[CTRL] The Cunnilingual Bomber
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The Cunnilingual Bomber
by Zola
Just when you thought you had seen it all, namely the U.S. President's
admission he has been lying for the past seven months in the Monica Lewinsky
affair, along his simultaneous attempt to blame it all on Kenneth Starr, and
his assertion that his perjury and obstruction of justice are nobody's
business but his own and Hillary's--just when you thought the gutless
wonders in Washington might muster enough moxie to throw the criminal out of
office--just when you thought that Clinton's cunning linguistics about
Monica having sex with him but he didn't have sex with her ("It's a
miracle," Bob Bennett explained) would win the Josef Goebbels award for
creative destruction of the language- -just when you were relishing the fact
that a certain semen-stained blue dress had made this so-called "statesman"
the laughing stock of detergent ads in Tel Aviv--just when you had come to
believe there might be a modicum of sanity left in the country--the Oval
Office lunatic orders U.S. planes to bomb two foreign countries.
"National security," says the Liar. And all the way down the line: CNN:
"national security"; CBS: "national security"; NBC: "national security";
ABC: "national security".
"National security" means he has his pecker in one hand and the Red
Telephone in the other.
"Terrorists," says the red-faced Thug--the same Thug who has just spent
seven months intimidating witnesses and attempting to destroy the
reputations of all those critics who were telling the truth. And on down the
media line we hear the refrain: "Terrorists", "Terrorists", "Terrorists",
"Terrorists." This from the same "journalists" who for seven months demanded
an "open mind" about an "alleged" affair, no matter how detailed the
evidence that emerged regarding the Big Creep's oral escapades, lies, and
cover-up.
"Terrorists" means the Big Creep has decided to terrorize easy
targets--ostensibly associated with Osama bin Laden--but he'll be thinking
of Kenneth Starr all along. He's damned well going to make somebody pay for
those grand jury questions. Maybe he can have Seal Team Six slash some tires
and kill some cats while he is at it.
Yes, the U.S. was bombing "terrorist targets" in Afghanistan and the Sudan--
targets selected by the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, the triumphant
heroes of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Atlanta Olympics, TWA 800, and Filegate.
Next week the terrorist targets might be Paris and Detroit.
On Monday, the President prevaricated to the grand jury. He then
prevaricated to the nation on live TV. A big day for prevarication. But by
Wednesday it was clear that even the best of the Great Prevaricator's
mind-controlled minions were shrinking away from him.
So, on Thursday, he bombed foreigners. The Great Prevaricator appeared on TV
in Martha's Vineyard. "Bombs. Terrorists. Ugh. Umpah." He then returned to
the White House so he could appear on TV yet again for a few more lies, and
look statesmanlike, and get a blow job, and do a few lines of coke away from
Hillary. (Hillary doesn't mind: Vernon Jordan stayed behind to comfort her.
Bill's foibles give her license, you know.)
He bombed foreigners who, he said, are guilty of the U.S. embassy bombings
in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. Now, how could he possibly know that? The very
same FBI couldn't find out what happened in Oklahoma City for months. In the
U.S., on their own home ground. But in this case, on foreign soil, what a
miracle! Once the Commander-in-Chief makes up his mind, Freeh's little
lackeys know what conclusions to draw right away. Evidence? We don't need no
stinking evidence: we have missiles.
The President is evidently insane. Is it PMS: Post- Monica Syndrome? A
protest group gathers outside the White House: "No blood for Monica," they
chant. Yes, it seems the President is having another private moment in his
private life. His alleged wife Hillary "believes in this marriage," she
claims. But not enough, apparently, to give the President the oral sex he
craves. And as for the President, well, one doubts he could stand to go
anywhere near Hillary's lap. Moreover, the nation hates him for his lying
and Monday's failed performance, and he is, well, tense. So today he's going
to kill some people instead. That'll teach them to pick on Sensitive Bill
and his little three-inch bent prick.
"Did the President perform cunnilingus on you?" the Special Prosecutor's
team asked Monica Lewinsky before the grand jury that is looking into
criminal charges against the President. Monica didn't know what the word
meant. They should have quoted Gennifer Flowers to her: "He eats pussy like
a champ." Everyone can understand that language.
"Cunnilingus" comes from the Latin cunnus, meaning vulva ("cunt"), and
lingus, from lingere, meaning to lick. The President will eat cunt, but he
won't do the decent thing and resign and eat crow. No, he's got to divert
attention from his own crimes by punishing others for theirs. And his bombs
[CTRL] Fwd: Coastal Post Article - 'Gun Control' Kills Kids
This item relates to the importance of the date of April as it is of April 1996 it was written; in the other item, they refer to April 19 being a special day..before Littleton - and then we had Waco April 19, with Littleton the 20th. Tlhis month is a very significant month; however, this Gun Control Kills Kids one must say, this item too, was very timely; the other item refers to the kids comic books. It is my hope someone out there will give this a little thought for things just are not as they seem to be, as said Alice in Wonderland Gun Control Kills Kids.well, it was Hitler who killed the Jewish kids was it not, and he didn't resort to guns when he had other methodsnobody is ever going to convince me that Dylan Klebold, a jewish boy, liked Nazisand consider the comic books and the Gun Control Kills Kids. What does this all mean, Guns and Roses, and Drugs? Rosicrucians are masters at mind control and behavior modification, and did produce a little Nazi killer named Sirhan Bishara Sirhan, whose father said came from a "big family dating back 1000 years"which would put it in the right time frame for the old Assasssins. Colleen http://www.coastalpost.com/96/4/19.htm
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-Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- CobolMage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- snip MORE SALES OF SUPERCOMPUTERS The White House is preparing to loosen government controls on the sale of powerful super computers to more than 100 countries only two weeks after a congressional committee charged it with carelessly permitting sales to China, the LOS ANGELES TIMES is planning to report in Tuesday editions. A portion of Page One has been carved out by editors and reporter Peter Gosselin was jaing late into the evening, putting the finishing touches on his exclusive report. The Commerce Department has proposed easing restrictions on sales of supercomputers to "most countries in Asia, Africa, Latin America and Central and Eastern Europe, administration sources said Monday." Gosselin reports that "virtually all restrictions are likely to be lifted on sales to Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic, which recently became NATO members." The White House's John Podesta, last seen drafting a new Medicare proposal that extends drug coverage to all beneficiaries, has taken charge of announcing the new supercomputer policy. According to Gosselin, first official word that the White House is prepared to ease export limits on the 100 countries could come during a meeting scheduled for Friday between Podesta and a group that includes "IBM Chairman and Chief Executive Louis Gerstner, Intel Corp. Chairman Andy Grove, Sun Microsystems Inc. CEO Scott D. McNealy and Hewlett-Packard Co. Chairman and President Lewis E.Platt." snip It has occurred to me that there may be method to this madness. Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what is going on here, starting with the supercomputer sales to China and continuing with the policy laid out in Drudge's story, is not simply cupidity, but is actually designed to gather highly-sensitive intelligence. Suppose that deep inside each computer, perhaps built into the microprocessors themselves, is a radio transmitter. Suppose that this transmitter is set to send a coded message from time to time, perhaps to a U.S. satellite, perhaps to an SR-71 or AEGIS destroyer, reporting all of the operations that the computer's new owners have carried out on it in the past ump days. Suppose that U.S. officials have deliberately set out to make themselves look like idiots, to draw in and trap other countries into swallowing the bait. No, I don't have any evidence for this. But just suppose... Bob Bob, you need to start shelling out more for better quality acid. " American" corporations have a long history of treason. With the "new" ideology of globalization, there are fewer rabid nationalists in the government who give a damn about national sovereignty. This treason is not new. Treason is not treason in a capitalist society if you can make money. Selling high tech equipment and weapons to an enemy is very good business. It means that the government MUST spend more money to pay for new generations of weapons and computers to develop and run them. Thus creating a new market where there wasn't one before. Stalin and Krushev said that the Capitalist West will sell them the rope to hang us. They understood the pigs running this country much better than our fellow citizens ever do. The Rich are only loyal to the acquisition of more money. Know your enemy. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: S99-103, Day 77 (June 8, 11:30PM EDT) - A Special TiM GW Bulletin on NATO's War on Serbia
FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA The Special Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins on NATO's war on Serbia, such as the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site: www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day. Issue S99-103, Day 77 June 8, 1999; 11:30PM EDT HEADLINES Phoenix1. Prague, Aviano, London... Protests Belgrade 2. An American B-2A Shot Down over Serbia? 1. Aviano, London, Prague, Bratislava... Protests PHOENIX, June 8 - Who would have thought it? As reports poured into TiM from all over about the various weekend protests around the world, guess where the most violent demonstrations took place? In Prague, a nouveau-NATO country! Meanwhile, tens of thousands of anti-war protesters also marched this weekend at NATO's Aviano base in Italy and in London, England. Here are some excerpts from the reports by the TiM correspondents and participants in these rallies: PRAGUE, June 6 - Hundreds of demonstrators chanting anti-NATO slogans threw stones at the U.S. Embassy late Saturday, breaking windows and injuring several policemen. The crowd marched to the embassy in downtown Prague after gathering in another part of the capital to protest the impact of multinational corporations' on the environment. Police spokesman Josef Sulcek said 34 demonstrators had been detained. --- AVIANO, June 6 - We received the following report from a TiM reader in Croatia, whose name we're withholding considering the last sentence in this report. You may also check out a photo posted at our Web site from the Aviano protest about which this TiM reader and participant in the anti-NATO demonstration is writing: "This is just a short note to let you know that I enjoyed your Special Bulletin on the June 5 protest at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC. Bravo-bravissimo for another good and effective speech to the 30,000 Americans who were present. At this end here, the very next day (Sunday, June 6) the biggest protest so far against NATO was held in Aviano. So, my friends and I got into two cars and were off to Italy on that hot and sunny Sunday (35 degrees Celsius), to help the wonderful Italian people that came out to express their feelings and opinions about the beastly bombings of Yugoslavia. The march from the town of Aviano (where we had to leave our cars) to the NATO air base is some 7 or 8 kilometers. The road that goes to the air base soon turned into a river of people, mostly young. I don't know the exact number, but I'm certain that there were more than 10,000 people attending, plus the 5,000 heavily armed police with their guns and shields and vehicles. (another participant in the Aviano rally told TiM that over 25,000 marched in protest). This time, the NATO NAZI'S set up huge concrete blocks of cement behind the fence that encircles the airport, so that the planes that sow death could not be seen. And probably as an additional protective shield (just in case things get out of hand). In any case, the protest was a bracing and encouraging experience especially in light of the fact that the vast majority of the protesters were Italians. They had come here from all parts of Italy. It was good to see that there were also quite a few Slovenians. As far as we know, we were the only small and private group from Croatia, apart from Mr. Stipe Suvar who was present with some of his own friends from Zagreb. Stipe's head was still bandaged from the recent assassination attempt that took place on Thursday in the center of Zagreb!" --- LONDON, June 6 - We received the following report from a TiM reader in Manchester, England, who traveled to London to participate in this weekend protest against the NATO war on Serbia: "Half a dozen buses left for London from various parts of Manchester at 7AM. Ditto re. the buses from the various other British cities, such as Birmingham, Oxford, Cambridge, Bristol... We arrived in London an hour earlier than planned, which gave us a chance to visit with the protesters at 10 Downing Street (the seat of the British Prime Minister). They confirmed to us that there are several hundred people outside Tony Blair's official residence - day or night, rain or shine - protesting Britain's bombing of Serbia. And that they have kept it up 24 hours a day. Meanwhile, the BBC, just like CNN (see http://www.truthinmedia.org/Kosovo/day74.html), tried to played down the significance of the anti-war movement in Britain. The country's national TV network reported that "3,700 people" took part in the protest. By contrast, our sources report that a column of London demonstrators was 2.5km (1.6 miles) long. Assuming 10 people abreast at about a meter's distance between the rows, that's 25,000 people," the TiM correspondent reasoned. --- 2. A n American B-2A Shot Down over Serbia? BELGRADE, June 1 - When we first received a report from Belgrade about a supposed
[CTRL] OEN 6/9/99
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Today's Lesson From The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl R. Popper Historicism, which I have so far characterized only in a rather abstract way, can be well illustrated by one of the simplest and oldest of its forms, the doctrine of the chosen people. This doctrine is one of the attempts to make history understandable by a theistic interpretation, i.e. by recognizing God as the author of the play performed on the Historical Stage. The theory of the chosen people, more specifically, assumes that God has chosen one people to function as the selected instrument of His will, and that this people will inherit the earth. . . . There is no doubt that the doctrine of the chosen people grew out of the tribal form of social life. Tribalism, i.e. the emphasis on the supreme importance of the tribe without which the individual is nothing at all, is an element which we shall find in many forms of historicist theories. Other forms which are no longer tribalist may still retain an element of collectivism; they may still emphasize the significance of some group or collective--for example, a class--without which the inividual is nothing at all. Another aspect of the doctrine of the chosen people is the remoteness of what it proffers as the end of history. For although it may describe this end with some degree of definiteness, we have to go a long way before we reach it. And the way is not only long, but winding, leading up and down, right and left. Accordingly, it will be possible to bring every conceivable historical event well within the scheme of the interpretation. No conceivable experience can refute it. But to those who believe in it, it gives certainty regarding the ultimate outcome of human history. = Equity Markets US Investors Pull Money Out of International Funds Keeping It All at Home US private investors are removing money from international investment funds as the trend to invest only in US equities gathers pace. A net $7.15bn was withdrawn from funds investing outside the US in the first four months of this year, while the industry as a whole attracted $74.91bn in new cash, according to figures compiled by the Washington-based Investment Company Institute, the trade association. This continued a trend that started with the Asian financial crisis in 1997. In 1996, international funds attracted $47.5bn in new money, or more than 20 per cent of the total. This fell to only $7.5bn, or 3.1 per cent of the total, last year. The decline in new money from the US could affect the performance of international stock markets. It has also alarmed some mutual fund management companies, which have mailed investors urging them to retain some balance in their portfolios Several emerging markets have recovered in the past few months, but the sharp fall in the value of the euro has inflicted damage on dollar-denominated mutual funds, many of which were not hedged. This means that only exceptionally successful stock-pickers have attractive performance figures this year. The Moody's Europe Equity Fund Index, which tracks the performance of funds investing in European equities, has fallen 5.15 per cent over the past 12 months and gained only 0.96 per cent so far this year. By comparison, its US growth equity fund index, which covers the funds investing in the most popular large US companies, has gained 19.27 in the past 12 months and 5.25 per cent so far this year. Robert Swift, chief investment officer for international equities at Putnam Investments in Boston, one of the largest US mutual fund groups, said: "People are seeing that the US has provided 23 per cent returns over the last five years, compounded, while non-US has provided half that, and they're saying there's no point owning this stuff." According to Baltimore-based T. Rowe Price, one of the largest distributors of mutual funds: "People are reacting to the severe underperformance of international funds relative to the US in the last four or five years, and particularly last year." The Financial Times, June 8, 1999 Oil Market Castle Energy Appears in a Flurry of Recent Deals And then there's Zapata Petroleum . . . NEW YORK--Remember little Castle Energy? That was the Pennsylvania EP firm nearly crushed to death in the $1.6-bil Metallgesellschaft futures fiasco in 1993. Backed by what it thought were rock-solid processing deals for all its output from MG, Castle went deep into hock buying two old refineries, a natural gas pipeline and other assets to become MG's defacto US operating arm. Then MG, Castle's main shareholder, reneged. In late 1994, red-faced MG settled up with Castle by forgiving its debt, giving back its Castle stock and unwinding its commitments, at a total cost of $479-mil. Published reports at that time said MG and unidentified companies it was doing business with had also come
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-Caveat Lector- "Cathy Laughlan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: # IBM CHAIRMAN CONFIRMS ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. http://byamerican.com/cgi-bin/ast/config.cgi?read=15060 : What other technologies resulted from the Roswell crash? Waxed dental floss Not to mention TV dinners--only an alien could actually eat, let alone like, those things... Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- T H E E N D - T I M E S T I M E S June 10th, 1999 == Dear friends, Welcome to this issue of The End-Times Times. I hope it will be of interest to you. Please feel free to write to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and visit my Web site at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5951 Those who have not visited my Web site for a while - please do drop by again! I've recently made a number of redesigns, and added a list of good books that I recommend. Should these be of interest to you, links are provided so you can purchase them through Amazon.Com. The Web site will undergo more development over the next months, so stay tuned! This newsletter is being sent to you at your request, and your name will not be made available to any other person or organisation. You may request to be removed from this list at any time by simply writing to me. Previous issues of this newsletter are available from my Web site. Regards, David M. Williams -- C O M M O N L O G I C A L F A L L A C I E S M A D E B Y M U S L I M S By Dr. Robert Morey Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims. Note: The average Muslim does not know that his arguments are logically erroneous. He is sincere in his beliefs. Thus you must be patient and kind in sharing with him why his arguments are invalid. 1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority. Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and the Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself. Some Muslims violate the principle of historical precedent by asserting that Islam does not have the burden of proof and that the Qur'an judges the Bible. 2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing. If you end where you began, you got nowhere. Examples: #1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah. #2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad. #3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam. 3. False Analogy: Comparing two things as if they are parallel when they are not really the same at all. Examples: #1 Many Muslims erroneously assume that Muslims and Christians share the same concepts of God, revelation, inspiration, textual preservation, the Bible, prophethood, biblical history, conversion, etc... #2 Because a false analogy is drawn between Islam and Christianity, some Muslims think that any argument which refutes the Qur'an will likewise refute the Bible; any argument which refutes Muhammad will also refute Jesus Christ, etc... #3 For example, many Muslims claim that Muhammad and all prophets were sinless. They even deny that Abraham was an idol worshipper. Thus when a Christian points out all the wicked things that Muhammad did (mass murder, child abuse, lying, etc.), the Muslims will say, "If you are right, then you must also reject your biblical prophets for doing wicked things as well." What he is really saying is, "If you reject my prophet, then you must reject your prophets as well. If Muhammad was a false prophet, then your prophets are false as well." The root problem is that the Muslim concept of prophethood is not the same as the Christian concept of prophethood. We teach that prophets sin like anyone else. Thus while Islam is refuted by the sins of Muhammad, Christianity is not jeopardized at all. The Muslim is guilty of setting up a "false analogy." Whenever a Muslim responds to a Christian attack on the Qur'an, Muhammad, or Allah by flipping the argument around and applying it to the Bible, Jesus or the Trinity as if Islam and Christianity either stand or fall together, he is guilty of the fallacy of false analogy. Islam can be false and Christianity be true at the same time. 4. The Fallacy of Irrelevance: When you introduce issues which have no logical bearing on the subject under discussion, you are using irrelevant arguments. Examples: #1 Some Muslims argue, "The Qur'an is the Word of God because the text of the
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-Caveat Lector- nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Robert Tatman wrote: snip It has occurred to me that there may be method to this madness. Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that what is going on here, starting with the supercomputer sales to China and continuing with the policy laid out in Drudge's story, is not simply cupidity, but is actually designed to gather highly-sensitive intelligence. Suppose that deep inside each computer, perhaps built into the microprocessors themselves, is a radio transmitter. Suppose that this transmitter is set to send a coded message from time to time, perhaps to a U.S. satellite, perhaps to an SR-71 or AEGIS destroyer, reporting all of the operations that the computer's new owners have carried out on it in the past ump days. Suppose that U.S. officials have deliberately set out to make themselves look like idiots, to draw in and trap other countries into swallowing the bait. No, I don't have any evidence for this. But just suppose... Bob Bob, you need to start shelling out more for better quality acid. " American" corporations have a long history of treason. With the "new" ideology of globalization, there are fewer rabid nationalists in the government who give a damn about national sovereignty. This treason is not new. Treason is not treason in a capitalist society if you can make money. Selling high tech equipment and weapons to an enemy is very good business. It means that the government MUST spend more money to pay for new generations of weapons and computers to develop and run them. Thus creating a new market where there wasn't one before. Stalin and Krushev said that the Capitalist West will sell them the rope to hang us. They understood the pigs running this country much better than our fellow citizens ever do. The Rich are only loyal to the acquisition of more money. Know your enemy. Joshua2 I won't deny the slipperiness of capitalist ethics. But I do know that the RD that led to the creation of the supercomputers we're talking about here was funded heavily by the Federal government, including much gelt from the black budget. The computer business is as tied to government for its funding as is the defense industry. (Look at the origins of both the defense industry and the computer industry--both were originally created either directly as government initiatives or with substantial government funding and direction.) Without the Feds stoking the fire, nothing would ever get done on RD. (BTW, that's not an advertisement for Big Government but a simple statement of historical fact. By itself, industry will concentrate on producing the same thing as the competition in a different package...that's what capitalist competition amounts to.) And if the Feds suggest that a *slight addition* might be made to the chips in the computers, why, who are the captains of industry to say no to a perfectly reasonable request? These deals with China and other "pariah states" are most certainly not the result of operations by rogue companies. They are instead carefully calculated to further specific long-range policy objectives of the Federal government, or rather of certain agencies of the Federal government. IMHO, of course. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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-Caveat Lector- Bob, could not pass this up; you are right. Remember, when they built the pyramids, what did they do.they killed the workman and the architect too, I think, because they new all the secrets and the passages of the pyramidsand who says you can't take it with you. Whoever sells that stuff will have all knowledge.of course, any high school hacker these days who is given the password, can accomplish same. I think the architects of that plan to sell the Chinese and the enemies the computer, is a sheer genius..just like the corn, the chips have ears. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- CobolMage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- T H E E N D - T I M E S T I M E S June 10th, 1999 == Huh?? Where did *this* come from? This guy really doesn't seem to understand that the exact same "logical fallacies" he attributes to Islam can be equally well attributed to Christianity. I try to be a practicing Christian, but this kind of apologetic just turns my stomach. Has he actually *read* the Qur'an? Or just tracts from an evangelical publishing house telling him what it says? "Great God! I'd rather be/A pagan suckl'd in a creed outworn..." than this kind of Christian. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- The Koran is like Aesops Fablesbut a quiet peaceful book worth reading I knew this Grand Dragon of the KKK once, whom I liked very much when I got to know him. He called me once to ask what I knew about two brothers who wanted to join; I said, well, they did threaten a Federal Judge recently, and got caught. What you do in a case like that. Well, he said, I just give them a bible to read, and bore them to death for awhile, they get tired and disinterested very easily. Takes one to know oneand an infiltrator, is an infiltrator.this man died recently, had his own set of valuesbut he was a fine American and a Patriot; at the time I had been told it was the KKK who wrecked my housethis man came with hammer and nails, etc., and repaired a lot of damagebefore he died, he gave me a Steiner Violin.which is worth more than just money to me. So reading the Koran.as they saycan turn one into a kinder, more gentle person; it is the laws the Arabs inflict upon themselves through their dictators and Kings which do not reflect th religion, that makes one wonder who and what they really arewell, oil barons, blooming Arabic Mafiathe original Black Hand.' ' Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990609b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No antiwar protesters were hosed down like rats to produce this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Clerics close sacred compound. JERUSALEM (AP) Muslim clerics indefinitely closed the Al Aqsa Mosque compound to tourists to protest what they said were attempts by Jewish extremists to pray at Islam's third holiest site. The holy sites have been closed to visitors in the past over similar rows. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559850782-854 : Does your belief system provoke you to practice rituals at sites esteemed by competing belief systems? Is this worship or sacrilege? Is this much fun? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Russia to abandon Mir. MOSCOW (AP) Russia's space agency confirmed that the Mir space station would be left unmanned following its crew's departure in August, the first step toward discarding it early next year. By leaving it empty instead of abandoning it immediately, Russian space officials are putting off the painful moment of scuttling Mir, the last symbol of Russia's space glory. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559850899-a41 : Do you want to: vandalize Mir; salvage it; use it as a base to beam mind- control rays at Earth, or for dropping bombs; use it as a movie set; other? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Computer export rules may be eased. WASHINGTON (AP) The US gov't is con- sidering making it easier for U.S. companies to sell high-powered computers to other countries by easing export restrictions on them. China is drooling; see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559852475-ccb : Do you want to buy a supercomputer? Do you need it for your nuclear devel- opment program? Could you tie together a bunch of Pentiums to achieve that? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** 'Choose Life' license plates to appear in Fla. TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) "Choose Life," two words carrying an emotionally charged message about abortion, will be on some Florida license plates under a new law. Money raised by sales of the $20 specialty plate, which bears a crayon drawing of children, will go to support organizations that serve pregnant women who plan to put their babies up for adoption. But opponents argue it bears a divisive political message, one some feel so strongly about it could even spark road rage. www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559854064-b7d : Would you kill someone because of their auto licence plate? Do you need an excuse? Does road rage run your life? Do you drive with a gun? Is it loaded? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ SHOULD WE BAN MULLING WHILE DRIVING? Studies have shown that driving with two hands isn't necessarily safer than driving with one - and more accidents occur after a cell phone call and not during it. So maybe it's the "mulling it over" that is dangerous - so should we outlaw mulling? Or outlaw driving? http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13058 @ WHAT, BESIDES CELL PHONES, DISTRACTS DRIVERS? Clearly, cell phones are not the only distractions - there are also passengers, children, eating, putting on makeup. If we really wanted to make everyone super safe, we would require everyone in a car to wear a helmet. So all those do-gooders out there who want to help - that's what will help. Or wrap all car passengers in cotton. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13060 : Do you mull hazardously? Does an alien implant interfere with your driving or does it focus you, make you a better driver? If The Rapture occurs while you're talking on your cellphone, would you notice? Who'll get your car? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ *** Cross dressing day riles parents. FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) A middle school scheduled a cross-dressing day as part of fun-themed week, but when some parents failed to see the humor the principal admitted the event was poorly named. "My son said he wanted me to take him to Wal-Mart to buy him a dress or he wouldn't go to school. I think it's the wrong direction to morally steer the students." To celebrate results of state achievement tests, eighth graders decided to have a week of theme days, including pajama day, school spirit day and clash day when students wear outfits that don't match. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2559852852-473 : Do you like to cross-dress? Would you rather dress as a member of another sex, race, class, species? Would you rather go naked and remove all doubts? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ The Trekkie Affliction: www.feedmag.com/daily/dy060499_master.html @ RE - Election screenplay, protest politics, and good sex: http://www.feedmag.com/re/re222_master.html?alert @ Battlespaces. The Kosovo conflict signals a new kind of war -- and a new kind of risk:
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of disinformation. Please read "America: What Went Wrong" by Barlett and Steele. Sowell's points are refuted by the statistical evidence compiled by these two Philadelphia Inquirer researchers. Their study is based on US Census and OMB statistics which show that the bottom half of American society is worse off than they were in the halycon days of Jimmy Carter. Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position. On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Income, taxes and demagoguery by Thomas Sowell WHEN YOU HEAR POLITICIANS and intellectuals talking -- often very loudly -- about "the rich," do you ever wonder who they are talking about and how much money those "rich" people make? And do you ever wonder why those who are making so much noise about the rich don't just come right out and tell us what kind of money they are talking about? Instead, we hear about the top 10 percent or the top 5 percent. But why so squeamish about saying how much money that represents? There is a reason for all this noise about the rich and for all the silence about how much money is involved. Talking about the rich is politically very useful for whipping up envy and getting support for heavy taxes. But the incomes of most people in the top 5 or 10 percent are a lot less than most Americans would consider rich. If the incomes of all the people in an American household adds up to $72,000, that puts them in the top 10 percent of all households. But, when a husband and wife make $36,000 apiece, most of us would not consider them rich. Nor would we be likely to think that putting heavy taxes on them would be a good idea. Any attempt to lower the taxes of such a couple is guaranteed to bring out the noisy demagogues in Congress, denouncing "tax cuts for the rich" because people in the top 10 percent would benefit. But the only people whose taxes can be cut are the people who are paying taxes -- mostly people in the upper brackets, who are not rich. Even the top 5 percent of households do not usually fit what most of us would consider to be the rich. If all the incomes in your household add up to $127,000, then you are one of those top 5 percent who are so rich that the government thinks it should be taxing you like mad. That's $63,500 apiece if husband and wife are both working about what mid-level civil servants would make. Or, if only one person is working and earning the whole $127,000 alone, that is about the average salary of a college president -- and much less than the average income of a college athletic coach. It is nowhere in the ball park compared to the incomes of top lawyers, corporate executives or professional athletes. What about the really rich people --- the ones with their own private jets and mansions here and there? There are such people but there are not enough of them to affect the statistics very much. Moreover, genuinely rich people usually have tax accountants to go with their jets and mansions, so that they can keep their jets and mansions. The people who really get hit hard by taxes that are supposed to be aking the rich are ordinary people who happen to be at the stage of their lives where they are earning more than they did in years past and more than they will be earning in the future. These are largely people in their 50s or early 60s who have worked their way up to a decent income and are seeing much of it drained away by politicians who proclaim that "the rich" ought to pay "their fair share." This "fair share" is as completely undefined as "the rich" themselves. The demagogues don't dare talk specifics in either case or people will start to see through them. If we look at wealth instead of income, it becomes even more obvious that "the rich" are not a different class of people but largely people in older age brackets who have accumulated some money in a pension fund, paid off most of their mortgage and put a little money aside to see them through retirement and the illnesses of old age. The average net worth of households headed by someone 65 years old or older is more than 10 times the net worth of households headed by someone under 35 years of age. But these aren't different classes of people, because everyone who is 65 or older was once 35 or younger. Many of the statistical "poor" are just as fictitious as the statistical "rich." For most Americans, being in the bottom 20 percent of the income distribution is strictly a transitional phase. More of them rise to the top 20 percent than remain at the bottom, and the rest of them are scattered all in between. Most Americans are likely to have incomes in the top 10 percent at some point or other during their lives. So when politicians start talking about taxing the rich, send not to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
Re: [CTRL] The Media's Role in Federal Government
-Caveat Lector- You're absolutely correct, Prudy. I listened to Brian Lamb's interview with a Pacifica reporter (Amy...sorry I don't remember her last name). She gave a disturbing account of a recent Press Club Awards ceremony in which Pacifica radio was supposed to receive an award for its reportage. When she tried to chastize the assembled reporters for failing to provide objective coverage of NATO atrocities, Tom Brokaw, the master of ceremonies, told her that "this isn't the time or the place!" Our press is controlled by the corporate media, and stories which might criticize NWO schemes are "spiked." On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/06/1999 11:24:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not too many years ago, news reporters seemed to do a better job of holding our leaders accountable. Our Constitutional right (and protection) of "freedom of the press" still exists, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for us lately. That's because our federal government controls the press. Oh please - not another conspiracy theory! I truly hate to suggest a conspiracy explanation of anything. Mainstream Americans generally won't buy it, and mainstream media's favorite sarcastic topic for editorials, at least in Arkansas, is "conspiracy nuts." Yeah, but they're beginning to be believers. As for our media. It's been bought and paid for. Those that haven't got a price tend to die in odd circumstances. Even C-SPAN is suspect. When George Seldes died, there wsn't even a whisper for a fellow journalist from that bastion of fairness. Oh well. The funeral for our Democracy was held, and since our Media refused to print an obituary, most of us never even knew it. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] COST OF PROTECTIONISM
-Caveat Lector- The free trade vs. protectionism debate is something of a joke. I once spent a desultory afternoon searching through the stacks of the local university for information on Frederich List, a nineteenth century German economist who championed the American system of tariffs (defended by Hamilton, Carey and later Lincoln). Not surprisingly, my search yielded nothing. However, not surprisingly, there were close to eighty books dealing with Adam Smith, the British economist most closely identified with "free trade" theory. So, it's not surprising that the majority of Americans have been brainwashed into believing that "free trade" economic theory gave rise to the American economic juggernaut. Of course, this is a laughable and rather cruel lie when it is examined from the vantage point of American economic history. And, ironically, the Republican Party, once the champion of protectionism, has now become the leading force behind "free trade." Sadly, we are now repeating Britain's worst economic blunders. And what do we see in 1999 after thirty-five years of "free trade"? We see an American middle class that is fast disappearing. Of course, when it looked like the Asians were going to totally capture Silicon Valley, some protectionist measures were pushed through Congress to save the last few industries we still have... Thanks to "free trade," Americans are now married to the global economy.. We have to wear shoes and clothes that are going to fall apart in a few months... Shoes!!! Have you noticed how the shoe departments in Walmart and Target smell!!! I doubt if Bill Clinton or George Bush's kids are wearing these slave labor produced products! I remember a time when we had American shoes made my American workers...and we had products that were designed to last... of course, that was an America that still gave some measure of lip service to the idea of "we the people." Free trade has not given the consumers a "break." Of course, I'm not against foreign manufactured products per se If the country provides a decent standard of living and guarantees the civil liberties of its citizens, then, by all means, let's trade with them. But personally, I would like to see all of you who consider yourselves "globalists" and "free traders" to leave the country. Perhaps, you could go to a free trade paradise down in the Bahamas and leave the nation to those who love her. On Mon, 7 Jun 1999, Carl Amedio wrote: -Caveat Lector- COST OF PROTECTIONISM Ironically, political pressure for trade protection has grown during the current economic expansion. Similarly, the infamous Smoot-Hawley Tariff was enacted at a time of unprecedented prosperity. It may be that economists have not done a very good job of explaining either the benefits of free trade or the costs of protection. A new study from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis estimates the cost of protectionism to the United States. o St. Louis Fed economist Howard Wall calculates that U.S. exports would have been 26.2 percent higher in 1996 if other countries practiced free trade. o Wall found that U.S. protectionism also hurt, costing consumers more than $100 billion. o In a recent speech in Dallas, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the ultimate cost of protection can be even higher if it blocks the flow of technology and new ideas that are the life's blood of economic progress. Similarly, the benefits of free trade may not be as apparent as their perceived costs in terms of job displacement. However, the benefits are large. o According to a new study by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade in Australia, a 50 percent reduction in world tariffs would increase the world economy by more than $400 billion per year (see figure http://www.ncpa.org/pd/gif/pd6799.gif ). o Complete elimination of tariffs would add $750 billion to the world economy annually. A final source of protectionist sentiment may be the understatement of U.S. exports, which exacerbates the recorded trade deficit. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, exports may be understated by as much as 10 percent, due to the undercounting of small exports and other factors. This may make people think that restricting imports is necessary to restore balance. More accurate counting of exports, therefore, may help reduce protectionist pressure. Source: Bruce Bartlett, senior fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis, June 7, 1999. For text http://www.ncpa.org/oped/bartlett.html For Australian study http://www.dfat.gov.au/trade/negotiations/gtr_2000.pdf For St. Louis Fed study http://www.stls.frb.org/docs/publications/review/99/01/9901hw.pdf For Alan Greenspan's speech http://www.bog.frb.fed.us/boarddocs/speeches/1999/19990416.htm For Census Bureau study
Re: [CTRL] The Media's Role in Federal Government
-Caveat Lector- Prudy: As people use the internet more, it becomes the greatest news reporting system in the world; it might get infiltrated from time to time by those pretending to be something other than they are, and pranksters might spread a few stories that boomerang at timesbut a good sense of humor will get by all that. The news media is beginning to feel not only the wrath of the internetbut is impact against their growing system of lies and censored news. One would think that someone is holding the sword of that ancient god, and I forget how to spell his name, anyway holding a sword over their heads by a thread..they have not sold out, they are being forced out. Nobody watched the news much, except for this horrible hard copy when it peaked going after Michael Jackson, the alleged child molester - or tearing apart Princess Dianabut oh the tears they shed when she diedtoday, at least, now that they have the attention of hte public by using the soap opera drama in the White House, you find even now, more and more people are drawn to the internetwho the hell ever watched Tim Russert that much...this grinning, overbearing idiot now wants to replace Geraldo, the latter will go onto the public trough, which is where he has been feeding for some time now. The press and payolla - more than managed news now, tis censored news. Deep in their hearts, nobody really wants the President of the United States tried for treason - they just want him to go away and stay away it would seem - at least in the internet news, that would seem to reflect the public. MSNBC, MTV, CNNno matter if we watch them or not (and remember, CBS won the Super Bowl) no matter what, if we buy th products they advertise from Wheaties to Alka Seltzer, we will be paying payolla to Jim Carville (its payback time) and Michael Jackson, and Marilyn Mansonfor every song they sing, or lie they tell, we pay for it. Boycott is a startthe internet is the last bastion of freedom in the USA. Don't let them get that. Colleen. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- Much of the R and D in high tech industries is funded by the taxpayers... We have NASA, NSA, Livermore, MIT, the mammoth defense contractors.. Silicon Valley has had its share of government subsidies.. So the argument that market forces (capitalism) are responsible for high tech innovations is false. When "the invisible hand" stays invisible, government comes to the rescue. Read the essay, "Cyberselfish" for a more balanced view. On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- 6/6/99 No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there always remains the deadly constants. 1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes concentration of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and exploitation of society. 2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the planet can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth. 3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist can steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other. 4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money. 5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists. Joshua2 = "Taylor, John (JH)" wrote: -Caveat Lector- New York Times June 5, 1999 Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thunder By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns, thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of individuals into serving the social good. Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University, wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth. But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow. Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of collaboration among rivals. Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold rise in the living standards of American families over the last 100 years, he says in a new manuscript. Baumol's contribution is not to emphasize the impact of innovation but to pinpoint how competition forces companies to make innovation routine, much as marketing and advertising are. In Baumol's analysis, capitalism emerges as a system that hums because it has figured out how to make innovation humdrum. Baumol shows how companies pour money not only into their own research and development but also into such operations by their rivals. Yes, their rivals. Firms participate in joint ventures that hire teams of researchers to develop technologies that the firms will share. They also engage in the largely unrecognized practice by which companies enter into technology-sharing compacts. Under these compacts, a company like IBM writes contracts with competitors, like Hitachi. The companies promise to license future innovations to each other for a set fee. That way, if Hitachi comes up with a spiffy next-generation disk drive, IBM is guaranteed the right to incorporate Hitachi's new drive in its own computers. It might seem odd for an economist like Baumol to herald collaboration among potential competitors. By jumping into the arms of rivals, companies appear to dull their incentive to innovate on their own. After all, if they can imitate rivals, why bother to innovate on one's own? To understand Baumol's point, put yourself in the place of IBM. You could try to piggyback off Hitachi's innovations, dismissing your own engineers. But that strategy would collapse. At the very least, you would be dishing out hundreds of millions of dollars each year to rivals without getting anything in return. Worse, Hitachi would soon drop the agreements, because they make sense only if it expects to get about as many new products from IBM as it provides to IBM. Nor would it make economic sense to beef up your investment in innovations without entering technology-sharing contracts. If four or five of your major rivals share innovations among themselves, then they will generate lots of ideas, drowning out the efforts of your one research
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- In the following Mr. Tunstall writes that Thomas Sowell has been proven wrong by two Philidelphia Inquirer researchers. He does not specify what exactly in his article has been refuted. However, he does state that their study shows: "that the bottom half of American society is worse off than they were in the halycon days of Jimmy Carter". This may or may not be true, but I could find no reference to that question in the whole of Mr. Sowell's article. Howard Davis -- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery Date: Wed, Jun 9, 1999, 2:25 PM -Caveat Lector- Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of disinformation. Please read "America: What Went Wrong" by Barlett and Steele. Sowell's points are refuted by the statistical evidence compiled by these two Philadelphia Inquirer researchers. Their study is based on US Census and OMB statistics which show that the bottom half of American society is worse off than they were in the halycon days of Jimmy Carter. Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position. On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Income, taxes and demagoguery by Thomas Sowell WHEN YOU HEAR POLITICIANS and intellectuals talking -- often very loudly -- about "the rich," do you ever wonder who they are talking about and how much money those "rich" people make? And do you ever wonder why those who are making so much noise about the rich don't just come right out and tell us what kind of money they are talking about? Instead, we hear about the top 10 percent or the top 5 percent. But why so squeamish about saying how much money that represents? There is a reason for all this noise about the rich and for all the silence about how much money is involved. Talking about the rich is politically very useful for whipping up envy and getting support for heavy taxes. But the incomes of most people in the top 5 or 10 percent are a lot less than most Americans would consider rich. If the incomes of all the people in an American household adds up to $72,000, that puts them in the top 10 percent of all households. But, when a husband and wife make $36,000 apiece, most of us would not consider them rich. Nor would we be likely to think that putting heavy taxes on them would be a good idea. Any attempt to lower the taxes of such a couple is guaranteed to bring out the noisy demagogues in Congress, denouncing "tax cuts for the rich" because people in the top 10 percent would benefit. But the only people whose taxes can be cut are the people who are paying taxes -- mostly people in the upper brackets, who are not rich. Even the top 5 percent of households do not usually fit what most of us would consider to be the rich. If all the incomes in your household add up to $127,000, then you are one of those top 5 percent who are so rich that the government thinks it should be taxing you like mad. That's $63,500 apiece if husband and wife are both working about what mid-level civil servants would make. Or, if only one person is working and earning the whole $127,000 alone, that is about the average salary of a college president -- and much less than the average income of a college athletic coach. It is nowhere in the ball park compared to the incomes of top lawyers, corporate executives or professional athletes. What about the really rich people --- the ones with their own private jets and mansions here and there? There are such people but there are not enough of them to affect the statistics very much. Moreover, genuinely rich people usually have tax accountants to go with their jets and mansions, so that they can keep their jets and mansions. The people who really get hit hard by taxes that are supposed to be aking the rich are ordinary people who happen to be at the stage of their lives where they are earning more than they did in years past and more than they will be earning in the future. These are largely people in their 50s or early 60s who have worked their way up to a decent income and are seeing much of it drained away by politicians who proclaim that "the rich" ought to pay "their fair share." This "fair share" is as completely undefined as "the rich" themselves. The demagogues don't dare talk specifics in either case or people will start to see through them. If we look at wealth instead of income, it becomes even more obvious that "the rich" are not a different class of people but largely people in older age brackets who have accumulated some money in a pension fund, paid off most of their mortgage and put a little money aside to see them through retirement and the illnesses of old age. The average net worth of households headed by someone 65 years old or older is more than 10 times the net worth of households headed by someone under 35 years of age. But these aren't
[CTRL] Military Helicopters Terrorize Las Vegas
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday, June 08, 1999 Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal Helicopters give residents scare Air Force officials cannot say why a night exercise would have brought four aircraft roaring over town. By Keith Rogers Review-Journal Air Force officials could not explain why four military helicopters on a special exercise late Sunday night at the Tonopah Test Range thundered over Goldfield, terrifying residents and sending dust flying at the town's airstrip, where one of the craft touched down. "We don't know why they were hanging around Goldfield," said Nellis Air Force Base spokesman Mike Estrada about the mysterious flights that occurred about 9:15 and 10:15 Sunday night on the outskirts of the Tonopah Test Range. The test range is the northern section of the 3-million-acre Nellis Air Force Range. Residents in the Esmeralda County community of 450, which has one blinking traffic signal and is 186 miles northwest of Las Vegas, were rudely awakened by the ruckus. "Those guys scared the hell out of this town last night," Justice of the Peace Juanita Colvin said Monday. Another resident, Virginia Ridgway, who lives in the middle of town, one block south of U.S. Highway 95, said she thought "it was an airliner coming down. "It was so loud. It was right over the house, and then I thought a helicopter was going to crash on the house. It sounded like something big and heavy and loud. I thought, 'Oh well, I'm 66. That's it,' " she said. For Ridgway, being buzzed by helicopters was yet another encounter with government aircraft, from jets that seemed as if they were going to fly into her car's tailpipe as she was driving down the road to an off-course rocket that was launched from the Nevada Test Site in October 1997. The 34-foot-long, $2 million Sandia National Laboratories experimental rocket "went right over the house," she said, before it crashed and burned on public lands about 10 miles from Goldfield. "They should be staying the hell on the range and leaving us alone," Ridgway said. "They've got more land than they need out there. They don't need to be scaring citizens in the middle of the night." Estrada described the craft involved in Sunday night's incident as dual-rotor CH-47 Chinook cargo-transport helicopters. He said they were probably Army or Marine craft connected to the Air Force Special Operation Command, a multi-service organization based in Hurlburt, Fla. "They could have been from anywhere," he said. He said that Tonopah Test Range officials "knew helicopters were coming to take part in a special exercise." Asked if the helicopters were off course, he said: "It's extremely unlikely because of the modern navigation systems on board. Until we know why they were in the Goldfield area, we really can't say anything else. "We're still trying to determine who they are," Estrada said. Howard Vaughn, a Federal Aviation Administration flight standards manager in Las Vegas, said the helicopter pilots may have violated a regulation that prohibits them from operating at altitudes that would be a hazard to people or property. Grace Potorti, director of the Rural Alliance for Military Accountability, criticized military officials for conducting a late-night exercise over Goldfield residents when the unpopulated range is designated for that purpose. "It just gives me shivers to think about the fact that these people woke up wondering if they were in a war zone," she said. Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal, 1997, 1998, 1999 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: Bomb in the backyard
-Caveat Lector- June 9th 1999 Hello to all! After last night bombing of Oil Refinery in Pancevo, our part of town is full of small soot-like sheets that lie on the ground - I heard that it could be remains of the paint from the oil tanks that were bombed. When you pick up these little black sheets from the ground, they are usually just falling apart. Last night, at the top of our building, somebody saw something that looked like a big block of unknown shiny black material , hovering above the 8 store building. It seems that materials from the Oil Refinery were launched for kilometers around ! One of the cameramen, who was present at the site just 15 minutes after the strike, told our friend that the giant flame in Oil Refinery has been sucking up a big quantity of oxygen , so that he felt that he was attracted by the fire in a most unusual way, and that any minute he could be pushed inside it. He compared that experience to "being swallowed by a whirlwind". This morning when I went outside it seemed to me at first that it was a cloudy weather that was hiding the sun on the horizon. It took me few moments to realize that what was spreading on the sky above was in fact an enormous black cloud, coming out of the Oil Refinery... Last time during the similar NATO action against the same plant in Pancevo, the big cloud has traveled 1000's of kilometers away from Serbia, reaching as far as Scandinavia !... One of the "specialties" of the previous Oil Refinery bombing was a "black rain" that fell on Pancevo, and it is possible that same thing will happen today as well. I heard on the news that two of the NATO projectiles that fell on Belgrade last night haven't actually exploded. One of the projectiles that fell in a part of town called Kotez has crashed through the roof of a private house, and landed in a backyard unexploded. The similar incident occurred ten days ago, when the NATO projectile hit a house not so far away from the center of Belgrade, while the mother and her son were inside, and they were not hurt by some miracle, even though the living room was completely destroyed... The bomb, unexploded, eventually landed in the backyard, eight meters under the ground! Specialists are still trying to dismantle it, without much success, because of the very difficult position of the projectile. For 10 days, the whole neighborhood is living with the knowledge that the bomb is still with them, a few dozen meters away from their homes Who would even think that things like that could happen. See you soon Sasa DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[SC] Skeptic News - Wednesday #2]
-Caveat Lector- "ric carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip @ SHOULD WE BAN MULLING WHILE DRIVING? Studies have shown that driving with two hands isn't necessarily safer than driving with one - and more accidents occur after a cell phone call and not during it. So maybe it's the "mulling it over" that is dangerous - so should we outlaw mulling? Or outlaw driving? http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13058 @ WHAT, BESIDES CELL PHONES, DISTRACTS DRIVERS? Clearly, cell phones are not the only distractions - there are also passengers, children, eating, putting on makeup. If we really wanted to make everyone super safe, we would require everyone in a car to wear a helmet. So all those do-gooders out there who want to help - that's what will help. Or wrap all car passengers in cotton. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=13060 : Do you mull hazardously? Does an alien implant interfere with your driving or does it focus you, make you a better driver? If The Rapture occurs while you're talking on your cellphone, would you notice? Who'll get your car? snip First, who conducted the studies on whether talking on cell phones increased the accident rate? I'll bet it was somebody like Nokia or Motorola, which automatically biased the study. Yes, I know there are a lot of other things that can cause accidents--I once caused one hell of a collision by taking my eyes off the road for a split-second to tune the radio, so I'd be the last to deny that. People do all sorts of shit in their cars that they shouldn't--they shave, dry their hair, put on makeup, read the newspaper (WHILE DRIVING!!!--the idiot actually spread the paper over the steering wheel while the friggin' car was moving!!!). They pick their noses, as if the windshield was one-way glass. I'm surprised they don't...well, you can guess, but there's probably somebody who does. The key here is something my sainted father taught me long years ago: if your eyes leave the road, so will the car. Keep your hands on the wheel and your eyes pointing ahead. If you're talking to a passenger, DON'T turn your head to look at them. DON'T wave your hands. DON'T take both hands off the steering wheel to play the recorder while going 50 m.p.h., as a very dear but *strange* friend of mine once did. You get the idea. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hyde Introduces Bill to Criminalize Sale of Violent Media to Minors
-Caveat Lector- HYDE INTRODUCES BILL TO CRIMINALIZE SALE OF VIOLENT MEDIA TO MINORS! June 9: The WALL STREET JOURNAL reported today that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman, Henry Hyde, introduced legislation on Tuesday that would "outlaw the sale of obscenely violent movies, video games and books to children. The Illinois Republican wants to put retailers in charge of enforcing the ban, with the threat of jail terms for those who fail to comply." The JOURNAL said that Mr. Hyde's proposal would ban the sale to children under 17 of materials containing "the kind of violence that appeals to the prurient, morbid or shameful interest of children, without social redeeming value for children." The JOURNAL also said, "Congress has debated the issue of media violence as far back as 1954, when Sen. Estes Kefauver chaired hearings on whether comic books contribute to juvenile delinquency. But until now, there has never been a serious attempt to create legislation." While the bill's language does not mention comics specifically, any legislation that is aimed at regulating book sales would no doubt impact the comic book markets as well. It was unclear this morning whether the proposals were part of the House version of the Juvenile-Justice bill that passed the Senate in the wake of the Littleton massacre last month. The NEW YORK TIMES reported that Hyde's proposal "will apparently come to the House floor as its own amendment." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] COST OF PROTECTIONISM]
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The free trade vs. protectionism debate is something of a joke. I once spent a desultory afternoon searching through the stacks of the local university for information on Frederich List, a nineteenth century German economist who championed the American system of tariffs (defended by Hamilton, Carey and later Lincoln). Not surprisingly, my search yielded nothing. However, not surprisingly, there were close to eighty books dealing with Adam Smith, the British economist most closely identified with "free trade" theory. Websites on Friedrich List: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/1223/krnkn_list_f.html http://www.fh-reutlingen.de/~www-fli/ [in German] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5148/listbio.html http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/list/ Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Military Helicopters Terrorize Las Vegas]
-Caveat Lector- Mack White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Tuesday, June 08, 1999 Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal Helicopters give residents scare Air Force officials cannot say why a night exercise would have brought four aircraft roaring over town. By Keith Rogers Review-Journal Air Force officials could not explain why four military helicopters on a special exercise late Sunday night at the Tonopah Test Range thundered over Goldfield, terrifying residents and sending dust flying at the town's airstrip, where one of the craft touched down. snip We live five miles from the Willow Grove Naval Air Station in Horsham, Pa., which houses Air Force Reserve and Marine Reserve units as well as naval personnel. The Air Force squadron flies A-10 Warthogs; the Marines fly several different types of helicopter, and there seem to be a number of Navy choppers as well. ALL of them have been conducting training missions which seem to fly directly over our house, with increasing frequency as the war in Kosovo has heated up. The pilots seem to take particular pleasure in creating as much noise as possible...military engines must be deliberately designed to be louder than anything else, to intimidate the enemy, or deafen them, whichever comes first. One Sunday just after the bombing had begun in Serbia, we were sitting in silent meeting for worship at our Quaker meetinghouse (which has been there *much* longer than the naval air station but which is now directly in the flight path), meditating on the death and destruction our air force was inflicting...when two Warthogs flew over at about 500 feet, low enough to make the windows rattle. In a straight line from the airfield, there must be a dozen churches of as many different denominations, all of which would have been holding services right then. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- As a technology professional with over tens years Internet experience, I can testify to William Hugh Tunstall comments. The subsidies are often indirect through the granting of minor or major monopolies, (for a good example see the history of ATT, and the monopoly they had for well over a half a century).The government often has a dual use/dual purpose agenda in these areas, with strong linkages between industry, academia, and government. Capitalism does not thrive on competition, on the contrary the false Darwinian construct of competition seeks to explain market forces, price patterns as the justification of arcane economic mechanism is simply derived non-sense. Capitalism seeks to aggregate resources, and to wipe out threats to expanding growth of competitors or monopolize energy, whether it be in the form of money, information, food, fuel, or other raw material. However monopolistic forces wipeout innovation because there is no incentive. Does this make capitalism bad? No, just its false and widely practice Darwinist credo which has slowly inculcated the modern economic thinking. Innovation has always been the driver of capitalism, it like saying that water is necessary for life. William Baumol's bullshit announcement smacks of fascination with the obvious. Innovation has always been the great inducer of capital, which is patently obvious to most casual observer. It should not be surprising that firms sign strategic partnerships with their competitors seeing that their innovations will ultimately fuel their own innovations. As Peter Drucker said nearly ten years ago"International economic theory is obsolete, the traditional factors of production land, capital and labor are constraints rather than driving forces, only information has become the one true factor of production, it underlies the most powerful and radical transformation in the global economy."A la Internet! Jeffrey C Hearon Founder CEO SCIO-LTD http://www.scio-ltd.net http://www.scio-ltd.com http://www.scio-ltd.org - Original Message - From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal. -Caveat Lector- Much of the R and D in high tech industries is funded by the taxpayers... We have NASA, NSA, Livermore, MIT, the mammoth defense contractors.. Silicon Valley has had its share of government subsidies.. So the argument that market forces (capitalism) are responsible for high tech innovations is false. When "the invisible hand" stays invisible, government comes to the rescue. Read the essay, "Cyberselfish" for a more balanced view. On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, nurev wrote: -Caveat Lector- 6/6/99 No matter what changes and inovations Capitalism goes through, there always remains the deadly constants. 1- Private ownership of large amounts of capital ALWAYS causes concentration of wealth into few hands. With that ALWAYS comes control and exploitation of society. 2- Capitalism, like cancer, is defined by growth. The ecology of the planet can no longer tolerate systems based on waste and growth. 3- Capitalism is theft. Its success depends on how much the capitalist can steal from the worker on one end, and the buyer on the other. 4- Capitalism causes mental illness in the form of addiction to money. 5- No Capitalist is really supportive of competition. Competition is wasteful and chancy. Monopoly is the true aim of capitalists. Joshua2 = "Taylor, John (JH)" wrote: -Caveat Lector- New York Times June 5, 1999 Revising Capitalism: Coorperative Innovation Steals Competition's Thun der By MICHAEL M. WEINSTEIN Capitalism, every undergraduate student of economics learns, thrives on competition. The brilliant virtue of the invisible hand of competition is that it forces firms to reduce costs, cut prices and thereby enrich consumers. This engaging tale has buttressed every economics narrative since Adam Smith lucidly explained more than 200 years ago how competition channels the natural greed of individuals into serving the social good. Now William Baumol, an economics professor at New York University, wants to rewrite the basic tale. Yes, competition creates wealth. But in his new formulation, price cutting becomes a sideshow. Innovation takes center stage as the "primary weapon of competition." And the key to innovation is a clever form of collaboration among rivals. Innovation, the process of translating inventions and new ideas into commercial products, is largely responsible for the tenfold rise in the living standards
[CTRL] Mumia college invitation criticized
-Caveat Lector- http://www.phillynews.com/99/Jun/09/pmbrief_inq.htm Mumia college invitation criticized Plans by a small Washington college to allow convicted Philadelphia police-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal to speak at graduation ceremonies via a videotape has sparked criticism in the nation's capital. "There is no justifiable reason for an institution of higher learning to have a convicted murderer speak to its students," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R., Texas). He vowed to hold a moment of silence on the floor of the U.S. House on Friday if Evergreen College goes through with its plan to present Abu-Jamal. Washington Gov. Gary Locke has canceled plans to speak at the commencement because of the inclusion of Abu-Jamal, and some students said they will boycott the ceremony. Abu-Jamal has been sentenced to death for the 1981 murder of Officer Daniel Faulkner. A writer, journalist and activist, Abu-Jamal claims he was railroaded to conviction and has become a symbol for opponents of the death penalty. DeLay also praised Faulkner's widow, Maureen, who asked to speak at the ceremony but was refused. She has said she will stand outside the graduation, holding a photograph of her murdered husband as a silent protest. Art Constantino, Evergreen's vice president for student affairs, said hundreds of letters of protest have flooded the college but that they have not changed the school's belief that, to learn, students must be exposed to diverse voices. ... = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- "Christianity is a fine religion. A shame Christians have never PRACTICED it." The same could be said for Islam. Neither Jesus nor Mohammed --nor GOD, certainly-- would ever have condoned the actual behavior of the "believers" in the respective religions now attributed to them DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Subj: "Federal Reserve System" Date: 6/9/99 4:07:33 PM EST From: Ww2vet2 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone sent me this "brief history of the Federal Reserve System" I pass it on for your information. Amendment 16 (income tax) was passed by Congress in 1913. During this same year Congress created the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). Eight "families" immediately bought all the stock (Rothchilds of Europe, Lazards of Paris, Israel Moses Seifs of Italy, Warburgs of Germany, and the Lehmans, Kuhn-Loebs, Goldman-Sacks, and the Rockefellers, all of New York). A total of 76% of the FED is owned by foreigners. When the FED put money into circulation gold and silver were needed in the reserve to be paid on demand to anyone with a gold or silver certificate (money). In 1933 we came off the gold standard and in 1963 we came off the silver standard. As a result, today we have a private group of bankers in control of printing our money. They (the eight families) charge the U.S. tax payers 2.5 cents per bill ($l, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100). These private bankers then loan us this money at face value plus interest. By 1989 our debt to the FED was more than 3 trillion dollars. A person counting a $1,000 bill each second would take 399 years to reach $3,000,000,000,000. Every hour the interest on a 3 trillion dollar national debt is $29,092,470 ... about 52 cents of every tax dollar goes to pay off (to the eight families) the interest on this phony debt. During the 1920's the FED began loaning money to the public to invest in small businesses and the Stock Market. This began a period of great prosperity for the American people, known as the "Roaring 20's". Then in 1928 the "eight families" pulled their money out of the Stock Market and at the same time made it difficult for we the people to borrow money. This created a recession making it necessary for people to pull money out of the Stock Market in order to survive. The Stock Market came crashing down. The "Great Depression" was born. The next move for the "eight families" was to go back to the Stock Market and buy up companies for pennies on the dollar. Since that first great experiment to control this country's wealth the FED has been manipulated for profit from inflation and deflation in 1932, 1937, 1957, 1966, 1970, 1976, 1982, and in our present recession. As the FED (the eight families) grow ever richer and more powerful, Americans go broke. Free Enterprise is what made America great. Do not confuse this with "Capitalism". These "eight families", and others of the super elite, with all of their capital do not like Free Enterprise. They are driven to own and control everything they can, and they do not like competition. The graduated income tax is enforced on the American people to keep small business and the public from ever being able to compete with them. Meanwhile the "eight families", and the super elite, set themselves up in Pure Trusts, and BTO / UBO's to become exempt from paying the tax they initiated on the American people. Today a mere 1% of the population controls 90% of our country's wealth. WHATS THE ANSWER? "We the people" can get back control of our printing presses. Section 31 of the "Federal Reserve Act" allows Congress all of the clout needed to terminate the FED. The Government could then print up U.S. Treasury Notes based on the amount of consumer goods and services needed. They could loan the States and the people money at 4% interest, avoiding the FED's usury ... which has taken away America's hope for a brighter future. The incredible power and influence of the controlling 1% is not likely going to allow this to happen. FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIVATELY OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM SEE: http://www.badgersden.com/ra/rafiles/fedhist.htm Also, (The National Center for Constitutional Studies offers complete information. phone: 1-800-365-1776) [wc=640] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy
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-Caveat Lector- Ain't that the TRUTH? doc ~~~ Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Christianity is a fine religion. A shame Christians have never PRACTICED it." The same could be said for Islam. Neither Jesus nor Mohammed --nor GOD, certainly-- would ever have condoned the actual behavior of the "believers" in the respective religions now attributed to them DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) Was This War Necessary?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 11:22:29 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Was This War Necessary? Institute for Public Accuracy 915 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. 20045 (202) 347-0020 * http://www.accuracy.org * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Wednesday, June 9, 1999 WAS THIS WAR NECESSARY? While many are claiming the peace agreement shows that Milosevic backed down, some analysts are suggesting that essentially the same agreement could have been achieved without bombing. They point to U.S. demands at Rambouillet in February that are absent from the current agreement. While some elements of the new accords remain unclear, apparent major differences between the Rambouillet text and the current agreement include: WHAT MILOSEVIC GAVE UP * Can keep only a few hundred, not a few thousand, troops in Kosovo WHAT NATO GAVE UP * The international force can be deployed only in Kosovo, not throughout Yugoslavia * International force under UN -- not NATO -- auspices, with Russian component * UNHCR, not NATO, supervises return of refugees * No referendum on Kosovo independence PHYLLIS BENNIS, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.zmag.org/zmag/kosovo.htm Author of "Calling the Shots: How Washington Dominates Today's UN" and a fellow at the Institute for Policy Studies, Bennis said: "This agreement might have been achievable months earlier, without the devastation of Yugoslavia and the escalation of the anti-Albanian 'ethnic cleansing' in Kosovo wrought by NATO's bombing campaign." MARJORIE COHN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/article/0,1051,SAV-99052 00 163,000.html Professor at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, Cohn said: "At Rambouillet, NATO presented Milosevic with an ultimatum impossible for him to accept. NATO has now diluted its demands but, to justify two months of bombing, claims Milosevic capitulated..." STEPHEN ZUNES, [EMAIL PROTECTED] An associate professor of politics and chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco, Zunes said: "Most crucially, the insistence at Rambouillet that NATO troops have 'unimpeded access throughout the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia' has been dropped, limiting their role only to Kosovo..." SETH ACKERMAN, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.fair.org A media analyst with Fairness Accuracy In Reporting, Ackerman said: "Last week's Serb agreement was falsely reported as a total NATO victory. Then, when military talks broke down, it was claimed that the Serbs were reneging. In fact, those military talks were largely a NATO ploy -- unsuccessful -- to totally bypass the UN." For more information, contact at the Institute for Public Accuracy: Sam Husseini, (202) 347-0020; or David Zupan, (541) 484-9167 --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:31:49 -0400 Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FAIR [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[FAIR-L] MEDIA ADVISORY: CEASEFIRE SUBTERFUGE To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAIR-L Fairness Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports Media Advisory: CEASEFIRE SUBTERFUGE: Despite Claims of Serb "Stalling," NATO Ploy Delayed Kosovo Deal June 9, 1999 The June 7 breakdown of military talks between Yugoslav and NATO generals was almost uniformly greeted by the major U.S. media as a sign that the Serbs were reneging on their agreement to pull troops out of Kosovo and allow in an international security force. Tom Aspell of NBC News reported that morning that "all hopes of a cease-fire have evaporated" because the "Yugoslavians are balking at the idea of NATO troops replacing their forces in Kosovo." But, with little fanfare, it has emerged that the talks' disruption was in fact caused by the failure of a bizarre NATO diplomatic gambit intended to sideline the United Nations from a settlement - contradicting NATO's earlier commitment to include the U.N. On Thursday, June 3, when the Serb Assembly agreed to the Kosovo peace plan presented by Russian envoy Victor Chernomyrdin and Finnish President Marti Ahtissari, the news media interpreted the accord as a capitulation by Yugoslavia that would bring a swift end to the conflict. Reporters talked of a NATO "victory." Sunday morning pundits were already doling out credit and assigning blame. The papers gave prominent coverage to NATO assertions that the bombing could end "as early as Tuesday," giving the impression that the war was winding down. On Monday, the coverage suddenly changed gears. The front-page headline in USA Today (6/7/99) read "Kosovo Talks Break Down: Yugoslavs Balk at NATO's Conditions to
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-Caveat Lector- From www.hackworth.com DEFENDING AMERICA David H. Hackworth June 7, 1999 DEFANG THE KLA TODAY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES TOMORROW Some of the same Whiz Kids who helped put our country into the Serbian frying pan are continuing to spin out harebrained schemes, trying to improve on their burnt offering. Sources say these Ivy college airheads are now chewing on the idea that the United States should quietly train, arm and equip the Kosovo Liberation Army. Arming the KLA would be like providing Special Forces demolition training to any remaining members of Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh's terrorist gang. In February 1998, Robert Gelbard, Clinton's envoy for Kosovo, said that the KLA "is, without any questions, a terrorist group." Intelligence folks say Gelbard's assessment is dead on the money. The KLA's leadership and ranks are filled with radicals, Islamic crazies and heavy haters who are as responsible as Milosevic's worst thugs for thecatastrophe visited on the tormented people of Yugoslavia. International cops say the KLA includes global drug dealers and arms smugglers who've been in bed with the Albanian Mafia for years. The lawmen report that profits from these shady deals armed the KLA and financed their guerrilla attacks on the Serbian police, military and the residents of Kosovo - terrorist assaults that along with Serbian brutality certainly helped trigger the shootout in Yugoslavia in the first place. Intelligence reports that some KLA members were trained by international bomber Osama bin Laden's outfit and that radical members of the KLA, which is now trying to pose as a legitimate army, have sworn they'll go down shooting rather than give up their guns. Recently Croatian General Agim Ceku became the head of the KLA. While with the Croatian Army, his killing skills were spiffed up by the U.S. mercenary group Military Professional Resources Inc. - a rent-an-American-soldier enterprise led by a cash-starved retired U.S. Army four-star general. In 1995, Gen. Ceku was a player in Operation Storm, a covert Clinton-backed and MPRI-trained Croatian military operation that ethnically cleansed 200,000 Serbs from their homes in Croatia, killing thousands of civilians. Since taking over the KLA, Ceku has purged all of its moderates. If a KLA member was a supporter of Ibrahim Rugova, the exiled "president" of Kosovo who for the past decade has pursued a Gandhi-like nonviolence policy in the troubled province, he was toast. Rugova's peaceful approach is not welcomed by a KLA that's into violently overthrowing the Serbia regime in Kosovo. On the Kosovo battlefield, the KLA has been clobbered by the more heavily armed Serbs in every major fight - even though NATO functioned as its dedicated air force. During the latter phase of the war, the KLA's operations have been reduced to small teams operating as snipers, conducting ambushes and spotting for NATO bombers. These fumbling greenhorns aren't capable of more complex tasks because the KLA is more of a mob than a trained fighting unit. While they have a lot of warm bodies, perhaps as many as 17,000, they have few savvy leaders and their ranks are filled mainly with recruits. Untrained recruits augmented with cutthroats don't make an army. Only well-led, well- trained, well-equipped and well-disciplined soldiers can be molded into effective fighting teams. And this is not done with a wave of a magic wand. It takes about ten years of sweat and hard work to organize, train and field an effective Army from the get-go. Contrary to the Whiz Kids' schemes and dreams, there's no such thing as an instant army. Short-term solutions frequently backfire. U.S. Marines and U.S. Army soldiers who'll walk the dangerous peacekeeping beat in Kosovo shouldn't have American-trained-and-armed terrorists attacking them from the shadows. Once again, as with the 1990s Afghanistan War, we may find ourselves relearning the hard lesson that yesterday's freedom fighters can easily become tomorrow's terrorists. America has a long history of training and arming the Manuel Noriegas and Saddam Husseins only to have their soldiers kill ours when they're no longer our favorite thugs. So the civilian lap top commandos must stop playing Oliver North and give up on the wrongheaded idea of supporting the KLA on the sly. Secret armies composed of wild-eyed thugs and idealistic kids don't work. The KLA must be disarmed, or American peacekeepers will pay a price in the minefields of Kosovo. The end. AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] PJB Hails Hoffa for Stopping Rolling Time Bom
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:35:13 -05:0 Subject:[BRIGADE] PJB Hails Hoffa for Stopping "Rolling Time Bombs" Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Brigade, Please forgive the tardyness of this release - Linda. --- For Immediate Release: Friday, June 4, 1999 BUCHANAN HAILS HOFFA FOR STOPPING 'ROLLING TIME BOMBS' NEW YORK, NY-Today Presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan released the following statement: "The International Brotherhood of Teamsters and President James P. Hoffa have scored a major victory not only for their own 12,800 car-haul workers but for tens of millions of American motorists and their families by stopping the National Automobile Transporters Association from using Mexican trucks and drivers to deliver American cars. "The 3.3 million Mexican trucks entering the U.S. each year average three times the age of American trucks, and of the fewer than 1 in 100 that are inspected, nearly half are forced out of service. Their brakes are often faulty, their tires unsafe, their drivers uninsured or unqualified, their emissions standards abysmal. Deliberately imperiling American families by increasing U.S. highway access for these rolling time bombs would have been unconscionable. "The U.S. has no shortage of reliable trucks and qualified American drivers, but under NAFTA, our workers are forced to compete with Mexican truckers earning one-tenth their wages. NAFTA's ruinous merger of our economy with that of a nation with Third World wages was a betrayal of America's working families. "I commend the IBT's stand for the security of American jobs and the safety of our highways. Mr. Hoffa is one union leader who puts both his own people and his own country first." For more information contact Bob Adams or John Aquino at (703) 734-2700. -30- Help Pat and the Brigade in our Battle for the White House... Go to: http://www.gopatgo2000.org/000-v-helppat.html Spread the word -- forward this email across the USA! *** Don't Miss Out - Join the BRIGADE Email List! - Visit: Official WebSite for Patrick J. Buchanan for President Web: http://www.gopatgo2000.org *** BUCHANAN 2000 *** P.O. Box 2000, Dunn Loring, VA 22027 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 1-703-734-2700 WebMaster - Linda Muller - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers." Universal Declaration of Human Rights + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; no endorsement to be presumed + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (Fwd) Claremont Institute Precepts: Bad Bill Fails
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Claremont Institute Precepts: Bad Bill Fails Date sent: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:10:13 -0700 The Claremont Institute--PRECEPTS | | June 9, 1999 Visit http://www.claremont.org | | No. 172 We are pleased to report an astonishing development in the California legislature last week: A bad bill failed to pass. California is not quite a one-party state, but close. The majority party commands a seven seat margin in the lower house. The bad bill was written and sponsored by one of the more powerful and capable members of the majority. The Speaker of the Assembly gave his personal guarantee the bill would pass. Governor Gray Davis, who is member of the same party as the legislative majority, promised to sign it. The bill was AB 222, dubbed the "Dignity for all Students Act." We have written of it here previously. Sponsored by Assemblywoman Sheila Kuehl, a liberal and outspoken lesbian from Santa Monica, the bill would have added "sexual preference" to the growing list of groups covered under the state education code's anti-discrimination provision. Sounds like a winner. But when the bill finally came to a vote late Thursday night, supporters could not muster the 41 votes needed to pass it. Eight members of the majority broke ranks and voted against the bill -- despite heavy whipping by their leadership, including threats of abandonment in the next election if they did not tow the party line. Debate lasted two and a half hours, during which opponents were greeted with the customary charge that they are Nazis. None of them seem actually to be members of that party. Backers of AB 222 said a law is needed to address the problem of harassment and abuse directed against homosexual students in schools. There are plenty of rules already against harassment and abuse, as there are against assault and physical violence. Those rules need to be enforced, and if they are not enforced it will not help to pass more rules. Harassment, abuse, and violence ought not to be permitted in schools against any students, including homosexuals, but not only they. But this is not the point of AB 222: it is rather to endorse the special claim to virtue of the homosexual style of life. To endorse that claim is a big step. Schools, it was once thought, should teach essential knowledge and build character. Character depends upon the practice of the virtues, moral and intellectual. The moral virtues encompass the fidelity and self-control that make family life healthy. Without healthy family life, there would be few children. In that case Mary would have to bring many lambs to school, to avoid loneliness. AB 222 did not confine itself to restrictions against harassment. The draft under consideration until just one day before the final vote would have affected what was said in the classroom upon the subject of family life. Family life is in a poor state in America today, although just lately a promising little inch has been reclaimed from the many acres lost. Divorce is down a little, for example. People are taking a new look at the common practice of late term abortion in our land. Generally the sexual revolution is understood now to carry costs, some of them high. We should be looking to keep momentum going that way. The California legislature did its part, at least for a day last week. Count your blessings. Sincerely, Larry P. Arnn President, The Claremont Institute - Copyright (c) 1999 The Claremont Institute To subscribe to Precepts, go to: http://www.claremont.org/subscrib.cfm , or e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . To be removed from this list, go to : http://www.claremont.org/remove_public.cfm , or e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . For general correspondence or additional information about the Claremont Institute, e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] , or visit our website at : http://www.claremont.org . Changing your e-mail address? Please let us know at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] . For press inquiries, contact Nazalee Topalian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or (909) 621-6825. The mission of the Claremont Institute for the Study of Statesmanship and Political Philosophy is to restore the principles of the American Founding to their rightful, preeminent authority in our national life. The Claremont Institute | 250 West First Street | Suite 330 | Claremont, CA 91711 | Phone (909) 621-6825 | Fax (909) 626-8724 AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + +
[CTRL] Tabloidations
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From Slate.CoM
In view of the premise that Hollyweird has an immense influence on
our daily lives, the following is being shared so all can have some
assistance in keeping track of the 'movers and shakers' thereat.
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keeping tabs
Touched by a Tabloid: Rosie O'Donnell rediscovers her faith, Tommy Lee
exorcises his demons, and Alicia Silverstone blesses the elephants.
By Jennifer Mendelsohn
Maybe it's a touch of premillennial fever or all that
post-Columbine soul-searching, but for whatever reason, the
tabloids turn their collective eyes toward heaven this month and
find God. Even when the Big Guy himself is not explicitly
mentioned--and he's mentioned plenty--the current crop of tabloid
offerings brims with so many transcendent crises (life-threatening
illnesses, brushes with sudden death, ruminations on mortality,
profligate lives steered straight and narrow) that it feels like one
long episode of Touched by an Angel.
The Globe, for starters, details not one but two exorcisms underway
this month: one performed on Burke Ramsey, the brother of murdered
child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey, to "rid [him] of any remaining
memories" from the murder; and one on Mötley Crüe drummer Tommy Lee.
Lee's exorcism has supposedly unearthed the "sweet little boy" inside
him, spurring ex-wife Pamela Anderson to run back into his tattooed
arms--and, apparently, into his bed. Pregnancy rumors abound, but only
the Globe has a damning photo of Anderson's abdomen, highlighted with
a red circle to point out its eyebrow-raising convexity.
Talk show host Rosie O'Donnell has also had spiritual matters on
her mind of late. After 25 years as a lapsed Catholic, the Enquirer
reports, O'Donnell recently "took God back into her heart." And,
according to the Star, she is so terrified of dying young that she has
entered into a pact with perhaps the world's most famous lapsed
Catholic, Madonna, to make sure her children will be cared for. Hoping
to keep the Grim Reaper at bay, O'Donnell is also said to be
assiduously dieting and exercising.
We heartily recommend that she do whatever it takes to stay in the
here and now, if only to avoid being included in the Enquirer's
"Scandals of the Century" double issue, which devotes an entire
section ("The Quick and the Dead") to celebs cut down too soon. Unlike
O'Donnell, actor River Phoenix was apparently quite keen on the idea
of checking out early. "I don't want to die from old age in a nursing
home," he reportedly told a friend. "I'll be the best-looking guy in
the morgue." It was surely in the interest of proving the accuracy of
this prediction, therefore, that the Enquirer chose to run a
post-mortem photo of the actor. And while Keeping Tabs finds it
inappropriate to quibble over the attractiveness of corpses, we will
bestow upon Phoenix our special nod for clarity in the face of
eternity; it was he who reportedly shouted, "I'm gonna die, dude!" on
his way out.
On the brighter side, celebrities have saved--or tried to save--so
many lives this month that we wonder if anyone's getting any real work
done in Hollywood. They've revived an ailing dog (ER's Anthony
Edwards), spent $700 nursing a rabbit back to health (actress Gretchen
Mol), spearheaded efforts to free an inhumanely caged gorilla (Doris
Day), and aided African elephants that suffer from "Floppy Trunk
Syndrome," a malady that keeps the poor beasts from eating properly
(Alicia Silverstone).
Business has been no less brisk for human rescues. The Enquirer
details lifesaving efforts by Meryl Streep, Sylvester Stallone, and
Tom Cruise, among others. The re-Christianized Rosie O'Donnell is
reported to have made two daring rescues aboard her Jet Ski, says the
Globe. Meanwhile, Sen. Ted Kennedy's ex-wife, Joan, reportedly saved
her own life by calling a taxi in the middle of a mild heart attack.
The Enquirer suggests that "lonely" Joan was forced to make the call
because she's been "abandoned" by her ex-husband. The Globe, on the
other hand, has the good senator "rush[ing] right over" to be with his
ex and thanking--you guessed it--God that she was all right.
One Globe photographer's prayers must have been answered when he
followed Brooke Shields and new boyfriend Chris Henchy on what was
supposed to be a simple exercise outing. The "lensman was expecting to
snap some fun photos of the couple enjoying the spring day," the Globe
explains breezily, as if the photographer had actually been invited
along for the trip. But Shields is on emotional thin ice, having
recently filed for divorce from her husband and having lost a fellow
Suddenly Susan cast member to suicide; and the photographer was
"stunned" when she suddenly began "sobbing uncontrollably." Luckily
for Globe readers, the quick-thinking paparazzo was not so stunned
that he couldn't get off several frames of the disconsolate actress.
Shields quickly pulled herself
[CTRL] Legalease
-Caveat Lector- From Boston Herald . CoM Clinton's judges: Peas out of a pod by Don Feder Wednesday, June 9, 1999 Here's a delicious irony: Bill Clinton, who six months ago was impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice, could end up appointing more judges than any of his predecessors. To date, Clinton has put 306 of his soulmates on the bench, close to President Reagan's record of 385. By the end of his second term, the perjurer in chief could have appointed 40 percent of the entire federal judiciary. But in the twilight of his tenure, the confirmation process has slowed to a crawl. The usually compliant Orrin Hatch, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, hasn't held a confirmation hearing this year - which has set the establishment to whining about the unfairness of it all. Clinton's judicial picks get high marks for diversity, we're told. His choices for the Supreme Court are praised, with a perfectly straight face, as middle-of-the-roaders. This president's judicial nominations are diverse where it matters least - gender and race. Intellectually, they reflect all the variety of Stalinists at a party congress, not to mention the same political leanings. Take Claudia Wilken, one of Clinton's first appointments, who was placed on the U.S. District Court for Northern California in 1993. In 1997, Wilken invalidated California's popularly enacted term-limitation amendment. Casting about for a rationale, Wilken determined term limits violate the 14th Amendment because voters who prefer politicians who've been in office for eternity can't vote for their hacks of choice. How this view could be reconciled with the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, limiting presidents to two terms in office, Wilken didn't say. After it stopped laughing, the Supreme Court overturned the decision. Fast forward to 1998, when Wilken held that San Francisco was perfectly within its rights in forcing companies that do business with the city to provide health insurance for domestic partners on the same basis as spouses. The ordinance is constitutional because it ``effectuates a legitimate local public interest to combat discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation,'' Wilken insisted in an opinion that read like a manifesto. A typical Clinton appointee, Wilken reasons that if she likes a thing it must be constitutional; if she doesn't, it goes without saying that it violates the law of the land. Another of Clinton's Oliver Wendells, William Fletcher, went to a federal appeals court despite a total lack of courtroom experience. Who needs experience when he has theories? A former law professor, Fletcher believes judges may declare legislatures ``chronically in default'' and assume their functions. He says out loud what most Clinton appointees believe in their hearts. Other Clinton judges have: enjoined the enforcement of a state ban on partial-birth abortions, rejected a student-initiated graduation prayer, forced an Ohio municipality to remove a cross from its city seal and voted to overturn a federal law restricting the broadcast of obscene material to the hours of 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. But doubtless, Clinton's crowning achievement was the nomination of Frederica Massiah-Jackson to one of the district courts. A state judge from Philadelphia, Massiah-Jackson was forced to withdraw when Republican senators (in a rare show of determination) said, ``No way in hell!'' Massiah-Jackson's record was described by Philadelphia's Democratic district attorney as ``replete with instances of leniency toward criminals, an adversarial attitude toward police and a hostile attitude toward prosecutors.'' Her acquittal rate was 60 percent higher than the average for Philadelphia judges; her sentences were twice as lenient. She once swore at a prosecutor in her courtroom and on another occasion declared that both capital punishment and three-strikes laws are racist and unconstitutional. Given her brilliance, it's a wonder the president didn't nominate Massiah-Jackson for the Supreme Court. Instead, he chose those notorious moderates Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer, who have consistently taken an activist approach on everything from religion in the public sphere to term limitation to racial preferences. Republicans, who pay lip-service to judicial restraint, have been far too obliging to this president. As Tom Jipping of the Free Congress Foundation notes, when Democrats controlled the Senate and Republicans the White House from 1987 to 1992, Congress denied hearings to an average of 7.3 GOP judicial nominees a year. When the roles were reversed (1995 to 1998), on average Republicans blocked hearings for only 4.3 Democratic nominees each year. Given this president's demonstrated contempt for our system of justice, it would be fitting to call a moratorium on any further Clinton judicial appointments. It would also be a
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990609c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No farm animals were molested during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # GRIP ON CRYPTO LOOSENING. Despite U.S. objections, most countries prefer placing few restrictions on the manufacture sale of strong encryption. Good. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20106.html # DNA hides spy message. (BBC) A new microdot conceals secret messages in the immense complexity of human DNA. Try to intercept THAT, NSA geeks! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_365000/365183.stm : Is perfect crypto possible? Is privacy possible? Do they keep files on you that you'll never know of? Can you keep your secrets in absolute security? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # ISP REVEALS SCIENTOLOGY CRITIC. ATT WorldNet releases the identity of a Scientology critic to church attorneys. The critic says he fears for his safety. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/20087.html # THE WEB'S NEW GRAFFITI? Users can "draw a mustache" on any Web page with the new Third Voice utility. Not everyone is happy about the free-speech enabler. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20101.html : Do you have the right or need remain silent? Will anything you say be used against you if it's not encrypted? How much say, how much privacy, have you? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # A SEARCH FOR INTELLIGENT SEARCHERS. SETI's/seti@home's collaborative search for alien intelligence has been hit by a down-to-Earth problem: an overwhelming response from volunteers. Join the crowd, eh? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20088.html # SCI-FI SATURNALIA IN LA-LA LAND. The Saturn Awards for science fiction, fantasy, and horror films draw sci-fi stars and star-watchers. Umma gumma: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/20100.html : Do you prefer to look for life-bearing stars or fantasy stars? Which film artists are aliens? Are they reprogramming human minds? How could you tell? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Dust cloud surrounds Jupiter's moon. (BBC) The Galileo spacecraft has found clouds of dust around some of Jupiter's moons. No broom big enough: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_364000/364902.stm # Also: Jupiter's supersonic winds: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_341000/341782.stm # Jupiter's ring riddle solved: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_172000/172602.stm # Galileo finds ghostly ring on Jupiter: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_112000/112621.stm # DIGGING FOR BIG BANG FOSSILS. Hoping to find answers about the Big Bang that some believe created the universe, scientists will launch a satellite designed to sift through light waves in search of hydrogen, a primordial element. www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20094.html : What is your favorite form of space dust? Do aliens seed the universe with lifeforms disguised as space dust? How much space dust are you composed of? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiBriefs: # HOT DEALS FOR A NEW MILLENNIUM. Y2K jerky. Y2K yo-yos. Y2Kia Cars. The US Patent Office registers hundreds of new ideas for turning a buck when the clock strikes 2000. So what if they're not all really *great* ideas, eh? http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/business/story/20102.html # CHEAP PC DOESN'T DO WINDOWS. A California computer maker is offering a PC with a fast processor for only US$299. How do they do it? No Windows, no OS. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/technology/story/20108.html # CITIES SINGLED OUT FOR PIRACY. New York City, Los Angeles, and Seattle have the highest concentrations of pirated office software in the nation. http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/business/story/20091.html _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: @ Satan Sez: The Super-Secret Satanic Conspiracy http://home.att.net/~zazel/satan_sez.htm @ Gross Moral Decline: General Depravity http://home.att.net/~zazel/decline.htm @ 23-Skidoo: Secret Societies and the NWO http://home.att.net/~zazel/23.htm @ Supernatural Rapture: Tabloid Sorcery http://home.att.net/~zazel/supernatural_rapture.htm @ Those Crazy, Cuckoo Cults: Bad Religion and Prophets of Doom http://home.att.net/~zazel/cults.htm @ Wag the Dogs of War: No Peace on Earth http://home.att.net/~zazel/war.htm @ Death By Misadventure: Darwin Awards http://home.att.net/~zazel/Darwin.htm @ Feared Science: Horrors of Technology and Educated Panic http://home.att.net/~zazel/science.htm @ Random Violence: Senseless Carnage http://home.att.net/~zazel/violence.htm @ Acts of God: When Mother Nature Attacks http://home.att.net/~zazel/world.htm @ Crash and Burn: Planes, Trains, and Automobiles
Re: [CTRL] Hyde Introduces Bill to Criminalize Sale of Violent Media to Minors
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mack White [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYDE INTRODUCES BILL TO CRIMINALIZE SALE OF VIOLENT MEDIA TO MINORS! Isn't Hyde allegedly 'conservative', opposed to gov't intrusion into private life? How many measures has he supported that extend federal power? Should his hypocrisy be punished? How? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hyde Introduces Bill to Criminalize Sale of Violent Me...
-Caveat Lector- As a constituent of the white haired windbag Hank Hyde, so conservative that he committed double adultery, I can tell you that he's all but set in stone as a member of the House.All the blue haired old ladies and their inflamed prostate husbands vote en masse for the putz... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CNN Reporter(ess) Gets Pissed!!
-Caveat Lector- So what does this Chris(tine?) Black look like??? Anyone??? Sounds like she'd be PERFECT for me! Bill. Capitol Hill Blue June 8, 1999 Staff CNN reporter's obscene temper tantrum has press corps shaking their heads A weekend obscene temper tantrum by Cable News Network reporter Chris Black has members of the White House press corps shaking their heads. Black, rattled by an anti-Clinton protester during taping of a "stand up" on Sunday, turned to the protester and screamed "fuck you!" Witnesses to the event said Black's obscenity was clearly heard by a crowd of tourists and their children outside the White House fence. "It was disgusting," says Andrea Dobbins, a St. Louis area tourist who was visiting Washington with her husband and two preteen children. "I couldn't believe a member of news media would act so unprofessional in front of people, especially when children are present." Veteran members of the White House press corps say Black's outburst is a typical temper tantrum by the high-strung CNN Correspondent. "She's a hothead, there's no doubt about that," says one network correspondent. "If her talent was a big as her mouth, she'd be anchoring NBC Nightly News." Black's outburst was triggered by an anti-Clinton protester who belongs to the Internet's Free Republican bulletin board. Accounts of the incident, along with a follow-up shouting match Black had with another protester on Monday, kept the popular bulletin board buzzing on Monday and Tuesday. "As Chris Black turned to walk away, I took a deep breath and yelled, 'Hey Chris Black, I thought you were a lady until I heard what you screamed at a protester and tourists yesterday,' " reported Free Republic poster Anglewood. "Boy, did I ever unleash a fury! She raised her left arm, must have changed her mind and turned around. She yelled and pointed at me and gestured for me to come meet her. For a minute, I thought I was being invited inside the compound, but she moved at warp speed still gesturing to me and yelled, "Come over here and let me tell you what that son-of-a-bitch did to me!" Anglewood said Black was obviously agitated and claimed the protester on Sunday had ruined her live shot. But news crews who cover the White House say veterans know how to ignore protesters and go on about their business. "Protests and shouts from the peanut gallery and things you learn to deal with and work around," says veteran cameraman John Ringell. "It's the difference between a pro and a rank amateur. You don't lose your cool and yell obscenities in front of children. You maintain a professional demeanor." Calls to CNN for comment were not returned Monday. And knowing that some pudwacking Free Republican BB geek triggered this episode only makes me like her more Is she blonde?? Fat?? Old??? Ugly??? Inquiring minds got's ta' know! Bill (again) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] Scientists Hide Messages In DNA Microdots
-Caveat Lector- way spooky stuff here... Hilary -- From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [InTheShadows] Scientists Hide Messages In DNA Microdots Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 6:03 PM From: "Hilary A. Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dan S [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/sc/story.html?s=v/nm/19990609/sc/dna_mi crodot_1.html - Wednesday June 9 2:50 PM ET Scientists Hide Messages In DNA Microdots By Patricia Reaney LONDON (Reuters) - Future spies may need a degree in molecular biology to keep up with the newest secret coding technique devised by scientists in the United States. James Bond and Mata Hari could have learned a thing or two from researchers at Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York. They combined DNA technology with the ancient concept of steganography -- concealing a message within a large number of similar objects-- and reduced it all to the size of a photographic microdot, similar to the ones used by German spies during World War Two to transmit secret messages. ``The first part of our steganography is hiding the message in the DNA and the second part is hiding the existence of the DNA sample containing the message by shrinking it way down to a small dot and putting it in an innocuous letter,'' molecular biologist Carter Bancroft said in a telephone interview. To prove the secret message DNA -- or SM DNA -- worked, Bancroft and his team at Mount Sinai encoded what could have been the most important message during the microdot era -- ''June 6 invasion: Normandy.'' That message was never actually sent as the Germans never discovered the date or place of the Allied invasion that led to the end of World War Two. ``I composed that message myself in the spirit of the microdot era as what I felt was probably the most important secret of that time,'' said Bancroft. In a report in the science journal Nature Wednesday, the researchers described how they used a three-letter code based on DNA for each letter of the English alphabet and punctuation marks as an encryption key for the DNA message. They hid the SM DNA within human DNA and reduced it to the size of a typewritten period and pasted it on a letter. ``An important basis of our technique is we hide this piece of secret message DNA so that nobody knows it's there, but the person who is sending it knows the sequence of DNA at the ends (of the message) and the person receiving it also knows the sequence,'' said Bancroft. The recipient can use standard biochemical techniques to detect and read the secret message encoded in the SM DNA. Bancroft wouldn't speculate on whether future spies will adopt the new technique but even if they don't he said it could be used to secretly mark objects or valuable items. ``There may well turn out to be other ramifications and uses of it that will become apparent only after we and other people have explored the concept,'' he added. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Campaign 2000 is here! http://www.onelist.com Discuss your thoughts; get informed at ONElist. See our homepage. [ISML] Insane Science Mailing List LIST MODERATOR: DAN S. To subscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/isml Looking for your kindred spirit? http://www.onelist.com Go to ONElist: where kindred spirits connect and stay connected. InTheShadows is a discussion list dedicated to keeping up-to-date with new technologies, advancements in medicine, environmental concerns, 'conspiracy theories', politics, and, of course, UFO stuff. Discussion is encouraged. Bashing and soapboxing will get you bounced off the list. To subscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator: Hilary Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/09/1999 2:02:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Great God! I'd rather be/A pagan suckl'd in a creed outworn..." than this kind of Christian. Yeah, I know how you feel. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Media's Role in Federal Government
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/09/1999 3:09:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: censored news. One would think that someone is holding the sword of that ancient god, and I forget how to spell his name, anyway holding a sword over their heads by a thread I think that's Damocles (and I'm probably misspelling it). Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mumia college invitation criticized
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/09/1999 4:57:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Plans by a small Washington college to allow convicted Philadelphia police-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal to speak at graduation ceremonies via a videotape has sparked criticism in the nation's capital. "There is no justifiable reason for an institution of higher learning to have a convicted murderer speak to its students," said House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R., Texas). He vowed to hold a moment of silence on the floor of the U.S. House on Friday if Evergreen College goes through with its plan to present Abu-Jamal. Washington Gov. Gary Locke has canceled plans to speak at the commencement because of the inclusion of Abu-Jamal, and some students said they will boycott the ceremony. Gooo Evergreen! I don't know why Tom DeLay has his panties in a twist. In Texas they don't bother to convict most of them, and even when they do, they let them out to add to their list. Apparently there are a lot of people in this country who aren't really up on the Abu-Jamal matter. If Officer Faulkner's widow believes Abu-Jamal is her husband's killer, she is part of a very small minority. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/09/1999 5:03:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Christianity is a fine religion. A shame Christians have never PRACTICED it." The same could be said for Islam. Neither Jesus nor Mohammed --nor GOD, certainly-- would ever have condoned the actual behavior of the "believers" in the respective religions now attributed to them Hear, hear. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- Income, taxes and demagoguery by Thomas Sowell William Hugh Tunstall Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of disinformation. snip information about some book Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position. MJ: The 'facts' in the book you cited? Dr. Sowell's research certainly 'jives' with the Internal Revenue Service's numbers AND the House Ways and Means'. Perhaps it is you who are attempting to be 'clever'. Who Pays Federal Individual Income Taxes, 1994 Taxpayers # Returns (K) AGI (M) Tax Paid (M) %AGI %Tax Inc Split Top 01% 01,150 0,546,720 152,696 13.8 28.7 195,981 05% 05,749 1,102,836 252,385 27.8 47.4 090,913 10% 11,499 1,552,121 314,786 39.2 59.1 068,737 25% 28,747 2,481,040 423,328 62.6 79.5 042,734 50% 57,495 3,371,349 507,120 85.1 95.2 021,817 Less 57,495 0,589,571 025,523 14.9 4.8 in thousands in $ million in dollars Source: Preliminary IRS Data Tax Foundation 1250 H Street, N.W. Suite 750 Washington, D.C. 20005. Percent of Total% Income Earners% Income Level Tax Revenues *(next inclusive) Total of Income 28.7 1.0 13.8 $185 000 59.0 10.0 39.0 $ 67 000 79.2 25.0 46.0 $ 42 000 95.2 50.0 85.0 Source: Overview of the Federal Tax System, House Ways Means Committee. (1992) *next group includes the prior ie. 10% includes 1% group, 25% includes 10% and 1% groups, etc. Distribution of the federal income tax burden The top 1% of income earners pay 26% of the tax The top 10% pay 58% The top 20% pay 73% The bottom 40% pay less than 1% The bottom 60% pay 10% of the taxes collected. Source: Overview of the Federal Tax System, House Ways Means Committee, 1992. Regard$, --MJ When more of the people's sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and expenses of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of a free government. -- Grover Cleveland, Second Annual Message; December, 1886 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- SCIO-LTD wrote: The subsidies are often indirect through the granting of minor or major monopolies, (for a good example see the history of ATT, and the monopoly they had for well over a half a century).The government often has a dual use/dual purpose agenda in these areas, with strong linkages between industry, academia, and government. This is NOT capitalism. You too ... why is it everyone desires to label things as such they are not? Regard$, --MJ One of the sublimest things in the world is plain truth. -- Edward Bulwer-Lytton DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Much of the R and D in high tech industries is funded by the taxpayers... We have NASA, NSA, Livermore, MIT, the mammoth defense contractors.. Silicon Valley has had its share of government subsidies.. MJ: Then it is NOT capitalism. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: So the argument that market forces (capitalism) are responsible for high tech innovations is false. When "the invisible hand" stays invisible, government comes to the rescue. Non squitur Why do you insist upon calling a dog an apple pie? Regard$, --MJ The difference between the right word and a similar word is the difference between lightning and a lightning bug. -- Mark Twain DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (no subject)
-Caveat Lector- In case you are interested, the below, is a false report and also inacurate about who owns the fed. Joshua2 -- "Ronald L. Wilson." wrote: -Caveat Lector- Subj: "Federal Reserve System" Date: 6/9/99 4:07:33 PM EST From: Ww2vet2 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Someone sent me this "brief history of the Federal Reserve System" I pass it on for your information. Amendment 16 (income tax) was passed by Congress in 1913. During this same year Congress created the Federal Reserve Bank (FED). Eight "families" immediately bought all the stock (Rothchilds of Europe, Lazards of Paris, Israel Moses Seifs of Italy, Warburgs of Germany, and the Lehmans, Kuhn-Loebs, Goldman-Sacks, and the Rockefellers, all of New York). A total of 76% of the FED is owned by foreigners. When the FED put money into circulation gold and silver were needed in the reserve to be paid on demand to anyone with a gold or silver certificate (money). In 1933 we came off the gold standard and in 1963 we came off the silver standard. As a result, today we have a private group of bankers in control of printing our money. They (the eight families) charge the U.S. tax payers 2.5 cents per bill ($l, $5, $10, $20, $50, $100). These private bankers then loan us this money at face value plus interest. By 1989 our debt to the FED was more than 3 trillion dollars. A person counting a $1,000 bill each second would take 399 years to reach $3,000,000,000,000. Every hour the interest on a 3 trillion dollar national debt is $29,092,470 ... about 52 cents of every tax dollar goes to pay off (to the eight families) the interest on this phony debt. During the 1920's the FED began loaning money to the public to invest in small businesses and the Stock Market. This began a period of great prosperity for the American people, known as the "Roaring 20's". Then in 1928 the "eight families" pulled their money out of the Stock Market and at the same time made it difficult for we the people to borrow money. This created a recession making it necessary for people to pull money out of the Stock Market in order to survive. The Stock Market came crashing down. The "Great Depression" was born. The next move for the "eight families" was to go back to the Stock Market and buy up companies for pennies on the dollar. Since that first great experiment to control this country's wealth the FED has been manipulated for profit from inflation and deflation in 1932, 1937, 1957, 1966, 1970, 1976, 1982, and in our present recession. As the FED (the eight families) grow ever richer and more powerful, Americans go broke. Free Enterprise is what made America great. Do not confuse this with "Capitalism". These "eight families", and others of the super elite, with all of their capital do not like Free Enterprise. They are driven to own and control everything they can, and they do not like competition. The graduated income tax is enforced on the American people to keep small business and the public from ever being able to compete with them. Meanwhile the "eight families", and the super elite, set themselves up in Pure Trusts, and BTO / UBO's to become exempt from paying the tax they initiated on the American people. Today a mere 1% of the population controls 90% of our country's wealth. WHATS THE ANSWER? "We the people" can get back control of our printing presses. Section 31 of the "Federal Reserve Act" allows Congress all of the clout needed to terminate the FED. The Government could then print up U.S. Treasury Notes based on the amount of consumer goods and services needed. They could loan the States and the people money at 4% interest, avoiding the FED's usury ... which has taken away America's hope for a brighter future. The incredible power and influence of the controlling 1% is not likely going to allow this to happen. FOR MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRIVATELY OWNED FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM SEE: http://www.badgersden.com/ra/rafiles/fedhist.htm Also, (The National Center for Constitutional Studies offers complete information. phone: 1-800-365-1776) [wc=640] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] COST OF PROTECTIONISM
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: The free trade vs. protectionism debate is something of a joke. MJ: Yes, especially when ONLY the latter exists in the reality of today. Regard$, --MJ Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -- Milton Friedman The primary reason for a tariff is that it enables the exploitation of the domestic consumer by a process indistinguishable from sheer robbery. -- Albert Jay Nock DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- Das GOAT wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Christianity is a fine religion. A shame Christians have never PRACTICED it." Christianity is impossible to practice as advertised. This is a problem for Christians and everyone else who lives with them on this planet. A more reality based religion would have served Christians better. Joshua2 The same could be said for Islam. Neither Jesus nor Mohammed --nor GOD, certainly-- would ever have condoned the actual behavior of the "believers" in the respective religions now attributed to them DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Revising Capitalism/ rebuttal.
-Caveat Lector- SCIO-LTD wrote: -Caveat Lector- As a technology professional with over tens years Internet experience, I can testify to William Hugh Tunstall comments. The subsidies are often indirect through the granting of minor or major monopolies, (for a good example see the history of ATT, and the monopoly they had for well over a half a century).The government often has a dual use/dual purpose agenda in these areas, with strong linkages between industry, academia, and government. Capitalism does not thrive on competition, on the contrary the false Darwinian construct of competition seeks to explain market forces, price patterns as the justification of arcane economic mechanism is simply derived non-sense. Yes indeed. But there is a problem here. Without competition to balance greed, the system is sold under false pretenses. Adam Smith who made the case that with competition the system benefits all, and, without competition we are simply destined for some form of slavery. Smith made clear that without competition the system is merely an oinkfest for oinkers and wanabe oinkers. He didn't much like businessmen. He saw them as greedy, conspiratorial, and obsessed with money. Some things never change. As for invisible hands, they are about as real as virgin births, and horses flying up to heaven. Capitalism seeks to aggregate resources, and to wipe out threats to expanding growth of competitors or monopolize energy, whether it be in the form of money, information, food, fuel, or other raw material. Or, put another way, capitalists are driven to accumulate wealth. In a system designed by capitalists to assure that wealth is the best source for accumulating even more wealth, the outcome is always political, economic, and societal domination by the rich. However monopolistic forces wipeout innovation because there is no incentive. Does this make capitalism bad? No, No??? Why no? Does this make capitalism good? just its false and widely practice Darwinist credo which has slowly inculcated the modern economic thinking. Innovation has always been the driver of capitalism, Wrong. Sheer greed has ALWAYS been the driver of capitalism. it like saying that water is necessary for life. William Baumol's bullshit announcement smacks of fascination with the obvious. Innovation has always been the great inducer of capital, which is patently obvious to most casual observer. That's right. Pet rocks, hair in a can, minimum wages, externalization of costs, and a petroleum based automotive industry 100 years old which will not change as long as capitalists have the oligopoly in the oil industry. That's innovation baby. What % of inovations are really advances for humanity? I don't know. Vare to guess? It should not be surprising that firms sign strategic partnerships with their competitors seeing that their innovations will ultimately fuel their own innovations. You could say that, or you could say that we are destined to suffer corporate giantism, corporate cannibalism, or oligopoly. All, forms of monopoly. I am assuming here that folks agree that monopoly is a baaad thing. As Peter Drucker said nearly ten years ago"International economic theory is obsolete, the traditional factors of production land, capital and labor are constraints rather than driving forces, only information has become the one true factor of production, it underlies the most powerful and radical transformation in the global economy."A la Internet! What bullshit! People don't eat information. You get a little self serving here don't you buddy? The internet has promise in several areas, none of which are necessary for sustaining life. Joshua2 Jeffrey C Hearon Founder CEO SCIO-LTD http://www.scio-ltd.net http://www.scio-ltd.com http://www.scio-ltd.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Legalease
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 06/09/1999 6:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To date, Clinton has put 306 of his soulmates on the bench, close to President Reagan's record of 385. That's close? What games do you play? But don't worry, Clinton's picks will never be able to do the damage that Reagan's have. I mean, "Innocence is no bar to carrying out a conviction," Clinton doesn't even know anybody who can top that. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Not a hoax
-Caveat Lector- Hi All: I went there and clicked it and even visited the sponsor. It was very easy. Feel Free to pass this on ** Wouldn't you like to be able to feed the hungry for FREE? Now you can. The Hunger Site will allow you to feed a hungry person every day at no cost to yourself. Anyone can do it. Just visit the website. You can feed one hungry person everyday just by going to the website and clicking a button. The food is paid for by corporate sponsors. This is an easy way to do a really good deed. So everyone can feed a hungry person today. Please visit today and pass the word I did. http://www.thehungersite.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] Das GOAT wrote: "Christianity is a fine religion. A shame Christians have never PRACTICED it." Christianity is impossible to practice as advertised. This is a problem for Christians and everyone else who lives with them on this planet. A more reality based religion would have served Christians better. "Reality-based religion" -- oxymoron The basic religious questions are: What is the number of gods that exist (zero thru infinity, take your choice); and if the count is greater than zero, what do they want of humans, if anything; and, how can you tell? I rather doubt that these questions can be answered in a verifiable manner; thus the constant conflict among those with different opinions. Every religion is a conspiracy, a plot to sell beliefs; and a social system, a way for people to interact; and a control system, a way to elicit behaviours. As I define all belief systems [Games], be they religious/economic/ political/artistic/athletic, people need entertainment, to structure and occupy their time without being productive. Fun fun fun... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- Mr. Davis, If you will closely examine Mr. Sowell's essay, you will notice that he is interested in attacking what he considers to be the demagogery of politicians and intellectuals who are interested in "whipping up envy" in order to support heavy taxes. I think that charge is unfounded. If you are a reader of Forbes, you might be interested to learn that during the past few years, there have been more millionaires and billionaires created than at any other time in our history. When your fellow citizens address this fact, I don't think it's a matter of "whipping up envy." Instead, I think it represents a healthy trendan interest in addressing pressing social/political/cultural realities that are being ignored. Mr. Sowell seeks to undermine the notion that "the rich" exist. He throws out the figure of 72,000 dollars as the income level of the top 10 percent without referring to where he got this particular figure. Then he tells us that if you are earning 127,000 dollars a year, you're in the top five percent! Again, he doesn't cite any statistical information to support his claims. If you would read Bartlett and Steele's "America: What Went Wrong," you would be given a more accurate portrayal of American income levels, demographics, etc. What is interesting about Bartlett and Steele's statistics is that they show how the top income earners have fared during the past twenty-five to thirty-five years. However, if you are reluctant to accept Bartlett and Steele's analysis, perhaps you might find it profitable to go back and read the New York Times's report on the US Census. The figures were reported widely, and they depict a society in which the income of the bottom 1/3 of wage earners DECLINED during the Reagan years. During the period of 1980 and 1990, the income of middle class wage earners stayed the same, but interestingly, the top percentile of wage earners saw their earnings increase exponentially. The most conspicuous winners in the American economy were CEOs. Unfortunately, I don't have the figures in front of me at this exact moment. However, if you are interested, I would suggest that you read Bartlett and Steele's book. Only recently, a Business Week article openly recognized what many Americans already realize, that we are becoming a two-tiered society of the very affluent and the poor. The article discussed the fact that during the nineteen nineties, many American firms find it profitable to develop a two-tiered marketing strategy in order to accomodate the new American social reality. If Business Week and the New York Times recognize the problem of a growing class division in America, then I would suggest that Mr. Sowell's essay adds little to the discussion. However, I would agree with him that taxing the rich would not solve our social/cultural problems. Personally, I would like to abolish the personal income tax altogether. But I would like to see foreign corporations and multinationals be taxed at the rates that existed during the Kennedy administration. Sorry for touching on so many different issues, but I think the free and open exchange of opinions can be useful. On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Howard R. Davis III wrote: -Caveat Lector- In the following Mr. Tunstall writes that Thomas Sowell has been proven wrong by two Philidelphia Inquirer researchers. He does not specify what exactly in his article has been refuted. However, he does state that their study shows: "that the bottom half of American society is worse off than they were in the halycon days of Jimmy Carter". This may or may not be true, but I could find no reference to that question in the whole of Mr. Sowell's article. Howard Davis -- From: William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery Date: Wed, Jun 9, 1999, 2:25 PM -Caveat Lector- Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of disinformation. Please read "America: What Went Wrong" by Barlett and Steele. Sowell's points are refuted by the statistical evidence compiled by these two Philadelphia Inquirer researchers. Their study is based on US Census and OMB statistics which show that the bottom half of American society is worse off than they were in the halycon days of Jimmy Carter. Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position. On Sun, 6 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Income, taxes and demagoguery by Thomas Sowell WHEN YOU HEAR POLITICIANS and intellectuals talking -- often very loudly -- about "the rich," do you ever wonder who they are talking about and how much money those "rich" people make? And do you ever wonder why those who are making so much noise about the rich don't just come right out and tell us what kind of money they are talking about? Instead, we hear about the top 10 percent or the top 5 percent. But why so squeamish about saying how
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] COST OF PROTECTIONISM]
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, Robert! On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, Robert Tatman wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- The free trade vs. protectionism debate is something of a joke. I once spent a desultory afternoon searching through the stacks of the local university for information on Frederich List, a nineteenth century German economist who championed the American system of tariffs (defended by Hamilton, Carey and later Lincoln). Not surprisingly, my search yielded nothing. However, not surprisingly, there were close to eighty books dealing with Adam Smith, the British economist most closely identified with "free trade" theory. Websites on Friedrich List: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/1223/krnkn_list_f.html http://www.fh-reutlingen.de/~www-fli/ [in German] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5148/listbio.html http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/~econ/ugcm/3ll3/list/ Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- Nice try, Mr. Johnson, but you're in error. Bartlett and Steele use figures from the OMB, the IRS and the US Census Bureau... not the House Ways and Means Committee and NOT the Tax Foundation! But if you will read my response to Mr. Howard Davis III, I am on record for the abolition of the personal income tax. There are a number of ways of raising revenue that would not be so punitive on individuals. So, on this point, we might actually agree. Oh, by the way, I'm not trying to be "clever," Mr. Johnson. I'm just interested in advancing the discussion on these issues. Regards, Mr. Tunstall On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- Income, taxes and demagoguery by Thomas Sowell William Hugh Tunstall Mr. Sowell is engaged in a rather clever campaign of disinformation. snip information about some book Sorry. The facts do not support Sowell's position. MJ: The 'facts' in the book you cited? Dr. Sowell's research certainly 'jives' with the Internal Revenue Service's numbers AND the House Ways and Means'. Perhaps it is you who are attempting to be 'clever'. Who Pays Federal Individual Income Taxes, 1994 Taxpayers # Returns (K) AGI (M) Tax Paid (M) %AGI %Tax Inc Split Top 01% 01,150 0,546,720 152,696 13.8 28.7 195,981 05% 05,749 1,102,836 252,385 27.8 47.4 090,913 10% 11,499 1,552,121 314,786 39.2 59.1 068,737 25% 28,747 2,481,040 423,328 62.6 79.5 042,734 50% 57,495 3,371,349 507,120 85.1 95.2 021,817 Less 57,495 0,589,571 025,523 14.9 4.8 in thousands in $ million in dollars Source: Preliminary IRS Data Tax Foundation 1250 H Street, N.W. Suite 750 Washington, D.C. 20005. Percent of Total% Income Earners% Income Level Tax Revenues *(next inclusive) Total of Income 28.7 1.0 13.8 $185 000 59.0 10.0 39.0 $ 67 000 79.2 25.0 46.0 $ 42 000 95.2 50.0 85.0 Source: Overview of the Federal Tax System, House Ways Means Committee. (1992) *next group includes the prior ie. 10% includes 1% group, 25% includes 10% and 1% groups, etc. Distribution of the federal income tax burden The top 1% of income earners pay 26% of the tax The top 10% pay 58% The top 20% pay 73% The bottom 40% pay less than 1% The bottom 60% pay 10% of the taxes collected. Source: Overview of the Federal Tax System, House Ways Means Committee, 1992. Regard$, --MJ When more of the people's sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and expenses of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of a free government. -- Grover Cleveland, Second Annual Message; December, 1886 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Nice try, Mr. Johnson, but you're in error. Bartlett and Steele use figures from the OMB, the IRS and the US Census Bureau... not the House Ways and Means Committee and NOT the Tax Foundation! MJ: So Bartlett Steele (fallacy of appeal to authority) READ the IRS data BETTER than two independent sources that I cited (three including Dr. Sowell)? 3 to 1. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: But if you will read my response to Mr. Howard Davis III, I am on record for the abolition of the personal income tax. There are a number of ways of raising revenue that would not be so punitive on individuals. MJ: Actually ONLY individuals pay taxes. Corporations, businesses, landlords, etc. merely collect taxes ... passing them along to the individual. *I* favor a head tax coupled with user fees. Each person pays the SAME -- thus 'encouraging' low taxation/spending on the part of government AND equality. Regard$, --MJ About a century ago a group of brilliant Italian scholars set out to study the nature of the state and its monetary affairs. One of them, Amilcare Puviani, tried to answer this question: If a government were trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of its population, what would it do? He came up with eleven (11) strategies that such a government would employ. They are worth examining: 1. The use of indirect rather than direct taxes, so that the tax is hidden in the price of goods 2. Inflation, by which the state reduces the value of everyone else's currency 3. Borrowing, so as to postpone the necessary taxation 4. Gift and luxury taxes, where the tax accompanies the receipt or purchase of 'something special', lessening the annoyance of the tax 5. 'Temporary' taxes, which somehow never get repealed when the emergency passes 6. Taxes that exploit social conflict, by placing higher taxes on unpopular groups (such as the rich, cigarette smokers or windfall profit makers) 7. The threat of social collapse or withholding monopoly government services if taxes are reduced 8. Collection of the total tax burden in relatively small increments (a sales tax or income tax withholding) over time, rather than in a yearly lump sum 9. Taxes whose exact incidence cannot be predicted in advance, thus keeping the taxpayer unaware of just how much he is paying 10. Extraordinary budget complexity to hide the budget process from public understanding 11. The use of generalized expenditure categories, such as 'education' or 'defense' to make it difficult for outsiders to assess the individual components of the budget Notice anything about this list? The United States government uses every single one of those strategies -- and so do most foreign governments. That just might lead a cynical observer to conclude that the government was actually 'trying' to soak the taxpayers for as much money as it could get, rather than say, raising just enough for essential functions. In all these ways, government's constant instinct to grow, to take on more tasks, to arrogate more power to itself, to extract more money from the citizenry. Indeed as Jefferson observed, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Income, taxes and demagoguery
-Caveat Lector- I'm not using an "appeal to authority." Bartlett and Steele are only one source. There are others. But I don't think it's really a matter of my sources versus yours. I think the New York Times, Time, Newsweek, and even the Wall Street Journal have had articles featuring what I believe is a growing class division in America. On Wed, 9 Jun 1999, M.A. Johnson wrote: -Caveat Lector- William Hugh Tunstall wrote: Nice try, Mr. Johnson, but you're in error. Bartlett and Steele use figures from the OMB, the IRS and the US Census Bureau... not the House Ways and Means Committee and NOT the Tax Foundation! MJ: So Bartlett Steele (fallacy of appeal to authority) READ the IRS data BETTER than two independent sources that I cited (three including Dr. Sowell)? 3 to 1. William Hugh Tunstall wrote: But if you will read my response to Mr. Howard Davis III, I am on record for the abolition of the personal income tax. There are a number of ways of raising revenue that would not be so punitive on individuals. MJ: Actually ONLY individuals pay taxes. Corporations, businesses, landlords, etc. merely collect taxes ... passing them along to the individual. *I* favor a head tax coupled with user fees. Each person pays the SAME -- thus 'encouraging' low taxation/spending on the part of government AND equality. Regard$, --MJ About a century ago a group of brilliant Italian scholars set out to study the nature of the state and its monetary affairs. One of them, Amilcare Puviani, tried to answer this question: If a government were trying to squeeze as much money as possible out of its population, what would it do? He came up with eleven (11) strategies that such a government would employ. They are worth examining: 1. The use of indirect rather than direct taxes, so that the tax is hidden in the price of goods 2. Inflation, by which the state reduces the value of everyone else's currency 3. Borrowing, so as to postpone the necessary taxation 4. Gift and luxury taxes, where the tax accompanies the receipt or purchase of 'something special', lessening the annoyance of the tax 5. 'Temporary' taxes, which somehow never get repealed when the emergency passes 6. Taxes that exploit social conflict, by placing higher taxes on unpopular groups (such as the rich, cigarette smokers or windfall profit makers) 7. The threat of social collapse or withholding monopoly government services if taxes are reduced 8. Collection of the total tax burden in relatively small increments (a sales tax or income tax withholding) over time, rather than in a yearly lump sum 9. Taxes whose exact incidence cannot be predicted in advance, thus keeping the taxpayer unaware of just how much he is paying 10. Extraordinary budget complexity to hide the budget process from public understanding 11. The use of generalized expenditure categories, such as 'education' or 'defense' to make it difficult for outsiders to assess the individual components of the budget Notice anything about this list? The United States government uses every single one of those strategies -- and so do most foreign governments. That just might lead a cynical observer to conclude that the government was actually 'trying' to soak the taxpayers for as much money as it could get, rather than say, raising just enough for essential functions. In all these ways, government's constant instinct to grow, to take on more tasks, to arrogate more power to itself, to extract more money from the citizenry. Indeed as Jefferson observed, "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a
[CTRL] Star Trek 'warp drive' possible (BBC)
-Caveat Lector- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_364000/364496.stm Star Trek 'warp drive' possible The space shuttle is as good as it gets with today's space technology By BBC News Online Science Editor Dr David Whitehouse In Star Trek, the USS Enterprise is powered by what is called a "warp drive" and at the moment only Paramount Pictures know its secrets. But new, highly mathematical research may have brought us one step closer to being able to explore the Universe in a starship capable of travelling faster than the speed of light. The analysis of the concept of a warp drive by Chris Van Den Broeck of the Catholic University in Leuven, Belgium means that building a starship Enterprise is a little closer. The fabric of space Dr Van Den Broeck was reanalysing ground-breaking calculations made five years ago by Mexican mathematician Miguel Alcubierre. Alcubierre said that it was possible to imagine how a warp drive would work by distorting the fabric of space. Starships would ride along waves in so-called spacetime, like surfers do along waves in the sea. The idea relies on the concept that, to physicists, space is not empty. Strange as it may seem, space has a shape that can be distorted by matter. In fact the force of gravity is actually due to the curvature of space - recognising that was the greatest triumph of Albert Einstein's career. So you could use matter to distort the space around a starship to create a "ripple" in spacetime. 'Warp bubble' Miguel Alcubierre came up with the idea of expanding the space behind a starship and contracting it in front of it. The starship would rest in a "warp bubble" between the two spacetime distortions. The result would be a wave in spacetime along which the starship would surf. It was a fantastic idea. There would be no limit to the velocity that a starship could attain. It could travel faster than the speed of light because the starship would, strictly speaking, be stationary in the space of its warp bubble. Also, the starship and its crew would be weightless and would therefore not be crushed by the enormous G-forces of acceleration and deceleration. What's more, the passage of time inside the warp bubble would be the same as that outside it. The crew would not suffer from Einstein's "time dilation" effect where time passes at different rates for people travelling at different speeds. The time dilation effect means that anyone travelling to the stars at speeds approaching that of light would experience a journey of a few years. But when they came back to Earth they would find that thousands of years had passed and all their friends were long dead. Massive energies Alcubierre's idea was a good one, but his work seemed to suggest that building a warp bubble would be impossible in practice. More energy than the entire universe could supply would be needed to create the spacetime distortions. However, Dr Van Den Broeck's analysis suggests a far lower amount of energy is required, reduced by a factor of one followed by 62 zeros. This is not to say that it is time to go out and start building a warp drive. As Dr Van Den Broeck says in his forthcoming paper in General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology: "This does not mean that the proposal is realistic." Building a warp drive is currently far beyond our technological abilities and there are severe theoretical arguments that say it may never be possible. But it just might be. Dr Van Den Broeck concludes his analysis by saying, "The first warp drive is still a long way off but maybe it has now become slightly less improbable." Relevant Stories Apollo veteran calls for new vision http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_341000/341321.stm Robot space plane arrives http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_332000/332714.stm Space Tourism ready for take-off http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_324000/324846.stm Internet Links Catholic University of Leuven: http://www.kuleuven.ac.be/kuleuven/kul_en.htm Star Trek: http://www.startrek.com/ * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * ICQ# 19633976 * * *** SkeptiChat: sliding down the razor-blade of life *** now featuring SkeptiNews: All The News That's Fit To Question email INFO or SUBSCRIBE SKEPTICHAT to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Tomlinson
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday June 9 8:01 AM ET Wanted British Spy Out In The Cold Again By Elif Kaban GENEVA (Reuters) - Former spy Richard Tomlinson, wanted in London for allegedly divulging a list of British intelligence officers on the Internet, has fled Switzerland and is now on the run and out in the cold in Europe. Speaking to Reuters on a mobile phone, Tomlinson said he left Switzerland Tuesday after Swiss authorities Monday gave him 24 hours to leave the country, alleging he had violated a civil order not to publish the list. ``I didn't even have time to say goodbye to my friends,'' he said. Asked how it felt to be a runaway renegade spy, Tomlinson said: ``It's not nice. I just want to find a place to live.'' The disgruntled former member of the British intelligence service, who denies responsibility for posting the list, said he took the train from Geneva to Zurich Tuesday and left Switzerland for an undisclosed destination in Europe. ``If they find out where I am now, they'd chuck me out,'' he said, refusing to disclose his whereabouts. A spokesman at the Swiss federal prosecutor's office confirmed that Tomlinson had left Switzerland. He said Tomlinson faced a five-year entry ban. But Dominique Reymond said Tomlinson could come back if a Geneva court investigating the charges cleared him. Tomlinson said he hoped to return to Geneva: ``I want to go back to Geneva. I can come back after I prove my innocence.'' Tomlinson was sacked in 1995 from the British Secret Intelligence Service -- the foreign intelligence arm known as MI6. He was jailed in Britain in late 1997 after he showed the synopsis of a book on his career to an Australian publisher. He says the British authorities were persecuting him. Tomlinson said he could not go to the United States, France and Australia because of pressure from the British government. ``All countries I've been to, I've been banned from.'' He said he would not go back to Britain. ``I'd be sent to prison straight away while they get a case together.'' Going to a ``hostile'' country or Russia or Serbia was a possibility, he said. ``I have considered going to a hostile country, but not to cause any problems. I really don't have anything to say anymore. I've been out of the MI6 for five years now.'' Tomlinson's credibility has been at a low ebb following a series of increasingly bizarre revelations about his former employers at the MI6 in interviews with the spy-obsessed media. His claims include an alleged plot to kill Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic in a road tunnel near Geneva in 1992 and his testimony to a French magistrate that the driver of the car in which Diana, Princess of Wales, died in 1997 was an MI6 agent. British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook has said that Tomlinson was behind the publication of the names, which he has described as ``a deeply irresponsible and dangerous act.'' British officials have said the list was not accurate, but the publication of secret agents' names could put the lives and careers of undercover agents in sensitive postings at risk. The list was removed and the Internet site shut down after urgent pleas by British officials. But soon after it was purged, the list was on the loose again on the Internet, where many copies were flying through cyberspace and showing up on other Web sites. -- Justice does exist in the world, whether people choose to practice it or not. The men of ability are being avenged. The avenger is reality. Its weapon is slow, silent, invisible, and men perceive it only by its consequences - by the gutted ruins and the moans of agony it leaves in its wake. The name of the weapon is: inflation. -- Ayn Rand, "Egalitarianism And Inflation," Philosophy: Who Needs It ICQ: 9815080 Operator Taliesin_2 of #SacredNemeton on IRC PaganPaths DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews 990609d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question : Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. : Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning. : No domestic pets were devoured during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # 'Ban animal organ transplants'. (BBC) Doctors and lawyers have called for a ban on use of animal organs for human transplants. Just let'em die, eh? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_364000/364933.stm # Lab-Grown Organs on Horizon? Livers and lungs growing in a petri dish might seem the stuff of science fiction. But the discovery of a gene that controls organ shape in roundworms could make human organ-growing a reality. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/20112.html : What organs would you like to grow? Do you need any replacements? Would you replace organs for functional or esthetic or random reasons? Any others? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Magnetic bracelets 'unproven'. (BBC) Suppliers of magnetic bracelets can't prove their claims that they relieve pain, sez a (UK) gov't agency. Bogus: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_364000/364518.stm # Soy Foods Reduce Risk Of Coronary Heart Disease. Two studies show the powerful benefits of soy foods in the battle against cholesterol heart disease. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990603091345.htm # Spotlight on fruit benefits. (BBC) Scientists are to attempt to pin down the exact health benefits of different types of fruit. An apple a day? http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_365000/365196.stm : Would you rather use devices and substances that do or don't work, that are or aren't cool, that have or haven't been tested? What do the voices in your head tell you? Do magnetic bracelets interfere with your alien implant? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Should hackers spend years in prison? Stiff penalties for computer tres- passing could create a broad new class of criminal -- including you and me. http://www.salon1999.com/tech/feature/1999/06/09/hacker_penalties/ # Feds batten down the online hatches - reacting to hacking: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9906/09/batten.idg/index.html # Insurgency on the Internet: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/specials/hackers/ : What is your favorite Net conspiracy? Have you attacked any sites lately? Was it y'r own idea, or were you obeying your Reptilioid/Republican masters? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Researchers Pinpoint Thinking Pattern Of Chronic Self-Doubters. COLUMBUS, Ohio. People with high levels of self-doubt have markedly different thinking patterns than do individuals who harbor lower levels of self-doubt, a new study shows. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990609072350.htm : Are you doubtful, chronically skeptical, insecure? Is this due to organic brain dysfunction, drugs, alien implants, CIA mind-control rays, neorabies? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Stepping back 30,000 years. (BBC) French archaeologists say they've found the oldest footprints ever left by modern man in a cave in central France - result of a prehistoric slip-up. The 21cm (8.5 in) long prints are thought to date as far back as 30,000 years and were left by a child tripping in the mud. The prints were found during a study of the cave's many paintings. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_365000/365262.stm @ Links: The Chauvet-Pont-d'Arc Cave: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/arcnat/chauvet/en/gvpda-d.htm @ Meet the Ancestors: The Chauvet Cave: http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/ancestors/chauvet.shtml # And: Thieves loot prehistoric tomb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_196000/196233.stm # Foot fashion 6000 years BC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_125000/125213.stm : Have ancient alien footprints been found? Are they being hidden? Who runs the cover-up? Do aliens never trip in the mud? Do they get drunk? On what? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ SkeptiLinks: # Digital satellite radio gets a boost - GM goes space-age: http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/business/story/20103.html#radio # Transplanted Neural Stem Cells Migrate Throughout Abnormal Brain, Reduce Disease Symptoms: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/990609073135.htm # Anti-Spammers Nuke E-Commerce - Realtime Blackhole List shoots own foot: http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/20115.html @ The Unauthorized Eckankar(tm) Page http://www.inlink.com/~rife/eck_main.html @ Mr. Papf's Perpetual Motion - by Richard Feynman: http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/fey1.htm @ A Visit With Uri Geller - by Richard Feynman: http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/fey2.htm @ Uri Geller Caught Red-Handed: http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/uritape.htm @ SCIENCE VERSUS MIRACLES (tricks behind 150 miracles of famous gurus): http://www.indian-skeptic.de/html/svm1.htm # Hurricane Forecasters Continue To Call For Active
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Fw: End-Times Times]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: In a message dated 06/09/1999 2:02:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Great God! I'd rather be/A pagan suckl'd in a creed outworn..." than this kind of Christian. Yeah, I know how you feel. Prudy christians give christianity a bad name. religion is no excuse for bad taste. chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
