[CentOS-announce] Impact of the Debian OpenSSL vulnerability
A severe vulnerability was found in the random number generator (RNG) of the Debian OpenSSL package, starting with version 0.9.8c-1 (and similar packages in derived distributions such as Ubuntu). While this bug is not present in the OpenSSL packages provided by CentOS, it may still affect CentOS users. The bug barred the OpenSSL random number generator from gaining enough entropy required for generating unpredicatable keys. In fact it appearss that the only source for entropy was the process ID of the process generating a key, which is chosen from a very small range and is predictable. As such, all keys generated using the Debian OpenSSL library should be considered compromized. Programs that use OpenSSL include OpenSSH and OpenVPN. Note that GnuPG and GNU TLS do not use OpenSSL, so they are not affected. This vulnerability can affect CentOS machines through the use of keys that were generated with the OpenSSL package from Debian. For instance, if a user uses OpenSSH public key authentication to log on to a CentOS server, and this user generated the key pair with a vulnerable OpenSSL library, the server is at heavy risk because the key can be reproduced easily. Additionally, all (good) DSA keys that were ever used on a vulnerable Debian machine for signing or authentication should also be considered compromized due to a known attack on DSA keys. As a result of this bug, everyone should audit *every* key or cerficicate that was generated with OpenSSL, to trace its origin and make sure that it was not generated with a vulnerable Debian OpenSSL package. Or in the case of DSA keys care should be taken that they were not generated or used on a system with a vulnerable OpenSSL package. Keys that are potentially compromised should be replaced with strong keys. The Debian Wiki[2] has a preliminary list of affected application. A tool to detect potentially weak keys is also provided, but it contains an incomplete list of affected keys and can give false positives. The Metasploit project provides a full list of weak keys in various configurations[3]. Questions on how this may affect CentOS users should be directed to the CentOS users list. List subscription information is available from: http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos With kind regards, The CentOS Team [1] http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 [2] http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys [3] http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ ___ CentOS-announce mailing list CentOS-announce@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce
[CentOS-announce] CESA-2008:0194 Important CentOS 5 x86_64 xen Update
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0194 Important
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0194.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename )
x86_64:
c7f5f0b8fc0ded6a071c537ab490edff xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm
af6fb05cfebd799f9071cc3e83f561c1 xen-devel-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.i386.rpm
3b697c6fdc46dbd2e939da6a334c9220 xen-devel-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm
bc77d399eb72833ed5ca4dcfffe599e0 xen-libs-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.i386.rpm
9662e7449f8a764cc022f6110a8def5a xen-libs-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.x86_64.rpm
Source:
32a42dbc51a00c12719ae6c5405439b1 xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.src.rpm
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[CentOS-announce] CESA-2008:0194 Important CentOS 5 i386 xen Update
CentOS Errata and Security Advisory 2008:0194 Important
Upstream details at : https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0194.html
The following updated files have been uploaded and are currently
syncing to the mirrors: ( md5sum Filename )
i386:
895491c081517cb49e65fdcc73b11291 xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.i386.rpm
fca59354c0adf82110f6b647681aea80 xen-devel-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.i386.rpm
574f651c259c429ceddc4b8ef2d8eb95 xen-libs-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.i386.rpm
Source:
32a42dbc51a00c12719ae6c5405439b1 xen-3.0.3-41.el5_1.5.src.rpm
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Re: [CentOS-virt] Web based management system for Xen
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 21:59 +0200, Fabian Arrotin wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2008, Karanbir Singh wrote: Can anyone recommend a web based management panel that would let me bring up / tear down and do some basic management for a bunch of Xen VM's ? Special bonus points if the panel can manage remote Xen Hosts :D I've never used/tested it but it seems OpenQRM can manage Xen VM's (as well as deploying newer DomU's). There is a virtual appliance (built on CentOS ;-) ) that can be downloaded from the openqrm website : http://www.openqrm.org/openqrm-virtual-appliance.html But i can't speak of openqrm because i've no experience with it .. but i know that some experimented people (subscribed to this list) use it on a day-to-day basis, isn't it Kris ? ;-) Mailinglist need Name highlighting :) I`m not using openQRM on a day to day basis, but I have been implementing it to manage virtual machine deployment , migrations and management before. http://www.krisbuytaert.be/published_articles/openQRM-Xen/ (Note that this is for the 3.X series :) It also features live migration as documented here (I hope the link works as Youtube is blocked at the custumer I am with today) http://www.google.com/url?sa=tct=rescd=1url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3DEeqQC5SoPvsei=7f8rSKOrE5aKxAGXrpyYBgusg=AFQjCNGthXmkTTYJQjyvPIcVylu3WIIv3Qsig2=nepxE_sskKNc8_Dlav8LMg greetz Kris ___ CentOS-virt mailing list CentOS-virt@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-virt
Re: [CentOS-es] Blacklist
Hector Martínez Romo wrote: Estimados Tengo una duda respecto a de donde obtener listas negras (gratis) actualizadas para Dansguardian, el asunto es que he bajado un set de listas negra desde URLBlacklist.com , pero en esta pagina dice que solo la primera vez puedo bajarla gratis, luego debo pagar. ¿algún dato al respecto? hola Héctor en efecto ellos piden que una sola vez.. en todo caso para uso empresarial sale ocmo en 6usd/mes que no es gran costo para una empresa... quizá apoyes al autor de dansguardian en esta forma. A propósito dansguardian creo que no era gratis pra empresas, deberís revisr los términos de su uso. -- saludos! epe Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.NuestroServer.com/ USA: +1 305 359 4495 / España: +34 91 761 7884 Ecuador: +593 2 341 2402 / + 593 9 9246504 Mexico: +52 55 1163 8640 / Italia: +39 06 916504876 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
RE: [CentOS-es] Blacklist
-Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez Enviado el: Jueves, 15 de Mayo de 2008 16:36 Para: centos-es@centos.org Asunto: Re: [CentOS-es] Blacklist ola Héctor en efecto ellos piden que una sola vez.. en todo caso para uso empresarial sale ocmo en 6usd/mes que no es gran costo para una empresa... quizá apoyes al autor de dansguardian en esta forma. A propósito dansguardian creo que no era gratis pra empresas, deberís revisr los términos de su uso. -- saludos! epe OK, como siempre gracias por tu repuesta Ernesto , me puedo quedar tranquilo ya que las instituciones de gobierno entran en la categoría no-comercial. For all non-commercial[1] use you are free, without cost, allowed to download DansGuardian from this site. [1] Non-Commercial Use: Includes home users, installation and use by educational establishment employees, and other non-profit making organisations such as charities, social clubs, government establishments, etc. Also includes unix-like general purpose distributions like Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, etc Ing. Ernesto Pérez Estévez http://www.NuestroServer.com/ USA: +1 305 359 4495 / España: +34 91 761 7884 Ecuador: +593 2 341 2402 / + 593 9 9246504 Mexico: +52 55 1163 8640 / Italia: +39 06 916504876 ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es La información contenida en esta transmisión es confidencial y no puede ser usada o difundida por personas distintas a su(s) destinatario(s). El uso no autorizado de la información contenida en este correo puede ser sancionado criminalmente de conformidad con la Ley Chilena. Si ha recibido un correo por error, por favor destrúyalo y notifique al remitente. El Departamento de Informática del Ministerio de Educación le recomienda, para el buen desempeño de su correo, lo siguiente: - Revise su correo diariamente - Pida confirmación de los correos que envía - Oriéntese de las buenas practicas en el uso del correo ___ CentOS-es mailing list CentOS-es@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-es
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
Fajar Priyanto wrote: Hi all, My only encounter with tape-backup was with Windows 2000. With it, when we backup things using windows' backup tool, it will create a 'catalog', then the catalog contains all the backup operations we do based on date. So, with this we can append many backups into one tape. Next time we want to restore a backup, we can choose what date available in that particular tape. I have zero experience with tape on Linux. I've been googling around and it seems that the backup operation is very different. For example: - The tape is 400GB (LTO-3) - The data is only 10GB Some of the articles I read imply that 1 tape contains 1 backup-file only. CMIIW. This is certainly not very efficient. The commands used are: mt, either tar, cpio. ... I recommend buying some commercial tape backup software.. freeware for tape is woefully poor. common packages include... Legato (from EMC) Symantec Backup Exec and its big brother NetBackup Tivoli StorageManager (from IBM) HP DataProtector Express (hoary, but quite robust and cheaper than the above) and there's a bunch of smaller players, like NovaStor, Yosemite, etc the big ugly with all of these is the tape formats and catalogs are generally NOT interchangable. btw, I would think twice about keeping 40 daily backups on the same tape, thats a lot of eggs in one basket. LTO /is/ quite reliable, but still... ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
I found Amanda rather complex for what we wanted to do (simple backup of a single server to a single tape drive). We eventually decided on BRU (www.tolisgroup.com). It's not free, but the simple 'workstation' version isn't very expensive. Their support staff are really helpful as well. Free download for trial if you wish. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
On Thursday May 15 2008, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 15 May 2008 07:34, John R Pierce wrote: I recommend buying some commercial tape backup software.. freeware for tape is woefully poor. Not so. Take a look at Amanda. Runs under linux, can handle backup for whole network (multiple domains, too, I think) and is utterly reliable. It can backup to disk, tape or whatever. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos I second the AMANDA recommendation if you are on a budget signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
On Thursday 15 May 2008 07:34, John R Pierce wrote: I recommend buying some commercial tape backup software.. freeware for tape is woefully poor. Not so. Take a look at Amanda. Runs under linux, can handle backup for whole network (multiple domains, too, I think) and is utterly reliable. It can backup to disk, tape or whatever. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 10:31:09 CentOS List wrote: No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don’t wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. Outlook can be forced into sorting based on header. Open the email then click on View Options. Pick out the List-ID header and create a rule based on it. Most of the lists I'm on will only make humor out of a posting by someone with an email address that coinsides with the list name. -Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Using Nagios in CentOS (It was Re: [CentOS] Somewhat OT: (Nagios))
2008/5/14 Thomas Harold [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Sergio Belkin wrote:
2008/5/13 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK, you won :) I'm going to test nagios. I am using centos 5.1
x86_64. Do I lose much if I use rpm from rpmforge (version 2.9)?
We're running version 2.11 at the office (on CentOS 5.1 x86_64). I've
looked at some of the things in 3.0, but there's nothing there that I needed
yet.
Hopefully you have some way to track changes in /etc/nagios (FSVS is what we
use), because it will make your life much easier to have an audit trail.
We created sub-folders under /etc/nagios to hold the various types of
entities. For example, we have:
/etc/nagios/commands
/etc/nagios/contacts
/etc/nagios/contactgroups
/etc/nagios/hosts-switches
/etc/nagios/hosts-dmz
/etc/nagios/hosts-servers
/etc/nagios/hosts-lan
/etc/nagios/templates-hosts
/etc/nagios/templates-services
We then broke individual elements out of the default massive configuration
folder into individual .cfg files. For example, we chose to create
individual files for each contact rather the putting them all in a single
file. So far it works well, it's a lot easier to get a feel for what users
have been defined, what hosts are defined, what the templates are. Because
when I look in templates-services, I see from the directory listing that I
have service templates named X, Y and Z (without having to open up the file
to look).
We currently put service checks for individual hosts in the same
configuration file as the host. So you will have the following definitions
in a typical host file (until you get into templating):
define host{
define hostextinfo{
define service{
define service{
...
Any plugins that we wrote ourself, we put under a separate folder. Which
keeps them separate from
/usr/local/lib64/nagios-plugins/
Basically, start small, track your changes, and plan on refactoring it in
week #2 after you start monitoring about a dozen hosts. Stay away from
advanced things like escalation, monitoring things like disk space on remote
servers, or the like until you get the basics working.
Oh, and SELinux will probably get in your way. So you'll need to play with
audit2allow to create supplemental policy to give Nagios additional
permissions. (Which may have been due to PEBKAC issues on my end - I plan
on going back and looking at labeling and figuring out what I mislabeled.)
I think that's the majority of the issues that we dealt with in the past 2
weeks. We're now in fine-tuning mode and getting ready to start monitoring
remote services next week.
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Really, thanks all for your experiences. Bear in mind that what I want
to do is (mainly) monitor network switches, and get data and charts
of them. I hope I can do that.
Keep in touch
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[CentOS] Best Motherboard
To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
I guess your Gigabyte is a desktop one Well, in production I used to use Intel server and workstation boards. Not the best but more cooperative than most manifacturers with kernel team I guess. Currently I am testing some AMD stuff... On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Ryan Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:31 AM, CentOS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don't wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. There are much easier ways of managing mailing list postings than using separate email addresses. Especially with Gmail - you can use filters and labels for that very purpose. You wouldn't walk into a shop covered head to toe in black with a mask, do your transaction, walk out, put another mask on, and then go into another shop. But it's your choice of course.. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.mindthegapps.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6
Send CentOS-announce mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of CentOS-announce digest... Today's Topics: 1. CESA-2008:0270 Important CentOS 3 i386 libvorbis - security update (Tru Huynh) 2. CESA-2008:0270 Important CentOS 3 x86_64 libvorbis - security update (Tru Huynh) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:52:45 +0200 From: Tru Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2008:0270 Important CentOS 3 i386 libvorbis - security update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2008:0270 libvorbis security update for CentOS 3 i386: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0270.html The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to the mirrors: i386: updates/i386/RPMS/libvorbis-1.0-10.el3.i386.rpm updates/i386/RPMS/libvorbis-devel-1.0-10.el3.i386.rpm source: updates/SRPMS/libvorbis-1.0-10.el3.src.rpm You may update your CentOS-3 i386 installations by running the command: yum update libvorbis\* Tru -- Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance) http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xBEFA581B -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/attachments/20080514/41867acd/attachment-0001.bin -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 14:53:31 +0200 From: Tru Huynh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CentOS-announce] CESA-2008:0270 Important CentOS 3 x86_64 libvorbis - security update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii CentOS Errata and Security Advisory CESA-2008:0270 libvorbis security update for CentOS 3 x86_64: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2008-0270.html The following updated file has been uploaded and is currently syncing to the mirrors: x86_64: updates/x86_64/RPMS/libvorbis-1.0-10.el3.i386.rpm updates/x86_64/RPMS/libvorbis-1.0-10.el3.x86_64.rpm updates/x86_64/RPMS/libvorbis-devel-1.0-10.el3.x86_64.rpm source: updates/SRPMS/libvorbis-1.0-10.el3.src.rpm You may update your CentOS-3 x86_64 installations by running the command: yum update libvorbis\* Tru -- Tru Huynh (mirrors, CentOS-3 i386/x86_64 Package Maintenance) http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xBEFA581B -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/attachments/20080514/f490339f/attachment-0001.bin -- ___ CentOS-announce mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-announce End of CentOS-announce Digest, Vol 39, Issue 6 ** ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thursday 15 May 2008 12:50, Martyn Drake wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:31 AM, CentOS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don't wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. There are much easier ways of managing mailing list postings than using separate email addresses. Especially with Gmail - you can use filters and labels for that very purpose. You wouldn't walk into a shop covered head to toe in black with a mask, do your transaction, walk out, put another mask on, and then go into another shop. Labelling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an Outlook account, though. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Chris Clonch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the lists I'm on will only make humor out of a posting by someone with an email address that coinsides with the list name. Indeed - especially when the CentOS project decides to change it's name to SplungeOS. How silly would it be for somebody then to post as CentOS List? ;) Right - enough ribbing from me - SANs don't performance test themselves, you know. M. -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.mindthegapps.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OpenSSL/SSH Bug on Debian - Compromised key pairs
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Clint Dilks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this may seem off topic, but I thought for those of us who might have Debian users generating key pairs that they put on CentOS systems people should be aware that everybody who generated a public/private keypair or an SSL cert request on Debian or Ubuntu from 2006 on is vulnerable Yes, it is very important to follow up on this issue as soon as you can (now) to see if any of your keys or those of your users are affected. Additionally, it should be noted that in the case of *DSA* keys, this can even affect users who do have good keys but used them to communicate with a Debian server with the botched OpenSSL. An explanation of this problem is provided here: http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2008-05-14-17-21_some_maths.html Take care, Daniel ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OpenSSL/SSH Bug on Debian - Compromised key pairs
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Daniel de Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it is very important to follow up on this issue as soon as you can (now) to see if any of your keys or those of your users are affected. Additionally, it should be noted that in the case of *DSA* keys, this can even affect users who do have good keys but used them to communicate with a Debian server with the botched OpenSSL. Jikes, rereading this, this does not seem accurate at all. Let me just quote the advisory: Furthermore, all DSA keys ever used on affected Debian systems for signing or authentication purposes should be considered compromised; the Digital Signature Algorithm relies on a secret random value used during signature generation. Take care, Daniel ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Juan C. Valido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
Kevin Thorpe wrote: I found Amanda rather complex for what we wanted to do (simple backup of a single server to a single tape drive). We eventually decided on BRU (www.tolisgroup.com). It's not free, but the simple 'workstation' version isn't very expensive. Their support staff are really helpful as well. Free download for trial if you wish. Another commercial package which I've been *very* happy with is Arkeia. Not too costly (I'm on a legacy version, 5.3 - the Network Backup (ANB)) and I've been extremely happy. In fact, it was put to a real world test recently when one of my servers died hardand it passed with flying colors. Easy setup (rpm) and fast reindex and restores got up and running quickly. Just my .02. YMMV, -Ray ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: eth1 changed to __tmp78668633 in recent kernels
Am Donnerstag, den 15.05.2008, 14:06 +0200 schrieb henry ritzlmayr: Hi list, kernel-xen-2.6.18-53.1.14.el5 and kernel-xen-2.6.18-53.1.19.el5 do not detect/initialize/whatever my eth1 network card any more. With kernel-xen-2.6.18-53.1.13.el5 everything is working as expected. With the two recent kernels I only get an Interface named __tmp786686833 which is not added to xenbr... lspci -v to the adapter in question says 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82572EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper) (rev 06) Subsystem: Intel Corporation PRO/1000 PT Desktop Adapter Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17 Memory at febe (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] Memory at febc (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=128K] I/O ports at ec00 [size=32] Expansion ROM at feba [disabled] [size=128K] Capabilities: [c8] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [d0] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable- Capabilities: [e0] Express Endpoint IRQ 0 ip link says 2: __tmp786686833: BROADCAST,MULTICAST mtu 1500 qdisc noop qlen 1000 link/ether 00:1b:21:0e:a9:3b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff In modprobe.conf I have alias eth1 e1000 for the adapter in question. The module itself is loaded. Any Ideas how to fix this? cheers Henry Update: Thanks to Christopher Isip from the xen-list. I found a solution for the problem. Disabling xend at runlevel 2. With this configuration every kernel works as expected. With xend enabled at runlevel 2 only the older kernel works as expected. Is this intended - did I miss something? cheers Henry ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
I would look at Tyan, Soyo, and Intel for middle of the road performance, but more over for dependability... I have also had very good luck with MSI, Asus... john plemons Ryan Nichols wrote: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Juan C. Valido [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org mailto:CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org mailto:CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1433 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 4:44 PM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: missing from Centos51 src tree: .../drivers/infiniband/hw/amso1100/Makefile
checking further for the Makefile in the latest git repo, git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/roland/infiniband.git for-linus , there's also no Makefile in the respective directory, ./for-linus/drivers/infiniband/hw/amso1100/ emailed the repo maintainer to ask, is this an omission? if not, where can i get the Makefile? and received, Reply There is a Kbuild file instead of a Makefile there. i'm not yet sure what to do with that ... but, i presume that the 'make' process should *not* look for the Makefile? or, is there an additonal step req'd? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
Anne Wilson wrote: Labelling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an Outlook account, though. outlook supports imap, doesn't it? I have my wife setup with Microsoft Windows Mail (Vista, fka outlook express) using imap on gmail, and it works /great/ she gets the best of both worlds, it maintains copies of her folders locally AND on the gmail server, and synchronizes each time she connects so that she can look up stuff in her email when she's offline. the imap 'folders' she creates in windows mail are in fact filters on gmail. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. there's an awful lot of different dual core processors. you said 'server' motherboard, to me that would be a Xeon or Opteron board that had server centric features like ECC memory, a remote management 'lights out' console accessible over the network, and multiple gigE network interfaces. it would probably have ATI 'rage' type minimal VGA onboard, and no audio at all. it likely would have SAS onboard (or SCSI if its an older design), or at least a lot of SATA channels setup for working with a SATA backplane. it would be designed to fit into a 1U/2U chassis, with support for a PCI/PCI-express riser card. it would have PCI-Express x4 and/or PCI-X I/O slots. this is a typical modern server board http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/boards/S5400SF/index.htm ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols Ryan, About 2 years ago, I build a server using a SuperMicro X6DA8-2 motherboard and it is a dual xeon processor machine with capabilities of 16G of DDR2 memory. It has dual gigabit ethernet ports, 6 usb 2.0 ports and a dual SATA controller as well as regular IDE bussmaster capabilities. I've been very happy with it, and at the time, it was not that expensive a board with the 2 cpu's on it. A couple months ago, I recased the thing back into a SuperMicro case that was optimized for that board and I wish now I'd done it when I first built it. One problem I had with it was the cpu cooler fans. The original ones were made by Intel, and they were noisy, terribly out of balance and downright bad. I replaced them with 4-pin PWM fans from SuperMicro and that machine is so quiet now, I have to feel of it to make sure it's running. The thing runs about 90 degrees operating and with the fans set up on the super quiet mode, it never even breaks a sweat. There is another version of the board that has a SCSI controller on board, but only one gigabit ethernet port. Everything else is pretty much the same. I highly recommend SuperMIcro boards and cases. Probably a bit more expensive than some of the others, but in a server, I want quality, so I pay for what I get. HTH Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
What about SuperMicro? I've never used one personally, but my employer had some servers built with SuperMicro and those things reliably chugged along for years, never had any problems. Paul -- Original message -- From: John Plemons [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would look at Tyan, Soyo, and Intel for middle of the road performance, but more over for dependability... I have also had very good luck with MSI, Asus... john plemons Ryan Nichols wrote: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Juan C. Valido [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org mailto:CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org mailto:CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1433 - Release Date: 5/14/2008 4:44 PM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Sam Drinkard wrote: Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols Ryan, About 2 years ago, I build a server using a SuperMicro X6DA8-2 motherboard and it is a dual xeon processor machine with capabilities of 16G of DDR2 memory. It has dual gigabit ethernet ports, 6 usb 2.0 ports and a dual SATA controller as well as regular IDE bussmaster capabilities. I've been very happy with it, and at the time, it was not that expensive a board with the 2 cpu's on it. A couple months ago, I recased the thing back into a SuperMicro case that was optimized for that board and I wish now I'd done it when I first built it. One problem I had with it was the cpu cooler fans. The original ones were made by Intel, and they were noisy, terribly out of balance and downright bad. I replaced them with 4-pin PWM fans from SuperMicro and that machine is so quiet now, I have to feel of it to make sure it's running. The thing runs about 90 degrees operating and with the fans set up on the super quiet mode, it never even breaks a sweat. There is another version of the board that has a SCSI controller on board, but only one gigabit ethernet port. Everything else is pretty much the same. I highly recommend SuperMIcro boards and cases. Probably a bit more expensive than some of the others, but in a server, I want quality, so I pay for what I get. HTH Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos What about Dell or HP server moderboards? -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers CEO, SoftDux Web: http://www.SoftDux.com Check out my technical blog, http://blog.softdux.com for Linux or other technical stuff, or visit http://www.WebHostingTalk.co.za for Web Hosting stuff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] Tape operation
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John R Pierce Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 11:34 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Tape operation Fajar Priyanto wrote: Hi all, My only encounter with tape-backup was with Windows 2000. With it, when we backup things using windows' backup tool, it will create a 'catalog', then the catalog contains all the backup operations we do based on date. So, with this we can append many backups into one tape. Next time we want to restore a backup, we can choose what date available in that particular tape. I have zero experience with tape on Linux. I've been googling around and it seems that the backup operation is very different. For example: - The tape is 400GB (LTO-3) - The data is only 10GB Some of the articles I read imply that 1 tape contains 1 backup-file only. CMIIW. This is certainly not very efficient. The commands used are: mt, either tar, cpio. ... I recommend buying some commercial tape backup software.. freeware for tape is woefully poor. common packages include... Legato (from EMC) Symantec Backup Exec and its big brother NetBackup Tivoli StorageManager (from IBM) HP DataProtector Express (hoary, but quite robust and cheaper than the above) and there's a bunch of smaller players, like NovaStor, Yosemite, etc the big ugly with all of these is the tape formats and catalogs are generally NOT interchangable. btw, I would think twice about keeping 40 daily backups on the same tape, thats a lot of eggs in one basket. LTO /is/ quite reliable, but still... I use Bacula on Centos 5.1. It's a dedicated backup server. P4-1.8/512m/36G drive/DDS4 tape drive. Backs up local files (backup catalogs, etc...) and network files just fine. Using DDS-4. It will control Autoloaders, according to the docs, but I don't have one yet. Spans tapes just fine (Manual changes...). I looked at amanda at the time, but there was some issues with Tape spanning, if I recall. I force it to my schedule, (full on Wednesday, diffs the rest of the week, new Volume each week.) but it's perfectly capable of taking care of itself once you set it up. I haven't used a Windows backup program in years, but Bacula is at least as capable as Backup Exec was last time I used it. 2003~ish, with an Exabyte LTO-2 library. Will back up windows Clients too, but I'm not doing that. I'm backing up files to a Samba Server, and that's what goes on tape. One thing I notice about Amanda/Zmanda, is they are now touting the ability to backup to Amazon's S3 I would have pursued it more at the time, if it was an option then. You can use BAT, Bacula console and the Gnome Bacula monitor in a GUI, if you want, or use the CLI I can't justify spending money for backup software, when Bacula and Amanda work as well as they do. Dennis ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: Using Nagios in CentOS (It was Re: [CentOS] Somewhat OT: (Nagios))
Really, thanks all for your experiences. Bear in mind that what I want to do is (mainly) monitor network switches, and get data and charts of them. I hope I can do that. Keep in touch -- Hi, I have a problem with check_snmp plugin, it outputs: [1210863277] SERVICE ALERT: sw1;Uptime;UNKNOWN;SOFT;1;SNMP problem - No data received from host I've tried to run on command-line /usr/lib64/nagios/plugins/check_snmp -H 10.1.0.3 -o .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 -C p -m -P 2c SNMP problem - No data received from host CMD: /usr/bin/snmpget -t 1 -r 5 -m -v 2c [authpriv] 10.1.0.3:161 .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3.0 snmp packages are installed -- -- Open Kairos http://www.openkairos.com Watch More TV http://sebelk.blogspot.com Sergio Belkin - ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
I guess one question is, what is your budget?? Makes a big difference in the quality that you get... john Rudi Ahlers wrote: Sam Drinkard wrote: Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols Ryan, About 2 years ago, I build a server using a SuperMicro X6DA8-2 motherboard and it is a dual xeon processor machine with capabilities of 16G of DDR2 memory. It has dual gigabit ethernet ports, 6 usb 2.0 ports and a dual SATA controller as well as regular IDE bussmaster capabilities. I've been very happy with it, and at the time, it was not that expensive a board with the 2 cpu's on it. A couple months ago, I recased the thing back into a SuperMicro case that was optimized for that board and I wish now I'd done it when I first built it. One problem I had with it was the cpu cooler fans. The original ones were made by Intel, and they were noisy, terribly out of balance and downright bad. I replaced them with 4-pin PWM fans from SuperMicro and that machine is so quiet now, I have to feel of it to make sure it's running. The thing runs about 90 degrees operating and with the fans set up on the super quiet mode, it never even breaks a sweat. There is another version of the board that has a SCSI controller on board, but only one gigabit ethernet port. Everything else is pretty much the same. I highly recommend SuperMIcro boards and cases. Probably a bit more expensive than some of the others, but in a server, I want quality, so I pay for what I get. HTH Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos What about Dell or HP server moderboards? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] php-pear - required files - which rpm
Hi I am tying to install a php based application but the error i recieve is Failed opening required 'HTML/Template/IT.php' This is something to do with pear from what i can tell but i do have php-pear installed. The file IT.php is not on my system but does anyone know what rpm this would come from? thanks ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Karanbir Singh wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: What about Dell or HP server moderboards? Dell - only use when you cant really afford anything else. HP - good stuff, hangs around forever and they usually have good functional support people. IBM - good stuff, but depending on the vendor you get, support is a bit of a lottery. for homebrew kit - Tyan has some good kit, cluefull support guys ( you can normally get all the way down to the BIOS development team to work out issues if you need it ). SuperMicro used to be good, they seem to suffer from massive quality issues these days ever since they started getting into the commodity markets. Just my 2bits - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos SuperMicro isn't really available in our country, and everone uses either Dell or HP. I prefer Gigabyte, and have never had any problems with it on the entry level server side. For dual CPU systems I use Intel with good results as well -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers CEO, SoftDux Web: http://www.SoftDux.com Check out my technical blog, http://blog.softdux.com for Linux or other technical stuff, or visit http://www.WebHostingTalk.co.za for Web Hosting stuff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
John Plemons wrote: I guess one question is, what is your budget?? Makes a big difference in the quality that you get... dude, what with the emails with dozens of blank links and top posts and uncroped quotes ? It would be nice if you made the effort. Specially since you are using a MUA that makes such things trivial. - KB ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Nichols Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:35 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. Hmm I have this one too. It's definitely a desktop board. I have it in use as my desktop since December. No issues at all. Overclocked a little. E4500/4G DDR2/ 3 drives, 1-XP, 1-Fedora 8, 1-Centos 5.1 It's been on continuously since it was built. Have you considered that a 100 percent failure rate may indicate it's NOT the Motherboard, but some other component/condition. Is it getting to hot, power fluctuations, etc... Looking at Newegg's reviews, it has a 5 egg rating with 1248 reviews. There are some bad reviews too, so anything is possible. What does Gigabyte support say? If you bought 10 at the same time and got part of a bad batch, I would think they would help you out. These have Not been out a long time. It might still be under some kind of warranty. Dennis attachment: winmail.dat___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not so. Take a look at Amanda. Runs under linux, can handle backup for whole network (multiple domains, too, I think) and is utterly reliable. It can backup to disk, tape or whatever. I third the Amanda vote. But also Arkeia is pretty good too. Amanda isn't that difficult to get one's head around, and Arkeia (at least when I last used it several years ago) was pretty much all point-and-click. Regards, Martyn -- Martyn Drake http://www.drake.org.uk http://www.mindthegapps.com ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
Martyn Drake wrote: snip Arkeia (at least when I last used it several years ago) was pretty much all point-and-click. Regards, Martyn And therein lies one of the downfalls of Arkeia. Its ease of use requires X. I don't generally enable X on servers, but as this particular network is entirely off-internet, there was no compelling reason to go CLI only. -Ray ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Well, I guess everyone's experience is different, I've got 2 GA-P35-DS3 with Core 2 duos and a GA-MA770-GS3 with a Phenom 9600 and I love them. I've never had a problem with a Gigabyte Motherboard. Some people love Asus and I've had several go bad on me, you figure. On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 07:35 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Juan C. Valido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OpenSSL/SSH Bug on Debian - Compromised key pairs
Daniel de Kok wrote: Furthermore, all DSA keys ever used on affected Debian systems for signing or authentication purposes should be considered compromised; the Digital Signature Algorithm relies on a secret random value used during signature generation. Take care, Daniel SANS have more on this today and will likely continue to update the story as new developments emerge: http://isc.sans.org/ To summarise, scripts that allow brute-forcing of keys are already in the wild - expect to see an upturn in activity on port 22 as a result. Further, for SSL secured websites, if the public key is known, no brute-forcing is even necessary. Ned ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OpenSSL/SSH Bug on Debian - Compromised key pairs
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Daniel de Kok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jikes, rereading this, this does not seem accurate at all. Let me just quote the advisory: Furthermore, all DSA keys ever used on affected Debian systems for signing or authentication purposes should be considered compromised; the Digital Signature Algorithm relies on a secret random value used during signature generation. That made perfect sense to me: If all the compromised systems used the same (unrandomized) seed for the values of k, it would not be too difficult for the determined cracker to break keys given enough CPU power and an algorithm that could generate the exact same series of k values (i.e., use the same random number generator, all of which are NOT random if you know the seed). All they need is one of the two algorithms in Steinar's note, and goodbye security! In theory, this same approach could be used to break any SSL keys, but guessing the appropriate k value is roughly 2^128 times more difficult (which is the whole point). mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:56 AM, John R Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: outlook supports imap, doesn't it? I have my wife setup with Microsoft Windows Mail (Vista, fka outlook express) using imap on gmail, and it works /great/ she gets the best of both worlds, it maintains copies of her folders locally AND on the gmail server, and synchronizes each time she connects so that she can look up stuff in her email when she's offline. the imap 'folders' she creates in windows mail are in fact filters on gmail. OMG! Did I read this right? John, YOUR wife uses (random unflattering gagging noises inserted here) WINDOW$??? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I may not get anything else done today! /humor ! What, I left out the start tag? It's implicit here, isn't it??? ;^ mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Labeling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an Outlook account, though. Well, no, of course not, but if you're going to forward from a great email facility (like google/gmail) to anything else, you're kind of stuck with the recipient product's limitations. (Snub to Outlook, not you, Anne :-) Still, there are filters in Outlook if you like automatic sorting (I don't, but I don't like Outlook, either...). Also, it would be nice if all lists used good subject labeling the way the CentOS and yum lists do (and not, e.g., the rpmforge list, which uses users exactly the same way that OOo does, making them impossible to distinguish from the subject alone, or the gnome list which has no tags at all). Okay, I'm just rambling here. I don't sort my email until I pop it down from gmail into evolution, and then I sort it all by hand. It's a minor pain, but I only download what I've already read in gmail, so I already know that I want to save it and where by the time I see it in evolution. Yes, I'm weird. You didn't know that? ;^) mhr $0.02. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MHR wrote: | On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Labeling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an Outlook account, | though. | Also, it would be nice if all lists used good subject labeling the way | the CentOS and yum lists do (and not, e.g., the rpmforge list, which | uses users exactly the same way that OOo does, making them | impossible to distinguish from the subject alone, or the gnome list | which has no tags at all). | That's what procmail is for... # # Mail Scanner # :0 hfw * ^Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |sed -e 's/^Subject:/Subject: \[MailScanner\]/' - -- Milton Calnek BSc, A/Slt(Ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 306-717-8737 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFILHDWHgnbf2T2QqMRAs28AJ0XFIqISRzyCXxL06HYfjRNZU0u8gCff1Ba FGSskwHbIBlcgotcatqwCmk= =VCNC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: Top Posting
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 16:48 -0500, Doug Tucker wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 15:56 -0500, Scott Nelson wrote: On May 14, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Doug Tucker wrote: ...all but dead...I run a usenet server here, had 3 logins last month...user base is over 4000... I *think* Scott wrote: Usenet is almost dead but e-mail lists abound (you are using one). Same concepts. I know, but my point was, since we all use email to read email lists, let's get off the old usenet etiquette, and use email etiquette, which you will find yourself in the very minute minority that replies bottom post. Doug, you *still* are missing the point! The *rules* written in the days of Usenet are *still* applicable today. Why? Because the reason for their existence hasn't changed. Originally there was Usenet *groups* now there are email lists. What's the difference? The names. Bob -- Bob Taylor ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Tape operation
On Thursday 15 May 2008 15:57, Dennis McLeod wrote: Spans tapes just fine (Manual changes...). I looked at amanda at the time, but there was some issues with Tape spanning, if I recall. Tape spanning arrived in amanda about two years ago. Anne ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] A couple of CentOS 5.1 issues
Ross S. W. Walker wrote: Probably already answered, but kermit isn't open source. I think that depends on how schizophrenic you are about interpreting the definition of open source. ckermit is in the Centos4 repo and its license explicitly permits redistribution with free operating systems. -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] Tape operation
At my site we use LoneTar from Cactus International http://www.cactus.com/. It is commercial and does offer a trial to try it first also. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Thorpe Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:49 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] Tape operation I found Amanda rather complex for what we wanted to do (simple backup of a single server to a single tape drive). We eventually decided on BRU (www.tolisgroup.com). It's not free, but the simple 'workstation' version isn't very expensive. Their support staff are really helpful as well. Free download for trial if you wish. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Somewhat OT: (Nagios)
On Wed, 14 May 2008, Thomas Harold wrote: Oh, and SELinux will probably get in your way. There's an understatement. :-) Nagios needs to do so many things, that devising a decent policy for it is tear-your-hair-out hard. It's also a moving target if you, like me, want to add tests for every new host/service that goes into production. -- Paul Heinlein [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.madboa.com/ ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
Milton Calnek wrote: MHR wrote: | On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Labeling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an Outlook account, | though. | Also, it would be nice if all lists used good subject labeling the way | the CentOS and yum lists do (and not, e.g., the rpmforge list, which | uses users exactly the same way that OOo does, making them | impossible to distinguish from the subject alone, or the gnome list | which has no tags at all). | That's what procmail is for... # # Mail Scanner # :0 hfw * ^Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |sed -e 's/^Subject:/Subject: \[MailScanner\]/' What will that look like after someone uses it replies a few times on the same thread? -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Directory Compare
I need to verify some directories of backed up data versus restored data. What would you recommend as the type of comparison to do, and which tool would give the easiest/most usable output? Thanks! jlc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Directory Compare
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I need to verify some directories of backed up data versus restored data.
What would you recommend as the type of comparison to do, and which tool
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# fiff /path/to/dir1 /path/to/dir2
Regards,
Max
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RE: [CentOS] Directory Compare
# fiff /path/to/dir1 /path/to/dir2 Regards, Max diff? Yeah, that's what I am about to run. Just thought their might be something it might miss in that scenario. Thanks for the confirmation! jlc ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Les Mikesell wrote: | Milton Calnek wrote: | | | MHR wrote: | | On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:03 AM, Anne Wilson | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Labeling in gmail doesn't help if you are forwarding to an | Outlook account, | | though. | | | Also, it would be nice if all lists used good subject labeling the way | | the CentOS and yum lists do (and not, e.g., the rpmforge list, which | | uses users exactly the same way that OOo does, making them | | impossible to distinguish from the subject alone, or the gnome list | | which has no tags at all). | | | That's what procmail is for... | | # | # Mail Scanner | # | :0 hfw | * ^Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |sed -e 's/^Subject:/Subject: \[MailScanner\]/' | | | What will that look like after someone uses it replies a few times on | the same thread? Good point. I guess other subscribers don't do it that way, else I'd have noticed it. Maybe sed -re 's/^Subject: (^\[MailScanner\])/Subject: \[MailScanner\]/' The ^ and the ( may need to be reversed... I'm not sure. | - -- Milton Calnek BSc, A/Slt(Ret.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 306-717-8737 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFILIvRHgnbf2T2QqMRAqRMAKC+D2ntHMew/JoPQ1sIjJp4h6yipACfZmX3 ViSAmnUQn/1ba8znJeTvBFg= =o/4P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Directory Compare
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diff? Yeah, that's what I am about to run. Just thought their might be
something it might miss in that scenario. Thanks for the confirmation!
Oops, yeah diff not fiff. I need typing lessons today!
Max
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Re: [CentOS] Directory Compare
Joseph L. Casale wrote: I need to verify some directories of backed up data versus restored data. What would you recommend as the type of comparison to do, and which tool would give the easiest/most usable output? Diff works if they are on the same machine. On different machines you can: rsync -avn -essh local-dir [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/path/above_dir The -a option says to recurse and take all possible attributes, -v says show the file names, and -n says don't actually do it (be careful not to omit that..). This will give you a list of filenames that have some difference between local_dir and the remote copy. If you add a --delete it will also show anything that exists in the remote but not the local side (and be especially careful not to omit the -n in this case). -- Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Juan C. Valido wrote: Well, I guess everyone's experience is different, I've got 2 GA-P35-DS3 with Core 2 duos and a GA-MA770-GS3 with a Phenom 9600 and I love them. I've never had a problem with a Gigabyte Motherboard. Some people love Asus and I've had several go bad on me, you figure. On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 07:35 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Juan C. Valido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I like Gigabyte motherboards a lot, the GA-P35-DS3L I use with Core 2 Duo (Quad) and DDR2. I though I was going to do better with the Intel DP35DP and guess what, I like the the Gigabyte Better (personally). On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 06:43 -0500, Ryan Nichols wrote: To all.. I was using a Gigabyte motherboard, and the board seems like a bad choice. What do you guys recommend for a decent server board that would use a Dual Core processor and DDR2 ram. I dont want to replace the CPU and Mem i already have, just find a decent board that supportsthe existing.. Thanks, Ryan Nichols I've been running a Gigabyte P35-DS4 with Intel Quad Core and 4GB ram for nearly a year and it's been solid as a rock with CentOS. The disk subsystem is well supported in AHCI mode, and decent drivers are now available for the onboard nic (there's a dkms-enabled driver in RPMForge). Being a server, I've not tested other onboard features such as sound etc. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. Ned ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] yum problem after last kernel
Hello all, I've been googling and haven't found an answer. I have a Centos 4.6 box that is having an issue since the last yum update. The nss_ldap and kernel packages were the only packages installed/updated. When I try to run yum I now receive: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum update There was a problem importing one of the Python modules required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was: /usr/lib/librpmdb-4.3.so: undefined symbol: xdr___db_get_name_reply[rpmdb Please install a package which provides this module, or verify that the module is installed correctly. It's possible that the above module doesn't match the current version of Python, which is: 2.3.4 (#1, Dec 11 2007, 05:27:57) [GCC 3.4.6 20060404 (Red Hat 3.4.6-9)] If you cannot solve this problem yourself, please go to the yum faq at: http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpm -qi rpm-libs Name: rpm-libs Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 4.3.3 Vendor: CentOS Release : 23_nonptl Build Date: Sat 17 Nov 2007 06:13:56 AM CST Install Date: Mon 07 Jan 2008 11:57:33 AM CST Build Host: builder6 Group : Development/Libraries Source RPM: rpm-4.3.3-23_nonptl.src.rpm Size: 1739984 License: GPL Signature : DSA/SHA1, Sun 18 Nov 2007 02:55:20 PM CST, Key ID a53d0bab443e1821 Summary : Libraries for manipulating RPM packages. Description : This package contains the RPM shared libraries. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpm -Vv rpm-libs /usr/lib/librpm-4.3.so /usr/lib/librpmbuild-4.3.so prelink: /usr/lib/librpmdb-4.3.so: prelinked file was modified S.?./usr/lib/librpmdb-4.3.so /usr/lib/librpmio-4.3.so Anyone have an idea? Alex ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Replacing Qpopper with Dovecot
I currently have a Centos server with Sendmail and Qpopper supporting about 50 mail users. I am planning to replace Qpopper with Dovecot to allow some users to have IMAP access to their mail (others will still use POP3.) Is there anything special to be aware of in setting up this migration? Thanks for your comments. Gerald ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Directory Compare
On 05/15/2008 08:51 PM, Joseph L. Casale wrote: I need to verify some directories of backed up data versus restored data. What would you recommend as the type of comparison to do, and which tool would give the easiest/most usable output? You might look at mc (Norton Commander clone) Sorry for Debian package description - have here, at home, only Debian $ aptitude show mc [...] Description: midnight commander - a powerful file manager GNU Midnight Commander is a text-mode full-screen file manager. It uses a two panel interface and a subshell for command execution. It includes an internal editor with syntax highlighting and an internal viewer with support for binary files. Also included is Virtual Filesystem (VFS), that allows files on remote systems (e.g. FTP, SSH, SMB servers) and files inside archives to be manipulated like real files. Thanks! jlc cheers Simon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. cheers Simon ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Yes, it's definitely cheaper. I find that the CPU's, RAM HDD's are almost twice the price from Dell, than from a supplier who imports directly. Dell's motherboards are also more expensive, although their chassis are more or less the same price -- Kind Regards Rudi Ahlers CEO, SoftDux Web: http://www.SoftDux.com Check out my technical blog, http://blog.softdux.com for Linux or other technical stuff, or visit http://www.WebHostingTalk.co.za for Web Hosting stuff ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] tar spanning
On 05/15/2008 05:27 AM, Nick Fenwick wrote: For what it's worth, I usually use rar for this task, because I can figure out the command line in about 10 seconds by running 'rar' with no arguments and check the help output, and they confuse my Windows-y friends less if I need to pass them around. Install rar from rpmforge. I admit RAR is a file archiver that archives with very high compression ratios and is very popular in windows world. But is proprietary software (not Open Source). I recommend you using 7zip[0] currently leader in high compression on unix-like systems. To split a directory of files into roughly 700Mb bits: rar a -v70k rarname_to_create.rar dir_of_files 7za a -v700m rarname_to_create.rar dir_of_files Pre-packaged RPM is available at RPMforge[1] I recently wanted to split a large .iso of already highly compressed data into chunks that would fit on a FAT32 filesystem, so this is with no compression: rar a -v70k -m0 rarname_to_create.rar dir_of_files I just noticed that Fajar beat me to quoting google hits relating to 'tar | split' so I'll hold off doing the same :) Nick cheers Simon [0] http://www.7-zip.org/ [1] http://rpmforge.net/user/packages/p7zip/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. Well, there is always the category of home servers... in my case, these are usually handmedown PCs, old, too slow to be a modern desktop, but perfectly usefull as firewalls, DNS/mail/web servers, etc. My current home server is a 10 year old P2 450Mhz rock solid board. But, I'd never use something like this in a business where its mission critical. I, for one (an opinionated one at that:D) do NOT recommend homebrewing proper rackmount servers from raw parts... storage integration issues alone can break a project like that. there's a middle ground... folks like Intel and Tyan make 'server bases', or kit servers, which comes with the rack chassis, hotswap backplanes, disk drive trays, mainboard and power supply, you just supply the CPUs, RAM, disk drives, and any extra cards you need. 6 or so years ago I built up and deployed a pair of Intel SE7501WV2 2U kits in my development lab at work, with dual xeon 2.8ghz and 3GB ram. these machines have run flawlessly running RHEL/CentOS. My department had no capital budget, and we could get these kit servers on 'expense' money, then populate them with our 'misc' budget.fully configured these were way under 1/2 what we'd have paid for a comparable HP or Dell. This would be the equivalent system with today's chipset and CPUs, http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm (the SR2500AL). The SKU SR2500ALLXR (2U, mobo, 1 of 2 PSUs, and 5 x SATA/SAS 3.5 hotswap backplane) goes for $1300-1600 street prices (wow, just about what I paid for the SE7501WV2 6 years ago! hmmm, when I bought mine, the slimline CD was standard, now its optional, oh well) these Intel server kits are even setup so you can 'brand' them for VAR applications, they have downloads that let you put your own name on the BIOS startup and so forth. In fact, the SE7501 2U servers I have were branded by Sun when they initially reentered the x86 server market, as the SunFire V65x What you get with a brand name server (HP, Dell, etc) is a warranty and onsite support.This is critical to some deployments and sites, and fairly superfluous to others. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
If interested, I have some new IBM's still under warranty, a couple of New Dells, and one or two new HP's john John R Pierce wrote: Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. Well, there is always the category of home servers... in my case, these are usually handmedown PCs, old, too slow to be a modern desktop, but perfectly usefull as firewalls, DNS/mail/web servers, etc. My current home server is a 10 year old P2 450Mhz rock solid board. But, I'd never use something like this in a business where its mission critical. I, for one (an opinionated one at that:D) do NOT recommend homebrewing proper rackmount servers from raw parts... storage integration issues alone can break a project like that. there's a middle ground... folks like Intel and Tyan make 'server bases', or kit servers, which comes with the rack chassis, hotswap backplanes, disk drive trays, mainboard and power supply, you just supply the CPUs, RAM, disk drives, and any extra cards you need. 6 or so years ago I built up and deployed a pair of Intel SE7501WV2 2U kits in my development lab at work, with dual xeon 2.8ghz and 3GB ram. these machines have run flawlessly running RHEL/CentOS. My department had no capital budget, and we could get these kit servers on 'expense' money, then populate them with our 'misc' budget. fully configured these were way under 1/2 what we'd have paid for a comparable HP or Dell. This would be the equivalent system with today's chipset and CPUs, http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm (the SR2500AL). The SKU SR2500ALLXR (2U, mobo, 1 of 2 PSUs, and 5 x SATA/SAS 3.5 hotswap backplane) goes for $1300-1600 street prices (wow, just about what I paid for the SE7501WV2 6 years ago! hmmm, when I bought mine, the slimline CD was standard, now its optional, oh well) these Intel server kits are even setup so you can 'brand' them for VAR applications, they have downloads that let you put your own name on the BIOS startup and so forth. In fact, the SE7501 2U servers I have were branded by Sun when they initially reentered the x86 server market, as the SunFire V65x What you get with a brand name server (HP, Dell, etc) is a warranty and onsite support.This is critical to some deployments and sites, and fairly superfluous to others. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Oh and for the rest of you to think about, a Tyan system, with 8 dual core CPU's, and 128 gig of Ram... Also New... John John R Pierce wrote: Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. Well, there is always the category of home servers... in my case, these are usually handmedown PCs, old, too slow to be a modern desktop, but perfectly usefull as firewalls, DNS/mail/web servers, etc. My current home server is a 10 year old P2 450Mhz rock solid board. But, I'd never use something like this in a business where its mission critical. I, for one (an opinionated one at that:D) do NOT recommend homebrewing proper rackmount servers from raw parts... storage integration issues alone can break a project like that. there's a middle ground... folks like Intel and Tyan make 'server bases', or kit servers, which comes with the rack chassis, hotswap backplanes, disk drive trays, mainboard and power supply, you just supply the CPUs, RAM, disk drives, and any extra cards you need. 6 or so years ago I built up and deployed a pair of Intel SE7501WV2 2U kits in my development lab at work, with dual xeon 2.8ghz and 3GB ram. these machines have run flawlessly running RHEL/CentOS. My department had no capital budget, and we could get these kit servers on 'expense' money, then populate them with our 'misc' budget. fully configured these were way under 1/2 what we'd have paid for a comparable HP or Dell. This would be the equivalent system with today's chipset and CPUs, http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm (the SR2500AL). The SKU SR2500ALLXR (2U, mobo, 1 of 2 PSUs, and 5 x SATA/SAS 3.5 hotswap backplane) goes for $1300-1600 street prices (wow, just about what I paid for the SE7501WV2 6 years ago! hmmm, when I bought mine, the slimline CD was standard, now its optional, oh well) these Intel server kits are even setup so you can 'brand' them for VAR applications, they have downloads that let you put your own name on the BIOS startup and so forth. In fact, the SE7501 2U servers I have were branded by Sun when they initially reentered the x86 server market, as the SunFire V65x What you get with a brand name server (HP, Dell, etc) is a warranty and onsite support.This is critical to some deployments and sites, and fairly superfluous to others. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1434 - Release Date: 5/15/2008 7:24 AM ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ntpd date sync before service startup
David Hláčik wrote: Hello, in system-config-date i have checkbox synchronize date before service startup. Which config switch,file does it affect? I want to turn it on on my CentOS machine without xauth , just editing config files , i was hoping it could be in /etc/sysconfig/ntpd but no. ok ... I do not see exactly where, but it seems that somewhere a -x switch is set and the file /etc/ntp/step-tickers gets the server name to sync from. I do no see a -x switch anywhere though signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ntpd date sync before service startup
Hello, in system-config-date i have checkbox synchronize date before service startup. Which config switch,file does it affect? I want to turn it on on my CentOS machine without xauth , just editing config files , i was hoping it could be in /etc/sysconfig/ntpd but no. ok ... I do not see exactly where, but it seems that somewhere a -x switch is set and the file /etc/ntp/step-tickers gets the server name to sync from. I do no see a -x switch anywhere though the -x switch is part of the init script. it isn't actually handled by ntpd. the init script will use step-tickers if it has entries, or pull the server lines from ntp.conf, and then invoke ntpdate with the list it figures out. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: tar spanning
on 5-14-2008 7:31 PM CentOS List spake the following: snip People are so afraid that someone will be able to identify them through newsgroup postings or harvest their address for spam. So what if someone googles my name and finds out I help people on a few lists! Makes me look real bad, doesn't it? No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don’t wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. Thanks Much easier to use one box and sort message by their source. Or read them through gmane with a newsreader. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: tar spanning
on 5-14-2008 7:31 PM CentOS List spake the following: snip People are so afraid that someone will be able to identify them through newsgroup postings or harvest their address for spam. So what if someone googles my name and finds out I help people on a few lists! Makes me look real bad, doesn't it? No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don’t wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. Thanks And one more thing to think about... Saying stop picking on me usually gets the opposite effect. ;-P -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: tar spanning
on 5-15-2008 10:06 AM MHR spake the following: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:56 AM, John R Pierce pierce-BRp9yk6zKL1Wk0Htik3J/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: outlook supports imap, doesn't it? I have my wife setup with Microsoft Windows Mail (Vista, fka outlook express) using imap on gmail, and it works /great/ she gets the best of both worlds, it maintains copies of her folders locally AND on the gmail server, and synchronizes each time she connects so that she can look up stuff in her email when she's offline. the imap 'folders' she creates in windows mail are in fact filters on gmail. OMG! Did I read this right? John, YOUR wife uses (random unflattering gagging noises inserted here) WINDOW$??? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I may not get anything else done today! /humor ! What, I left out the start tag? It's implicit here, isn't it??? ;^ mhr Is it still funny if you have unmatched tags? -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: tar spanning
on 5-15-2008 1:31 PM Simon Jolle sjolle spake the following: On 05/15/2008 05:27 AM, Nick Fenwick wrote: For what it's worth, I usually use rar for this task, because I can figure out the command line in about 10 seconds by running 'rar' with no arguments and check the help output, and they confuse my Windows-y friends less if I need to pass them around. Install rar from rpmforge. I admit RAR is a file archiver that archives with very high compression ratios and is very popular in windows world. But is proprietary software (not Open Source). I recommend you using 7zip[0] currently leader in high compression on unix-like systems. To split a directory of files into roughly 700Mb bits: rar a -v70k rarname_to_create.rar dir_of_files 7za a -v700m rarname_to_create.rar dir_of_files Pre-packaged RPM is available at RPMforge[1] You just can't beat one thing about tar and gzip on unix like systems -- they all come with it from the factory. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Scott Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5-15-2008 10:06 AM MHR spake the following: OMG! Did I read this right? John, YOUR wife uses (random unflattering gagging noises inserted here) WINDOW$??? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I may not get anything else done today! /humor ! What, I left out the start tag? It's implicit here, isn't it??? ;^ Is it still funny if you have unmatched tags? I don't know what you're talking about Funny is in the ear of the taster. mhr (For the humor impaired: Yes, that was supposed to be funny, too Heh, heh, heh ;^) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
Scott Silva wrote: on 5-15-2008 10:06 AM MHR spake the following: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:56 AM, John R Pierce pierce-BRp9yk6zKL1Wk0Htik3J/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: outlook supports imap, doesn't it? I have my wife setup with Microsoft Windows Mail (Vista, fka outlook express) using imap on gmail, and it works /great/ she gets the best of both worlds, it maintains copies of her folders locally AND on the gmail server, and synchronizes each time she connects so that she can look up stuff in her email when she's offline. the imap 'folders' she creates in windows mail are in fact filters on gmail. OMG! Did I read this right? John, YOUR wife uses (random unflattering gagging noises inserted here) WINDOW$??? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you! I may not get anything else done today! /humor ! What, I left out the start tag? It's implicit here, isn't it??? ;^ mhr Is it still funny if you have unmatched tags? It seems that after all those years of Outlook problems, some are just into extreme sports and up to the challenge of keeping their machine stable with this emphasis CRAP /emphasis !!! Not to mention that crapware coming from Redmond breaks standards and gives headaches to many support people like me... But hey, we're (support people) supposed to get profit from that, that's Redmond's business model... It's just that i fell bad when i abuse people, Redmond has no problem with that whatsoever ! Anyway, NOMB but i'm shocked too! I wish great luck to your wife, she's very courageous ! Living in those both worlds is just to dangerous for me! Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. cheers Simon Basically, I built it because I wanted certain components in/on the system and could not get it configured that way from any vendor. I've built every PC I've ever owned. I select components based on the type of use they would get, and the applications they are going to run. As for price, sometimes cheaper, sometimes more expensive depending on what you put in it, but in the end, when it all comes together, you have something to be proud of because you built it yourself. Sam ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] ntpd date sync before service startup
David Hláčik wrote: Hello, in system-config-date i have checkbox synchronize date before service startup. Which config switch,file does it affect? I want to turn it on on my CentOS machine without xauth , just editing config files , i was hoping it could be in /etc/sysconfig/ntpd but no. most likely, the system-config util is setting that option in /etc/sysconfig/ntpd which by default reads... # Drop root to id 'ntp:ntp' by default. OPTIONS=-u ntp:ntp -p /var/run/ntpd.pid # Set to 'yes' to sync hw clock after successful ntpdate SYNC_HWCLOCK=no # Additional options for ntpdate NTPDATE_OPTIONS= if -x is /not/ set in OPTIONS, it calls /usr/sbin/ntpdate with various parameters, this hard sets the system time to the NTP server time. if -x /is/ set, it does the time step thing if SYNC_HWCLOCK=yes, then it invokes sync_hwclock in the /etc/init.d/ntpd script, which in turn runs /sbin/hwclock with various options as specified. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 15:26 -0700, Scott Silva wrote: on 5-14-2008 7:31 PM CentOS List spake the following: snip snip No. I am on a few lists and each list with a different email address so that I can sort them out correctly. If you people don’t wish to help out, its fine, just ignore my mails. It will be nice to stop making fun of me. Thanks And one more thing to think about... Saying stop picking on me usually gets the opposite effect. ;-P Hey ! Stop picking on *him*! ;-) snip -- Bill ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
Guy Boisvert wrote: It seems that after all those years of Outlook problems, some are just into extreme sports... actually, Outlook Express, and its follow-on Windows Mail, have been FAR more standards compliant than Outlook itself ever was or will be. Outlook Express was originally MS Internet Mail and News, aka MSIMN, which in fact was still the name of the executable last I looked. I've been using Mozilla Thunderbird this past couple years, and I've got a few complaints about it, too (mainly, switching from plaintext to html formatted or visa versa is an ugly process and doesn't handle the conversion at all well at edit time) ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 3:57 PM, William L. Maltby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey ! Stop picking on *him*! ;-) Yeah. After all, do you really want to pick on CetOS List? (All shades of meaning intended.) Pick on Bill for a change - when was the last time we did that? ;^) RBFG mhr ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Best Motherboard
on 5-15-2008 5:35 AM Ryan Nichols spake the following: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. I haven't had failures like that since the late 90's capacitor plague! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Best Motherboard
on 5-15-2008 4:17 PM Scott Silva spake the following: on 5-15-2008 5:35 AM Ryan Nichols spake the following: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. I haven't had failures like that since the late 90's capacitor plague! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague Thinking more about the 10 failures, I wonder if they were grey market boards that got re-sold instead of sent back for remanufacture. Some dealers can be less than reputable when margins get tight, and some are just plain bastards. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] Re: Replacing Qpopper with Dovecot
on 5-15-2008 12:59 PM Gerald Braun spake the following: I currently have a Centos server with Sendmail and Qpopper supporting about 50 mail users. I am planning to replace Qpopper with Dovecot to allow some users to have IMAP access to their mail (others will still use POP3.) Is there anything special to be aware of in setting up this migration? Thanks for your comments. Gerald I would recommend the dovecot list and the wiki (http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration). It doesn't specifically mention qpopper, but the list might be able to help you further. -- MailScanner is like deodorant... You hope everybody uses it, and you notice quickly if they don't signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
John R Pierce wrote: Simon Jolle sjolle wrote: On 05/15/2008 04:24 PM, Sam Drinkard wrote: About 2 years ago, I build a server [...] What are the advantages of building your own server comparing with products from HP, Dell and IBM? Is it cheaper? I never heard of DIY server hardware market. Well, there is always the category of home servers... in my case, these are usually handmedown PCs, old, too slow to be a modern desktop, but perfectly usefull as firewalls, DNS/mail/web servers, etc. My current home server is a 10 year old P2 450Mhz rock solid board. But, I'd never use something like this in a business where its mission critical. I, for one (an opinionated one at that:D) do NOT recommend homebrewing proper rackmount servers from raw parts... storage integration issues alone can break a project like that. there's a middle ground... folks like Intel and Tyan make 'server bases', or kit servers, which comes with the rack chassis, hotswap backplanes, disk drive trays, mainboard and power supply, you just supply the CPUs, RAM, disk drives, and any extra cards you need. 6 or so years ago I built up and deployed a pair of Intel SE7501WV2 2U kits in my development lab at work, with dual xeon 2.8ghz and 3GB ram. these machines have run flawlessly running RHEL/CentOS. My department had no capital budget, and we could get these kit servers on 'expense' money, then populate them with our 'misc' budget.fully configured these were way under 1/2 what we'd have paid for a comparable HP or Dell. This would be the equivalent system with today's chipset and CPUs, http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm (the SR2500AL). The SKU SR2500ALLXR (2U, mobo, 1 of 2 PSUs, and 5 x SATA/SAS 3.5 hotswap backplane) goes for $1300-1600 street prices (wow, just about what I paid for the SE7501WV2 6 years ago! hmmm, when I bought mine, the slimline CD was standard, now its optional, oh well) these Intel server kits are even setup so you can 'brand' them for VAR applications, they have downloads that let you put your own name on the BIOS startup and so forth. In fact, the SE7501 2U servers I have were branded by Sun when they initially reentered the x86 server market, as the SunFire V65x What you get with a brand name server (HP, Dell, etc) is a warranty and onsite support.This is critical to some deployments and sites, and fairly superfluous to others. The company i work for used to buy only Dell servers which aren't bad. Support is generally good and they even have a repository for Linux. Since i'm in charge, we don't buy Dell anymore for various reason: 1) They costs more than server barebone and in our case, we don't really need to pay a premium for a service we don't need. I prefer to have a couple of spare servers that i can do tests while not in production 2) Dell, as the others VARs, uses a lot of non standard hardware parts. So if you want to replace let's say a mainboard (when out of warranty), you'll have to pay a premium to get it. 3) Right now, we have about 5 Dell PowerEdge 2550 and they are not supported anymore by Dell (i know, it's old!). They don't have the admin tools for CentOS (and Upstream) and i think it's the same for other distributions. So support is good for the first years, after a while, they seem to drop it. So now, we buy Tyan barebone. The last batch was 2U Tyan Transport TA-26 (B3992-E). This model use a Broadcom Serverworks chipset, support Registered ECC DDR2 RAM up to 64 Gigs and has 2 sockets F for Opteron CPU. CentOS works great right out of the box (we use Adaptec 3405 or 3805 SAS/SATA controllers). The mainboard is standard E-ATX and can be upgraded or put on another machine. This model has 8 SAS/SATA hot swap backplane. The only downside is that sometimes, it takes time to get them. It's like Tyan has problem producing enough for market demand. I have a couple of other servers that i built with Antec rackmount chassis and the same mainboard. My advice: Go with VARs if you have special requirements and/or want premium service. Go with server barebones if you have access to hardware competent tech people inside your company. As for Intel or AMD for CPU, i buy 90% AMD because if they don't survive, just watch the prices skyrocket as Intel would be alone. AMD is selling at competitive price so no hurt here. The new line of low power Opteron are great IMHO. As a last note, i don't have any affiliation with Tyan and i think you could get comparable hardware from SuperMicro and the likes. Choose your hardware for Linux, not the opposite! Hope this helped a bit. Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: tar spanning
John R Pierce wrote: Guy Boisvert wrote: It seems that after all those years of Outlook problems, some are just into extreme sports... actually, Outlook Express, and its follow-on Windows Mail, have been FAR more standards compliant than Outlook itself ever was or will be. Outlook Express was originally MS Internet Mail and News, aka MSIMN, which in fact was still the name of the executable last I looked. I've been using Mozilla Thunderbird this past couple years, and I've got a few complaints about it, too (mainly, switching from plaintext to html formatted or visa versa is an ugly process and doesn't handle the conversion at all well at edit time) You have all my admiration to be extreme enough to deal with M$ stuff! I lost patience with them long time ago and i **HATE** the way they are always play dirty with standards. The current Outlook Express could be the best in the world, i wouldn't use it! I know, i shouldn't say that... It's just that i can't stand M$ way of doing things and i don't see them change in the next century! Well, sorry John for my rant, it came deep from my heart! And yes, Thunderbird is not perfect as 100% of the software on the planet! Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Guy Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only downside is that sometimes, it takes time to get them. It's like Tyan has problem producing enough for market demand. Actually from my understanding its sort of the 'opposite'. Market demand for white-box motherboards has gotten less over time as the 'cost' of selling them has gone up versus buying a finished built system from a VAR. So companies like Tyan etc make more money making the boards indirectly for VARs than they do from selling their own boards. Its sort of like the car engine companies of the 1900's. As time went on they made smaller and smaller batches of specialized engines because the companies they had sold them to either bought them up or just had them make large batches of Ford/GM/etc engines exclusively. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- BSD/GNU/Linux How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. The Merchant of Venice ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: Top Posting
Bob Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 16:48 -0500, Doug Tucker wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 15:56 -0500, Scott Nelson wrote: On May 14, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Doug Tucker wrote: ...all but dead...I run a usenet server here, had 3 logins last month...user base is over 4000... I *think* Scott wrote: Usenet is almost dead but e-mail lists abound (you are using one). Same concepts. I know, but my point was, since we all use email to read email lists, let's get off the old usenet etiquette, and use email etiquette, which you will find yourself in the very minute minority that replies bottom post. Doug, you *still* are missing the point! The *rules* written in the days of Usenet are *still* applicable today. Why? Because the reason for their existence hasn't changed. Originally there was Usenet *groups* now there are email lists. What's the difference? The names. Bob I second Bob on that! I do a lot of support and top posting is a *PITA*. It's like reading a book from bottom to top, right to left! It's doable but nor very confortable IMHO. I'm not saying i have absolute truth, just sharing the view of somebody that do tech support since 15 years. Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Guy Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only downside is that sometimes, it takes time to get them. It's like Tyan has problem producing enough for market demand. Actually from my understanding its sort of the 'opposite'. Market demand for white-box motherboards has gotten less over time as the 'cost' of selling them has gone up versus buying a finished built system from a VAR. So companies like Tyan etc make more money making the boards indirectly for VARs than they do from selling their own boards. Its sort of like the car engine companies of the 1900's. As time went on they made smaller and smaller batches of specialized engines because the companies they had sold them to either bought them up or just had them make large batches of Ford/GM/etc engines exclusively. Yeah, that's possible. They could have big contracts with VARs. I saw some Dell workstations with special models of Asus mainboards, which are not supported by Asus! You have to rely on the VARs for support. Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] php-pear - required files - which rpm
On Thursday 15 May 2008 22:03:06 Tom Brown wrote: I am tying to install a php based application but the error i recieve is Failed opening required 'HTML/Template/IT.php' This is something to do with pear from what i can tell but i do have php-pear installed. The file IT.php is not on my system but does anyone know what rpm this would come from? Hi Tom, We can install additional pear modules by CLI: 1. Make sure you're connected to the internet. 2. pear install -o modulename 3. To see all options available, just type: pear HTH, -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 07:26:35 up 29 min, 2.6.22-14-generic GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org The real challenge of teaching is getting your students motivated to learn. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
[CentOS] OT DNS Question
Hi Everyone, I am currently reviewing the DNS records for the organization I work for and have one area I would like other peoples thoughts on. Would there ever be a situation where you need to have multiple A records pointing to the same IP Address? Currently we have a small number of cases where one IP Address has multiple A Records. This seems like a bad idea to me and I would replace these records with cnames. But I am meeting resistance to this. As far as I can think right now if you have one correctly configured A record with a matching reverse entry and then use cnames there shouldn't be any cases where you must add a second A record. Or am I missing something ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT DNS Question
On May 15, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Clint Dilks wrote: I am currently reviewing the DNS records for the organization I work for and have one area I would like other peoples thoughts on. Would there ever be a situation where you need to have multiple A records pointing to the same IP Address? Currently we have a small number of cases where one IP Address has multiple A Records. This seems like a bad idea to me and I would replace these records with cnames. But I am meeting resistance to this. As far as I can think right now if you have one correctly configured A record with a matching reverse entry and then use cnames there shouldn't be any cases where you must add a second A record. Or am I missing something ? A shared web server is a good example of multiple As resolving to the same IP. CNAMEs require two dips into the DNS (one to get the CNAME, another to look up the IP), and so can be much slower if you are the victim of a slow resolver. --Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
RE: [CentOS] OT: Top Posting
Jumping in late here: I sincerely wish that this list was maintained on any of the quality bulletin board or Forum tools. It would reduce my eMail load, allow me to zoom in on just the issues of interest to me at the moment, and I can eMail those posts to myself that are relevant to my own needs for further editing and documentation. I find the entire USENET and eMail list thing utterly antediluvian, and wicked hard to use. Often, I can only barely remember that *maybe* something relevant was discussed months ago, but is now relevant to my current issue today. A forum is more practical as a tool for building a collective knowledge of the CentOS community. This eMail list just doesn't cut it for a knowledge base built up of our collective experience. Of course, for those of you who still prefer this medium, a forum can eMail you posts, just like you see them today. But people who would like to search for a solution from a year or so ago could search the central resource. --Carol Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guy Boisvert Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 5:03 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] OT: Top Posting Bob Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 16:48 -0500, Doug Tucker wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 15:56 -0500, Scott Nelson wrote: On May 14, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Doug Tucker wrote: ...all but dead...I run a usenet server here, had 3 logins last month...user base is over 4000... I *think* Scott wrote: Usenet is almost dead but e-mail lists abound (you are using one). Same concepts. I know, but my point was, since we all use email to read email lists, let's get off the old usenet etiquette, and use email etiquette, which you will find yourself in the very minute minority that replies bottom post. Doug, you *still* are missing the point! The *rules* written in the days of Usenet are *still* applicable today. Why? Because the reason for their existence hasn't changed. Originally there was Usenet *groups* now there are email lists. What's the difference? The names. Bob I second Bob on that! I do a lot of support and top posting is a *PITA*. It's like reading a book from bottom to top, right to left! It's doable but nor very confortable IMHO. I'm not saying i have absolute truth, just sharing the view of somebody that do tech support since 15 years. Guy Boisvert, ing. IngTegration inc. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT DNS Question
Hi, On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Chris Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CNAMEs require two dips into the DNS (one to get the CNAME, another to look up the IP), and so can be much slower if you are the victim of a slow resolver. Not true (AFAIR). If I remember correctly, if the information about the destination of the CNAME is on the same DNS server (either because it is authoritative, or because the resolver has it already on cache), it will piggyback the information on the same response packet. You can check this behaviour by using dig with the options that show all that comes in the original response. Look: $ dig www.google.com ; DiG 9.3.3rc2 www.google.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 53650 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.google.com.IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: www.google.com. 10048 IN CNAME www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com. 115 IN A 64.233.169.147 www.l.google.com. 115 IN A 64.233.169.104 www.l.google.com. 115 IN A 64.233.169.103 www.l.google.com. 115 IN A 64.233.169.99 ;; Query time: 3 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.1.1#53(192.168.1.1) ;; WHEN: Thu May 15 20:56:30 2008 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 126 192.168.1.1 is my router which is running DNS. Just to make sure, I opened another window and started a tcpdump udp on it, and this is what I got: 20:56:30.641239 IP 192.168.1.10.33672 192.168.1.1.53: 53650+ A? www.google.com. (32) 20:56:30.642791 IP 192.168.1.1.53 192.168.1.10.33672: 53650 5/0/0 CNAME[|domain] One packet request, one packet response. That's it, nothing else. On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Clint Dilks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently reviewing the DNS records for the organization I work for and have one area I would like other peoples thoughts on. Would there ever be a situation where you need to have multiple A records pointing to the same IP Address? Yes, if the domains are used as e-mail domains or as mail exchangers in MX records. Although this is probably not true anymore, some MTAs used to have problems with CNAMEs, so it was (and still is) considered best practice to use A records for those. You also might have to use A records if you want to associate other records to a name (like MX or TXT or even SOA for a parent domain). Whatever you do, be careful to not use CNAME pointing to a CNAME. Although it kind of works, it's expressly forbidden by the RFCs and might get you into trouble. Before changing those As into CNAMEs, make sure that nobody has a CNAME that points to one of those. Other than that, yes, it is a good idea to change As into CNAMEs, specially in cases where you don't have control on the nameserver for some domains and you might need to change the IP of the server, then you might change the A record and have all others follow you wherever you go. HTH, Filipe ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT: Top Posting
Carol Anne Ogdin wrote: Jumping in late here: I sincerely wish that this list was maintained on any of the quality bulletin board or Forum tools. It would reduce my eMail load, allow me to zoom in on just the issues of interest to me at the moment, and I can eMail those posts to myself that are relevant to my own needs for further editing and documentation. I find the entire USENET and eMail list thing utterly antediluvian, and wicked hard to use. Often, I can only barely remember that *maybe* something relevant was discussed months ago, but is now relevant to my current issue today. A forum is more practical as a tool for building a collective knowledge of the CentOS community. This eMail list just doesn't cut it for a knowledge base built up of our collective experience. Of course, for those of you who still prefer this medium, a forum can eMail you posts, just like you see them today. But people who would like to search for a solution from a year or so ago could search the central resource. Excuse me for being caustic, but you sound delusional. I'd guess you have heard of this thing called 'search' ? it works best on text, that is context specific and goes with you in the list archive. Besides, Forums are a total and complete waste of time for me. I cant be asked to go clicking around all over the place looking for posts here and there in various websites and pages while on the other hand I can aggregate the list feeds that interest me into a common resource that is available to me on th move or whenever I might need. And I know that this is the state of play with a large number of people who dont have the time going out looking for things, but prefer letting info / content come to them. Most forums are populated by drive-by posters, since they have a lower barrier to entry and an ever lower barrier to exit. While is quite the opposite to the lists. The info comes to you once you are subscribed, and an easy search digs up relevant content when you need it. One of the reasons I have such high regard for the few people who stick it out in the CentOS Forums working and helping the people who come posting there is because I know just how much work it is and just how much time is taken up by it. I, for one, cant put in that effort. Anyway, if you dont like the lists, you can unsubscribe from them ( subscription info is included in the headers of each email sent form the list), and move to the forums on www.centos.org. Why are you even here wasting your time ? I'd give you 40 technical reasons why forums are not nearly as productive as lists, but I cant be asked really. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT DNS Question
Clint Dilks wrote: Hi Everyone, I am currently reviewing the DNS records for the organization I work for and have one area I would like other peoples thoughts on. Would there ever be a situation where you need to have multiple A records pointing to the same IP Address? Currently we have a small number of cases where one IP Address has multiple A Records. This seems like a bad idea to me and I would replace these records with cnames. But I am meeting resistance to this. As far as I can think right now if you have one correctly configured A record with a matching reverse entry and then use cnames there shouldn't be any cases where you must add a second A record. Or am I missing something ? ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos Thanks for the responses :) Much appreciated ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] OT DNS Question
On May 15, 2008, at 7:59 PM, Filipe Brandenburger wrote: Not true (AFAIR). If I remember correctly, if the information about the destination of the CNAME is on the same DNS server (either because it is authoritative, or because the resolver has it already on cache), it will piggyback the information on the same response packet. You can check this behaviour by using dig with the options that show all that comes in the original response. Yes, you are correct. I was mis-remembering this bit of RFC 1035 about restarting the query: CNAME RRs cause no additional section processing, but name servers may choose to restart the query at the canonical name in certain cases. See the description of name server logic in [RFC-1034] for details. --Chris ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Re: missing from Centos51 src tree: .../drivers/infiniband/hw/amso1100/Makefile
snowcrash+centos wrote: i'm not yet sure what to do with that ... but, i presume that the 'make' process should *not* look for the Makefile? or, is there an additonal step req'd? the Kbuild file is a Makefile substitute, take a look at this doc: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kbuild/makefiles.txt the developers can drop either a Makefile or a Kbuild file into the tree -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Centos Freezing
Hi Robert, Robert Spangler wrote: For some reason at different times Centos will freeze and not allow me to do anything. This doesn't happen while I'm working on the system but after I have locked my session and then return. It could goes days without a lockup and then the next time I try to log in it'll be frozen. I would like to know if anyone else has seen this or knows of a fix or where I could start to look to find out if there is a process or something causing this. Not me, have not had such an issue. make sure you are completely yum-updated for a start. I normally have the same programs running so I don't think it could be caused by me starting and then leaving something new running. I guess the reason why no one has replied to your post so far is that its hard to work out or even think about such issues without some more context. Do you have proprietary drivers installed for anything ? ndiswrapper for wifi ? grfx drivers for nvidia or ati ? Could there be a network issue ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] missing from Centos51 src tree: .../drivers/infiniband/hw/amso1100/Makefile
On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM, snowcrash+centos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yum install kernel-devel kernel-xen-devel and usual, Oh, we're going off instinct here.. this might get ugly... ln -s /usr/src/kernels/`uname -r`-`uname -m` /usr/src/linux cd /usr/src/linux cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config make oldconfig make menuconfig ... next, make rpm HOUSTON, We have a problem. It's probably worth mentioning here, that this won't work in any recent (Centos 4 or 5) release, because kernel-*-devel packages don't contain any source files. They contain the headers needed to link a module against the kernel, and that's about it. If you want to rebuild the kernel, you're going to have to extract the source from the kernel src.rpm, and follow the instructions on the wiki. -- During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
Re: [CentOS] Best Motherboard
Ryan Nichols [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Really? We bought that EXACT motherboard.. 10 to be exact and we've had 9 fail and the 10th is on its way to major failure.. the odd thing is that 10th one was the first one purchased and that was 6 months ago. Unless you have many hundreds of servers I would not expect that failure rate from the cheapest 'free with purchase of CPU' motherboards. (assuming they were not returns. Never buy a returned motherboard.) Are you using ESD protection? Seriously. I worked at one place where we bought SuperMicro SuperServers and assembled them ourselves.About 1 in 3 were bad before being put in production, and the ones that we did get to production had weird problems like failed NIC cards months later. I put in a strict anti-static regime (grounded conductive mats on the floor, the table and grounded foot and wrist straps) after that, we built another 70 servers. Only one failed, and they were rock-solid once in production. granted, the static problem at this office was noticeable- you would walk across the room and touch something grounded and get zapped. But you can kill a motherboard with a much smaller ESD than you can feel But being overly paranoid during assembly provably results in fewer pages in the middle of the night later on. ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@centos.org http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos
