Re: [CTRL] Steamshovel #16
-Caveat Lector- Mr. Kenn Thomas is hard working, and a sober thinker in a land of 'interesting' folks'. Ah, I can drink the lot of ya under the table. So Merry Christmas and to the best of futures Raise a glass! kt DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: AP Story On Hastert Cites Wrong Numbers
In a message dated 12/23/98 2:45:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't access any of the lists. Would you please send out the ALERT below to CTRL list re today's AP story and the wrong numbers mentioned in the story by Jennifer Loven (the URLS are included so that you can take a look). I don't have access to my other e-mail account. Thanks! -Andy SUBJECT: AP story Reports Speaker-in-waiting Hastert Old ACU Rating DATE: 12.23.98 In the AP story "Hastert a Conservative at Heart," by JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer, the ACU rated Speaker-in-waiting Hastert a score of 88 ["The American Conservative Union gave him an 88"]. But at http://www.conservative.org/98ratings/IL2ME.htm , of ACU's website, a score of 100 was given for 1998. The 88 score was given in 1997, from what the chart reads. Any idea why AP wrote otherwise --giving last year's info seems misleading? You can find the AP story at http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981223/V000995-122398-idx.html The man isn't even Speaker yet and the media's starting already! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I can't access any of the lists. Would you please send out the ALERT below to CTRL list re today's AP story and the wrong numbers mentioned in the story by Jennifer Loven (the URLS are included so that you can take a look). I don't have access to my other e-mail account. Thanks! -Andy SUBJECT: AP story Reports Speaker-in-waiting Hastert Old ACU Rating DATE: 12.23.98 In the AP story "Hastert a Conservative at Heart," by JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer, the ACU rated Speaker-in-waiting Hastert a score of 88 ["The American Conservative Union gave him an 88"]. But at http://www.conservative.org/98ratings/IL2ME.htm , of ACU's website, a score of 100 was given for 1998. The 88 score was given in 1997, from what the chart reads. Any idea why AP wrote otherwise --giving last year's info seems misleading? You can find the AP story at http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981223/V000995-122398-idx.html The man isn't even Speaker yet and the media's starting already! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [CTRL] [2] Star Fire - The Gold of the Gods
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/23/98 8:31:18 PM, Das GOAT wrote: Prince Mikey and Larry Gardner are sure outdoing themselves here, working to entice the wasted Goth crowd --pierced-nippled Anne Rice fans-- into their oc/cult nonsense. Yes, indeed, pushing some contemporary buttons. . . A couple of obvious questions;why? And who is paying the bills? . . .a heraldist and the pretender? Hmm . . . The real deal? Aggrandizing, greedy boys? And a look at conspiracy mags. Nexus is I guess a big boy on the block, seems to have an international distribution, slick, static, pleasant style and a perponderence of 'suspect' articles with 'strange' agendas and requiring 'interesting, leaps of faith. If you followed the personal health and 'spiritual issues' one would have a very strang lifestyle, including drinking ones urine, essence of mense( or something like that) 'powdered, white gold, collodial silver and myraids of other life-style affecting 'practices'. Billy Jack where are ya, when we need ya? Om k DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] 60 Minutes and Soros]
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Robert Tatman wrote:
Gerald Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did anyone else watch 60 Minutes last night?
snip
My wife was completely flabbergasted by Soros's contradictory statements. She
kept muttering, "I don't understand it." All I can say is, if Soros was
telling the truth about his motivations, he has serious psychological
problems...and if he was lying, he is the biggest cynic to emerge on the world
financial scene in the last 100 years. I feel more and more that Soros is
deliberately manipulating the world economy for his own personal benefit. I
doubt that he has a hidden political agenda, although others of the
elite--such as Maurice Strong--clearly do. But all *that* means is that the
only restraint on Soros is what little conscience he has left...
Bob
Don't count on his conscience -- didn't you catch the bit about him
being "a moral man who sometimes acts amorally" ? Those who resort
to Amorality are wilfully blinding themselves in order that they may
commit acts they know or suspect to be IMmoral. The Nuremburg trials
removed the little guy's recourse to amorality ("just following
orders") without reducing the big guy's ("just doing business").
Actually, Soros can't claim amorality since he has (correctly)
pointed out that economics is a social science (rather than a hard
science) and therefore not subject to immutable laws.
As to his motive? I don't know; he seems to enjoy mooning everyone
while they're craning their necks to catch a glimpse of the
emperor's new clothes.
Gerry
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Re: [CTRL] Iraq: Attack of the Hormones?
-Caveat Lector- Alamaine Ratliff wrote: What calamity (if any) was about to befall Geo Bush (Sr) when it was originally decided to act against Iraq back in '90? It seems as though when 'genderhood' is threatened, Hussein appears to be the one they try to geld. I refer to this in view of the Sudan/Afghanistan strikes (following Grand Jury testimony) and now this. The impetus for my comment stems in part from an O'Reilly (Fox News) piece with Al Haig, during which Haig referred to striking Iraq as being a way to prove 'manhood' ... is Willie Clinton the only one to whom Haig may have referred? Sorry to respond so late. I don't think Bush intended to attack Iraq at all. I recall that there was a regularly scheduled meeting of world leaders shortly after the invasion of Kuwait (G7 in Denver?) where the press had its first crack at the collected government leaders. When the question of Iraq came up Bush hemmed and hawed about an appropriate response; it was Margaret Thatcher who weighed in with threats to kick Saddam's ass all the way back to Baghdad. After that the idea of ousting Saddam from Kuwait wouldn't go away but neither was it a unanimous public opinion which is why the "incubator babies" incident was required. I suspect that the invasion of Kuwait had something to do with the manipulation of oil prices, possibly by placing an embargo on Iraqi oil (including the conquered oil, whether that was meant to be the disputed oil field or all of Kuwait's production). In return Saddam might get whatever he could haul out of Kuwait and the assurance that things would cool down after a couple of years and he could resume pumping oil (if Saddam's complicity was even required). Perhaps it was Bush's failure to achieve the original target that caused him to step aside (so to speak) but it might have been his final act anyway -- so many scandals barely under the surface, and Bush may be more effective away from the public eye. Maggie didn't last long after that and I don't doubt that she was turfed for speaking out of turn. It's also interesting to consider the consequences of the recent fireworks and ponder whether they were intended or not. Saddam now has a *greater* opportunity to build "weapons of mass destruction" since it will now be difficult for the U.S. to get world support to force Iraq to admit inspectors. Maybe there wasn't enough terrorism in the world? Russia is making noises about re-arming, China has cracked down on democracy activists; all in all America has lost its "moral authority" which may give despots everywhere the opportunity to eliminate nuisances without fear of reprisals. Something to consider, anyway. Gerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Supreme Court noise
-Caveat Lector-
WHY
At 01:45 PM 11/20/98 -0600, you wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
How do you reconcile your interpretation of the tenth commandment ("Go to
hell") with Jesus's teaching:
on love:"You shall love your neighbor as yourself"? Matthew 22:39.
on the accumulation of wealth: "Truly, I tell you, it will be hard for a
rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier
for a camel to go through the eye of aneedle than for someone who is rich
to enter the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:23-24.
on PAYING TAXES: "Give therefore to the emperor the things that are the
emperor's" Matthew 22:21.
on capital: "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth
and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal; but store up for
yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes and
where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is,
there your heart will be also" Matthew 19
on judging others: "Why do you see the speck in your neighbor's eye, but
do not notice the log in your own eye?" Matthew 7
on market values: "You cannot serve God and wealth"
Matthew 24
on market exchange values:
"and if anyone wants to sue you and take your
coat, give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go
also the second mile. Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not
refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you" Matthew 38
on the disadvantaged: "When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite
your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case
they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give
a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame and the blind."
Luke 14:12
on greed and egoism: (advice to the rich man) "Sell all that you own and
distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.."
Luke 18:
excerpts from The Holy Bible. New Revised Standard Version
New York: American Bible Society, 1989
On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Barb Witt wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
At 09:19 PM 11/19/98 -0600, Linda Minor wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
You answered my question. You are simply obtuse--or simple and obtuse.
Regardless, I have better things to do with my valuable time than to waste
it on the likes of you.
Have a good day.
Wow! This must be another example of the "scholarly research" I was told to
emulate! The following quote from the book "Eat The Rich" was surely
written with you in mind:
"Fairness is a good thing in marriage and at the day-care center. It's a
nice
little domestic virtue. But a liking for fairness is not that noble a
sentiment. Fairness doesn't rank with charity, love, duty, or
self-sacrifice.
And there's always a tinge of self-seeking in making sure that things are
fair. Don't you go trying to get one up on me.
As a foundation for a political system, fairness may be no virtue at
all. The
Old Testament is clear on this point. The Bible might seem an odd place
to be
doing economic research, especially by someone who goes to church about
once a
year, and only then because that's when my wife says the Easter Bunny
comes.
However, I have been thinking--in socioeconomic terms--about the Tenth
Commandment.
The first nine Commandments concern theological principles and social law:
Thou shalt not make graven images, steal, kill, etc. Fair enough. But then
there's the Tenth Commandment: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,
thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his
maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor's."
Here are God's basic rules about how we should live, a very brief list of
sacred obligations and solemn moral precepts, and right at the end of it
is,
"Don't envy your buddy's cow."
What is that doing in there? Why would God, with just ten things to tell
Moses, choose, as one of them, jealousy about the livestock next door? And
yet, think about how important to the well-being of a community this
Commandment is. If you want a donkey, if you want a pot roast, if you
want a
cleaning lady, don't bitch about what the people across the street have. Go
get your own.
The Tenth Commandment sends a message to socialists, to egalitarians, to
people obsessed with fairness, to American presidential candidates in
the year
2000--to everyone who believes that wealth should be redistributed. And the
message is clear and concise: Go to hell."
Barb
-Original Message-
From: M. A. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 8:54 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Supreme Court noise
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Linda Minor wrote:
The point is: You requested the specific language in the
U.S. Constitution which permits your wages to be taxed,
with the money used for social welfare purposes.
MJ:
Yes, I still await such identification --
[CTRL] Court Deals Blow to Mandatory College Fees
-Caveat Lector- Via Peter Murray: ~ Court Deals Blow to Mandatory College Fees Phyllis Schlafly The decision in Southworth v. Grebe, handed down recently by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, didn't make it onto national television, but it can have a profound effect on American culture and politics. The court held that it is a violation of the First Amendment rights of freedom of speech and association for a state university to use "students' mandatory activity fees to fund organizations which engage in political or ideological activities, advocacy, or speech." For many years, it has been the common practice of universities and colleges to require all students to pay student activity fees every term. The fees are mandatory; students who refuse to pay cannot receive their grades or graduate. The money is then turned over to student organizations that spend it pretty much as they please. Much of this money is given to liberal, leftwing, feminist, gay, socialist, or radical student groups, which in turn bring leftwing speakers to campus, lobby for leftwing legislation, and engage in leftwing demonstrations and activities. These student fees often involve hundreds of thousands of dollars. At the University of Wisconsin, for example, the student fee of $165.75 per semester added up to $974,200 in the 1995-96 school year. Enjoying tight control over this tremendous pot of money, the leftwing students (with the patronage of leftwing professors) are able to finance the radical movement and pay $25,000 honoraria to leftwing speakers. Only rarely is a token conservative invited. Scott Southworth, a student at the University of Wisconsin, determined to do something to remedy this abuse. First, he had to confront the roadblocks the university put in his way: secrecy and layers of laundering by committees dispensing "allocable and nonallocable" funds. After finding a lawyer to file suit (Jordan Lorence of Fairfax, VA), a foundation to provide financial backup (Alliance Defense Fund of Scottsdale, AZ), and several other students to join as plaintiffs, they set out to gather the evidence. The evidence filed with the complaint on April 2, 1996 was plentiful and persuasive, and the facts were not in dispute. The court's decision cited 18 student organizations that had been funded by University of Wisconsin student fees, including WISPIRG (which lobbied Congress and distributed environmentalist voter guides); the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Campus Center (which distributed sexually explicit materials); the Campus Women's Center (which lobbied for abortion rights and against any regulations); the UW Greens (which distributed campaign materials for the Green Party USA and Ralph Nader's presidential candidacy, and organized a march against the Governor's budget); and the Madison AIDS Support Network. Other student groups cited by the court included the International Socialist Society (which advocated the overthrow of the government and disrupted a church meeting); the Ten Percent Society (which lobbied for same-sex marriages); the Progressive Student Network (which lobbied against the GOP Contract with America); Amnesty International (which lobbied for abolition of the death penalty); the United States Student Association (which lobbies for a mix of leftwing causes); the Militant Student Union; and Students of National Organization for Women. While the Supreme Court has never directly confronted the issue of student fees, the Court of Appeals was able to base its decision on several Supreme Court decisions that pointed in the right direction. Abood v. Detroit Board of Education (1977) and Keller v. State Bar of California (1990) had ruled that unions and bar associations, respectively, may not constitutionally compel their members to fund advocacy that is nongermane to the purposes of the organization requiring payment of the fee. Rosenberger v. Rector (1995) had held that a university may not deny access because of ideology to the pool of money created by student fees; additionally, five justices noted that some students might object to the funding of political and ideological organizations. And, the Supreme Court had denied certiorari in Smith v. Regents of the University of California (1993), letting stand a decision of the California Supreme Court that students may not be "forced to support causes they strongly oppose." At the oral argument on the Southworth case on June 4, 1997, the University of Wisconsin stoutly insisted that its educational mission requires compelling the fees of all students. When the judge asked if a black student would have to contribute to a Ku Klux Klan organization, or a Jewish student to a Nazi group, the university's lawyer replied "yes," arguing that "hateful speech has a place in our society too." To which the court responded, "but the Constitution does not mandate that citizens pay for it." The court then cited Thomas
[CTRL] Wag the FoxHounds ?
-Caveat Lector- From wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : Britain Labour government rocked by high level resignations By Julie Hyland 24 December 1998 Two leading ministers in Tony Blair's Labour government resigned within hours of each other on Wednesday afternoon. Peter Mandelson, Trade and Industry Secretary, quit at lunchtime just days after it was disclosed that he had failed to declare a £373,000 loan made to him by fellow minister Geoffrey Robinson, the Paymaster General. The loan was made by Robinson in 1996 when the two were in opposition. Mandelson's resignation as head of the Department of Trade Industry (DTI) left Robinson no option but to take a similar course of action later in the day. Robinson, a multimillionaire with a personal wealth estimated at between £18 million and £30 million, had agreed to help Mandelson purchase a £475,000 house in Notting Hill, London two years ago. Mandelson stated that he considered the loan an "entirely personal, non-political confidential matter between two friends". But he failed to disclose the loan even when his own department began an investigation into Robinson's business affairs, following a reprimand by the House of Commons earlier this year for not properly declaring numerous business interests. The press became aware of the loan arrangement last Thursday but held the story back while Britain and the United States conducted their bombing raids against Iraq. Since the Guardian newspaper first disclosed details on Monday, Mandelson spent several days in a frantic round of media interviews aimed at explaining his position and denying any allegations of "sleaze". Peter Mandelson is a close friend of the prime minister. As senior "spin doctor" he was credited with ensuring Blair's succession to the Labour leadership following the death of John Smith in 1994, and is one of the main driving forces behind the Labour Party's "modernisation". But even Blair was not told of the loan until just a week ago. On Monday Blair issued a personal statement saying he was "confident" that Mandelson was "properly insulated" from any decision by DTI officials regarding Robinson's business arrangements. But the Conservative Party was rumoured to be after "bigger fish". This was followed by further allegations in the Guardian on Wednesday that Robinson had "bankrolled" Chancellor Gordon Brown's office, staff and research costs whilst in opposition. In his resignation letter to the prime minister Mandelson stated that he did not "believe that I have done anything wrong or improper. But I should not, with all candour, have entered into the arrangement. I should, having done so, have told you and other colleagues whose advice I value. And I should have told my Permanent Secretary on learning of the inquiry into Geoffrey Robinson, although I had entirely stood aside from this." He went on, "But we came to power promising to uphold the highest possible standards in public life. We have not just to do so, but we must be seen to do so. Therefore with huge regret I wish to resign." In response, Blair praised Mandelson: "Without your support and advice we would never have built New Labour." Holding the door open for the former DTI minister to maintain a leading, albeit less public, role in government, he continued that it was his belief that "in the future, you will achieve much, much more with us". Geoffrey Robinson stated in his resignation letter he had "done nothing wrong" and would "vigorously defend myself against any allegations. In the case of the loan to Peter Mandelson, I merely considered myself in 1996 as someone in a position to help a long-standing friend, with no request for anything". Yet "after more than 12 months of a highly charged political campaign, the point has been reached when I feel that it is no longer right that you or your Government should be affected by or have to contend with these attacks." When Labour came to power in 1997 it promised to "clean up politics"--a reference to a series of corruption scandals that had engulfed the previous Tory administration. Three months later Blair issued a revised code of conduct for his ministers aimed at helping to restore "the bond of trust between the people and their government". The code stated that ministers should "order their affairs so that no conflict arises or is thought to arise between their private interests (financial or otherwise) and their public duties." Ministers "must scrupulously avoid any danger of an actual or apparent conflict of interest" and "no minister or public servant should accept gifts, hospitality or services from anyone which would, or might appear to, place him or her under an obligation". Although the relationship between Mandelson and Robinson has not strictly broken the code in this instance, given that they were in opposition at the time, the latter was the first leading Labour figure whose personal dealings had been called into question. This included
Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?
-Caveat Lector- Someone wrote: May I suggest that all who are disaffected by Socialism on the one hand, and "vulture" (Pat Buchanan's phrase) or "loan shark" capitalism (which we have in the US now) snip MJ: May I recommend an education in terminology before one attempts to malign 'a rose by ANOTHER name'? America has NOT a capitalist economy but a MIXED economy with Government controls, regulations and planning to its detriment. nurev wrote: Typical Libertarian bullshit. America has a slightly mixed economy which is firmly in the hands of Capitalists. The very worst of both possibilities. It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism. MJ: Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ... Capitalism requires a SEPARATION of the economy and the state -- hardly a reality within the US. As Thomas Sowell stated: A totalitarian state thrives on propaganda, and there is no more effective way to limit thought than to control the language itself. By changing definitions of words through continual association, any serious discussion involving the concepts that the words represents becomes hopelessly muddled. The words "democracy," "hate" and "racism" immediately comes to mind. What better way to malign liberty and freedom than calling apples, oranges ... blaming the oranges for that which is otherwise not possible. Regard$, --MJ The policy of the American government is to leave their citizens free, neither restraining nor aiding them in their pursuits. -- Thomas Jefferson to M. L'Hommande, 1787. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [priory-of-sion] Count Comments on 'Starfire' Article
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/15/98--was sincerely hoping we could get your reaction ot the latest of laurence gardner's theories. do his ideas fit your concept of the beginning of the bloodline ? [EMAIL PROTECTED] COUNT*** That is a good question. As Mr Gardner's ideas have become a mixture of various other author's and scholar's views (some of which are on the right track and others which are somewhat dubious), I would say yes and no. As our friends in the posting group have mentioned before, Gardner is working from a personal agenda, and I can vouch for that viewpoint. I could liken his situation to a person who knows that history making events will soon be taking place, and he does not want to miss the glory involved. General Patton worried about the same thing, but he was destined to be in the fray that was known as W.W.II. I know that your next question would be: what of Gardner's views are correct about the Bloodline? The antiquity, the Holy right of Kingship, the line of descent(in general terms), and various events in the Bloodline's history which have been hidden or obscured from history. you wrote: well, you said to look in the middle east for the font of the bloodline. that pretty much has to mean sumeria. you didn't like my ishtar and tammuz speculation. is gardner correct ? that the bloodline begins with cain and etana ? COUNT* There were many Cains in history, as the human race as Homo-sapiens-sapiens are over 150,000 years old. Which one could he be referring to? Names are such interchangeable things in the ancient's books. No, the bloodline was not begun with any Cain in history. Etana is a close approximation to the start, as the God Kings were descended from him. But, he was not the starting point. The original starting point would be Adapa, but that is not the official starting point of Kingship. Officially, Nimrod was the first King sanctioned by God. Research in that area of history. The Bloodline stretches back beyond recorded history, but it's Kingship began with Nimrod. I have a few comments to make about the following commentary. the word 'kingship' derived from 'cainship,' referring to the Biblical cain. (for importance of cain, see part one) COUNT*** No. There were Heavenly Kings long before Cain. stresses the importance of melatonin ingestion to most efficiently metabolize the intake of pineal gland secretions --- 'melatonin' meaning night worker or night laborer those with high melatonin output react negatively to sunlight ; they are 'night operatives' . . . 'by virtue of their bodily conditioning through supplementary melatonin and other hormonal secretions, they [grail kings] were in fact princes of darkness' COUNT I must admit that I have never liked the sunlight, and I highly prefer the night and darkness in general. I am and always have been what is termed a "night person", but "Princes of Darkness"? I'm sorry, but, it seems to me that Mr. Gardner is about to suggest that we are vampires of some sort. That is totally preposterous. We know that the melatonin our body produces can cause interesting anomalies when it is augmented by an external means. It is also believed that individuals with advanced psychic ability have higher output of melatonin than the ordinary person. I have never taken any melatonin, and my family has not been known to take it either, but there may be a possibility that it was taken in the past. I would think that whatever ability you would gain from it's application would have to already be present. In other words, an ordinary individual couldn't take a few pills and begin reading minds or using the Matrix. ancient egyptian court of the dragon (see part one) carried on after lapses of centuries : 15th century chancellor of dragon court was prince vlad III of transylvania-wallachia COUNT It sounds like Dracula is about to be brought up. Tales of vampirism have abounded in almost every civilization since the beginning of recorded history. I continue to see small pieces of truth wrapped in lies and exaggerations. I look forward to a time when the complete truth is known by all, but that time is not yet upon us. incursions into sumeria by akkadians, amorites, and elamits caused the civilization to decline ; thus, abraham leaves the city of ur COUNT* Why were there incursions? Why did Abram leave Ur? Look into this area as well. in time, the starfire 'cocktail'(see part one) was replaced by the eating of a white powder, monoatomic gold, to heighten consiousness COUNT* It seems to me that Gardner has confused the God's elixir of eternal life with what he calls the "starfire cocktail". We do not have the materials for the elixir. The white powder he speaks of, is
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: PEPIS - Blair's secret Turnberry trip
- SNETNEWS Mailing List Power Elite Public Information Service -- Probably the last ever post from PEPIS - thanks for your interest Please forward to those you feel may be interested and appropriate newsgroups Anticopyright for non-profit organisations only Others please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following article can be found at: http://www.tlio.demon.co.uk/1998.htm Bilderberg 1998, Blair's presence confirmed Blair playing fast and loose with the public Tony Gosling 24Dec98 Western democracy and press freedom has been undermined by British prime minister Tony Blair's clandestine presence at Scotland's 1998 Bilderberg meeting. Blair was widely thought to have attended Bilderberg back in 1993, before becoming prime minister, and rumours abound that he is a part of the West's most secretive power elite cabal. The Scottish revelation confirms the close connection. Since 1954 Bilderberg meetings have brought together the most powerful people in the western world: bankers, the press, corporate interests and top politicians, to discuss future policy. Democratic interests are in the minority. They are characterised by extremely high security and a secrecy which is almost absolute. Newspaper columnists who have mentioned Bilderberg have mysteriously 'lost their job'. For any that might doubt Blair's presence at the 1998 Bilderberg meeting, it has been possible to obtain testimony from a reliable source who uses Turnberry Hotel. Anyone who doubts the assertion can simply ask one of the many staff on duty that weekend. Blair's presence contrasts markedly with his answer to a written parliamentary question from Christopher Gill MP in March this year where he denied any of his government attended Bilderberg. William Hague, leader of the U.K. opposition appears on the 1998 Bilderberg attendance list but Blair is conspicuous by his absence. Could the organisers have forgotten to include the British prime minister on the list? Of course not. Blair's name on the list would make it much more difficult to justify the almost complete news blackout. This throws light upon the purpose of the issuing of an annual list of participants. These lists are marked 'confidential - not for circulation', certainly a contradiction in background for a press release. No explanation is given by the Bilderbergers for this apparent 'gagging order'. The press releases and participant lists are almost impossible for the public to obtain and aimed only for the eyes of top media bosses. They attempt to disconnect the meetings from world events and deny connections with the most powerful people in the world, current heads of state. Blair was supposed to have been at the G8 summit in Birmingham during the weekend of 16/17th May 1998. At the very moment 50,000 people, mainly Christians, surrounded the G8 conference centre begging 8 invisible world leaders for debt relief for the developing world, Blair may have been hundreds of miles away at the secret and concurrent Turnberry meeting. The revelation that the British prime minister attended the 1998 conference adds credibility to various commentators who purport to obtain eyebrow-raising, sometimes extremely worrying, 'leaks'. Indeed Jim Tucker from 'The Spotlight' magazine in the U.S. testified to Blair's presence in his article on the 1998 Bilderberg meeting published immediately after the event. This cannot but add credibility to Tucker's seemingly outlandish leaks from the Bilderberg Conferences, and adds credence to the 'colour' in articles purporting to be based on inside information. In one such example Blair was accused in Turnberry (over his reluctance to push Britain into European Monetary Union) of being "...a Maggie Thatcher in long pants". The Bilderbergers are widely reported to have been involved in the overthrow of Prime Minister Thatcher after she returned from an EMU discussion in Rome proclaiming "I refuse to hand over this sovereign nation to thirteen unelected bankers!" Another of Tucker's leaks this year was that Bilderbergers plan to establish "...a global criminal court that would be superior to the U.S. Supreme Court and to those of all nations" Press examination of meetings of the power elite is absolutely crucial because of the totalitarian 'top-down' structure of corporate interests that run the conference. For business representatives, their shareholders do not know they attend and for the politicians, the electorate are also in the dark. These meetings compromise both corporate and state accountability. One of the only participants interviewed at the Turnberry Conference sounded a note of warning when he called for more openness at Bilderberg. George Papandreou, Greek Minister of Foreign Affairs told Alistair McConnachie from The Social Crediter 'Be strongly critical, whatever you write!' So who else attends these
[CTRL] OEN 12/24/98
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - The Best of Seasons to All and on to the utmost of our best futures. Om K - Spy vs. Spy CIA Ignored Payments to Chinese Bribes for Satellite Contracts by Jeff Gerth WASHINGTON -- CIA officers in China told headquarters in March 1996 that a consultant for American aerospace companies had made payments to Chinese officials in hopes of getting lucrative contracts, U.S. intelligence officials say. The allegation, made in a secret cable, should have set off alarm bells. U.S. law bars companies or individuals from paying bribes overseas to secure contracts, and the CIA has agreed to share information about potential criminal activity with the Justice Department. But for reasons that remain unclear, the cable languished in CIA files for more than two years, the officials said. It was unearthed this year only after congressional committees began examining whether the Clinton administration had compromised national security in its zeal to promote high technology exports to China, the officials said. The consultant is Bansang Lee, a Chinese-American who worked for Hughes Space Communications and for Loral Space Communications. It is not clear whether the cable specifies on whose behalf Lee would have been making any payments to Chinese officials, or what kind of officials these were. Nor is it clear whose money the CIA believed it was, or how much money passed hands. Administration officials say the Justice Department is now examining Lee's activities more closely. His lawyer, Brian O'Neill, said his client "has never made any unlawful or improper payments of any kind to any Chinese official." Spokesmen for Hughes and Loral deny any wrongdoing but declined to discuss Lee's activities. A CIA official said the failure to pass the cable on to the Justice Department had been an oversight that was now being reviewed by the CIA's inspector general. But it marks the second time this year that CIA officials have acknowledged that they failed to disseminate potentially significant information about questionable dealings involving China and American satellite manufacturers. The incident also illustrates the pressures that confront American manufacturers as they compete with European companies for a share of a Chinese market in which individual satellite sales can be worth as much as $1 billion. Lee was born in China but educated in the United States, receiving a doctorate from Princeton University in electrical engineering. Industry executives say he served as a crucial intermediary between American companies and Chinese aerospace officials who on one hand were buying Western satellites and on the other hand marketing their country's ability to launch these satellites with China's own rockets. State Department documents and interviews with industry executives suggest that Lee appears to have had a hand in both endeavors. During his years working for Hughes, the company sold hundreds of millions of dollars in satellites and telecommunications equipment to Chinese concerns, and Loral made its first satellite sale to China after it hired Lee. When he was working at Loral, Lee suggested that the company help Chinese rocket scientists understand the causes of a failed satellite launch in 1996, according to State Department documents. Loral sent technicians to China, and their dealings with Chinese scientists, carried out without U.S. government approval, are now the focus of a criminal investigation and Congressional inquiries. A federal grand jury is examining whether Loral, in 1996, and Hughes, in an earlier accident investigation, illegally shared American expertise with China, helping it improve the reliability of their launchings of satellites and ballistic missiles. The companies deny any wrongdoing. That inquiry had its roots nearly a decade ago when American satellite manufacturers sought to do more business with China after the Bush administration approved the first launches of American satellites on Chinese rockets. Hughes was the first American satellite maker to establish a foothold in Beijing, and it opened a new office for Asian deals in Tokyo. The company hired Lee as a Hong Kong-based consultant in 1989, and by the early 1990s, former executives said, Hughes was seeking closer ties to the powerful China Aerospace Corp., which sells missiles, launches rockets and makes communications satellites. Lee was an ideal go-between. He had a close working relationship with Liu Jiyuan, the chairman of China Aerospace, a satellite industry executive said. Lee moved to Beijing in 1992 and the next year became a full-time Hughes employee, satellite executives said. One executive said the company was so pleased with the business that Lee had generated as a consultant that it failed to conduct a thorough background investigation before
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for the Public
-Caveat Lector- RoadsEnd wrote: After receiving independent counsel Kenneth Starr's report, House investigators conducted their own interviews with three women, two of whom had told Starr that Clinton pressured them not to reveal their relationships, House aides said on Wednesday. CNBC's ``Rivera Live'' reported on Wednesday that a total of 47 House Republicans, wavering before last week's impeachment vote, were secretly shown material gathered by attorneys for Paula Jones, which was ruled inadmissible and hearsay. Any censure would have to be strong enough to get some Republican support. Representative Lee Hamilton, an Indiana Democrat, said in an interview he had been talking with moderate Republicans and they insisted on two preconditions for a censure settlement -- for Clinton to acknowledge he lied and for him to pay some damages. They want the money compensation because they feel that since Republican Speaker Newt Gingrich had to pay costs when he was reprimanded by the House Clinton should also pay. ++ I love to hear people say that Clinton should be treated just like any other American. But it's obvious from what we read in the press, that he has not been afforded any of the safeguards required by the Constitution. And in addition, they want to fine him for trying to defend himself. Linda DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for the Public
-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor wrote: I love to hear people say that Clinton should be treated just like any other American. But it's obvious from what we read in the press, that he has not been afforded any of the safeguards required by the Constitution. And in addition, they want to fine him for trying to defend himself. MJ: SPECIFICALLY which of these have been circumvented? To my knowledge Mr. Bill has YET to be 'tried' for any offenses. Regard$, --MJ No man ought to be exempt from the ties of law; and the higher any man is, the more ties he ought to be under. All power ought to be balanced with equal restraints, else it will certainly grow mischievous. He who knows no law but his own lust, seldom observes any other. -- Cato's Letters DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cato News Releases (http://www.cato.org/new/catonew.html)
http://www.cato.org/new/catonew.html The Bill of Rights guarantees the right to trial by jury in "all criminal prosecutions." A criminal trial jury can nullify-render an independent verdict-by acquitting a defendant who may be factually guilty because the jurors feel that it would be unjust, unconstitutional or simply pointless to convict. Except for the President, elected by the people, of course. He doesn't have the right to claim 5th or 14th Amendment rights and can be deprived of his office without the exclusion of inadmissible evidence or without the right to confront the persons furnishing such "evidence". Cato News Releases.url
Re: [CTRL] OPINION POLLING -- MASS POLLUTION WITH AN AGENDA
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 2:57 PM Subject: [CTRL] OPINION POLLING -- MASS POLLUTION WITH AN AGENDA http://www.harborside.com/home/j/jollyroger/darkage.txt OPINION POLLING -- MASS POLLUTION WITH AN AGENDA In Reply: chain of thought - wanted to throw this out and see if anyone ran with it! Efficiency or Effectiveness - Is a artist efficient or effective? What is the definition of each? Efficient - cookie cutter modes, peer groups - sensationalism, because pride, individualism is cut out. In comparison the artist (no matter if they paint, write, play pool) to create in any way is seldom efficient during creation. If you have problems, misunderstandings etc - because you see things from another view point then you are not part of the peer group, which is suppose to be efficient. The true artist can easily do without sex because the kind of awe that comes from being part of things is given through their art. Efficient, peer group, politically correct cookie modes lose the creativeness, never have a chance to find it, or think that their ideas are without merit. They are more willing to follow because they have gotten in trouble for not following. ADD / ADHD is a good example. In Science, and the ideas that allow you to think that way - you are required to be creative, to make hypothesis and think of ways to disprove those hypothesis(es). To have imaginative / magical thinking and then see if it will hold up. I love fiction but I know that many have considered it to be a waste of time. Yet, writers can have that creative streak too. Do not intellectualize the Bible and only read the New Testament and... So when did they start putting out the New Testament by it's self? Laura Education: A House of Mirrors http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for the Public
-Caveat Lector- Linda Minor wrote: I love to hear people say that Clinton should be treated just like any other American. But it's obvious from what we read in the press, that he has not been afforded any of the safeguards required by the Constitution. And in addition, they want to fine him for trying to defend himself. MJ: SPECIFICALLY which of these have been circumvented? To my knowledge Mr. Bill has YET to be 'tried' for any offenses. Linda Minor wrote: Exactly. But any "accused" has the right to presumption of innocence after indictment and can prevent the jury from hearing any hearsay evidence before the trial. If necessary the jury can be sequestered to prevent such inadmissible evidence from tainting their opinions. This whole procedure is a farce. MJ: An Impeachment trial is NOT the same as a trial in a court of law. The only 'farce' would be a 'resolve' without a trial. MJ quotes: No man ought to be exempt from the ties of law; and the higher any man is, the more ties he ought to be under. All power ought to be balanced with equal restraints, else it will certainly grow mischievous. He who knows no law but his own lust, seldom observes any other. -- Cato's Letters Linda Minor wrote: So are you saying the president does not deserve to be treated like any other American citizen? That we can convict him in the press on hearsay evidence. If he defends himself, he can be fined the cost it takes to railroad him without a trial? MJ: Where exactly did I state any of this? Who is suggesting 'railroad him without a trial'? There has been some banter suggesting he 'reimburse' court costs for 'misleading' the investigation -- much like the 100% acquitted Newt Gingrich (though I fail to see the correlation). Linda Minor asked: And who, pray tell, is Cato? Cato the Elder or Cato the Censor (Marcus Porcius Cato), 234-149 B.C., Roman statesman and moralist. He fought in the Second Punic War and later served as consul (195) and censor (184). He was renowned for his devotion to the old Roman ideals-simplicity of life, honesty, and courage. He told the senate to destroy Carthage and thus helped to bring on the Third Punic War, in which Carthage was vanquished. He also wrote many works, most of which are now lost. Cato the Younger or Cato of Utica (Marcus Porcius Cato), 95 B.C.-46 B.C., Roman statesman, was the great-grandson of Cato the Elder. He showed an intense devotion to the principles of the early republic. He had one of the greatest reputations for honesty and incorruptibility of anyone in ancient times, and his Stoicism put him above the graft and bribery of his day. His politics were extremely conservative. Thus he opposed Julius Caesar and supported Pompey. After Pompey's defeat at Pharsala in 48 B.C., Cato went to Africa to continue the struggle and took command at Utica. When Caesar clearly had gained power, Cato committed suicide, bidding his people make their peace with Caesar. Regard$, --MJ If he ever violates the laws, one of two things will happen: He shall come to the head of his army to carry everything before him; or, he will give bail, or do what Mr. Chief Justice will order him. If he be guilty, will not the recollection of his crimes teach him to make one bold rush for the American throne? Will not the immense difference between being master of everything, and being ignominiously tried and punished, powerfully excite him to make this bold push? But, Sir, where is the existing force to punish him? Can he not at the head of his army beat down every oppposition? Away with your President, we shall have a King: The army will salute him Monarch; your militia will leave you and assist in making him King, and fight against you: And what have you to oppose this force? What then will become of your rights? Will not absolute despotism ensue? ... This, Sir, is my great objection to the Constitution, that there is no true responsibility - and that the preservation of our liberty depends on the single chance of men being virtuous enough to make laws to punish themselves. -- Patrick Henry Anti-Federalist Speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1788 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To
Re: [CTRL] The Cato Center for Trade Policy Studies (http://www.freetrade.org/)
-Caveat Lector- Ah yes. Another term for world government by the multi-national corporations. ESAD DAN -Original Message- From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 12:21 PM Subject: [CTRL] The Cato Center for Trade Policy Studies (http://www.freetrade.org/) http://www.freetrade.org/ Ah, yes, free trade. Another term for drug smuggling and money laundering. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Beast of the Month - December 1998
Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com http://www.konformist.com/botm/volume02/botm1298.htm A Konformist Special Beast of the Month - December 1998 Congressman Henry Hyde, Two-Faced GOP Leader "I yam an anti-Christ..." John Lydon (aka Johnny Rotten) of The Sex Pistols, "Anarchy in the UK" "If this becomes the occasion to conduct civil war by other means, we will have a weakened Presidency and do no credit to ourselves. We will also weaken the confidence of other people and other nations that our democracy can really work. Our Founding Fathers fashioned this country so that there would be tensions between the executive and legislative branches. But there are creative tensions and there are destructive tensions." Congressman Henry Hyde, during the Iran-Contra hearings Until this last election, no party holding the White House has gained seats in a midterm election since 1934, with an average loss of 27 seats. That stat doesn't explain just how unlikely the event is, as 1934 came on the heels of the extremely popular New Deal program of FDR. Further, not since 1822 (176 years for those counting) has the party in the White House picked up seats in the middle of the second term of a President. With that kind of precedent alone, a Republican smash should have been expected, but compound that with the fact that the Democrats are lead by an already mistrusted character who, rather than offering a New Deal, had admitted less than three months before the election that he received a blowjob in the Oval Office with a college age intern and then lied about it under oath (well, actually he didn't owe up to lying, which makes it even worse) and it is clear that the GOP should have crushed the Democrats badly. And yet, they didn't. Granted, there has been some hype over the results of this election: despite the minor losses of seats in the House of Representatives and the wash in the Senate, the GOP still controls both houses of Congress, as well as over 60 percent of all state governorships. But aside from the perhaps disturbing victory of two of George Bush's sons in Texas and Florida for the respective governor's race, 1998 was an embarrassing year for the Republicans. Among the more notable results: * In Washington State, Incumbent Patty Murray beat U.S. Rep. Linda Smith, a Christian right conservative, and her group of devoted supporters known as "Linda's Army". * In California, limousine-liberal Barbara Boxer staged a come-from-behind win against challenger Matt Fong. * Also in California, Loretta Sanchez whipped Robert "B-1 Bob" Dornan in Orange County (who still insists he's a victim of a "conspiracy" of liberals and Hispanics to get him out of office through vote fraud) in their rematch, a loss that will hopefully end his loud-mouthed, buffoonish political career. * In New York, in what may have been the ultimate "Stalin vs. Hitler" choice of the year, the ethically dubious Senator Pothole Al D'Amato lost decisively to Charles Schumer, who is most noted for his vicious attack on the victims of the Waco massacre. * In North Carolina, Lauch Faircloth (whose chum, David Sentelle, appointed Kenneth Starr and helped create the whole Peckergate scandal) was upended by challenger John Edwards. * Finally, again in California and perhaps most important of all, Gray Davis (a "New Democrat" of the Klinton mode sans the charisma) whipped the oily and frighteningly reactionary California Attorney General Dan Lungren by 20 points, in what was labeled by George Will as "the big prize." giving California a Democrat governor for the first time in sixteen years, back when a man named Jerry Brown was dating Linda Rondstadt. Needless to say, the results were devastating. About the only thing that could've made things worse would be if the GOP had been foolish enough to run Dr. Death's lawyer in a race (whoops, that actually was the Democrats, in one of their few more notable defeats.) But it was bad enough that Newt Gingrich felt compelled to resign, proving that the only sin punishable in politics isn't lying or adultery, but failure. All of this brings up a good question: what the hell happened? The answer to this can certainly be debated, but one answer that seems likely comes from none other than Michael Moore, the award-winning documentary film director of "Roger Me", "The Big One", and the t.v. show "TV Nation". On October 8, in what amounts to the second most famous email of the year (after Matt Drudge's scoop on the Lewinsky affair), Michael Moore urged people to vote a straight Democratic ticket in November, in part to take over the party, and in part as a repudiation of what he felt were blatantly sleazy tactics by the GOP. His strategy can be questioned, but it is clear that his message resonated with many: whatever faults Slick Willie may have (and they are many), he still was elected to the White House by the
[CTRL] Iraq
-Caveat Lector- Global Intelligence Update Red Alert December 22, 1998 Signs Finally Emerge of Coup Threat to Saddam Hussein On December 20, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein declared that Iraq had emerged "victorious" after Operation Desert Fox, the 70-hour aerial bombardment of Iraq by the United States and the United Kingdom. In a speech broadcast on Qatar's Al-Jazira satellite television, Saddam praised Arab people for their "support of Iraq in the face of aggression" but attacked "the weak, the two-faced, the grudge bearers and the traitors." Saddam has survived the latest round of U.S. led military attacks, aimed ostensibly at his weapons of mass destruction. However, those attacks apparently had a secondary goal -- supporting a coup attempt launched from within Iraq. Judging from Saddam's statement and other evidence from within Iraq, the second goal may be bearing fruit. Fears of a coup have prompted a large number of purges in Iraq since the end of the 1991 Gulf War. The commanders of military units have been liquidated many times, with units reorganized for fear that they may rise up against him. Prior to Desert Fox, the Iraqi military experienced another purge -- one strikingly different for its extent and the accompanying directives. The Iraqi armed forces are composed of five regular army corps, five "regular" Republican Guard divisions, and one "special" Republican Guard division. Before Operation Desert Fox, the regular army corps were deployed along Iraq's borders. This has not changed. In northern Iraq, the 1st and 5th corps are stationed around the cities of Krkuk and Mosul in order to protect against Turkish incursions and to guard the oilfields of this area from the depredations of Kurdish militias. The 3rd and 4th corps were deployed in southern Iraq along the Kuwaiti and Iranian borders, respectively, to guard these oil rich areas from Shiite opposition groups in south-central Iraq. The 2nd corps is stationed directly to the east of Baghdad to protect the eastern flank from Iranian incursions directed against Iraq or against Iranian opposition groups based inside Iraq. Shadowing these army corps were divisions of Iraq's elite "regular" Republican Guard divisions. Since they are the best- paid and best-equipped divisions, the Republican Guard divisions reinforced the regular army corps in case of attack. But they also served to monitor any corps commander that evidenced even the slightest inclination to march on Baghdad. This is why the Republican Guard divisions were always physically stationed between the regular army units and Baghdad. In this way, the regular Republican Guard keeps an eye on any over-zealous commander. One or two of these regular Republican Guard divisions were always kept around the Shiite areas of Najaf and Karbala, for fear of an Iranian-backed Shiite uprising. The "special" Republican Guard division was stationed in Baghdad proper and operated as a fail-safe mechanism by providing a final line of defense against a coup led by a commander of a regular Republican Guard division. It also was the key unit that ran the concealment operation for Iraq's weapon's of mass destruction (WMD) operations. Because of the role of the special Republican Guard, it was the most likely one to have been directly targeted by U.S./British strikes. Immediately in advance of the commencement of Desert Fox, Saddam Hussein issued a number of directives altering this structure. The commanders of the regular army corps were placed under regional commanders who were recruited from among Saddam's closest aides. And units of the regular Republican Guard were all redeployed to Baghdad and to southern Iraq. The first directive dealt with the command of regular army and naval forces. It stated that "until further notice, four regional commands shall be established." The first command, the Northern Command, is responsible for the northern half of Iraq and includes the 1st and 5th corps. The Northern Command was given to Staff General Izzat Ibrahim, the second in command in Iraq, and the person that was allegedly the target of an assassination attempt last month. The second, the Southern Command, was placed under, a new commander, Staff General Ali- Hasan al-Majid. The Southern Command controls the area closest to the Iranian and Kuwait borders and has direct control of the Iraqi 3rd and 4th corps and the small Iraqi navy. The third is the Central Euphrates command. This command included the Shiite districts of south central Iraq and came under the command of Muhammad Hamzah al-Zubayadi, an individual who is not a military figure but a member of the Baath party. The are no units attached to his command. The reasons for this are clear, as there are no regular army units regularly stationed in that area. However, at present, two Republican Guard divisions are reportedly in the vicinity and under the direct command of Saddam's son, Quasay Hussein. The last, and
[CTRL] Drug Tit Gets Bigger
-Caveat Lector- Federal (Feral) Police plan their attack on the citizens of Appalachia. Your tax dollars at work paying for more Police State abuse of our fellow citizens. It is becoming more apparent that the "War On Drugs" is the biggest rip off of individual rights and taxpayers money in the history of our country. How many 100,000's of cops, lawyers, politicians are on the Drug Tit? Drug Cop Welfare, the real Welfare Ripoff! FLW Appalachia: Under the Gun Paul Lewin, Common Sense For Drug Policy, http://www.csdp.org In May of this year, the Federal Government designated 65 counties of Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia in the Appalachian Mountain Range, a High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (HIDTA). This means that the DEA, ATF, FBI, IRS, National Park Service, U.S. Forest Service and the U.S. Attorney's Office will coordinate with each other, and the local sheriffs, police departments, and DAs to stomp out all forms of drug production, trafficking and use. The designation also comes with a $6 million federal grant as "seed money" to set up the new agency with staff, computer equipment, offices and the typical array of vehicles. If past experiences are any guide to what the residents of Appalachia can expect, the alphabet soup of law enforcement agencies will set up road blocks on rural roads to perform search and seizure sweeps, armed men in camouflage with automatic weapons will patrol by helicopter, and a small army of undercover narcotics agents will set up local men and women for arrest. Poverty and Little Economic Opportunity Cited As Justification The federal government's labeling of 65 counties in 3 states as a High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area would seem to imply that violent gangs and Colombian drug cartels were terrorizing millions of residents of Appalachia, necessitating a massive federal response. In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. In the official 'Appalachia HIDTA FY 98 - Threat Abstract,' the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) states that Appalachia warrants a federal crackdown because "in this tri-state area financial development is limited, poverty is rampant, and jobs are few. Marijuana has become a substantial component of the local economy, surpassing even tobacco as the largest cash crop. This has contributed to a high level of community acceptance of marijuana production, distribution, and consumption. Many honest local merchants do not recognize signs of illegal drug enterprises and in effect help launder drug proceeds. In such an environment eradication and interdiction efforts are difficult, as is obtaining intelligence, indictments, or an unbiased jury." In other words, people are poor, locals aren't that concerned about residents who are doing this, and people aren't informing on their friends and neighbors to the extent that the government desires. The economic stress felt by the residents of Appalachia is not adequately described in the ONDCP's "Threat Assessment." In reviewing the latest census data, one quickly notices that these folks aren't just poor, this is one of the most economically deprived regions of America. West Virginia ranks dead-last (50th) for median household income and unemployment (48.6% of the civilian population was unemployed in 1996 - of course, prisoners aren't counted). Kentucky and Tennessee are also in the bottom 10% of the nation for median household income, and they rank 8th and 11th, respectively, in the nation for the highest number of infant deaths per 1,000 live births. In fact the only categories where these three states lead the nation is in their percentage of public aid recipients, their percentage of population living below the poverty line, and in teen pregnancy. Of course, the 65 counties designated as HIDTA, have fared even worse. The New War on the Poor In the 1960s, federal officials toured Appalachia and witnessed its tragic poverty. The attention brought to it shocked America, which overall was enjoying an era of unprecedented economic growth and prosperity. Together, the federal government and the people of America vowed to fight a War on Poverty so that all Americans would have an equal opportunity in life. In that era, roads were built, schools provided, and utilities like clean water and electricity reached deep into Appalachia to bring relief. In the 1990s, we live in another era of unprecedented economic prosperity, yet this new War on Poverty has taken an ominous turn, courtesy of the War on Drugs. Rather than respond to the economic disparity which still plagues most of the region with investment and development, the federal government intends to respond by arresting fathers and mothers (creating a generation of Drug War orphans), seizing family homes, cars and businesses. Rather than small business loans or investment in infrastructure, federal dollars will be spent on guns, prisons and payoffs to informants. Citizen Observation Groups Can Work
[CTRL] Fw: Arafat Sick - Push for ''Final Settlement'' Urgently Proceeds - MER FlashBack
-Caveat Lector- AER The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust -- From: MER FlashBack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Arafat Sick - Push for ''Final Settlement'' Urgently Proceeds - MER FlashBack Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 9:39 AM - ___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\ F L A S H B A C K www.MiddleEast.Org A R A F A TS I C K ___ TO RECEIVE MER REGULARLY EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know from Independent Middle East Experts Around the World. Oringinally published 11/11/97: A R A F A TS I C K : . THE RACE FOR "FINAL SETTLEMENT" WHILE ARAFAT CAN BE USED MER - Washington - 11 November, 1997: Whatever they admit to in public, there is actually a great eagerness and sense of urgency among many Israelis and Americans to "conclude" a "final settlement" with the Palestinians poste haste. They know the Arab world is not likely to ever be so disunited and impotent again as it is today. They know that for the foreseeable future the Palestinians are not likely to ever be in a weaker position or so badly led than they are today. They know that the United Nations has been humbled and controlled by Washington; and that this situation will not continue indefinitely. They know that the Gulf Arab "client-regimes" are shaking and may not last very far into the next millennium. And they also know that unless some kind of "peace" is achieved in the Middle East region -- however illusory it might be -- an arms race involving missiles and weapons of mass destruction will escalate far beyond its current dimensions. Most importantly they know that Yasser Arafat represents their best hope of getting the Palestinians to live as Indians on Reservations, as Blacks on Bantustans, even while proclaiming that they have achieved some kind of statehood -- however illusory. Hence, concerns over Arafat's health are quite substantial, no matter what is said in public. This important article is from the LONDON SUNDAY TIMES last Sunday: ARAFAT: FEARS OF PARKINSON'S ARAFAT HEALTH SCARE PUTS PEACE PROCESS IN JEOPARDY by Andy Goldberg Uzi Mahnaimi YASSER ARAFAT, the Palestinian leader, is suffering from Parkinson's disease, according to a report compiled by Israeli military intelligence. He is receiving treatment for symptoms of tremor and muscular rigidity but shows no sign of becoming incapacitated, it claims. Palestinian officials have previously dismissed suggestions that Arafat's health is declining, saying they are the result of a disinformation campaign by Israel to destabilise the Palestinian government. However, sources familiar with the report, drawn up by Amman, Israel's military intelligence branch, describe it as "raw intelligence" from an extensive dossier on the medical and psychological profiles of prominent figures worldwide. The report emphasizes that "in spite of the symptoms, Arafat's mental and psychological functions show no signs of deterioration". It says it could be years before Parkinson's, a progressive disease of the nervous system, renders him incapable of fulfilling his duties. According to the report, Arafat, 68, is being treated with L-dopa, a drug used in Parkinson's patients to counter weakness and tremor caused by deficiencies of a compound called dopamine that affects impulses between nerves and muscles. It also claims that Arafat is suffering from sclerosis - abnormal hardening - of the brain tissue. The diagnosis will come as no surprise to those who have seen him at close quarters in recent months. In September he collapsed at an Arab League meeting in Cairo. He fainted at a session of the Palestinian legislative council last month and was taken to hospital. Those who have met Arafat in recent weeks say he sometimes has difficulty in speaking. His lower lip, hands and feet tremble involuntarily and his memory is said to lapse. The intelligence report indicates that his handwriting has changed and his face has become frozen, a typical side effect of Parkinson's. His gait and posture are said to have stiffened and his eyes are sometimes fixed on a point in the distance. The report concludes that he is in constant
[CTRL] Quotae
-Caveat Lector- For anyone who's in need of researching their recollection for the specificity of the statements which may in question ... Damn!! They missed Starr-Boie!! From AFP (via Yahoo!) Thursday December 24, 2:30 PM Quotes of 1998 PARIS, Dec 24 (AFP) - They said it. In confidence or for the cameras. Off the cuff or carefully scripted. With their careers on the line or their tongue in their cheek. In desperation, in anger or in pain. These are some of the sayings that marked 1998, summing up the year's drama and ironies in the words in which they are likely to be remembered. ++ I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anyone to lie, not a single time, never. -- President Bill Clinton after the first reports of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. ++ I'll never wash it again. -- Monica Lewinsky on the semen-stained dress seized as evidence by special counsel Kenneth Starr. ++ You'd think the boy would learn. -- Gennifer Flowers, former lover of Bill Clinton. ++ We elected a president, not a pope. -- Singer Barbara Streisand defending Bill Clinton. ++ It was like the American dream in reverse. We woke up poor. -- Russian victim of collapse of the ruble. ++ Thank you, Helmut, that's enough. -- Gerhard Schroeder during the election campaign in which he ended Helmut Kohl's 16 years as Chancellor. ++ In order to move things forward you have to talk with terrorists. -- Marjorie Mowlam, British Northern Ireland Secretary. ++ The mother of all treachery. -- Protestant leader Ian Paisley on the Northern Ireland peace accord. ++ I was hurt and bewildered. -- Former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet on being arrested in London. ++ Like all false gods, she could not last. -- Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Coggan on Diana, Princess of Wales, a year after her death. ++ Yes to the market economy. No to the market society. -- French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin. ++ The good Lord didn't want me, but nor did the devil. So I came back. -- French Interior Minister Jean-Pierre Chevenement on emerging from an eight-day coma caused by an allergy to an anaesthetic. ++ You can do a lot with diplomacy, but you can do a lot more with diplomacy backed up by force. -- UN Secretary General Kofi Annan on the weapons inspection deal agreed with Iraq. ++ We did not go to Wye Plantation to discuss the release of car thieves. -- Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erakat on Israel's refusal to include political prisoners among those being released from Israeli jails. ++ Mitch killed them and I'm asking God for the strength to bear such pain. -- Nicaraguan Juan Espinoza, whose six children were buried in a landslide caused by Hurricane Mitch. ++ We have a big bomb now. -- Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee after India conducted five nuclear tests. (Later officially corrected to: "We have the capacity for a big bomb now"). ++ Everything was due to my lack of ability. -- Ryutaro Hashimoto, stepping down as Japanese prime minister. ++ From our experience, we have a very clear recognition that nuclear bombs and human beings cannot coexist. -- Iccho Itoh, mayor of Nagasaki, Japan. ++ Someone who is an exact replica of myself. -- Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed on the ideal candidate to be his deputy. ++ We own practically everything in the Philippines. -- Former Philippine first lady Imelda Marcos. ++ With me, my women never complained. -- Philippines President Joseph Estrada when asked to compare himself with US President Bill Clinton. ++ You should not imagine that there is no ideological education in capitalist countries. -- Chinese President Jiang Zemin urging his Politburo colleagues to see the film "Titanic" as a parable of class divisions. ++ I'm king of the world. -- "Titanic" director James Cameron after his film scooped eight Academy Awards. ++ My immediate response was an overwhemming desire to go out and score a load of cocaine in rebellion. -- Actress Emma Thompson on being proposed as a role model for young girls. ++ I'll never forgive them. -- French trainer Aime Jacquet on sceptics in the local press after his team had beaten Brazil 3-0 to lift the soccer World Cup. ++ Before the game we are going to shake hands and at the end I would like to trade jerseys with an Iranian player. -- US soccer player Ernie Stewart before the US-Iran World Cup encounter in France. ++ I love tackling, love it. It's better than sex. -- England soccer star Paul Ince. ++ If they were wild animals you'd put them to sleep. -- Formula 1 driver Michael Schumacher on German hooligans. ++ I think I can describe this affair as a mere sideshow. -- Jean-Claude Killy, President of the Tour de France, after leading race masseur Willy Voet was arrested with a large haul of performance-enhancing drugs. ++ Eat fish and more fish. -- Ahmed Rashid bin Aboud, of the United Arab Emirates, on how he fathered 23 sons and 23 daughters from eight wives without any need for the
[CTRL] Heavenly Host
-Caveat Lector- A very Merry Christmas to all... June (\ _ /) ( \ O / ) (// \\) X / \ /___\ " And suddenly, there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." _ /) (\ _ (\ _ (\ _ /) o / ) _ /) ( \ c ( \ c ( \ O / ) \/)\) _ /) o / ) (\ _ (/(\/ (/(\/ (\ _ (// \\)|\ o / ) \/)\) _ /) ( \ c /| /| ( \ c X | \ \/)\) |\ o / ) (/(\/ / |/ | (/(\// \ |__\ |\ | \ \/)\) /| /__| /__| /|/___\ " | \|__\ |\ / | " " / | " |__\" | \ /__| /__|_ /) " =_ |__\ " (\ _ " o / ) _ /)||\ " (\ _ (\ _ ( \ c (\ _ \/)\) o / )|||\ _ /) ( \ c ( \ c (/(\/ ( \ c_ /) |\\/)\) \O/ ) (/(\/ (/(\//| (/(\/ o / ) | \|\ \/\ ) /| /|/ | /| \/)\) |__\ | \ // \ ) / |/ | /__|/ ||\ " |__\ |||/ __\| /__| /__| "/__|| \ " |__: //| | " " (\ _ " |__\ (\ _( \ c " ! - ( \ c (\ _ (/(\/\ _ /) ( ) (/(\/ ( \ c/| ___ \O / ) -\ _ /) /| (/(\/ / | / \/|) ) - \O / ) / | /| /__|| ./||\ ) _ ( )/)\) /__|/ |" \___/ | \/\ | (_) -\/|\ "/__|/|\ |__\ -- | | \ (\ _ " " /|\|__\ ( \O __(\ _ /)" ( /\/ (\_-_) ( \O/@ ) (\_ /) ( / \_( \O /___| ( _|/_ ) \ _ /)( O @ ) |/__( /_oo-#=| (/( )_\ \-O/ ) _ /) ( \|_ ) | |\\ :|(/| \/ _ /) ;/_)_(_ \_\ ) O/ ) ( / |_\ (\ _||__ |O/ ) _( ) \|\) /| ) / ( ) ( \O / | |\\ =#-@@| ) / / / __\ / |\ ) ;/__)_( ( /_oo-#=\/ |\ ) _ /) //| | __||V ( ) (/| \/ (\ _ __||V ___O / )//| | _ /) /_|_| ||__ ( \O / //| | \ \/ ) _ /))==O / ) ' ' | |\\ ( /_oo-#= |\ ) O/ ) \/)\) _ /) (\ _ (/| \/ __||V /| )| .-O/ ) ( \O /||__ ejm97 //| | / |\ ) __|| (=) ) ) ( /_oo-#= | |\\ __||V //| | \(/|\) (/| \///| | ___|| ||__ // | | | |\\ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Iraq: Attack of the Hormones?
-Caveat Lector- Of course, another way to look is from the optimistic perspective. Why are Americans expected to be in charge of the world. One comment I heard after the decline and fall of the Wall was there were no more clear-cut or well-defined "enemies" any longer. What effect has the reduction of the DoD budget had on the economy? On the military? I read recently where the services are having recruitment and retention problems. Time for a "bogey-man" for the New Millenium? The old adage of good fences making good neighbours may have some relationship to the Wall and the divisions represented by it. The Soviets may be making a come-back (looking at some of the current leaders). The CIA is in Israel (Wye ?). And this whole Arabian Nightmare is still referred to as being the "original" policy put in place back in aught-91. I also tend to lean toward the "oil" question: Baker (or some Bush-ite) was quoted back then as saying the whole deal was about oil. The Caspian oil fields are being developed and now they're looking for an outlet, Turkey or Iran. Turkey just had a spat with the Syrians about the Kurds which are being spanked by the Turks in Iraq as well. Iran wants the Iraqis neuter-alised as well. Either way, to get the oil out of the one-time Soviet republic through Turkey or Iran without restriction, they have to have a nice, pleasant, docile neighbour. Enter Bush (Jr)? From another discussion / post and the news agencies identified: Iranian in London urges exiled Iraqis to unite By Paul Taylor LONDON, Dec 17 (Reuters) - An Iranian official met Iraqi opposition leaders in London this week and urged them not to miss the opportunity to unite against President Saddam Hussein, participants said on Friday. Ali Agha Mohammadi also met British Foreign Office Minister Derek Fatchett, who has himself been trying to unite the Iraqi opposition, diplomats said. The Iranian Embassy said Mohammadi was deputy head of political affairs at Iranian radio and television, but Iraqi exiles said he was also a key adviser on Iraq to Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. ``He heads the committee in Iran that liaises with the Iraqi opposition,'' one source said. Mohammadi met Fatchett briefly on Thursday, the day Britain joined the United States in air strikes on Iraq, and made no criticism of the bombing, a British official said. At a meeting with representatives of several groups the previous night, just as the first U.S. cruise missiles were hitting Baghdad, Mohammadi said Tehran was keen to see Iraqis unite but had no ambition to dominate the Iraqi opposition. ``He said we should not miss the opportunity to do the right thing at the right time,'' said Hamid al-Bayati of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Resistance in Iraq (SCIRI). SCIRI and another, more radical Shi'ite Moslem opposition group, al-Dawwa, are based in Iran. Another participant who asked not to be identified said Mohammadi had noted an undoubted change of U.S. attitude towards Iraq, saying the administration now seemed to be serious about getting rid of Saddam. He quoted the Iranian official as saying Washington had experience in confronting the Iraqi regime and its intelligence understood what Baghdad was doing. ``The timing of this visit is significant and no coincidence,'' the participant said. Washington and London have openly declared their desire to see Saddam replaced. U.S. and British junior ministers met opposition groups last month to urge them to forge a more united, credible front. The United States has recently encouraged Iran publicly to assist the Iraqi opposition, although U.S. officials have in the past been extremely wary of Tehran-based Iraqi Shi'ite groups. Patrick Clawson, director of studies at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, said he had been involved in inviting the leader of the moderate Shi'ite opposition, Mohammad Baqer al-Hakim, to visit Washington. Hakim had been offered a meeting with Secretary of State Madeleine Albright but had held out for an invitation to the White House, Clawson said. In an interview with the Iran News daily published three weeks ago, Hakim said that while outside forces could help redress the imbalance between Saddam and the opposition, he was against any overt U.S. role in overthrowing the Iraqi ruler. And from Associated Press: This story is important because the U.S. want to route Caspian oil (reportedly the LARGEST reserves in the world) through Turkey, just north of the border with Syria. But Syria is feuding with Turkey; Iraq (also on the border with Turkey) needs continued neutralisation (as in "neutering") and resolution of the Kurd problem involves redirecting them BACK into Iraq. The whole story on Caspian oil can be found @ the Wash (DC) Post. Thursday December 17 2:33 AM ET Iran Said To Be Best Asia Oil Route TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - President Mohammad Khatami says Iran is likely to emerge as the main route for Central
[CTRL] Hillary smacks Bill
http://www.drudgereport.com/ DRUDGE REPORT THU DEC 24, 1998 16:08:55 UTC REPORT: WHITE HOUSE FIGHT; SECRET SERVICE PULLS FURIOUS FIRST LADY OFF PRESIDENT Hillary Clinton has finally snapped! The NATIONAL ENQUIRER is set to report in its January 5, 1999 edition: The First Lady has physically attacked the President, hitting him so hard she left a visible mark on his face -- and Secret Service agents had to separate them. The DRUDGE REPORT trusts the account to be accurate and non-libelous because the NATIONAL ENQUIRER and President Bill Clinton use the same law firm, Williams Connolly! In fact, Clinton's private lawyer, David Kendall, has directly done work for the tabloid through the years. "Keep that bitch away from me!" Bill Clinton told one Secret Service agent. One inside source tells the ENQUIRER that the White House became a battleground since the impeachment controversy moved into overdrive. "The verbal fights between Bill and Hillary have been escalating and now the President has been physically assaulted." "Hillary just snapped. She lost it and smacked the President upside the head. He was stunned. The hit was so hard it left a visible bruise, and he put on makeup for several days to cover the red spot." The DRUDGE REPORT has learned that the ENQUIRER is planning to run the account in a Cover Page Screamer. "Secret Service agents had to physically separate them to keep the apart. Hillary went off to another room. At one point the President old an agent, 'Keep that bitch away from me. I don't want to do anything that'll get me in more trouble." The ENQUIRER reveals that just hours before the couple walked out of the White House holding hands after the impeachment vote on December 19, there was an explosion in the Presidential quarters -- the First Lady was doing most of the screaming. The tabloid also claims that Bill Clinton is back on the fast food train! "The President is a mess. He's been gorging on fast foods again," an insider tells the ENQUIRER in the special report. Impacting on newsstands next monday.
[CTRL] Christmas Star
-Caveat Lector- Astronomers explain Christmas star Tuesday, 22 December 1998 15:45 (GMT) (UPI Focus) Astronomers explain Christmas star DECATUR, Ga., Dec. 22 (UPI) - A modern-day astronomer says it is almost certain that strange lights lit up the night sky sometime between 2,004 and 2,040 years ago - at least enough to startle professional astrologers in what is now Iraq or Iran. Chris Depress, an astronomer at Agnes Scott College in suburban Atlanta, says there were lunar eclipses, a supernova recorded by the Chinese and several other celestial phenomena during the period that roughly coincides with the Biblical date of the birth of Jesus. The Magi - a sect of astrologers and sorcerers - probably trekked from their homeland to Bethlehem trying to catch up with the unusual light in the sky, Depree says. They may have been drawn by a lunar eclipse recorded by Roman historian Josephus Flavius. The Roman wrote that Herod died a few days before Passover following that eclipse. "There were two lunar eclipses that took place around that time, and the likely match is the one that occurred on March 13 of 4 B.C.," DePree told United Press International. "That event would place the birth of Jesus a few years earlier, somewhere around 7 or 6 B.C." Chinese historians recorded the sighting of a supernova - the sudden brightening of a known star - about the same time, DePree says. There are also ancient historical accounts of several bright comets that could have been visible in the Middle East. The famed early astronomer Johannes Kepler discovered that a "triple conjunction of the planets Jupiter and Saturn" occurred roughly in the same period, says DePree. A triple conjunction is when two planets come close three times over a period of several months. There is no doubt that this happened, DePree says, because past and future movements of the planets and Earth's moon are perfectly predictable. DePree adds: "It's pretty much a clockwork, and you can rewind that to 4 B.C. and say, 'Hey, there was a lunar eclipse. We know from history when Herod died, and that there was a census.' There is a big historical record on the era of Ceasar Augustus." The Magi would have been certain to notice an event most people would have missed, such as a triple conjunction, DePree says. And it's likely, he adds, that as court astrologers trained to see good or evil portents in such signs, they would have headed east to try to get a closer look. "To them, it would have been a huge event," DePree says. Dr. Oded Borowski, a professor of biblical history and archaeology at Atlanta's Emory University, says there is no hard "extra-Biblical evidence" for the birth of Jesus, though historians recorded many events that occurred around the reputed time of his birth. "If Jesus was born, there is nothing in history recording it," Borowski says. According to DePree's calculations, Jupiter and Saturn approached each other in the spring, fall and early winter in 7 B.C. "It is possible that the first of these three conjunctions started the Magi on their journey to Bethlehem, and the final one marked their arrival," he says. Anthony Aveni, a professor or anthropology and astronomy at Colgate University, writes in this month's journal Archaeology that the Magi, familiar with Jewish tradition, would have known that Jupiter was considered "a lucky star." When early Christians began to believe in the divinity of Jesus, it would have been natural to "have looked for a celestial event to connect with his birth, like our relating Comet Hale-Bopp to the death of Princess Diana." The quest for an explanation for the star of Bethlehem, Aveni says, is "like searching for unicorns" and tells "us more about what lies in ourselves rather than in our stars." Depree doesn't see it that way. "In my mind, we're never going to know what it was," he says. And to believers, he adds, "it doesn't really matter." -- Copyright 1998 by United Press International. All rights reserved. ~~~ From the Urantia Book.. 8. THE BIRTH OF JESUS All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger. In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus). The next day after the birth of Jesus, Joseph made his enrollment. Meeting a man they had talked with two nights previously at Jericho, Joseph was taken by him to a
Re: [CTRL] Merry Christmas Eve to all
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