Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-11 Thread David Paul Zimmerman
One other idea is that, depending on the details of what you're facing,
you could do QinQ for the ports in question.  Then you could effectively
have VRF-like separation between them.

 dp

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From: randal k cisco...@data102.com
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:16:15 -0700
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Subject: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

NSP'ers,

For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each
other.

I dig that this can be done with protected ports or PVLANs, but am hoping
for a more assign all the ports to a new VRF-style solution.

Thanks in advance!
Randal
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[c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread randal k
NSP'ers,

For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.

I dig that this can be done with protected ports or PVLANs, but am hoping
for a more assign all the ports to a new VRF-style solution.

Thanks in advance!
Randal
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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Andrew Miehs
On 06.04.2011, at 18:23, randal k cisco...@data102.com
 Situation is that I have
 a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
 separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
 use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.

Why? Just buy a 2960 with 48 ports or use a platforn which creates
virtual switches.

Could you not just use for eg Vlan100 on module 1 and vlan200 on mod
2. you could then connect the second switch via access ports rather
than trunks and translate the vlan in this way. - Very confusing
however


 I dig that this can be done with protected ports or PVLANs, but am hoping
 for a more assign all the ports to a new VRF-style solution.

A good solution if you need job security - dont think I would want to
maintain this.

Regards

Andrew

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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Phil Mayers

On 04/06/2011 05:16 PM, randal k wrote:

NSP'ers,

For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.



No. The VLAN space is chassis-global for LAN cards.

One some WAN cards I believe you can do sub-interfaces where vlans are 
re-used, but I'm not sure if that's layer2 capable, and most of the WAN 
cards are pricey and low density so probably useless for your case.


VLAN translation might be of some use to you, but you've got to be 
careful with the caveats (port groupings, limits on number of mappings)

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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Garry
On 06.04.2011 18:16, randal k wrote:
 NSP'ers,

 For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
 VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
 a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
 separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
 use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.

Could something like the UNI/NNI port types that are used on ME-switches
like the ME3400 be a possibility? If you have a switch with several
ports configured as UNI ports in the same VLAN, they won't be able to
talk to each other, even though they are in the same VLAN. All traffic
is required to go out via NNI uplink ports ... (not sure whether this
feature is available on the 6500 series though)

-garry
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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Murphy, William
Nexus 7k configured with two VDCs...  Have a spare $150,000 to solve the
problem?  :-)

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Subject: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

NSP'ers,

For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.

I dig that this can be done with protected ports or PVLANs, but am hoping
for a more assign all the ports to a new VRF-style solution.

Thanks in advance!
Randal
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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Derick Winkworth
There are virtual-switches on Juniper MXs which do precisely what you are 
asking 
for.  Each virtual-switch has the entire VLAN space and their own spanning-tree 
configuration.






From: Garry g...@gmx.de
To: randal k cisco...@data102.com
Cc: cisco-nsp cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 2:33:36 PM
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

On 06.04.2011 18:16, randal k wrote:
 NSP'ers,

 For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way to do
 VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I have
 a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a completely
 separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively letting me
 use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each other.

Could something like the UNI/NNI port types that are used on ME-switches
like the ME3400 be a possibility? If you have a switch with several
ports configured as UNI ports in the same VLAN, they won't be able to
talk to each other, even though they are in the same VLAN. All traffic
is required to go out via NNI uplink ports ... (not sure whether this
feature is available on the 6500 series though)

-garry
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Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

2011-04-06 Thread Waris Sagheer (waris)
EVC with split horizon can also achieve something similar but I am not
sure if 6500 supports it.

-Waris


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[mailto:cisco-nsp-boun...@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:34 PM
To: randal k
Cc: cisco-nsp
Subject: Re: [c-nsp] VRF-ish solution for L2 interfaces?

On 06.04.2011 18:16, randal k wrote:
 NSP'ers,

 For unfortunate reasons I am asking the collective if there is a way
to do
 VRF-lite style segragation for layer-2 interfaces. Situation is that I
have
 a 6509, and I need to make a single blade on the chassis have a
completely
 separate VLAN database from the rest of the chassis, effectively
letting me
 use a VLAN twice on the chassis without allowing them to talk to each
other.

Could something like the UNI/NNI port types that are used on ME-switches
like the ME3400 be a possibility? If you have a switch with several
ports configured as UNI ports in the same VLAN, they won't be able to
talk to each other, even though they are in the same VLAN. All traffic
is required to go out via NNI uplink ports ... (not sure whether this
feature is available on the 6500 series though)

-garry
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