Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Fight Fight Fight! On Apr 11, 2013, at 5:46 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
[ccp4bb] off topic: Science is Vital - campaign for science funding in UK
Dear all This is mostly relevant for those of you in the UK, so I apologise for the off tpopic nature of the email. However, I think this is an important issue for the CCP4 community as a whole as well, since UK funding changes will affect how CCP4 is funded and the continued support we all get. As you may have heard, Science is Vital, the grassroots group that helped stave off cuts to research funding in 2010 (http://scienceisvital.org.uk/science-is-vital-old/), has a new campaign asking the UK government to modestly increase science funding in the next budget round for 2015-16 (decisions about which will be announced in June). There are strong rumours that another cash freeze is the most likely result, which obviously would continue a trend of decline that's already starting to bite. We have launched a petition, which can be read and signed here: http://scienceisvital.org.uk/2013/03/21/petition-increase-governmental-spend-on-rd-to-0-8-gdp/ We urge you to sign today. In the next few months, the Government will make key decisions about how to dispense funds for the next few years, and together we must remind them that science is vital for the UK. Also, we are collecting data on the effects of the current cash freeze in a survey in order to prepare a report that should prove useful for persuading the Government: http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/1195150/Survey-on-effects-of-Science-Funding-Cash-Freeze So, if you are or have been in the recent past a UK-based researcher, please take the survey and let us know the effects you have experienced. For both these initiatives, we’d also appreciate it if you could spread the word to colleagues via departmental mailing lists, as well as family and friends. Remember, you don’t have to be a scientist to think science is vital, so you can ask everyone! Thanks for your support. Best wishes Paula Member of the Science is Vital Executive Committee === Dr Paula S. Salgado Lecturer in Macromolecular Crystallography Institute for Cell and Molecular Biosciences Faculty of Medical Sciences 3rd Floor Cookson Building Newcastle University Newcastle upon Tyne, NE2 4HH, UK Tel: +44 (0)191 222 7369 Fax: +44 (0)191 222 7424 Email: paula.salg...@ncl.ac.uk
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is this duel… Drop you pistols or swords ! :-) Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta Crystallographica F, co-editor e-mail: mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il Tel: ++972-3640-8723 Fax: ++972-3640-9407 Cellular: 0547 459 608 On Apr 11, 2013, at 18:46 , eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
I think James gets to 'fight' like in the old game of rogue by pressing the h, j, k, l keys on his keyboard (not a detachable one either). While Eugene gets to use a modern game controller or a Wii. Ooops, game is already over and James has lost. Jim From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Felix Frolow [mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success I would serve as a second in this duel, but I respect very much both engaged is this duel… Drop you pistols or swords ! :-) Dr Felix Frolow Professor of Structural Biology and Biotechnology, Department of Molecular Microbiology and Biotechnology Tel Aviv University 69978, Israel Acta Crystallographica F, co-editor e-mail: mbfro...@post.tau.ac.ilmailto:mbfro...@post.tau.ac.il Tel: ++972-3640-8723 Fax: ++972-3640-9407 Cellular: 0547 459 608 On Apr 11, 2013, at 18:46 , eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: That's really hard. Duel? Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 16:32, James Holton wrote: CCP4 has a GUI? -James Holton MAD Scientist On 4/11/2013 5:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). Scriptability. On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: I think James gets to 'fight' like in the old game of rogue by pressing the h, j, k, l keys on his keyboard (not a detachable one either). While Eugene gets to use a modern game controller or a Wii. Ooops, game is already over and James [Holton] has lost. But he wrote the game. James
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best regards, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:10, Dale Tronrud wrote: FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
In promise for next release. On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 11, 2013, at 6:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). Scriptability. On Apr 11, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Jim Pflugrath wrote: I think James gets to 'fight' like in the old game of rogue by pressing the h, j, k, l keys on his keyboard (not a detachable one either). While Eugene gets to use a modern game controller or a Wii. Ooops, game is already over and James [Holton] has lost. But he wrote the game. James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best regards, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:10, Dale Tronrud wrote: FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
In cases like this, a request at c...@stfc.ac.uk should be the way to go. CCP4 is a community resource and we are to listen and to do what's doable. We may not do everything at once, but knowing what is required is vital for the project. Cheers, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:22, Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best regards, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:10, Dale Tronrud wrote: FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical. -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of machines in the same network is to install a single master copy of ccp4 on one machine exported to the others via NFS, and have all the machines run it from there. Then you only need to update one copy. Works fine for me. Ethan Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best regards, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:10, Dale Tronrud wrote: FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto:eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Ethan A Merritt Biomolecular Structure Center, K-428 Health Sciences Bldg University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Perhaps there needs to be a separate update manager to manage updates to the update manager: [image: Inline images 1] (from http://xkcd.com/1197/) Cheers, Richard -- Richard Gildea Software Developer Physical Biosciences Division Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory 1 Cyclotron Rd Mail Stop 64R0121 Berkeley CA 94720-8118 On 11 April 2013 05:17, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto: eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto: eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Scanned by iCritical.
Re: [ccp4bb] CCP4 Update victim of own success
Yep. I put all specialty lab software tools on a file server and mount it on all workstations as /usr/local/xtal, a suggestion I think I learned...here. There are few programs that can't be served this way. I only have to update the server. Roger Rowlett On Apr 11, 2013 1:42 PM, Ethan Merritt merr...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of machines in the same network is to install a single master copy of ccp4 on one machine exported to the others via NFS, and have all the machines run it from there. Then you only need to update one copy. Works fine for me. Ethan Many thanks. Tony. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:19, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Dear Dale, From next CCP4 release (due soon), ccp4um will be runnable from command line in automatic, non-graphical mode, fully cronable. I hope that that will give you what you want. --check-silent is a special option for ccp4i, it only checks for new updates but do not install them. Best regards, Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 18:10, Dale Tronrud wrote: FYI I have a small herd of computers here and find it cumbersome to ssh to each and fire up ccp4i just to update the systems. ccp4i takes a while to draw all those boxes (particularly over ssh) and leaves files behind in my disk areas on computers that I'm not likely to, personally, run crystallographic computations. I much prefer to simply run ccp4um from the command line. In fact, I would rather put it in cron and forget about it -- and I expect that is what --check-silent is for. The usage statement, however, doesn't explicitly say that this installs the new updates it finds. I'll have to experiment a bit. Dale Tronrud On 04/11/2013 05:17 AM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: Sorry that this was unclear. We assume that updater is used primarily from ccp4i, where nothing changed (and why it should be used from command line at all ?:)). The name was changed because it is reserved in Windows, which caused lots of troubles. Now it will stay as is. Eugene On 11 Apr 2013, at 05:16, James Stroud wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:30 PM, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto: eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.ukmailto: eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote: No, it got renamed to ccp4um :) That should have been written in update descriptions, was it not? There was only one mention of ccp4um that I could find in all update descriptions that I found (6.3.0-020). I only figured out what information was trying to be communicated because of your message (see attachment). James um-what.png On 11 Apr 2013, at 03:54, James Stroud wrote: Hello All, I downloaded a crispy new version of CCP4 and ran update until the update update script disappeared. Is the reason that CCP4 has reached its final update? James -- Ethan A Merritt Biomolecular Structure Center, K-428 Health Sciences Bldg University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742
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On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of machines in the same network is to install a single master copy of ccp4 on one machine exported to the others via NFS, and have all the machines run it from there. Then you only need to update one copy. Works fine for me. Ethan My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to another building. Even with gigabit, running X remotely is rather slow and bothersome. -- === All Things Serve the Beam === David J. Schuller modern man in a post-modern world MacCHESS, Cornell University schul...@cornell.edu
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On Thursday, April 11, 2013 01:53:16 pm David Schuller wrote: On 04/11/13 13:36, Ethan Merritt wrote: On Thursday, April 11, 2013 10:22:59 am Antony Oliver wrote: Eugene - that's great. I too run a small suite of Macs (12) and was trying to find a practical way of updating all those machines remotely. The command line version of CCP4um will be very useful. Another option for a set of machines in the same network is to install a single master copy of ccp4 on one machine exported to the others via NFS, and have all the machines run it from there. Then you only need to update one copy. Works fine for me. Ethan My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to another building. Even with gigabit, running X remotely is rather slow and bothersome. You may misunderstand - the executables live on a shared NFS directory but there is no remote X connection involved. Having said that, I routinely connect to the lab machines from home via ssh. In that case the X connection is remote, but I find that the performance of the ccp4i GUI is adequate even across the WAN. Ethan -- Ethan A Merritt Biomolecular Structure Center, K-428 Health Sciences Bldg University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742
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On 11 Apr 2013, at 13:53, David Schuller dj...@cornell.edu wrote: My method is to run the updater graphically on one machine, then spread it around with rsync. Although being able to run it on the command line would allow me to accomplish that from my own desk, without crossing campus to another building. Even with gigabit, running X remotely is rather slow and bothersome. In some cases I've found that compressing the ssh-traffic (i.e. ssh -C user@host) is enough to transform an unusably slow session to a workable one. // Johan
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