Re: [CTRL] Big Media pushing Liddy Dole to succeed Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 4 Jan 99 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is Big Media pushing Liddy Dole on the eve of the impeachment trial when her hubby came out against impeachment? And pray tell, what are Liddy Dole's QUALIFICATIONS for being President other than being a high-profile wife of a Washington establishment insider heading a major bureaucracy?? Ah, those Trilateralists at work again... I suppose they're thinking that the election of a Bush is just a little too obvious for a public, enlightened by internet discussion, to swallow. Not at all, they are simply fieling their players. Jr. Dole, Smith, and whoever else will jump in are presenting themselves to their potential backers. This is the way it's always done. And curious about the "woman" thing. In Arizona, four of the five women are Republicans. Women can get elected but the biggest factor in their favor appears to be an "unwoman;y" ability to be "tough"--the Margaret Thatcher Factor. In a world of stinking male politicians, feilding a woman is a good tactic. Just searching the brain files and seeming to remember that the Red Cross was also implicated in tainted blood supplies at some point. Anyone remember? Something related to aids I believe. I don't think Dole was in charge then. The Red Cross job was to keep her in a high profile elite institution until the right time presented itself. It looks like now is the time. Liddy Dole as Madame President with Bobby as First Husband is truly a weird idea. Unfortunately, it might be just the weird idea for weird times. sno0wl Don't forget that she is a Southern Belle from a wealthy upperclass family, and ANOTHER HARVARD TRAINED LAWYER. j2 From "Understanding the New World Order" by J2 Part 2b- Elites and Institutions... POWER -- Powerful persons are not powerful because they posess remarkable qualities or skills, like intelligence, beauty, ambition, willingness to have sex, or being somehow related to a powerful individual. All these things are certainly helpful, but it is the attainment of the position ( of power ) itself that gives an individual control over others. INSITUTIONS -- instiòtuétion n. 1. an organization devoted to the promotion of a cause or program, esp. one of a public character. 2. the building occupied by such an organization. 3. a place for the care or confinement of people, as mental patients. 4. any established law, custom, etc. 5. any familiar person, thing, or practice.ù instiòtuétionòal, adj. " No one can be truly powerful unless he has access to the command of major institutions, for it is over these institutional means of power that the truly powerful are, in the first instance, powerful." -- C. Wright Mills, author of " The Power Elite ". " If we took the one hundred most powerful men in America, the one hundred wealthiest, and the one hundred most celebrated away from the institutional positions they now occupy, away from their resources of men and women and money, away from the media of mass communication... then they would be powerless and poor and uncelebrated. For power is not of a man. Wealth does not center in the person of the wealthy. Celebrity is not inherent in any personality. To be celebrated, to be wealthy , to have power, requires access to major institutions, for the institutional positions men occupy determine in large part their chances to have and to hold these valued experiences." C. Wright Mills While Mills keeps referring to men, this also applies to women opperating in the world of power and institutions. Though it is clear that " power " is in the realm of the masculine mystique. An institution could be viewed as a large powerful machine. Using that analogy, the head of an institution takes on the powers and abilities inherent to that machine. For example; a human can't lift and transport 40 tons of material at 65 miles per hour. But a truckdriver can. A President, King, Dictator or General can subdue or kill a nation. A Federal Reserve chairman can decide the value of your money. A boss can decide whether not you will earn a living. Etc. SOME TOP POSITIIONS IN AMERICA'S INSTITUTIONAL STRUCTURE -- 1) Banking, (The Fedral Reserve,) investments, and insurance ( Wall Street ). 2) The national government. (The Fedral Reserve.) 3) State government. 4) The Supreme Court ( 90% from upper class ). 5) The military. 6) Corporations. 7) The privately owned media. 8) Private institutions of higher learning ( Ivy League ). 9) Private foundations. 10) New York and Washington law firms. 11) Private " Civil " groups like : The Council on Foreign Relations, pro business think tanks like the American Enterprise Institute, the Brookings Institution. The National Association of Manufacturers. The Business Roundtable. The Committee for Economic Development. 12) Cultural institutions, private
Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Cult
-Caveat Lector- Sno0wl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 3 Jan 99 , Boogie wrote: EIGHT members of an American doomsday cult were arrested in Jerusalem yesterday, suspected of planning a shoot-out with police which, they believe, would hasten the end of the world and take them to heaven. According to Israeli police, the cultists, who had six children with them, planned "extremists acts" on Jerusalem streets in the final days of 1999 to hasten the second coming of the Messiah. A police source said the cult members believed that being killed by police "would lead them to heaven and start the process of bringing Jesus back to life". Violence was planned for Jerusalem's Old City, possibly the Temple Mount, site of the Jewish temple destroyed in AD 70 and now occupied by the Muslim shrine of the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque. The group is an advance guard of 78 members of the Concerned Christians cult who sold their property and disappeared from Denver last October and were believed to be heading to Jerusalem. Their leader, Monte Kim Miller, Okay--so they're rounding up these folks because there is a possibility that they are a danger to themselves and others. Now...where do they put them until after the Millenium event? Will they be contained somewhere? Monitored? Let free but with limited freedom to move or travel? Have they done anything illegal YET, other than leave their homes and move to Jerusalem? Seems like a double-bind here. And an interesting ethical and human rights issue. sno0wl Not an issue at all. They are nuts. They want to blow up things. They are foreigners with no rights at all. They should be put in the slammer for life just like the terrorists here. J2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Xtians and Khazars.]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- So what? If they keep Torah, whether Jews by heritage or conversion, then they have become children of Abraham. If, in addition, they come to embrace Yeshua HaMoshiach (Jesus the Messiah) as Messiah God, as more and more Jews are doing, then they have become completed Jews. Not at all. They will have become ex-Jews and Christian converts. That's ok if you wasn't to trade one kind of superstitious nonsense for an other, but it is un-Jewish to worship a human as a deity. And, when one worships Jesus as a deity, one is a Christian by definition. There is no such thing as a Jewish Christian. And Christians who take the trouble to study and understand Torah enough to incorporate it into their lives have become *firmly* grafted into the vine. I don't know what this mumbo jumbo means. Yeshua / Jesus said He came to fulfill (satisfy) the Law, not destroy it. He repealed none of God's Law. Human embellishments and detail in carrying out God's Law may be optional in light of modern advances in hygiene, sanitation and health, but God's Law remains perfect and unchanged. And is *not* optional! IMHO Yeah right! Good luck. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back, over the period of his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a longer life expectency than white Europeans of the time, and was better off in practically every measurable aspect of economic life and physical health than was any "peasant class" worker in the world ( specifically factory workers in the industrial north and Europe). You must be living in a dream world, have you been shooting something into your arm? Nope... and I live in the real world... And from your post, I seem to have a better comprehension of it than the likes of you. If you learned very little in school, it is not too late. Oh, I "learned" a lot in school... Apparently the same thing you learned. Fortunately, I was able to "un-learn" the bullshit that was presented. Unfortunately, you don't seem to have learned anything except the propoganda... It MAY be too late. I suggest you read Bullwhip Days to unburden yourself of the scales that cover your eyes. "Bullwhip" huh? Sounds charming. Since we are suggesting things to each other, while there is one suggestion that I am tempted to make, I will, instead, encourage you to read "Time On the Cross" by PulitzerPrize-winning author William Fogel. You might learn something. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] THE SCOOP: Race, Walk, Run, Shout
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Bob Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 7:15 PM Subject: THE SCOOP: Race, Walk, Run, Shout THE SCOOP for January 5, 1998 ___ Race, Walk, Run, Shout Some People Learn, Some People Don't © 1998 Bob Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] = italics There's nothing worse than guilt by association. OK, I suppose having your shoulder blades buffed with a power sander is worse. Or swallowing a sewing kit. That's a [lot]worse than guilt by association. So is sipping on a thumbtack daiquiri. Flossing with a nail gun. Bobbing for lobsters. Dating a fashion model. So to be exact, except for about a half-dozen things no one in their right mind would do, there's nothing worse than guilt by association. That's what McCarthyism was about. Somebody would merely say they saw you talking to a communist, and then next thing you know all the good writers in Hollywood get blacklisted, and pretty soon [The Waterboy] is number one at the box office. Oh the humanity. So guilt by association is bad. Not as bad as dating a model. But it's bad. But it's different if the person in question, say, actually chooses to attend communist party meetings, contributes a column to a communist journal, and lets his name be used to promote communist causes, all with full knowledge of what it's about. Then it's no more of a stretch to say he supports the communist party than it is to say that Castro supports the cigar industry, Casey Kasem supports pop music, and Pauly Shore supports comedy. None of them have anything directly to do with the enterprise, but their efforts suggest more than a passing interest, futile though it may be. With me so far? There's something just like that, but different, to talk about. There's a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens you might want to know about. They [call] themselves conservative, but check their website at www.cofcc.org, and you'll see that they're a direct descendant of the White Citizens groups who so bitterly fought against civil rights and equality for all Americans. One click from the CCC homepage brings you to screeds exposing the alleged dark secrets of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King and even calling for a second Civil War to preserve the white race. The page also maintains direct links to the National Front, an openly and unashamedly fascist group, and a bunch of white supremacist newsletters and organizations. Suppose for a minute that some prominent national leader, like say President Clinton, endorsed that group, had close family who belonged, spoke several times at their functions, and contributed to their newsletter. And suppose that the guy's spokesman misled the press to cover it up? Wouldn't you want to know? Suppose for a minute that the information was publicized in one of the biggest newspapers in America. Wouldn't you expect there to be a firestorm of protest from the "liberal" media? Wouldn't the decent people who make up most of this country demand a full explanation and possibly a resignation? You'd think, wouldn't you? OK. Trent Lott. The Senate Majority Leader. He's really tight with the Council of Conservative Citizens. That's every bit as newsworthy as who anybody is sleeping with, isn't it? I mean, [isn't it?] You want to know more? Check out the stories by Thomas Edsall online at http://www.washingtonpost.com. ___ Some people would walk a mile for a Camel. An 89-year-old New Hampshire woman is walking 3000 miles so that Camel won't have that kind of influence anymore. Doris Haddock, who is no relation to the fish, will be spending 1999 walking all the way from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C. in a one-woman crusade for campaign finance reform. In an effort to show Washington that the American people do indeed want to clean up the way campaigns are financed, Miz Haddock is walking ten miles a day, carrying everything she needs on her back, and spending the night wherever her sleeping bag hits the ground. And she's meeting with community groups and politicians at every stop along the way. She started her trip at the Rose Parade in Pasadena on New Year's Day, and she's hoping to get to Washington by October. If you want more information, check out her website, at http://www.grannyd.com. There's a map of her route, a copy of the petition she's handing out, and a really cool picture of her with a knapsack. Y'know, Granny D here is trying to change the way we choose our politicians, but thinking about the effort she's putting into this at her age -- just because she gives a damn about our country -- maybe there's an even simpler solution: [Doris Haddock for President.] ___ Thanks to the way Congress spends the educational budget, the three R's are apparently now Reading, 'Riting, and Re-Election campaigns. In a given year's
Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 4:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: o It wants the U.S. to nationalize health care, start a nuclear freeze, adopt national energy policies and pass more gun-control laws. Run in circles, scream and shout. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hundreds protest police killing of black teen in Calif...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 4:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: someone sitting in a car that is running and has a flat tire, if having gone on for, say, an hour, would be reason for ME to inquire if I were a police officer Hey, how does the cop know she wasn't a commie? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:16:25 EST, you, Gerald Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 2:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too flatteringly is not well balanced. I don't know what the right add-on should be but as it is, How about just changing the first one to CAPITALISM: You have two female slaves. You sell one and buy a male slave. -JoAnne, tying two threads together neatly. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too flatteringly is not well balanced. Is there a "balance" between Truth and Error? What would it be, "Sorta right?" I don't know what the right add-on should be but as it is, it doesn't account for the ruthless quality of capitalism which leaves 41 million Americans below the poverty line. Capitalism doesn't "leave" anyone below the poverty line. You pays your money and you makes your choice. I've been below the poverty line, and capitalism is what made it possible for me to rise above it... It sure as hell wasn't welfare! It is also silent about the harsher tone of American capitalism that developed after the fall of the Soviet Union. For the sake of the Russian people and the American people, we need Gorbachev back. You're serious? For your information, Gorbechev IS back... He is lounging in palatial splendor in the Presidio -- courtesy of the U.S. taxpayer -- just outside of San Francisco... While your pathetic masses are wallowing in poverty. Great guy, Gorbechev.. ex-honcho of the Gulag. Give me a break! Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] Thai scientists to clone rare white elephant
-Caveat Lector- This seems a bit timely. Hilary -Original Message- From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 7:53 PM Subject: [InTheShadows] Thai scientists to clone rare white elephant From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: http://www.exn.ca/html/templates/htmlpage.cfm?ID=19990104-57Parent=Science - Thai scientists plan to clone rare white elephant January 4, 1999 Scientists in Thailand are hoping to bring back a royal elephant that died more than a hundred years ago. They hope to clone the white elephant from its remains which have been preserved in alcohol for posterity. "If possible, we scientists hope to clone this elephant since it is the best one ever found in the country," Chisanu Tiyscharoensri at Mahidol University's Institute of Science and Technology for Research and Development in Bangkok told the Bangkok Post. "Entirely white" and "extremely rare", the animal belonged to the 19th century monarch, King Rama III, who ruled Thailand from 1824 to 1851. The elephant is Thailand's national symbol, but deforestation and poaching are causing its numbers to dwindle. The white elephant characterized by its lighter-coloured skin is rare. Believed to bring good luck, all white elephants in Thailand are automatically the property of the Royal family. Inspired by Japanese scientists who are attempting to resurrect the mammoth, the team of scientists at Mahidol University has already succeeded in cloning a cow and hope their ten-year project will bring back a truly white-coloured elephant. But, their hope may remain just that hope. "No one has ever succeeded in reconstructing a cell from preserved DNA," says Dave Evans, acting chair of molecular biology and genetics at the University of Guelph. "People have been suggesting that they might get mammoths back from [the remains of] frozen mammoths. But, even with frozen cells, they're so badly damaged by the freezing, the basic chromosomal structure is all degraded." And alcohol would degrade the genetic material required for a successful cloning too, says Evans. "Alcohol is used as a preservative because it's a dehydrating agent," says Evans. He can't see how the nucleus (which contains all the genetic material) of any of the elephant's cells could remain intact when alcohol kills the lipid membranes which make the nucleus. While Evans points out that scientists have recovered some genes from old DNA and have even sequenced them from the frozen mammoths which roamed the Earth tens of thousands of years ago, he predicts it will be a long time before we're able to recover the nucleus required to clone an animal from such an old specimen. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. InTheShadows (formally the list known as exploration) is a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe to InTheShadows go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/InTheShadows You can write me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary Thomas DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] Dangerous NAFTA Trucks Invade US
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About ten years ago, I drove into Mexico.. After having done so, I decided to never do it again Having heard similar things several times, i certainly believe you. I spent the summer of 1962 in Mexico. The crime rate was quite low despite the poverty. More than once i found myself alone in poor areas of the city in the wee hours and felt perfectly safe. What in the world has happened over the past 27 years? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: THE SCOOP: Race, Walk, Run, Shout
THE SCOOP for January 5, 1998 ___ Race, Walk, Run, Shout Some People Learn, Some People Don't © 1998 Bob Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] [] = italics There's nothing worse than guilt by association. OK, I suppose having your shoulder blades buffed with a power sander is worse. Or swallowing a sewing kit. That's a [lot]worse than guilt by association. So is sipping on a thumbtack daiquiri. Flossing with a nail gun. Bobbing for lobsters. Dating a fashion model. So to be exact, except for about a half-dozen things no one in their right mind would do, there's nothing worse than guilt by association. That's what McCarthyism was about. Somebody would merely say they saw you talking to a communist, and then next thing you know all the good writers in Hollywood get blacklisted, and pretty soon [The Waterboy] is number one at the box office. Oh the humanity. So guilt by association is bad. Not as bad as dating a model. But it's bad. But it's different if the person in question, say, actually chooses to attend communist party meetings, contributes a column to a communist journal, and lets his name be used to promote communist causes, all with full knowledge of what it's about. Then it's no more of a stretch to say he supports the communist party than it is to say that Castro supports the cigar industry, Casey Kasem supports pop music, and Pauly Shore supports comedy. None of them have anything directly to do with the enterprise, but their efforts suggest more than a passing interest, futile though it may be. With me so far? There's something just like that, but different, to talk about. There's a group called the Council of Conservative Citizens you might want to know about. They [call] themselves conservative, but check their website at www.cofcc.org, and you'll see that they're a direct descendant of the White Citizens groups who so bitterly fought against civil rights and equality for all Americans. One click from the CCC homepage brings you to screeds exposing the alleged dark secrets of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King and even calling for a second Civil War to preserve the white race. The page also maintains direct links to the National Front, an openly and unashamedly fascist group, and a bunch of white supremacist newsletters and organizations. Suppose for a minute that some prominent national leader, like say President Clinton, endorsed that group, had close family who belonged, spoke several times at their functions, and contributed to their newsletter. And suppose that the guy's spokesman misled the press to cover it up? Wouldn't you want to know? Suppose for a minute that the information was publicized in one of the biggest newspapers in America. Wouldn't you expect there to be a firestorm of protest from the "liberal" media? Wouldn't the decent people who make up most of this country demand a full explanation and possibly a resignation? You'd think, wouldn't you? OK. Trent Lott. The Senate Majority Leader. He's really tight with the Council of Conservative Citizens. That's every bit as newsworthy as who anybody is sleeping with, isn't it? I mean, [isn't it?] You want to know more? Check out the stories by Thomas Edsall online at http://www.washingtonpost.com. ___ Some people would walk a mile for a Camel. An 89-year-old New Hampshire woman is walking 3000 miles so that Camel won't have that kind of influence anymore. Doris Haddock, who is no relation to the fish, will be spending 1999 walking all the way from Los Angeles to Washington, D.C. in a one-woman crusade for campaign finance reform. In an effort to show Washington that the American people do indeed want to clean up the way campaigns are financed, Miz Haddock is walking ten miles a day, carrying everything she needs on her back, and spending the night wherever her sleeping bag hits the ground. And she's meeting with community groups and politicians at every stop along the way. She started her trip at the Rose Parade in Pasadena on New Year's Day, and she's hoping to get to Washington by October. If you want more information, check out her website, at http://www.grannyd.com. There's a map of her route, a copy of the petition she's handing out, and a really cool picture of her with a knapsack. Y'know, Granny D here is trying to change the way we choose our politicians, but thinking about the effort she's putting into this at her age -- just because she gives a damn about our country -- maybe there's an even simpler solution: [Doris Haddock for President.] ___ Thanks to the way Congress spends the educational budget, the three R's are apparently now Reading, 'Riting, and Re-Election campaigns. In a given year's federal budget, the federal Department of Education is only able to allocate about ten percent of its resources to discretionary stuff -- innovative programs, reforms, research on new teaching techniques, and
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Message from RMNews Sources to RMNews Readers URGENT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 2:27:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI --not an endorsement-- Om k Kris, I'm curious by this statement. Do you find RuMills not a reliable source of information? Hilary First, this particualr posting seemed to be asking for political action. Basically, I am not endorsing her call to political action, en masse to force a 'trial'. I believe, if Clinton were a gentleman he would resign. Obviously, we are not dealing with a gentleman . . . Secondly, I know of RuMills, from the net, I have no basis to judge what is said, other than by content. Also, in dealing, with info such as this type and sources, one WILL find dis/mis. It is a job of a reasearcher to give weight, knowledge and discernment towards understanding. Mis and dis can be very useful in understanding, one must be prepared not to believe what one reads, but to consider many questions. RuMills may be valid, but all info being given is not altruistic and just like the old spy novels, ya spread story around, with differring varations, to smoke the weevils out of the bole. We ARE dealing with intel modius oprendi. Look at the build-up towards JFK, ya had Miami and Chicago, before Dallas, All smoke-jobs - to shake the tree, so the real deal runs smooth. So, as always, caveat lector . . . and look before you leap! Om K PS Hilary, your post are coming in dark blue cover and have a trail of htmlese.;-( DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA-DRUGS ALERT!
-Caveat Lector- From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] THERE WILL BE NO HEARINGS ON VOLUME II IN THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE IN FEBRUARY 11:53 AM - Tues, Jan, 5, 1998 Los Angeles - Just minutes ago I hung up after speaking with a source on the House Permanent Select committee on Intelligence (HPSCI). The source stated that, contrary to previously published reports in The San Jose Mercury News, it would not be possible for HPSCI to hold hearings on Volume II any sooner than February. The cited reasons for this are telling. The Committee is not yet constituted and there are several key vacancies. Ranking Democrat Norman Dicks (D), Washington has rotated out of the Committee after eight years. This was mandatory. Jane Harman (R) CA, left the House to run for Governor and Congressman David Skaggs (D), CO has retired. These vacancies leave open the possibility for serious and important developments. The Ranking Democratic member will wield enormous influence and will, next to the Chairman (retired CIA operative Porter Goss), have a lot to say about the scope and nature of the hearings on Vol. II. The new ranking member will be chosen by House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt who will, no doubt, consult with President Clinton beforehand. Wish List: Maxine Waters as a new member of the Committee. Better yet - as ranking member! Given the pressure already placed on the Committee by public pressure to hold well publicized hearings with a reasonable witness list I now think it unlikely that HPSCI will hold hearings at all before the planned April 29th demonstration at Florence and Normandie. My story on the Calculus of Impeachment including CIA drug dealing has been picked up by the Progressive Review www.prorev.com and apparently the Drudge report as well. I had four visitors to my web site, www.copvcia.com, this AM from the drudge page. The progressive review has added additional material making my scenario even more likely and credible. That story is producing the biggest "AHA!" I have ever heard from both the left and the right. A lot of people are now actually reading Vol. II. Remember that the Bully Pulpit can, at any time, draw attention to Volume II. So can the people if they put their mind to it. Mike Ruppert From The Wilderness www.copvcia.com To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at http://www.onelist.com and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Frank Rizzo: Name Ring A Bell?
-Caveat Lector- Anyone know if name "Frank Rizzo" rings a bell? Was/is he mayor of Philadelphia? Or some other connection? Brian Redman | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html Editor-in-Chief| ---Phone: 217-356-4418 Conspiracy Nation | "The perfect slave thinks he's free." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Y2K--Why Not Buy New Software?
-Caveat Lector- By "folks", I am including the major corporations who run the electricity, etc. -Original Message- From: I Wanna Be Me Again [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [prj] Y2K--Why Not Buy New Software? -Caveat Lector- How will that help when there is no electricity, no water and no access to banks? How will you operate your computer with your new software when you have no electricity and no telephone service? Are you really relying upon "I didn't do it" Willie for reassurance? The scope and seriousness of losing our power, communications and banking systems simultaneously will immediately shatter the functioning of everything, including federal and state government. It is my understanding that the coming Y2k disaster has the potential to be brutally destructive and a direct threat to individual survival. Sherry. aka Tapshoe When everyone else is walking out the door, the true friend walks in http://www.angelfire.com/wy/seekGOVinvestigation/ Lloyd Miller wrote: Buy Music CD's On-Line at Music Boulevard http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/32653_0_bb/bb200.txt END -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Pro-panic (fwd)--Y2K At 09:16 PM 1/4/99 -0500, you wrote: Maybe someone can answer this question for me. Why don't folks just purchase new y2K compliant software. Export the old data from the old softwareAutomatically alter all the old dates in the old data to a compliant format and then up-load the data into the new softwarethis would seem to be the best investment of time and money. Good point. Maybe the central conspirators are running the bug-fixing racket and planned the bug crisis. They'll cash in to the tune of billions and then sit back in their remote estates while Y2K culls the herd. Several people have told me they've read or heard accounts of programmers who warned people years ago about Y2K, and they were just ignored. Could be psychology, or maybe it was the plan. Please Patronize PRJ's Advertisers: http://home.msen.com/~daugh/store.htm Many Pay Even If You Just Look and Don't Buy!END DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Lawyers Pick Gun Fight
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-01/05/028r-010599-idx.html After Tobacco Success, Lawyers Pick Gun Fight Same Tactics Aimed at Firearms Industry By David Segal Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, January 5, 1999; Page A01 For the past four years, a team of about 60 law firms from across the country has rented a suite of offices in downtown New Orleans and made it headquarters for the unprecedented legal assault against the tobacco industry. Last week the offices got a make-over for the launch of a new fight -- this time against the gun industry. Cigarette files are being warehoused. Deploying the same tactics it brought to the tobacco wars, the legal collective known as the Castano Group is re-aiming its sights, hoping to earn millions in fees by suing gunmakers on behalf of cities around the nation. The Castano Group is the brainchild of Wendell Gauthier, a mass-injury lawyer who made the first of several fortunes representing victims of hotel fires and plane crashes. In 1994, he persuaded a group of 60 firms to contribute $100,000 each to fund a war room to coordinate lawsuits against the tobacco industry. The suits were based on the then-novel theory that the cigarette companies should pay for the cost incurred by smokers to treat their addiction. Gauthier is now asking the same and other firms to chip in another $100,000 for the gun litigation. About 40 firms have accepted so far, and others are expected to join soon, said John Coale, a District lawyer who is part of the group. The money will cover the cost of depositions and research, as well as a staff of paralegals and time logged by lawyers at Gauthier's firm. Gun manufacturers, meanwhile, are on the verge of hiring corporate defense firms capable of fending off a carefully orchestrated legal attack on a national scale. Among the leading candidates for the job are several firms, including Washington's Covington Burling, that have toiled for tobacco companies. In sum, it could be deja sue all over again. The virtually inevitable brawl over the gun business will likely feature many of the same combatants and strategies that took center stage in the epic confrontation over tobacco. "It's uncanny," said Stanley Chesley, a Cincinnati lawyer who is part of the Castano Group, "but we just keep running into the same people in this business." In October, New Orleans became the first city to file suit against gunmakers, demanding re dress for the cost of responding to shootings and alleging that companies such as Glock Inc. and Smith Wesson Corp. failed to install safety devices that would prevent children and unauthorized users from firing guns. Lawyers from the Castano Group, which takes its name from an early tobacco plaintiff, are handling the case on behalf of the city. Chicago followed with its own suit in November, offering other liability theories, and more cities are expected to file soon. A variety of private actions are in the works, too. For critics of the cigarette settlement, the tobacco lawyers' new onslaught fulfills an unhappy prophecy. Well before cigarette makers agreed in November to pay more than $200 billion over 25 years to settle a host of suits brought by attorneys general, Wall Street analysts and others predicted that the money ultimately would fund new lunges at other industries. The Castano team has yet to profit from the tobacco litigation, because it was not party to the actions by the attorneys general and its private class actions are still pending. Still, Castano lawyers such as Coale expect a tobacco payday and are unabashed about what they'll do with the money. "People kept saying that we would go after the alcohol or fast-food industries next," Coale said. "But we'd never do that. We enjoy liquor and meat too much." Meanwhile, several lawyers who scored big in the suits filed by the attorneys general are eyeing the gun issue. For instance, Robert Kerrigan's eight-person firm in Pensacola, Fla., pocketed $200 million for its work on the tobacco settlement, part of a record-setting $3.4 billion in fees shared by a handful of Florida law firms. He and his partners now are considering whether to sue gunmakers, alleging that products such as assault weapons and Saturday night specials have no legitimate use. "I know the business community considers us a bunch of vultures who just got done with one corpse and are looking for another," Kerrigan said. "But the truth is that tobacco had to pay in no small measure because of what we did." Whether the gun litigation turns out to be the next legal gold rush is an open question. Gunmakers aren't nearly as wealthy as the cigarette makers, taking in about $3 billion to $4 billion a year, a fraction of the big tobacco companies' yearly revenue. And Bob Ricker of the American Shooting Sports Council, a trade association for gunmakers, vowed that his members won't be intimidated into an out-of-court settlement, regardless of
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 4 Jan 1999 00:00:20 - MARK [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- That's easy for you to say, you haven't been insulted from here to next Sunday, stay out of the picture, bub!! -Original Message- From: Source - Richard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 January 1999 10:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] hello (again) -Caveat Lector- I think it's time to take a deep breath and stop this bickering. Come on guys - cool down. snip It's stuff like that that will keep this going on... Jesse Dolan "Insane Hippie" www.geocities.com/area51/stargate/8954/index.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] About historic American Indian population figures --
-Caveat Lector- Kris: About historic American Indian population figures -- Not exactly that many. Here is a quote from Alvin Josephy -- while a dated Indian historian, his basic material even in 1995 was still considered the most reliable to date on general facts like this. Bracketed quotes are mine here, but Josephy says (1991, *The Indian Heritage of America,* Houghton Mifflin Co.): p. 52-53 "Although many persons have tried to estimate how many Indians inhabited the New World [this includes the entire Western Hemisphere -- north, central and south] by 1492, there is no agreement on the figure. In the past some have believed that there were as many as 75 million, others cite a maximum of only 8 million. Until recently, the most knowledgable students estimated that there were somewhere between 15 and 20 million Indians in the hemisphere when Columbus arrived, agreeing also that probably only some 850,000 lived within the present boundaries of the contiguous states of the United States, and considerably fewer father north in Canada and Alaska. The bulk of the population was found below the Rio Grande, concentrated most heavily in the regions of the most intensive practice of agriculture; and it was thought that perhaps 7 million or more people were in Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean prior to the white man's arrival, and at least 10 million throughout South America, more than half of them in the Andean highlands [Bolivia, Equador, Peru]. " My thoughts: Population figures are always interesting and always important. In fact there are entire books devoted now to analysis of American Indian pop figures. I don't have the latest one at hand. However, Josephy is still very well touted. Suffice it to say that North America held far fewer Indians at Columbus' entrance than people now believe and Josephy is a very fine reference, although he is a generalist, not a high brow scholar. Few ever quibble with his general materials, they are well researched. Judith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judith, a lister came-up with this statement. My understanding is that during the period before colonization native-americans numbered less then five million in the are we now call the United States. What can you tell me? Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: y2k -- READ THIS!!!!!!!!
Subj: y2k Date: 99-01-05 18:42:50 EST From: JDPoeland To: J1mS1 Y2K and martial law http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19981208_xcbtl_y2k_and_ma.sht ml For those suspecting the federal government is making Y2K millennium bug contingency plans that include the suspension of civil liberties, fears were not allayed by the nation's Y2K czar at his first summit last week. In answer to a question about electrical-power failures caused by embedded chip problems and other millennium bug breakdowns, John Koskinen, the chairman of President Clinton's Y2K council, said: "In a crisis and emergency situation, the free market may not be the best way to distribute resources. ... If there's a point in time where we have to take resources and make a judgment on an emergency basis, we will be prepared to do that." Now what does that mean? These guys don't think the free market is the best way to distribute resources in the best of times. But this statement requires some explanation. This is a statement that should prompt congressional hearings -- out in public, not in executive session. This is a statement that brings to mind a history of executive orders mandating emergency presidential powers that would make our Founding Fathers spin in their graves. Yet, I saw the chilling statement reported only by Wired News, which covered the Y2K council's first summit in San Francisco last Thursday. Nothing in the Associated Press. Nothing in the San Francisco papers. Nothing on the major networks. Worse yet, even Wired News, which, thank heavens, saw fit to publish the quote, did not choose to lead its story coverage with it. Now, I can understand government seizing an opportunity for more power in a crisis. It's the nature of government to do just that. What I don't understand is how we could receive so many warnings by government officials of their ominous plans for martial law beginning Jan. 1, 2000 without scrutiny by the press, civil libertarians and other so-called government watchdogs. Why am I like a voice crying out in the wilderness over this issue? This is, by my count, at least the second major pronouncement by high-ranking members of the Clinton administration that preparations are being made to scrap the Constitution in the event of problems we know are coming on a date just over a year away. The first, to refresh your memories, came in June, when Sen. Robert Bennett, chairman of the Senate's Year 2000 committee, was interviewing a top Pentagon official, Deputy Defense Secretary John Hamre. Here's how that exchange went: Bennett: "In the event of a Y2K-induced breakdown of community services that might call for martial law," will the military be ready? Hamre: "We've got fundamental issues to deal with that go beyond just the Year 2000 contingency planning. And I think you're right to bring that up." Understand that Bennett, a Republican from Utah, wasn't suspiciously asking Hamre if the military was secretly planning a hideous martial law scenario. He was knowingly asking him, apparently hopeful that the military would be prepared to carry out it out. [[ This plan/response has been in place for a LONG time. Anyone who wants a copy of the Exec. Order, let me know. It SHOULD be read by everyone -- *VERY* CAREFULLY!!! ]] I know it's too much to ask, but shouldn't the members of the House Judiciary Committee at least have all this in the back of their minds today as they consider articles of impeachment against President Clinton? Is this a leader the nation can trust on the brink of a potential national crisis? Is this a man America can trust with emergency powers? Americans have come to believe their freedom is a permanent state. When people take their freedom for granted, it is most in peril. Is it not possible, with all we now know about the character of Bill Clinton, that he would attempt to turn such a crisis into a semi-permanent presidency -- one with imperial powers? And, with all we know about the character of the spineless Congress, is it unthinkable to imagine its members abdicating their authority and collaborating in such an insidious scheme? Am I being paranoid? I don't think so. After all, it's not me who is raising the ugly specter of martial law in the context of the Y2K crisis. It is the United States government -- first in a public meeting between representatives of the legislative and executive branches and now in a public summit convened by the president's Y2K czar. This is not a hallucination, folks. It's reality. Hearings are being conducted. Plans are being made. Further evidence of this plot comes in the form of Presidential Decision Directive 63, issued by Bill Clinton last May. It calls for the development of a plan to ensure "essential national security missions" as well as general public health and safety by, you guessed it, the year 2000. The carefully worded directive emphasizes the preservation of order, the
Re: [CTRL] Frank Rizzo: Name Ring A Bell?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 7:48:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know if name "Frank Rizzo" rings a bell? Was/is he mayor of Philadelphia? Or some other connection? I say yes, I believe he 'rose' from Police Commish. Move was on his watch? At least one Frank Rizzo . . . Om k DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
