Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
On Jun 2, 2007, at 1:26 AM, David K. Watson wrote: I don't want to sound like I am playing the Blame the User game, but given your comments regarding bloat, is it possible you removed some fonts from your system? Or perhaps turned off the needed fonts with a font manager? That is a possibility, or that needed fonts may be corrupted. I'll have to look into that. Thanks. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
Sometimes you have to open the file from withing the program instead of clicking on it to open. I've seen the problem a few times. The worst offender is when I receive a PDF in an email and it displays as an attached text file. I have to wait for the entire thing to load, then detach it to view in Preview. That is nor a problem with the PDF or Acrobat. That is a problem with your mail reader not interfacing correctly with display software. This is usually programmed as a plug-in. You may be missing a plug-in or have a out of date plug-in, or your mail reader may not handle plug-ins correctly. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
I suspect that the header on the text PDF is nonstandard, rather than having a defective mail program, otherwise all PDFs would behave the same. Next time I have PDF that displays as text, I'll save it and see if I can compare the header with one that behaves better. Yes, incorrect MIME can be a big problem. Then the problem is with the sender's email program or computer. There is plenty of blame to spread around. If it is a MIME problem your only recourse is to save the file to disk and open it from there with a reader program. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
Newer PDF files available at the Fairfax County government website are not readable with any of the various PDF viewers I have on my Mac under 10.3.9, except for any embedded bit mapped graphic files contained therein. The text portions are garbled. Older PDF files on the site are fully readable with these various, non-Adobe PDF viewers. It therefore appears as though the county, at some point in the recent past, began using a different piece of software to create their PDF files, or they upgraded their older software. At any rate, whatever path they took, they have rendered their PDFs unreadable to me at this time. I somehow think that the county is using Acrobat to create these files, and that something about a newer version of Acrobat, or the manner in which the county has decided to configure Acrobat is creating a situation that requires the Adobe reader to be required to properly open and view these newer files. Call them. I had a similar problem with the fill-in forms for Maryland taxes. I phoned the person in charge of graphics for Maryland publications. He was wonderful. He completely understood the issue. He also has Macs in his department. He said a similar thing to what I've unfortunately told my clients many times--deadline was too tight to get it 100% for this year's forms. He was working on getting Mac versions to display properly in Preview. I requested a Preview-compatible version because Preview can save fill-in forms with contents, as opposed to Adobe Reader that prints but doesn't save the forms, and doesn't print to Preview either. Call them. Find out how they create their PDFs. Tell them that the PDFs are broken. Ask what program they use to create PDFs, and request that they use something that works for all systems and not just the current version of Windows that they're using. Most people don't test their files on different computer and have no idea that the files they post are broken. The authors of the Fairfax County gummint web site may be completely unaware of their broken files, too. Betty Remind them that for every person who calls, there are many more who give up, go away, and complain to their friends. Remind them that you are paying their salary, too. That works too. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
I requested a Preview-compatible version because Preview can save fill-in forms with contents, as opposed to Adobe Reader that prints but doesn't save the forms, and doesn't print to Preview either. Actually Acrobat Reader can do more. The creator of the form can set the PDF to email the responses back (just the responses, not the whole form). On return Acrobat will merge the responses back into the form. Easy. Very slick. Lots of variations to interface with databases etc. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
I will not install the Adobe Acrobat reader on my OS X Mac because of issues with bloat and unnecessary ancillary files. If you are running OS X you have already lost the war against bloat. Adding a useful, though bloated, application is not going to make any significant difference. I have not seen any cases where adding Acrobat Reader has caused a problem. With hard drives selling for 25 to 50 cents per GB I don't know that there is every going to be much incentive for leaner software. * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
What exactly does cannot be coherently viewed mean in your experience ? I mean that the PDF files are garbled. Incoherent. Alpha numeric characters, but in a form that is nonsense. Graphic files are reproduced just fine, but not the text. This is rare, but happens nonetheless. I will not install the Adobe Acrobat reader on my OS X Mac because of issues with bloat and unnecessary ancillary files. Sometimes you have to open the file from withing the program instead of clicking on it to open. I've seen the problem a few times. The worst offender is when I receive a PDF in an email and it displays as an attached text file. I have to wait for the entire thing to load, then detach it to view in Preview. I don't like Adobe Reader either. Instead of using Adobe Reader, do use have the SchubertIt PDF plugin to view PDFs in a browser? That works pretty well too, and you can view and print from it. http://schubertit.com/ Betty * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
On May 31, 2007, at 8:46 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: I don't like Adobe Reader either. Instead of using Adobe Reader, do use have the SchubertIt PDF plugin to view PDFs in a browser? That works pretty well too, and you can view and print from it. http://schubertit.com/ Thanks for the tip on opening from within the program. I'll check that out, although I am pretty sure I did that and they still would not display correctly. I will look at that plugin. Thank you. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
Re: [CGUYS] PDF files in a Macintosh environment
On May 30, 2007, at 10:00 PM, E. Riley Casey wrote: What exactly does cannot be coherently viewed mean in your experience ? I mean that the PDF files are garbled. Incoherent. Alpha numeric characters, but in a form that is nonsense. Graphic files are reproduced just fine, but not the text. This is rare, but happens nonetheless. I will not install the Adobe Acrobat reader on my OS X Mac because of issues with bloat and unnecessary ancillary files. Steve * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
