Re: SMS Gateway Questions
Dear All This is Jignesh Kakkad from India I am working in Wireless domain and related to SMS projects We do provide SMS connectivity where user can send SMS from the WEB site let me know if any is intersted for the same? Looking forward for your reply Regards jiggy - Original Message - From: Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:06 AM Subject: RE: SMS Gateway Questions We recently setup a deal with an SMS provider to sent emergency alerts to our students and staff. Our part of the deal has us paying for unlimited SMS messages for a given price. However, our school does not pay for the recipients to receive the messages. The recipient is responsible for paying to receive the messages. Although there are instances where the recipient doesn't pay, such as requesting an account status message from your own cell provider, most of the time, in the US, you pay to send and you pay to receive. You could think of it as a double-payment for a single message: The sender pays to send the message and the recipient pays to receive the messages. Therefore, a single message can cost a total of $0.40 for the full trip. In our case, we let the students/staff opt-in to receive the messages. We are not going to force a $0.20 message on anyone. You would not believe how bent people can get when forced to pay $0.20. Fortunately, my wife and I are on Sprint's unlimited messaging. It costs us $30/month extra, but we send/receive a few thousand messages each month. m!ke _ From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 5/27/2008 11:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SMS Gateway Questions When you send like that, who pays for the message?I'm pretty certain that the phone companies in teh USA arent working as charities adn will bill SOMONE for every message. So that means unless you have a business relationship with att.com ot accept billing from the, your recipient is going to pay. That may or may not be a good thing. Here in Australia it would be suicide for most applications to expect your recipients to pay for the message. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306807 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SMS Gateway Questions
Is the SMS Gateway available in CF8 Standard, or Enterprise only? It's available, but limited to running a single request at a time. If you're serious about using it - enough to warrant getting an SMS short code - you'll probably want Enterprise. Aside from having the gateway built in, is there anything else to purchase? (like an account with ATT or something) Are there any fees associated with sending (or receiving) messages through the gateway? Who charges you? How? You will need to use an SMS service provider, who will charge you fees. I'm not too familiar with the fee structure, though; I know some people on the list can provide much more detail on that. I was always curious how you get those 5 digit codes you see on tv. You pay for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_code Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
[A] Pricing: SMS messages are a commodity. The big providers buy in large quantity from whoever has the best price today, and on-sell in smaller quantities for larger prices. Today, Xcompany might be the best deal, but tomorrow Y Company might be a better deal.So when you do your application, expect to have to provide for switching from one provider to another. (in other words, build a cfc method that sends a message through the provider, so you can easliy switch to another provider by just writing another method) [B] you have to buy time through a phone or SMS provider. Just as you need to buy serices from an ISP or a cell phone provider. Messages are priced using a unit called a credit. A SMS might cost one credit, and a MMS might cost two credits. Or as a promotion, the provider might say that between certain hours, SMS's are 0.75 credits. How much you pay for a credit depends on how many you buy at a time. Buy more, they cost you less. [C] other issues: Access: not all providers accept the output from the SMS gateway. The one I used for a while for example required me to send a XML packet in a specific format. Another required an email. The service outside the USA can be a LOT better than the service Inside the USA. I'm afraid the USA lags behind the rest of the industrialised world when it comes to modile technology. One provider i was using for example, sent messages seamlessly to over 540 networks in 190 countries, and can accept up to 5000 SMS messages per minute. WIth European providers you dont need to know or care where in teh world your recipient is, or what phone provider they're with - just send the message with teh fully qualified cell phone number and wherever that phone is in teh world the message will be delivered if it's turned on and connected to a network. Speed: I worried about sending Australian messages to a European SMS provider, but it proved not an issue. I set up several time tests and found there was no appreciable delay in sending my messages through Eruope and Africa compared to sending from one mobile handset to another across the room. Inbound numbers: All my comments above are related to outbound messages - where you are sending messages to peopleIt's a little more complicated to receive messages, in that you have to have a provider in the country you are expecting to receive messages from. So while you might send your messages OUT through a Chinese or Indian or German company, you'll need to have inbound messages from USA customers coming through a USA provider, or else your customers will have to dial an international number to send their message. You might find some resistance on their part to accept the cost of that. But you dont have to have the same provider for both inbound and outbound messages. The main point is - expect to be changing providers.Prices change regularly and new providers come on the scene - it's a commodity like copy paper and coffee and sugar - If you build your application from the start expecting to want to change providers, you can be a lot more flexible and take account of changes in the market as they happen, without a lot of disruption to your code. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the SMS Gateway available in CF8 Standard, or Enterprise only? It's available, but limited to running a single request at a time. If you're serious about using it - enough to warrant getting an SMS short code - you'll probably want Enterprise. Aside from having the gateway built in, is there anything else to purchase? (like an account with ATT or something) Are there any fees associated with sending (or receiving) messages through the gateway? Who charges you? How? You will need to use an SMS service provider, who will charge you fees. I'm not too familiar with the fee structure, though; I know some people on the list can provide much more detail on that. I was always curious how you get those 5 digit codes you see on tv. You pay for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_code Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306113 Subscription:
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
It may be just me and not understanding fully what SMS is... SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the form of text messages.. Right? Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone number and send it that way via CFMail? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such) If you want inbound, couldn't you use cfpop to check an empty account to see if any are received? What am I not understanding? On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [A] Pricing: SMS messages are a commodity. The big providers buy in large quantity from whoever has the best price today, and on-sell in smaller quantities for larger prices. Today, Xcompany might be the best deal, but tomorrow Y Company might be a better deal.So when you do your application, expect to have to provide for switching from one provider to another. (in other words, build a cfc method that sends a message through the provider, so you can easliy switch to another provider by just writing another method) [B] you have to buy time through a phone or SMS provider. Just as you need to buy serices from an ISP or a cell phone provider. Messages are priced using a unit called a credit. A SMS might cost one credit, and a MMS might cost two credits. Or as a promotion, the provider might say that between certain hours, SMS's are 0.75 credits. How much you pay for a credit depends on how many you buy at a time. Buy more, they cost you less. [C] other issues: Access: not all providers accept the output from the SMS gateway. The one I used for a while for example required me to send a XML packet in a specific format. Another required an email. The service outside the USA can be a LOT better than the service Inside the USA. I'm afraid the USA lags behind the rest of the industrialised world when it comes to modile technology. One provider i was using for example, sent messages seamlessly to over 540 networks in 190 countries, and can accept up to 5000 SMS messages per minute. WIth European providers you dont need to know or care where in teh world your recipient is, or what phone provider they're with - just send the message with teh fully qualified cell phone number and wherever that phone is in teh world the message will be delivered if it's turned on and connected to a network. Speed: I worried about sending Australian messages to a European SMS provider, but it proved not an issue. I set up several time tests and found there was no appreciable delay in sending my messages through Eruope and Africa compared to sending from one mobile handset to another across the room. Inbound numbers: All my comments above are related to outbound messages - where you are sending messages to peopleIt's a little more complicated to receive messages, in that you have to have a provider in the country you are expecting to receive messages from. So while you might send your messages OUT through a Chinese or Indian or German company, you'll need to have inbound messages from USA customers coming through a USA provider, or else your customers will have to dial an international number to send their message. You might find some resistance on their part to accept the cost of that. But you dont have to have the same provider for both inbound and outbound messages. The main point is - expect to be changing providers.Prices change regularly and new providers come on the scene - it's a commodity like copy paper and coffee and sugar - If you build your application from the start expecting to want to change providers, you can be a lot more flexible and take account of changes in the market as they happen, without a lot of disruption to your code. Hope this helps. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the SMS Gateway available in CF8 Standard, or Enterprise only? It's available, but limited to running a single request at a time. If you're serious about using it - enough to warrant getting an SMS short code - you'll probably want Enterprise. Aside from having the gateway built in, is there anything else to purchase? (like an account with ATT or something) Are there any fees associated with sending (or receiving) messages through the gateway? Who charges you? How? You will need to use an SMS service provider, who will charge you fees. I'm not too familiar with the fee structure, though; I know some people on the list can provide much more detail on that. I was always curious how you get those 5 digit codes you see on tv. You pay for them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_code Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
It may be just me and not understanding fully what SMS is... SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the form of text messages.. Right? Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone number and send it that way via CFMail? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such) If you want inbound, couldn't you use cfpop to check an empty account to see if any are received? What am I not understanding? On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually just to send a message as 'text' to a cell phone all you need to do is send it via cfmail and make it short (160 characters for most providers). This link will get you going real fast. Also, if you need to accept a reply message you can easily have a dedicated email address an use CF to check for replies on a cf scheduled basis and do 'something' with the replies. I'm actually writing code to do this now. http://www.sms411.net/2006/07/how-to-send-email-to-phone.html Cheers, Wil ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
Ah.. Yeah.. Isn't that what I just said? :) On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Wil Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually just to send a message as 'text' to a cell phone all you need to do is send it via cfmail and make it short (160 characters for most providers). This link will get you going real fast. Also, if you need to accept a reply message you can easily have a dedicated email address an use CF to check for replies on a cf scheduled basis and do 'something' with the replies. I'm actually writing code to do this now. http://www.sms411.net/2006/07/how-to-send-email-to-phone.html ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306117 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
Yes, but I gave more info and I have actually done this and I'm building the utility to handle replies for a large scale application. :-p Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306119 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: SMS Gateway Questions
SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the form of text messages.. Right? Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone number and send it that way via CFMail? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such) That doesn't scale too well, as far as I can tell. If you plan to use SMS with any significant volume of messages, or if you plan to use SMS short codes, you'll need the services of an SMS provider. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306120 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
When you send like that, who pays for the message?I'm pretty certain that the phone companies in teh USA arent working as charities adn will bill SOMONE for every message. So that means unless you have a business relationship with att.com ot accept billing from the, your recipient is going to pay. That may or may not be a good thing. Here in Australia it would be suicide for most applications to expect your recipients to pay for the message. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:44 AM, Wil Genovese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be just me and not understanding fully what SMS is... SMS is the ability to send messages to cell phones in the form of text messages.. Right? Why can't you slap the appropriate ending on their cell phone number and send it that way via CFMail? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] or some such) If you want inbound, couldn't you use cfpop to check an empty account to see if any are received? What am I not understanding? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306128 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: SMS Gateway Questions
That is correct - the recipient pays. And do they ever as I can attest to with my own bill as I test the service I am coding. However, in the system I am coding right now this is part of our clients subscription service that they pay a monthly fee to use and thus they opt in to receiving the optional notifications by text message and the fees for them. Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306129 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: SMS Gateway Questions
We recently setup a deal with an SMS provider to sent emergency alerts to our students and staff. Our part of the deal has us paying for unlimited SMS messages for a given price. However, our school does not pay for the recipients to receive the messages. The recipient is responsible for paying to receive the messages. Although there are instances where the recipient doesn't pay, such as requesting an account status message from your own cell provider, most of the time, in the US, you pay to send and you pay to receive. You could think of it as a double-payment for a single message: The sender pays to send the message and the recipient pays to receive the messages. Therefore, a single message can cost a total of $0.40 for the full trip. In our case, we let the students/staff opt-in to receive the messages. We are not going to force a $0.20 message on anyone. You would not believe how bent people can get when forced to pay $0.20. Fortunately, my wife and I are on Sprint's unlimited messaging. It costs us $30/month extra, but we send/receive a few thousand messages each month. m!ke _ From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 5/27/2008 11:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SMS Gateway Questions When you send like that, who pays for the message?I'm pretty certain that the phone companies in teh USA arent working as charities adn will bill SOMONE for every message. So that means unless you have a business relationship with att.com ot accept billing from the, your recipient is going to pay. That may or may not be a good thing. Here in Australia it would be suicide for most applications to expect your recipients to pay for the message. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306130 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
