive experience with Br and Cl is that they easily get cleaved
 by
 X-ray. I've done a lot of experiments to address the problem: radical
 scavengers (fail: it does not look like the process is
 radical-mediated),
 energy dependence (fails: in fact cleavage occurs at the home Cu 1.54Å
 source), and fast data collection (success at the expense of data
 quality,
 but often mandatory).

 Cleavage happens much more readily if the halogen is exposed to solvent.
 In fact I have the ultimate proof that this is a determinant factor: a
 chiral compound which changes binding orientation when the chirality is
 inversed, and the halogen either exposed to solvent or buried depending
 on
 chirality. That atom is connected to a non-chiral, planar moiety,
 therefore its chemical environment is the same in each enantiomer.
 However
 cleavage is very fast in the solvent-exposed conformation, and very slow
 in the opposite orientation.

 Solutions:
 -Collect your data very quickly (example: after running a strategy, 1
 second exposure for 1 degree sweep at the synchrotron, for a total sweep
 of 100 deg). The cleavage is clearly dose-dependent.
 -Re-scale your data after discarding data collected at the end. Often
 (but not always) these data add redundancy but do little to
 completeness.
 Try to discard as much data as possible while keeping the completeness
 reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised that the #1 structure would do much
 better in terms of Cl occupancy if you could get by with 50% of the
 data.
 #2 may be a more tricky case.

 As far as publication is concerned, I wouldn't show the Cl for #2, but I
 would show it for #1 if there is no indication that the binding pose has
 moved due to cleavage. That is the case for my compounds.

 Good luck!
 Thierry


 -Original Message-
 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Sabini, Elisabetta
 Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 04:41 PM
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

 Dear all,

 I am refining two structures which have in the active site a ligand
 containing a covalent bond between a carbon and a chlorine atom.

 I collected the data at APS, SERCAT ID-22.

 Because of radiation damage I tried different occupancy values for the
 chlorine atom and structure number #1 is best with occupancy 0.2 while
 structure #2 seems to be happy with occupancy 0 (occupancy for the rest
 of
 the ligand is 1).

 I checked by mass spec if my compound has the molecular weight expected
 with a chlorine atom and it does, so the original compound was correct.

 Can radiation damage make the chlorine completely disappear?

 Do the different occupancy values I get depend also on the resolution?
 In fact:

 Structure # 1 (OCC=0.2) refined to 1.8A (Rfact/Rfree=20/25%)
 Structure # 2 (OCC=0.0) refined to 2.5A (Rfact/Rfree=23/33%)


 When I make the figures for publication, do I draw the ligand with or
 without chlorine?

 Thanks,

 Eli =)


 --
 Elisabetta Sabini, Ph.D.
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Re: [ccp4bb] Finding Chlorine =)

2007-11-29 Thread Garib Murshudov

But you can change it with the keyword

anomolous formfactor  element f' f''

Where f' and f'' correspond to values for a given wavelength.
See for details:
 http://www.ysbl.york.ac.uk/refmac/data/refmac_news.html

Internally yes. It is CuKa.


Garib

On 29 Nov 2007, at 23:19, Tadeusz Skarzynski wrote:



Dear Elisabetta,
Which program did you use for refinement?
If you used REFMAC, the atomic scattering factors are internally  
coded for copper radiation, and the resulting electron density map  
after refinement may be much lower for halide atoms than it should be!

It is a known REFMAC issue.
Tadeusz



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Dear all,

I am refining two structures which have in the active site a ligand
containing a covalent bond between a carbon and a chlorine atom.

I collected the data at APS, SERCAT ID-22.

Because of radiation damage I tried different occupancy values for the
chlorine atom and structure number #1 is best with occupancy 0.2 while
structure #2 seems to be happy with occupancy 0 (occupancy for the  
rest of

the ligand is 1).

I checked by mass spec if my compound has the molecular weight  
expected
with a chlorine atom and it does, so the original compound was  
correct.


Can radiation damage make the chlorine completely disappear?

Do the different occupancy values I get depend also on the resolution?
In fact:

Structure # 1 (OCC=0.2) refined to 1.8A (Rfact/Rfree=20/25%)
Structure # 2 (OCC=0.0) refined to 2.5A (Rfact/Rfree=23/33%)


When I make the figures for publication, do I draw the ligand with or
without chlorine?

Thanks,

Eli =)


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University of Illinois at Chicago
Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Genetics
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