[CTRL] links, intelligence agencies, databases, reform

1999-11-22 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


BEST INTEL WEBSITE
http://www.fas.org/irp/

GOOD LINKS TO MANY SITES:
http://www.loyola.edu/dept/politics/intel.html
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/libraries/indiv/dsc/intell.html
http://.kimsoft.com/kim-spy.htm

SEARCHABLE DATABASES:
http://intellit.muskingum.edu/intellsite/index.html (Ransom Clark)
http://come.to/CIABASE

INTELLIGENCE REFORM (1996)
http://www.access.gpo.gov/int/report.html (Aspin / Brown)
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/house/intel/ic21/ic21_toc.html (IC21)
http://www.foreignrelations.org/studies/transcripts/970218.html (CFR)

SPECIAL REPORTS
ttp://www.carnegie.org/deadly/0697warning.htm (warning, 1997)
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/s980731-rumsfeld.htm (Rumsfeld, 98)
http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/news/19980222.htm (Bay Pigs)
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/jeremiah.html (Jeremiah('98)
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/cocaine2/index.html (cocaine)

BUSINESS (COMPETITIVE) INTELLIGENCE
http://www.stratfor.com/
http://www.opsec.org/
http://www.pcic.net/
http://pathfinder.com/@@y7yrfauarijhm2qe/fortune/1997/970217/boo.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwecon.html
http://www.asia-research.com/JI2000.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwecon.html
http://www.scip.org (the professional org for BI types)
http://www.lookoutpoint.com/index.html (Real World Intelligence)
http://www.intellpros.com/(Phoenix Consulting Group)

JOBS  CAREERS
http://www.intelstudents.org/
http://www.pcic.net/
http://www.gworx.com/iisd

HUMINT
http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwspy.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwsigin.html

IMINT
http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwimint.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/imint/kh-12.htm

MASINT
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_rpt/ic21/ic21007.htm

OSINT
http://www.oss.net/
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/oss980501.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/wwwecon.html

COUNTERINTELLIGENCE
http://www.nacic.gov/ (NACIC)
http://www.fbi.gov/ansir/ansir.htm (FBI)
http://www.dtic.mil/dodsi/researc2.html
http://www.loyola.edu/dept/politics/hula/hitzrept.html (Ames)

INFORMATION WARFARE
http://www.infowar.com/

CIA, Center for Study of Intelligence
http://www.odci.gov/csi/

CIA FOIA documents
http://www.foia.ucia.gov/

NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE (declassified documents)
http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/

CRITICS OF THE CIA  INTELLIGENCE
http://come.to/CIABASE
http://www.us.net/cip/cia.htm (Mel Goodman)
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n20hri.htm (IPS)
http://www3.theatlantic.com/issues/98feb/cia.htm ("Edward Shirley")

SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE
http://www.senate.gov/committee/intelligence.html

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SERVICES
http://www.cc.umist.ac.uk/sk/index.html (UK)
http://www.pro.gov.uk/releases/soe-europe.htm (SOE)
http://www.mi5.gov.uk/ (UK, MI-5)
http://www.open.gov.uk/co/cim/cimrep1.htm (UK)
http://www.gchq.gov.uk/ (UK, GCHQ)
http://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/ (Canada, CSIS)
http://www.cse.dnd.ca/cse/english/home_1.html(Canada)

ON LINE JOURNALS
http://www.afji.com/ (AFJI)
http://www.awgnet.com/aviation/index.htm (Aviation Week)

SPECIAL REPORTS
http://www.carnegie.org/deadly/0697warning.htm (warning, 1997)
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/s980731-rumsfeld.htm (Rumsfeld, 98)
http://www.seas.gwu.edu/nsarchive/news/19980222.htm (Bay Pigs)
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/jeremiah.html (Jeremiah('98)
http://www.fas.org/irp/cia/product/cocaine2/index.html (cocaine)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/drugs/front.htm

PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS
http://www.his.com/~afio/ (AFIO)
http://www.nmia.org/ (NMIA)
http://www.xmission.com:80/~nip/ (NIP)
http://www.oss.net/ (OSS)
http://www.aochq.org/ (Old Crows)
http://www.opsec.org/ (OPSEC pros)
http://www.afcea.com/ (AFCEA)

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[CTRL] Assoc. of Old Crows 1999 Electronic Warfare Award recipients

1999-11-22 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
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From:
http://www.aochq.org/

PRESS RELEASE
http://www.aochq.org/award.htm
Association of Old Crows 1999 Award Recipients

Presented to recognize individuals and units that have furthered the aims of
The Association of Old Crows in support of The United States or Allied
Electronic Warfare.

Gold Medal of EW – Honorable Arthur L. Money

Silver Award – William H. Gardner

Business Development
Government Marilyn Shaw
Industry Guy Albanese
Clark Fiester C2 Warfare  Thomas Dalheim
Communications MSgt Scott Franklin, USAF
Defensive Information Warfare  Maj Robert Martinsen, USA
Directed Energy Gerald Krantweiss
EO/IR  William Taylor
Executive Management
Government  Edward Bair
Industry Marlow Cooper
Information Operations Mark Speed
Integrated Product Team  AN/ALE-50 IPT
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance S. Dean Hinson
International Achievement  James Titley
Joint Service
USA Lester Simon
USAF Captain Tracey Swope
USN Cmdr Michael Collins
USMC Maj Mark Rohrbaugh
Joseph W. Kearney Pioneer Walter Campbell
Maintenance Edward Hughes
Management Lt Col Sam Neal, USAF
Modeling  Simulation Alan Hansen
Navigation Warfare Steven Ganop
Offensive Information Warfare Maj Richard Simpson
Operations Lt Col Dennis Jeanes, USAF
Radio Frequency John Goolsby
Research  Development Dr. James Tsui
Test and Evaluation Richard Welch
Training
Academic  Capt Thomas Wilson, USAF
Readiness Lt Charles Sparks, USN
1999 Outstanding Unit Awards
Army  The 103rd Military Intelligence (MI) Battalion
Navy  Electronic Attack Squadron ONE FOUR TWO (VAQ-142)
Marines 2nd Radio Battlion
Air Force  53rd Electronic Warfare Group
Joint Service  Joint Command and Control Warfare Center
NATO  Marine Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron TWO (VMAQ-2).

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[CTRL] Edit the Past/Pollute the Future

1999-11-22 Thread Dave

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repost of some comments by Ralph McGhee

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From another news forum:

 CIA SEERS PROPHESIZE SOVIET DEMISE
 WASHINGTON - In a dramatic development, the CIA released
newly-declassified...documents boasting that CIA analysts
accurately predicted the fall of communism.
 The release of the records, formerly classified as "top secret",
 [are] now classified as... "clever propaganda"...

Another post says:

From: "Rudolf Kies, Ph.D." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Posted for Dr. Macartney

TV SERIES ON THE CIA.  The 4 part series on intelligence which ran this
week, Monday through Thursday, on the History Channel (on cable) will be
RE-RUN back to back this Sunday, Nov 21, 3pm to 7pm, EST.
http://www.historychannel.com/ontv/index.html

John Macartney
--

   The CIA's Soviet-Fall prediction is as obvious as it is
false. The "Fall" came in a study by the CIA's Center for the Study
of Intelligence -- not surprisingly it says the CIA got it right.
But this is the role of the Center -- to retroactively "correct"
the record.

The Soviet-Demise study was produced some time ago and was
thoroughly discredited at that time. If the CIA is ever to become
an intelligence agency it must cease defending the failures of its
past.
Instead, it must examine honestly what went wrong, and how it should
change.
Defending the errors of the past will pollute the future. Bureaucrats
apparently do not care, they are protecting their turf -- to them this
seems their sacred mission.

The CIA, via Tenet, proclaims over and over that it fights
weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, narcotics traffic, etc. -- all
extremely important goals. The CIA's major enemy, however, is its past.
Examine what went wrong and why, and you might actually learn how to
produce real intelligence.

To do this --  you need an entirely new CIA -- one of analysts
dedicated to accurate intelligence on those threats -- not operators
and paramilitaries justifying themselves.

So far under Tenet the CIA has created any number of major
intelligence failures -- but we can assume the CIA's Center for the
Study of Intelligence later will write "studies"  showing how it got
these right.

  The CIA works overtime defending and propagandizing the past
via domestic press operations, Hollywood films, Television programs,
and scholastic forums.

  I was bothered to see the very effective and honest Dr. Kies,
moderator of CLOAKS, post a message for Dr. Macartney -- a member of
the CIA's lobbying organization, the Association of Former Intelligence
Officers (AFIO). Dr. Macartney's post announced a TV documentary.
CIA helped produce this series -- what does that say about its
objectivity?

  As stated above the CIA will never, can never, develop the
expertise
Tenet so vehemently and frequently exhorts until it ceases defending,
rather
than honestly examining its past. Tenet and others deceive themselves
and us to augment their future. Is this important? Is developing
anti-terrorist, anti-WMD, and anti-narcotics abilities important?
Or is it all smoke and mirrors?

Ralph McGehee
http://come.to/CIABASE
-

An Earlier Post:

 Media Operatons

  Attached herewith is information from an earlier post
on CIA and the Media based on a CIA document released
under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act.
This helps explain the media reality.

 Dissembling, Deception and Lies

   The Agency's domestic propaganda operations are continuous
and massive although hidden from sight -- and I assumed, illegal.
However, we have a document released under the provisions
of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), that sets forth the
operations of the Agency's Public Affairs Office (PAO). The below
are partial quotes from that document.

   After quoted details from that document, further below is a brief
examination of the CIA's clandestine use of the domestic media in the
50s' 60s' and into the seventies. It should be noted that the CIA ran
massive media operations around the world to overturn other governments
-- this subject is huge and also requires study. The best available
example of this usage is contained in the Church Committee's report of
the Agency's covert operation to overthrow the Allende government in
Chile
from 1963 - 1973. I posted extensive quotes from this document recently
and they can be found at my web site.

20 December 1991

MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence

   (After a number of introductory remarks the document sets forth
the programs of the Public Affairs Office (PAO).

A. MEDIA

   1) Current Program:

  a. PAO now has relationships with reporters from every major
wire service, newspaper, news weekly, and television network in the
nation. This has helped up turn some "intelligence 

[CTRL] (1/4) Italian Fascists and the CIA

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

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 ""Interviewed, an ex-NATO operative said that Ted Shackley, the
CIA's deputy station chief in Rome, "fixed a meeting between Alexander
Haig and [P2 Masonic Lodge figure] Licio Gelli at the US embassy in
Rome in the early 1970s, when Haig was President Nixon's Chief of Staff.
 "Money" he said, was filtered through the CIA to "Operation Gladio"
with the blessing of both Haig and National Security Council chief Henry
Kissinger.  Their aim was to prevent a "Communist takeover" of Italy ...

 "On the night of 7 December 1970 --anniversary of the Japanese
surprise attack on the United States fleet at Pearl Harbour in 1941--
the 'Black prince' Julio Borghese, once a commander of Mussolini's
naval forces, gave the order to proceed with the final stages of an
attempted FASCIST coup code-named "Tora, Tora".  Stefano delle
Chiaie, commanding 50 neo-nazis, occupied the buildings of the
Interior Ministry in Rome. They had gained entrance that morning
disguised as workmen and had lain low until Borghese gave the final
go-ahead for the coup.  However, at the last moment the coup was
called off ...  Borghese had received a telephone call from Gen. Vito
Micelli, head of the Italian secret service and implicated in the plot.
Realising at the last moment that Borghese and his followers were
being manipulated by another more powerful faction among the
plotters, Micelli decided to warn his friend to abort their mission.

 "At the trial in 1977, a colonel called Amos Spiazzi, investigated
for his links with the Borghese coup, spoke of a "secret organisation
operating within the [Italian] armed forces" that was not "subversive"
but protected the state from the possibility of a Marxist overthrow.
Spiazzi (who was acquitted at the trial) proudly admitted he had been
a member of the organization, named 'Operation Gladio,' since 1960."


Subj: [CTRL] Operation GLADIO - Part One of Four Parts
Date:   98-06-03 01:08:20 EDT
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. William Davis)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

copyright StatesWatch

 OPERATION GLADIO

1947 Origins of Gladio

"As early as 1947, the United States was constructing a clandestine network
in Northern Italy to act in the event of a communist insurrection or
electoral victory." (Wolfgang Achtner, Sunday Independent, 11/11/90)

"Though the Stay Behind operation was officially started only in 1952, "the
whole exercise had been in existence for a long time, in fact ever since
it was born in the head of Allen Dulles," said the ex-Nato source who has
access to files in several West European nations.  According to him,
Dulles, the first chief of the CIA, worked out the original plan to build
secret anti-communist guerilla forces across Europe when he was based in
Switzerland at the end of the second world war. Dulles, Sir Stewart Menzies
(SIS) and the Belgian Premier Paul Henri Spaak codified the plan in a
secret pact sometime between 1949 and 1952 under the umbrella of the
Clandestine Co-ordinating Committee at the Supreme Headquarters Allied
Powers Europe, (SHAPE), which became Nato. "There was a division of labour
between the British and the US," he continued, "with Britain taking
responsibility for the operation in France, Belgium, Holland, Portugal and
Norway and the Americans looking after Sweden, Finland and the rest of
Europe" (Searchlight, January 1991)

1951 Formation of Clandestine Planning Committee

"In 1951, said the newspaper [Die Welt], Allied intelligence agencies and
each participating nation - Germany, Italy and France being among the first
- agreed to set up a Committee for planning to oversee the network"
(Associated Press, 13/11/90)

1955-58 CIA control of Italian secret services
"Former defence minister Paulo Taviani [told Magistrate Casson during his
1990 investigation] that during his time in office (1955-1958), the Italian
secret services were bossed and financed by the boys in Via Veneto' - ie
the CIA agents in the US Embassy in the heart of Rome. (William Scobie,
Observer, 18/11/90)

1956 General Giovanni de Lorenzo appointed head of Sifar

"De Lorenzo was...appointed head of the secret services (Sifar) in 1956 by
President Granchi, he stayed on as head of Sifar after he was made
commander of the carabinieri in 1962." (Stuart Christie, "Stefano de
Chiaie", Anarchy/Refract, 1984)

1956 Formation of Gladio

"US documents declassified in the 1970's show that General Giovanni de
Lorenzo, the chief of Sifar (Italian Military Intelligence), joined the US
in the 1950's in preparing a plan against a Communist takeover, but did not
inform his own government.  According to a document released by Mr
Andreotti last month the CIA and Sifar sketched a plan in November 1956,
codenamed Gladio, to form a force of 1000 men capable of guerilla warfare
and espionage.  A training base was set-up in Sardinia and 139 weapons and
ammunition dumps were hidden in Northern Italy." (Wolfgang Achtner, Sunday
Independent, 11/11/90)


[CTRL] (4/4) Italian Fascists and the CIA

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

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Subj: [CTRL] Operation GLADIO - Part Four of Four Parts
Date:   98-06-03 01:08:39 EDT
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. William Davis)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


copyright StatesWatch

  OPERATION GLADIO (con'd)

HOLLAND

"A Dutch Defence Ministry spokesman confirmed that an arms cache uncovered
in Holland in 1983 was part of an underground NATO resistance network."
(Daily Telegraph, 13/11/90)

"Dutch Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers confirmed in a Tuesday letter to
Parliament that his government is running its version of the Gladio group,
but maintained it had informal links with NATO or other members of the
Alliance." (P Verschuur, Associated Press, 14/11/90)

"Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers said that 'I cannot exclude that [financial
contributions by] private persons were used in protecting and covering up
certain activities' of what he called the Stay Behind force. Dutch
newspapers reported last week that most of the organisation, also known as
Operations and Intelligence, was being paid for by wealthy industrialists
so that it could not be traced through government spending
records...Lubbers said earlier this month that the Dutch version of Gladio
was founded in the 1950s...He said the group did not engage in the more
military "guerilla-like activities" of its counterparts. (Associated Press,
21/11/90)

LUXEMBOURG

"In Luxembourg, Prime Minister Jaques Santer told Parliament...the
Luxembourg network was recently disbanded. (P Neuray, Associated Press,
14/11/90)

NORWAY

"Rolf Hansen, Norway's defence minister at the time, told Parliament that
the resistance groups were originally private, formed after the war. But
they had been placed under the supervision of the intelligence services,
he said. The Norwegian underground network was not answerable to NATO or
other countries, Hansen said, dismissing any connection with the CIA. But
he would not discuss details, saying the organisation's activities had to
be kept secret." (D Mellgren, Associated Press, 14/11/90)

"Christian Christenson, a former Norwegian intelligence officer, wrote
numerous books about the groups, as recently as this Autumn. He said
private groups were formed in 1947, sometimes kept Communists under
surveillance  and became part of the intelligence  service in 1948." (D
Mellgren, Associated Press, 14/11/90)

"The Norwegian branch of the network was exposed in 1978, when a policeman
stumbled upon one of its arms caches, containing at least 60 weapons and
12,000 rounds of ammunition.  The owner of the property where the cache was
found, Hans Otto Meyer, an intelligence agent, was arrested but claimed
that Norwegian intelligence had provided some of the weapons for use by a
resistance cell.  This was confirmed." (Richard Norton-Taylor, Guardian,
15/11/90)

PORTUGAL

"In Portugal, a Lisbon radio station has reported that cells of the network
associated with Operation Gladio were active there during the 1950s to
defend the rightist dictatorship of Dr Salazar." (John Palmer, Guardian,
10/11/90)

SPAIN

"Spain was invited to join a secret NATO group that coordinated a
clandestine resistance network, but declined and so knows nothing about the
workings of operation Gladio, the newspaper El Pais reported yesterday."
(Guardian, 26/11/90)

"France proposed Spain for membership of the network in 1973 but Britain,
Germany and the Netherlands blocked the move on the grounds that Spain was
not a democracy." (Richard Norton-Taylor, Guardian, 5/12/90)

SWEDEN (Sveaborg)

"The network, supported by the US CIA and Britain's MI6, existed from 1958
until at least 1978 and included 150 standby resistance leaders and special
arms depots across Sweden." (L Foyen, Reuters, 18/12/90)

"The Swedish government created in 1958 a full-fledged network known only
to the Prime Minister and a few selected cabinet ministers, military
leaders and industrialists. It was led by Swedish businessman, Alvar
Lindencrona, whose work for the International Chamber of Commerce made it
possible for him to travel inconspicuously to the US and Britain for
briefings with the CIA and MI6...It is unclear what happened to the
organisation after 1978 when Lindencrona retired. He died three years
later." (L Foyen, Reuters, 18/12/90)

"Sweden's Chief of Staff, General Bengt Gustafsson, confirmed reports that
a secret underground resistance group was formed in Sweden during the Cold
War, but said that the CIA were not involved." (Guardian 21/12/90)

""Right wing extremists in Sweden were part of the Stay Behind set-up and
I cannot understand why the Swedish authorities never took a closer look
at organisation," the former NATO man said.  He went on to name the
organisation as Sveaborg, which was founded in 1941 by Otto Hallberg and
is a shadowy and highly secretive group, mainly composed of veteran Swedish
volunteer battalion members who fought in the Finnish-Soviet war, some of
whom went on to join the Waffen SS Nordland division." 

[CTRL] (3/4) Italian Fascists and the CIA

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

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 "The German government is going to disband its part of 'Operation
Gladio,' the [CIA-funded] secret resistance network, Bonn officials said.
 "According to a German television report, the section consisted of
former SS and Waffen-SS officers, as well as members of an extreme
rightwing group, the Federation of German Youth.  It had drawn up plans
to assassinate leading figures of the 'leftist' Social Democratic Party
in the event of a Soviet-led invasion of Europe."
 (Richard Norton Taylor and David Gow, The Guardian, 17/11/90)


Subj: [CTRL] Operation GLADIO - Part Three of Four Parts
Date:   98-06-03 01:08:29 EDT
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. William Davis)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


copyright StatesWatch

  OPERATION GLADIO  (cont'd)

15/11/90 Official Commission on Terrorism

"Italian authorities launched an official inquiry yesterday into a
clandestine NATO terror group code-named Gladio...A commission will
question senior officers about Gladio. Admiral Fulvio Marini was quizzed
by the commission..."Gladio is virtually frozen. I can guarantee that," the
admiral told [them]. (Morning Star, 16/11/90)

22/11/90 European Parliament call for enquiry into Gladio

"The European Parliament yesterday called for an investigation into secret
anti-communist organisations set up in the 1950s." (Guardian. 23/11/90) See
Appendix 2 for full text.

28/11/90 Gladio Disbanded

"Operation Gladio has been dismantled.  General Paolo Inzerilli, chief of
staff of the Italian security service Sismi told the parliamentary
commission on terrorism that the Prime Minister issued the order on
Wednesday." (Charles Richards, Independent, 1/12/90)

4/12/90 President Cossiga's speech on Gladio

"In perhaps his most ill-advised intervention so far, Cossiga delivered a
eulogy on the paramilitary organisation in a speech to carabinieri cadets
at a training college in Rome.  Calling members of Gladio patriots, the
President suggested the magistrate investigating the organisation was
inspired by the same subversive ideals that fuelled Italy is left-wing
movements"
(Bruce Johnston, Sunday Times, 9/12/90)

10/12/90 Judicial inquiry into Gladio

The prosecutor of Rome...begins his examination into the possible criminal
illegality of the Gladio brief.  The inquiry splits into two: the Venetian
judges, Felice Casson and Marco Mastelloni, will continue to work on the
terrorist attack of 1972, in which three policemen were killed...The Rome
prosecutor, Uga Giudiceandrea, will rule on what is called "criminal
evidence", and decide whether to take legal proceedings against those
involved in setting up Gladio.  Among his first witnesses will be General
Giovanni de Lorenzo, head of Sifar in 1959, who is embroiled in inquiries
into another paramilitary network called Piano Solo, declared illegal in
1970 (Ed Vulliamy, Guardian, 10/12/90)


OPERATION 'STAY-BEHIND'   (THE BRITISH CONNECTION)

1940  Origins of the network?

"In Britain, a guerrilla network with arms caches was already in place
following the fall of France in 1940, according to senior military sources
who say it was disbanded after the war.  Its members, including the
legendary Brigadier "Mad Mike" Calvert, were drawn from a special forces
ski battalion of the Scots Guards which was originally intended to fight
in nazi-occupied Finland." (David Pallister, Guardian 5/12/90)

1948  Operation Stay Behind is put into operation

"The stay behind groups in Europe had their origins in the fear of
communism that concentrated the minds of British and US politicians and
planners after the second world war.  The plan, spearheaded by the infant
CIA as part of a huge covert action programme to assist anti-communist
organisations, had been conceived by the US Joint Chiefs of Staff,
according to the 1976 Senate report on the CIA by Frank Church which first
revealed its existence.  It was put into operation in 1948 by the National
Security Council, which set up the Office of Policy Coordination, a covert
operations unit created on the recommendation of a senior state department
Soviet expert, George Keenan, the man who formulated the Marshall Plan of
economic aid to western Europe.  Staffed and funded by the CIA, OPCs
central mission, according to Church, was to set up "stay behind nets in
the event of a future war" and support Nato forces against Soviet attacks."
(David Pallister, Guardian, 5/12/90)

Late 1940s-1950s  M16/SAS involvement

"The British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the SAS played their
part.  In the British sector of Germany, the SAS dug deep secret hides with
stores of weapons. MI6 helped the CIA to recruit agents who invaded Albania
in 1949 in an operation betrayed by the double agent, Kim Philby."

1950s

"A secret arms network was set up in Britain during the Cold War as part
of a west European anti-communist organisation, a former senior British
army officer revealed to the Guardian yesterday.  Plans were drawn 

[CTRL] (2/4) Italian Fascists and the CIA

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

 "CIA agent Richard Brenneke alleged that, throughout the 1970's
the CIA had funded the subversive P2 Masonic Lodge, believed to have
been involved in an Aug. 1980 train bombing in Bologna in which 85 people
were killed.  Furthermore, Brenneke claimed that, not only does the CIA
continue to finance a revived P2, but that it was involved in the 1986
assassination of Swedish Prime Minister Olaf Palme.
 "According to Brenneke, P2, under its Grand master Licio Gelli,
used funds made available by the CIA to set up agencies in West
Germany, Austria and Switzerland, which used for right-wing terrorism.
  "Brenneke alleged that President Bush, when director of the CIA,
not only knew about these CIA 'black ops' in Italy (during the 1970s
and 1980s) but was in fact one of the masterminds behind them."


Subj: [CTRL] Operation GLADIO - Part Two of Four Parts
Date:   98-06-03 01:08:19 EDT
From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (R. William Davis)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

copyright StatesWatch

  OPERATION GLADIO (cont'd)


1972 Disarming of Gladio

"Gladio has still not been officially disbanded... It was equipped with
arms caches which, according to Mr Andreotti, were recalled in 1972,
although two went missing." (John Wyles.  Financial Times, 9/11/90)

1972 Peteano bomb attack

Fascist bomb attack killed three carabinieri (see above)

cl973 Gladio unit visit Britain

"Britain hosted a unit responsible for organising Operation
Gladio...General Gerardo Serraville, who said the Italians trained at a
military base in Britain, was giving evidence in Rome to a parliamentary
inquiry." (see 1990).

23/11/73 Bombing of the plane Argo 16

"General Geraldo Serraville, head of Gladio from 1971 to 1974, told a
television programme that he now thought the explosion aboard the plane
Argo 16 on 23 November 1973 was probably the work of gladiatori who were
refusing to hand over  their clandestine arms.  Until then it was widely
believed the sabotage was carried out by Mossad, the Israeli foreign
service, in retaliation for the pro-Libyan Italian government's decision
to expel, rather than try, five arabs who had tried to blow up an Israeli
airliner.  The Arabs had been spirited out of the country on board the Argo
16." (Charles Richards, independent, 1/12/90)

1974 Denial of Gladio's existence

"...Andreotti denied the existence of a secret agency  linked to the spy
services"   (Wolfgang Achtner, Sunday Independent, 11/11/90)

""I can say that the head of the secret services has repeatedly and
unequivocally excluded the existence of a hidden organisation of any type
or size," the Italian Minister of Defence, Giulio Andreotti, told a
judicial enquiry in 1974 into the alleged existence of a secret state
army." (Ed Vulliamy, Guardian, 5/12/90)

1974 British "Gladio" visit to Italy

Gladio "counterparts in Britain, where the plan was given the name
Operation Stay Behind, visited Italy in 1974, according to a senior Italian
intelligence official." (Richard norton-Taylor  David Gow, Guardian,
17/11/90)

1974-79  P2 and US involvement with Gladio?

"Declassified secret service papers reveal that Ted Shackley, deputy
chief of the CIA station in Rome in the 1970's introduced the notorious
Licio Gelli - head of the neo-fascist P2 masonic lodge and for years a
fugitive in Argentina - to General Alexander Haig, then Nixon's chief of
staff, and later, from 1974 to 79, Nato Supreme Commander. P2 was a
right-wing shadow government, ready to take over Italy, that included four
Cabinet Ministers, all three intelligence chiefs, 48 MPs, 160 military
officers, bankers, industrialists, top diplomats and the Army Chief of
Staff.  After meetings between Gelli, Italian military brass and CIA men
in the embassy, Gladio was given renewed blessing - and more money - by
Haig and the then head of the National Security Council, Henry Kissinger.
Just how those and later funds were spent is a key point in the [Casson]
investigation." (William Scobie, Observer, 18/11/90)

1978 Red Brigade killing of Aldo Moro

"As the conspiracy theorists would have it, Mr Moro was allowed to be
killed either with the acquiescence of people high in Italy's political
establishment, or at their instigation, because of the historic compromise
he had made with the Communist Party, western Europe's largest, which
brought them closer to power than ever before."  (Charles Richards  Simon
Jones, Independent, 16/11/90)

"A cache of previously unknown letters written by the former Prime
Minister, Aldo Moro, just prior to his execution by Red Brigade terrorists
in 1978, was last month discovered in a Milan apartment which had once been
used as a Red Brigade hideout.  One of those letters made reference to the
involvement of both NATO and the CIA in an Italian based secret service, a
"parallel" army."
(Paddy Agnew, Irish Times, 15/11/90)

"This safe house had been thoroughly searched at the time by Carlo Albert
Dalla Chiesa, the head of 

[CTRL] *Hansen L. Roschab of the Federal Reserve*

1999-11-22 Thread lloyd

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
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Subject:  *Hansen L. Roschab of the Federal Reserve*
Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 2:24 PM


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From: "Annette Estes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

PARABLE OF THE MONEYA TRUE STORY
(Names and places have been changed to protect identity)

The process whereby banks create a nation's money supply through fake
loans is perhaps the most astounding sleight-of-hand ever developed.  It
is clearly revealed in the following fable, written by the late Robert
Hemphill and embellished slightly by L.E. Fleischer:

   

Once upon a time to the Temple of the Thirteen Suns came the rich and
powerful Chief Oomah the Third, who said to the goldsmith of the temple,
Hansen L. Roschab, "I have much gold and am about the depart to a far
country.  Wilt thou keep this gold safely for me against my return a year
hence?  I will pay thee well."

The wily Hansen coughed loudly and covered his countenance with a cloth
lest the rich Oomah the Third observe his joy to have this treasure in
his possession.  When he was calm and could look serious he said to
Oomah, "It is a very great responsibility and risk but I will undertake
it for a tithe which will be one shekel in every ten."

Then said the Chief Oomah, "It is a deal."  And forthwith his slaves
delivered many bags containing in all a thousand shekels of gold for
which Hansen L. Roschab, the goldsmith, gave the chief a parchment
deposit writing payable to whomsoever, and thereupon Chief Oomah
departed happily upon his journey.

As soon as he was well out of the country, the shrewd Hansen called his
confidential scribe and bade him thus: "Go thee to the merchants whom I
tell thee of and secretly say to each that thy master hath a little gold
for hire upon good security."  And the servant departed swiftly.

Soon there came to him a great merchant who said, "Hansen, you old
crook, I am in a jam for a few shekels of gold.  Wilt lend me?"  And
Hansen replied, "Money is very tight these days, but it might be
arranged.  What is they need?"  The merchant answered, "Two hundred
shekels."

Then said Hansen, "It is much money.  What security couldst thou pledge
for so great a sum?"
Then the merchant showed Hansen a writing of his possessions of
merchandise to the amount of a thousand shekels.  Hansen said, "It is
not enough.  Thou must also pledge thy dwelling and thy slaves and
thy raiment."  Whereupon the merchant, after much protest, pledged all
his possessions, even unto his innermost raiment.

Then said he to Hansen, "I have no place to store so much gold.  Keep it
safe for me and give me a writing, give me a deposit writing, which I
may deliver to whomsoever I will."  And Hansen did even so.  (NOTE:
Lender and borrower owe each other equally, so NO DEBT EXISTS BETWEEN
THEM.)

The next day came another merchant, and another, and still another.  And
to each Hansen loaned a portion of the gold of Chief Oomah the Third,
taking from each as security his entire possessions, including his
innermost personal raiment, and have to each a writing upon parchment
showing that each had on deposit the gold he had borrowed, until upon
the tenth day he had given parchment deposit writings for the whole of
the thousand shekels.  But he still had all the gold.

Hansen reflected much upon this curious state of affairs, and said to
himself, "These birds know not how much gold I possess.  They don't want
the actual gold itself; what they really want is credit, that is, a
deposit writing which they may pass from hand to hand as money.
Actually, all they need is the figure that appears on the gold ­ just a
figure to pass from buyer to seller.  I have a grand idea!"

On the next day came another merchant, and another, and still another.
And to each Hansen showed the great store of gold of Oomah the Third,
and to each he pretended to loan a portion, although he had previously
loaned it all to the first ones who came.

And it came to pass that at the end of another ten days Hansen had
pretended to loan to many more merchants and had given writings of
deposit for a second thousand shekels, making 2,000 shekels in all,
although he had only 1,000 shekels of Oomah the Third.

And still he had all the gold.

Whereupon Hansen reflected to himself, "What a cinch; what a leaden pipe
cinch!  I wonder I did not think of this before.  I can collect just as
much interest, just as much usury, for the phony deposit writings as for
the genuine.  Verily, I am a financial wizard."

Thereupon Hansen caused to be noised about that he possessed a vast
store of gold 

[CTRL] Another Excellent parable re Fiat Money

1999-11-22 Thread Chuck Acme

 -Caveat Lector-

 THE MONEY MYTH EXPLODED
 The financial enigma resolved
 http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/money.htm



THE MONEY MYTH EXPLODED
The financial enigma resolved

A debt money system
by Louis Even
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1. Shipwreck survivors
An explosion had blown their ship apart. Each one grasped the first bit of
wreckage that came to hand, And when it was over there were five left, five
huddled on a raft which the waves carried along at their will, As for the
other victims of the disaster, there was no sign of them.

Hour after long hour their eyes searched the horizon. Would some passing ship
sight them? Would their makeshift raft find its way to some friendly shore?
Suddenly a cry rang out: "Land! Look! Over there in the direction the waves
are carrying us!"
And as the vague silhouette proved itself to be, in fact, the outline of a
shore, the figures on the raft danced with joy.
They were five, five Canadians. There was Frank, the carpenter, big and
energetic, It was he who had first cried, "Land!"
hen Paul, a farmer. You can see him on his knees, one hand against the floor,
the other gripping the mast of the raft.
Next Jim, an animal breeder; he's the one in the striped pants, kneeling and
gazing in the direction of land.
Then there is Harry, an agriculturist, a little on the stout side, seated on
a trunk salvaged from the wreck.
And finally Tom, a prospector and a mineralogist; he is the merry fellow
standing in the rear with his hand on the carpenter's shoulder.
2. A Providential island

To our five men, setting foot on land was like returning to life from the
grave.
When they had dried and warmed themselves their first impulse was to explore
this little island on to which they had been cast, far from civilization.
A quick survey was sufficient to raise their spirit. The island was not a
barren rock. True enough, they were the only men on it at the moment. But
judging from the herds of semi-domesticated animals they encountered, there
must have been men here at some time before them. Jim, the animal breeder,
was sure he could completely domesticate them and put them to good service.
Paul found the island's soil, for the most part, to be quite suitable for
cultivation.
Harry discovered some fruit trees which, if properly tended, would give good
harvests.
Most important were the large stands of timber embracing many types of wood.
Frank, without too much difficulty, would be able to build houses for the
little community.
As Tom, the prospector, well, the rock formations of the island showed signs
of rich mineral deposits, Lacking the tools, Tom still felt his ingenuity and
initiative could produce metals from the ores.
So each could serve the common good with his special talent. All agreed to
call the place Salvation Island. All gave thanks to Providence for the
reasonably happy ending to what could have been stark tragedy.
3. True wealth

Here are the men at work.
The carpenter builds houses and makes furniture. At first they find their
food where they can. But soon the fields are tilled and seeded, and the
farmer has his crops.
As season followed season this island, this heritage of the five men,
Salvation Island, became richer and richer.
Its wealth was not that of gold or of paper bank notes, but one of true
value; a wealth of food and clothing and shelter, of all the things to meet
human needs.
Each man worked at his own trade. Whatever surpluses he might have of his own
produce, he exchanged for the surplus products of the others.
Life wasn't always as smooth and complete as they could have wished it to be.
They lacked many of the things to which they had been accustomed in
civilization. But their lot could have been a great deal worse.
Besides, all had experienced the depression in Canada. They still remembered
the empty bellies side by side with stores crammed with food.
At least, on Salvation Island, they weren't forced to see the things they
needed rot before their eyes. Taxes were unknown here. Nor did they go in
constant fear for seizure by the bailiff.
They worked hard but at least they could enjoy the fruits of their toil.
So they developed the island, thanking God and hoping for the day of reunion
with their families still in possession of life and health, those two
greatest of blessings.
4. A serious inconvenience

Our men often got together to talk over their affairs.
Under the simple economic system which had developed, one thing was beginning
to bother them more and more; they had no form of money. Barter, the direct
exchange of goods for goods, had its drawbacks. The products to be exchanged
were not always at hand when a trade was discussed. For example, wood
delivered to the farmer in winter could not be paid for in potatoes until six
months later.
Sometimes one man might have an article of considerable size which he wished
to exchange for a number of smaller articles produced by different men at
different times.
All this complicated business 

[CTRL] LFAS SURTASS Navy project endangering Ocean mammals; whales, dolphins, other sea creatures

1999-11-22 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: jean hudon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:58 PM
To: Dave Kupelian
Subject: COULD YOU PLEASE READ THIS AND SEE IF YOU COULD COVER THIS
URGENT ISSUE?


Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999
From: Larry Morningstar [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - November, 1999

CONTACT: Bobbie Sandoz Phone: 1-808-524-6775;
Fax: 1-808-538-0423
AVAILABLE FOR RADIO AND TV INTERVIEWS

BEWARE, THE BEACHED CANARIES
What Stranded Dolphins and Whales Have in Common with the Pokemon Craze

By Bobbie Sandoz, MSW, Counselor/Columnist/Speaker/Author Listening to Wild
Dolphins, Learning their Secrets for Living with Joy (November, 1999)

--

Will Lethal Levels of LFA Sonar be Allowed to Threaten our Oceans and
World? Or will we Stop this Risky Technology in the Nick of time? The
Answer could Rest in how you Respond to the Following Article.

--

Are dolphins and whales the Pokemon of the sea, uniting in tears over our
hurting so much of the goodness in life and then offering us love in spite
of our treatment of them and others? And, why have these gentle beings who
come to our shores to make friends with people -- then entertain, rescue,
and heal us -- recently become the primary victims of these human attacks?

Have you ever wondered why so many dolphins and whales and other marine
mammals seem to be stranding on our shores like beached canaries? Have you
questioned why their numbers along with those of turtles and fish have
suddenly switched from flourishing populations to dying and diminished
communities? Could it be that these deaths are a result of human assaults
on marine life rather than some mysterious natural phenomenon as biased
'experts' suggest?

Is it possible that the remarkably intelligent dolphins and whales are
making their way to our beaches before dying to serve as giant canaries
alerting us to something amiss in their world beneath the sea and out of
our view? And how many more are sinking from our sight to the ocean's floor
before making their way to our shores?

But the bigger question is whether we will respond to their deaths in time
to save their lives and ours as the coal miners did when the canaries they
took with them into the mines to test their toxic air returned in still
silence? Will we notice the apparent connection between these strandings
and their pattern of occurrence in the path of a new and powerful, yet
superficially tested, technology called low frequency active sonar (LFAS)?
Or will we react with foolish relief and believe in-house 'experts' who
prematurely rush their opinions to the media without sufficient exploration
or evidence that these deaths are unrelated to their sonar activities? And
how long will we behave with paralysis as we did during the holocaust and
continue to deny this disquieting prelude to a potentially perilous
problem? How long will it take for us to notice this growing fulfillment of
predictions made in 1997 by the Marine Mammal Commission when they said
that lung and tissue explosion in marine mammals as well as hearing loss
and subsequent starvation was likely to happen if LFAS was employed
worldwide as proposed? And now that the development of this technology has
crept past a slumbering nation and is eminently poised for full deployment,
will we respond at long last? I was pondering this globally critical
question one day as I swam in a bay near my Hawaiian home amidst 50
dolphins who approached and circled me, then stayed to play for over an
hour. They swam near me in twos and threes, showing off their babies,
chirping hello, and engaging me in beguiling gazes. One had a white gauze
scarf he had found in the ocean debris and used to adorn his fin, then his
tail, and finally to wrap around his dorsal. Later he held it in his mouth
and dropped it for me to get, but just as I reached for it, he snatched it
away, then looked at me with a twinkle in his eye before doing it again. I
wondered as he waved his white flag before me if it offered my species a
symbol of peace as well as the joy we could have if we found it. While my
dolphin friends were swimming with me in Hawaii, a group of large-brained
orcas across the Pacific gathered around a boat in the San Juans in time to
appreciate a human concert given in their honor. They showed particular
interest in "Amazing Grace" -- or forgiveness without merit -- while
hundreds of their gray whale cousins washed up dead on North American
shores, again drawing our attention to something afoul in their underwater
world outside of our view.

I was reminded by these cetacean encounters of another one I had enjoyed in
the Dominican Republic when a humpback mother graced a group of us swimming
in her ocean home by lying on her back 

Re: [CTRL] Cairo angered by US 'whitewash' to save Boeing

1999-11-22 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curiously, last night NBC aired Goldeneye--the James Bond thriller
about the electromagnetic pulse weapon. It's an oldey but kind of
confirms its existence. What was even more curious was that it
wasn't on any of my TV schedules.

And to add to the curiosity factor, wasn't a thriller based on Y2K the
movie that WAS scheduled?  Did NBC black out the Y2K movie in all
markets, or just a few...?


June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread C Davis

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Oh right! Indiana Jones found itI forgot

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread C Davis

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No its not...its in my backyard holding wood for the fireplace...

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread Tenorlove

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Hey, I have it too! My kids use it for toy storage..Did anyone else
realize the Ark was made by Little Tykes?
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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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Uh huh...

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It mattersits a way to communicate with the gods or God.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Weekly Analysis November 22, 1999

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan






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 From Jerusalem to Grozny: Replotting the Eastern Hemisphere's Pivot


Summary:

Draw a circle with a thousand-mile radius around Ankara, Turkey.
That circle is the pivot of the Eastern Hemisphere. It is the
crossroads of Europe, Asia and Africa, and the place where empires
are made and broken. What would be minor elsewhere can be of
enormous significance within this pivotal circle. During the 1980s,
ancient feuds between tiny Lebanese clans had global significance.
Today, hatreds in Kosovo trigger major powers to massive exertion.
Following the retreat of the Russian empire, the area of
significant instability has shifted to the west and north of
Turkey. The Golan Heights has become globally insignificant. The
futures of Grozny and Sarajevo have become vital. Understanding
this is the key to policy making today.


Analysis:

This week's visit to Turkey by OSCE nations' leaders gives us an
opportunity to consider some of the extraordinary geopolitical
shifts currently under way. Ever since the Cold War ended, we have
been dealing with places that history seemed to have buried
generations ago. Who, in 1985, would have imagined world leaders
obsessed with cities like Sarajevo, Pristina and Grozny? Who would
have thought that Beirut, Damascus and Jerusalem would be relegated
to the sidelines and that a meeting of world leaders would deal
with them only in passing. It is extraordinary how a decade has
reshaped the geography of crisis.

This redirection of leaders' attention represents a fundamental
shift in the geopolitics of the region where Asia, Europe and
Africa meet, the pivot of the Eastern Hemisphere. At the center is
Turkey, host of the OSCE summit. Also in this pivot are the Levant
countries, the eastern coast of the Mediterranean, the highway to
and from Egypt and Africa, including Syria, Lebanon and Israel. To
the east is Iran, the land route to India and the rest of Asia. To
the northwest are the Balkans and the trans-Danubian countries, the
road to and from Europe. And finally, to the north is the
Caucasus region, the road to and from the Russian heartland. (See
the map at
[ http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/middle_east_and_asia/M
iddle_East98.jpg ]

If you drew a circle with a 1,000-mile radius and Ankara as the
centerpoint, it would contain both the crossroads of the Eastern
Hemisphere and the persistent center of political crisis since
Roman times. The circle, of course, does not contain every trouble
spot in the world, but over the centuries, every inch of it has
been a focus of conflict. Empires have been created and destroyed
in this region. No global power can exist that does not define its
policy in the Eastern Hemisphere. No nation can have a policy in
the Eastern Hemisphere without a coherent policy in the
hemisphere's pivot. A coherent policy necessitates understanding
the hemisphere's dynamic.

The region abounds in small, fragmented and hostile nations, an
inevitable result of its geography. The creation of a European,
African or Asian empire south of the Himalayas requires securing
this region. Would-be conquerors must subjugate either a
significant portion or its entirety, or else they must form
alliances with strategic elements. The ability of these nations to
survive over time is reinforced by topography. The area is replete
with rugged mountains and desolate deserts, making it difficult to
mount conclusive military operations. In this terrain, nations can
survive endless shifts in the political winds.

From the Balkans to the Caucasus, and to the Lebanese highlands, a
dizzying array of ancient peoples live in close contact. They
generally despise one another with a passion difficult for
outsiders to grasp. Each clan or nation has a thousand years of
resentment toward their neighbors piled up. Each can name a
thousand atrocities committed against it. Each justifies its own
atrocities as just retribution. Any outsider trying to develop a
moral calculus for assigning blame will quickly go mad.

The intractable, petty regional geopolitics makes it a good place
for 

[CTRL] Fwd: The LONDON Gauleiter for the EU

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan





Hi,

I really can't see why everyone is getting so excited about who is the EU's
new Mayor of London.

The concept as put forward by Tiny Blur and his accolytes has ABSOLUTELY
nothing to do with London and everything to do with bringing London under the
direct control of a foreign power.

If we the peoples of Britain wish to change the House of Lords and
decentralise aspects of OUR Governance there is no problem with so doing
within the framework of OUR Constitution.

The people are being lied to, as usual, by Tiny Blur and his cotterie.
REGIONALISATION and all these impotent Assemblies and the concept of Mayors
in large cities and the destruction [rather than restucturing] of the House
of Lords are to align with Articles #263, 264  265 of the CONsolidated
EUropean Union Treaties.

Who is elected Mayor of London or head of the Mickey Mouse Assemblies is a
matter of total irrelevance they will be doing what they are told/allowed by
the un democratic, corrupt, protectionist and evil EUropean Union.

Once we are no longer members of the Evil Union we can discuss OUR structure
of governance, openly, fairly, with decency and act within the laws of our
Sovereign independent Nation. Until that day comes we HAVE TO do what the EU
dictates and the sole purpose of the parliament at Westminster is to use any
method they can to sell the evil concept to the peoples of Britain - Tiny
Blur has found a good way of doing this TELL LIES.

The article pasted below from the Sunday Telegraph may interest you and in
the mean time:

Good luck  if I can help you in your efforts in defence of the British
peoples and our Nation please just ask. Do visit our shop, if you are ever in
the area, we are open from 10.30ish. till 5.30pm., 6 days a week.

Regards,
Greg

Greg Lance - Watkins,
The Welsh Assembly,
c/o Glance Back Books,
17  Upper Church Street,
CHEPSTOW,
NP16 5EX
Monmouthshire,
Britain.

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Sunday Telegraph
Sunday 21 November 1999

Norris now expected to take over
By Jo Knowsley

Tory peer quits race for mayor after admitting perjury plot

ANY sense of glee that Lord Archer's former rivals might have felt about his
dramatic and sudden withdrawal was tempered by fears that they would face
a stronger Tory candidate.

Glenda Jackson, one of the three Labour candidates, said she was "shocked
and flabbergasted" at the news. She said: "I just hope it will still be
possible
for everyone to maintain a clean campaign." Ms Jackson said she now
expected Steven Norris, the former transport minister, to stand as the Tory
candidate, adding that the Conservatives would then have "a genuinely
formidable character".

Ken Livingstone agreed. Last night he said: "The most likely outcome of this
is
that the Tories will stand a political bruiser like Steven Norris. And unlike
Archer, Norris would enjoy united support from the Tory press and the Tory
party's machine. Labour activists will now expect the formidable attack skills
of Labour's Millbank HQ to be deployed against Norris."

Frank Dobson, the former Health Secretary, and Labour leadership favourite
for the party's mayoral nomination, said the withdrawal of Lord Archer meant
that the three Labour candidates would face a stronger Tory challenge. He
said: "Labour will now clearly face a more formidable candidate. Labour
needs to choose a serious candidate for a serious job. London's voters want a
candidate who will make a practical difference, not a headline grabber of a
self-publicist."

Susan Kramer, the Liberal Democrat candidate, said: "The mayoral race has
gone from farce to tragedy. For several months there will be no Labour or
Conservative candidate in the field. Both parties have lost the confidence of
the voters. Every further day which they spend trying to sort out their
internal
crises is a day which they are not devoting to the problems of Londoners."

The Conservative party's mayoral selection panel will reconvene today to
decide whether to select Mr Norris, who was beaten by Lord Archer in the
original ballot of London Conservatives, or whether to hold a fresh election.
A
new election would be possible, since Labour has only just selected its
shortlist of candidates and has yet to start sending out ballot papers.

2 October 1999: Chaotic start as Archer is picked for mayor race
6 July 1999: Norris will challenge Archer for mayor vote




[CTRL] Fwd: THE SCOOP: Who Wants To Be A Millionaire

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan





The Scoop - http://www.bobharris.com/

New subscribers: thanks for joining. Yep, the column is free, and you’re
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Apologies for my recent extended absence.  My computer got the flu and so
did I.


bh



THE SCOOP for November 22, 1999
 ___

Who Wants To Be A Millionaire, And Why?
Also: What The Mars Orbiter Can Still Teach Us
© 1999 Bob Harris
http://www.bobharris.com
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

* * = italics




*Regis: For $64,000... What whole number comes immediately after 3?

A: 17
B: 372
C: 4
D: Texas

Contestant: Oh, wow, Reege... I know I should know this... Can I use a
lifeline?*


Last weekend, I needed to get my mind away from some stuff.

Ron and Nancy Reagan used to get away from it all by going up to their
ranch near Santa Barbara.  So my friend Andrea, who has a great sense of
what makes me laugh, suggested it might be pleasantly distracting to
follow in their footsteps.  So we drove up the coast and spent a weekend
people-watching.

My mind never got off the stuff I was thinking about.  And now I'm writing
about it.

"Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" is possibly the goofiest, lamest quiz show
in history.  The questions are mostly dopey, and everyone knows it.  The
prizes are inordinately huge.  Regis Philbin opens every show backlit like
Criswell in "Plan 9 From Outer Space."

America loves it.

And that's what I wanted to get away from in Santa Barbara.

There are indeed distractions to be found.  Santa Barbara, we discovered
almost immediately, is home to the original Sambo's restaurant.  The sign
is still up -- it's huge, right by the main beach, and impossible to miss
-- and the business is open and thriving and operating proudly.

Whuh?  I thought the old Sambo's restaurants had all changed to Denny's
and became landmarks of racial harmony.  Apparently not.

Indeed, in the restaurant's menus and even its website (www.sambos.com,
which happily repeats the Little Black Sambo story in full), even Sambo
himself -- an Indian boy -- is depicted as remarkably white.  How odd...

The contestants on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire" are remarkably white,
too.  Just like the rest of prime-time television.

The contestants are also just about as intelligent as typical prime-time
TV.  In the last week alone:

Knowing that Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain was worth
$64,000.
Knowing that there are four strings on a violin was worth $125,000.
Knowing that Georges Seurat was the painter known for pointillism was
worth $250,000.
Knowing that Frodo Baggins was a Hobbit was worth $500,000.

And not one of the above questions was answered correctly.  Instead,
contestant after contestant paraded through the hot seat, replying even to
junior high questions the same way Shaquille O'Neal shoots free throws:

How many teaspoons in a tablespoon?  Brick.
How many innings in a softball game?  Brick.
Who composed "The Blue Danube?"  Brick.

And remembering that Richard Nixon once said "sock it to me" on "Laugh-In"
was worth $1,000,000.

Gee.  A million dollars sure isn't worth much these days...

Santa Barbara, we discovered, also has an upscale restaurant catering
entirely to rich people's dogs.

Andrea and I wandered into Three Dog Market because we thought it was a
delicatessen.  The rows of shelves and long glass display cases fairly
bulge with canned goods and condiments, none of which, it turns out, are
intended for human consumption.  The presentation is hard to swallow, too:
almost everything is named with dog-themed puns too gruesome to repeat.

We stood nearby and watched as Patagonia-bedecked locals dropped sawbucks
on pricey patés for a prized Pekinese... and, on exiting the store, walked
right on by a homeless human outside.

Money doesn't buy happiness.  It buys stuff.  Gotta remember that...

Because I reached the "Jeopardy!" Tournament of Champions two years ago
(which of late I've finally stopped annoying people with, at least until
the column you're now reading), I've been getting email bugging me to try
out for "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire."

For those of you who haven't tried the phone game, they ask three
questions, which you are instructed to answer with the keypad of a
touch-tone phone.  Here's what they asked me when I finally called:

Question 1: Arrange the following words to form the name of a famous event:

1) Massacre
2) Saint
3) Day
4) Valentine's

Clearly, this question only exists to make sure you didn't die during the
recorded instructions.

Question 2: Arrange the following wives in chronological order by birth:

1) Eunice Shriver
2) Marilyn Quayle
3) Wallis Simpson
4) Kitty Dukakis

Hint: Wallis Simpson was married to the Duke of Windsor, not OJ.

Question 3: Arrange the following writers in chronological order:

1) Benjamin Franklin
2) Nathaniel 

[CTRL] News from Inside Bilderberg http://www.bigissue.com/london/articles/0006.htm

1999-11-22 Thread lloyd

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
Subject:  News from Inside Bilderberg  http://www.bigissue.com/london/articles/0006.htm

Subject:   News from Inside Bilderberg  
http://www.bigissue.com/london/articles/0006.htm

   In the first of a
two-part series, Gibby Zobel uncovers how the global power elite decides 
our future at the
shadowy Bilderberg Summit each year. Documents from the secret summit - 
leaked to The Big
Issue - reveal what they said about money and war

For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West's most powerful men and 
women, a shadow
world government, have met in secret. Tony Blair is in the club. Every US 
president since
Ike Eisenhower has been too. So are top members of the British Government. 
So are the
people who control what you watch and read - the media barons. Which is 
why you may never
have heard of Bilderberg.

quot;Lines of black limousines, unmarked except for a 'B' on the 
windscreen, swept in,
sometimes accompanied by police escorts, sometimes not,quot; says an 
eyewitness of this
year's meeting in Portugal. quot;A helicopter was overhead, and other 
security officers
were prudently patrolling the hillsides. The policy on duty at the gates 
made it crystal
clear that they were only the tip of the security iceberg.quot;

For two-and-a-half days, relaxing in exclusive luxury amid vast armed 
security, the
powerful leaders discussed past and future wars, a European superstate, a 
global currency,
genetics, and the dismantling of the welfare state. Unaccountable, 
untroubled and
unreported, the Bilderberg meetings have formed the basis of international 
policy for
decades.

Last year freelance journalist Campbell Thomas was arrested just for 
knocking on doors
near the clandestine gathering in Turnberry, Scotland. He remained in 
custody for eight
hours. Other journalists were told that even the Bilderberg menu was 
confidential (a move
they named 'Kippergate'). A serving police officer told 'The Big Issue': 
quot;Special
Branch and CIA were everywhere - they were calling the shots.quot;

Never in its 47-year history has the content of these discussions been 
made public. Until
now. 'The Big Issue' has uncovered the Bilderberg Papers - the secret 
minutes of this
year's meeting in Portugal. Some of it is banal, some of it sensational. 
It blows the lid
off the thoughts of presidents, chairmen of multinational companies, world 
bankers, Nato
chiefs and defence ministers.

The meetings are shrouded in such secrecy that Prime Minister Tony Blair, 
when asked last
year in the House of Commons, failed to disclosed his own attendance at 
Bilderberg in
Athens in 1993.

strongSo, what have they been hiding? /strong

- Nato gave Russia carte blanche to bomb Chechnya

- 'Dollarisation' could be the the next step after the single European 
currency

- A senior British politician thinks New Labour is quot;consolidating the 
victories of
the Rightquot;. On welfare cuts he adds: quot;It might be easier for 
somebody who
claimed to be a socialist to impose change.quot;

- After Kosovo Nato is in danger of mimicking a colonial power

Although 14 media chiefs and journalists from across eight countries 
attended this year,
none of them chose to tell their readers of the meeting. It would not 
serve their
interests to be cut out of the elite loop. With an invite-only guest-list, 
covert
operations and such deafening silence, it is little surprise that 
conspiracy theories have
thrived, from the anti-semites who believe in a Jewish global elite, to 
the paranoid
delusions of the radical left. The effect has been to leave the importance 
of the meetings
tainted by association. It suits the Bilderbergers perfectly.

The Bilderberg meetings began in a Dutch hotel on May 29 1954, from where 
it gets its
name. 'The Economist', in a rare reference to it in 1987, said that the 
importance of the
meetings was overplayed but admitted: quot;When you have scaled the 
Bilderberg, you have
arrived.quot;

At last year's meeting, former defence minister George Robertson, who is 
now Nato
secretary-general, planned strategies with the Bilderberg chair and 
ex-Nato chief Lord
Carrington.

'Observer' editor-in-chief Will Hutton attended Bilderberg in 1997. He 

[CTRL] Monsanto buys Science-to-order

1999-11-22 Thread Dave

 -Caveat Lector-

wonder how much insider trading was going on throughout the continuing
debacle of Monsanto's attempt to own the agriculture business with
Terminator Seeds, FrankenFoods(tm), Bt-poisonous crops,
rBGH human active hormone in milk, mutagenic organophosphate Roundup,
crops genetically manipulated to be poison-resistant (to mutagenic
Roundup)...

Quick- put a stake thru it's heart before it kills again!
This corp deserves to be a CORPSE.
Corporate DEATH for Monsanto- Charter revocation, and
criminal prosecution of the masterminds behind this reign of terror!

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/JF97/biotech_jump.html

from Part 2 of 'A Growing Concern'

The Farmer and The Professor

In October 1996, Monsanto reported at a stock analysts' meeting in New
York that preliminary results showed some of the farmers using Bt cotton
had experienced 15 to 17 percent increases in yields; farmers using
Monsanto's transgenic soybean seed had high yields as well.

Due to its well-publicized foray into biotechnology, Monsanto's stock rose
71 percent in 1996. The company claims that the Brazos River Valley crop
and other Bt cotton failures scattered throughout the South are anomalies,
brought on by unusually high bollworm counts. "The dynamics of a
biological system like this are very complex," says Randy Deaton, the
product development manager for cotton at Monsanto. "We can put some
explanations on why some farmers had to spray, but to be quite honest,
there's no hard data one way or the other." Thirteen of Conn's fellow
cotton growers don't buy that excuse and have filed a class-action suit
against Monsanto, Delta Pine, and other companies, alleging they rushed Bt
cotton to market and used a slick promotional campaign to cover up its
flaws. The plaintiffs also claim the companies have misrepresented the
success of last summer's Bt cotton harvest in public statements.  "I've
met farmers in Louisiana, farmers in central Mississippi who won't be
planting this stuff again," says Philip K. Maxwell, the plaintiffs'
attorney. "I was in one field where the Bt cotton had grown 9 feet high,
straight up like a bean stalk with no fruit. It was crazy-looking. Freak
cotton."

Deaton denies that Monsanto misled farmers: "It would be very silly for us
to do that. You might convince a farmer to buy Bt cotton once, but if it
doesn't work in the field like you said, he's not going to come back next
year. And we need return buyers."

But Texas AM entomologist John Benedict, who helped Monsanto research Bt
cotton, says he and other scientists told the company in advance that
there were -problems with Bt cotton. "They should have done a few more
years of research before taking the product public," Benedict says.
"There was a little too much hype and not enough caution."

Monsanto had come to Texas AM in 1990 with several different cotton seeds
the company wanted to test in the field, each seed inserted with a
different DNA sequence. It was Benedict's job to determine which clone
performed the best in a series of trials -- plant growth, fruit
production, insect control.

Starting in 1991, Benedict reported his annual findings back to the
company, speaking mostly of Bt cotton's great promise. But he says he also
pointed out that Bt cotton wasn't providing an airtight defense against
the bollworm. "We got pretty high levels of damage in the test plots," he
says.

"I believed there were problems controlling bollworms with Bt cotton,"
says Benedict.

"That information never got passed on to the farmers, at least not
sufficiently."

In a Delta Pine-Monsanto brochure distributed to farmers, Bt cotton was
touted as the nearest thing to fail-safe. Another promotional brochure
contained a picture of the worms, with the caption: "You'll see these in
your cotton and that's okay. Don't spray."

from http://motherjones.com/mother_jones/JF97/biotech_jump2.html

A Growing Concern (Part 3)

Benedict blames the system. "The universities are cheering us on, telling
us to get closer to industry, encouraging us to consult with big business.
The bottom line is to improve the corporate bottom line. It's the way we
move up, get strokes We can't help but be influenced from time to time
by our desire to see certain results happen in the lab."

Private industry contributes 10 percent of Texas AM's whopping $41
million annual agricultural research budget, and Benedict says he knew
Monsanto was contributing money to his research. "All of these companies
have a piece of me," Benedict says. "I'm getting checks waved at me from
Monsanto and American Cyanamid and Dow, and it's hard to balance the
public interest with the private interest. It's a very difficult juggling
act, and sometimes I don't know how to juggle it all."

Science for Sale?

Congress has helped pave the way for corporate biotech programs, passing a
series of laws in the 1980s that pushed 

[CTRL] OEN 11/22/99

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Chechnya vs. Russia


Chechens Dig In for a Long Fight


One country's "terrorists" are another country's "freedom fighters".

RUSSIA'S army moved closer to its first setpiece battle of the campaign in
Chechnya yesterday, tightening its grip on two major rebel strongholds,
Grozny and Urus Martan.

After luring the Russian military ever deeper into their territory without
putting up significant resistance, Chechen guerrillas were at last preparing
to make a stand in the two cities. Russian forces now have the Chechen
capital, Grozny, 80 per cent surrounded, and have intensified air strikes on
Urus Martan, the Defence Ministry in Moscow said. Apart from Grozny, Urus
Martan is the largest population centre on the Chechen plains still outside
Russian control. Its fall would allow Russian troops to advance towards the
capital from the south-west, completing its encirclement and setting the
scene for a siege or an all-out assault on the city.

Russian tactics in the seven-week offensive have been to avoid head-on
clashes with rebel forces, hitting enemy positions with long-range artillery,
ground-to-ground missiles and air power. Russia denies attacking civilian
targets, but the testimony of countless refugees suggests that the real
victims of the bombardments have been ordinary Chechens. The Russian plan has
involved armoured columns speeding into the interior, leaving behind villages
which are later searched house-to-house by Interior Ministry troops in so
called cleansing operations.

The approach has allowed the Russian military to seize control of most of the
lowlands and to boast of capturing the cities of Gudermes and Achkhoi Martan
"without a shot being fired". According to Moscow, people in both cities
forced guerrillas to leave, a claim consistent with Russia's argument that it
is "liberating" the Chechen people from a criminal regime. But it is unclear
how many rebels were based in the places that have fallen so far, the
suspicion being that they simply withdrew to fight in surroundings less
favourable to Russian tanks.

Chechen forces, now thought to include well-trained army units as well as
guerrillas, have been fortifying Grozny for weeks by digging trenches, laying
mines and building tank traps. Reports from Urus Martan suggested that
hundreds of fighters have also been preparing a hostile reception for the
Russian army there. Before the war, Urus Martan was a centre of resistance to
Aslan Maskhadov, the moderate Chechen president, and a stronghold of Islamic
fundamentalists.

In the face of fierce Western criticism, Moscow has justified its offensive
as a campaign to eliminate "terrorists and bandits" of the kind who have
ruled Urus Martan for years. Residents of Urus Martan who have fled to the
neighbouring republic of Ingushetia complained last week that none of the
Wahabis, as the extremists are known, had suffered in the heavy bombardment
of the city.
The London Telegraph, November 22, 1999


European Socialism


Beware "Chemically Pure Capitalism"


Oh, the horror!

FLORENCE - America, the practical, and Europe, the rather more theoretical,
looked at the future and how to govern it on Sunday, and came out with
characteristic answers for the management of economies and nations that seem
less and less responsive to ideology.
''Get more cell phones and computers into the hands of smart people in the
Third World,'' said President Bill Clinton.

Have the rich countries give 200 million to 300 million microloans a year to
the world's poor. Support debt relief, fight child labor, continue to reform
international financial institutions, but do nothing to block the daily flow
of the trillions of dollars needed to keep the global economy turning, he
went on.

It was New World pragmatism, a list kicked off with the the directness of a
municipal council's millennium resolutions of Five Ways to Improve Our Town,
and it contrasted clearly with the other end of the European spectrum present
for a seminar here on ''Progressive Governance for the XXI Century'' that
brought together six major political leaders of the trans-Atlantic
center-left.

At the opposite outskirts was the voice of Prime Minister Lionel Jospin of
France, who dealt with the common theme of how countries could combine
rapidly changing economies and social justice. He suggested a much less
reflexive acceptance of capitalism than Mr. Clinton and advocated no
hesitation in limiting its excesses.

''We've got to watch for what I call a chemically pure capitalism that would
put the market's brand on every fear of society'' and challenge democracy,
Mr. Jospin said.

''I don't want to go into the 21st century with 19th-century liberalism,'' he
said. That meant new values, talking of rules, regulations and institutions
to make sure that the world was not going to be directed by what Mr. Jospin
called 

[CTRL] The Digital Monetary Trust, Part 2, by J. Orlin…

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

Click Here: A HREF="http://zolatimes.com/V3.45/dmt2.htm"The Digital
Monetary Trust, Part 2, by J. Orlin…/A
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The Digital Monetary Trust


Part 2: The Anonymous Account System



by J. Orlin Grabbe

This article describes the DMT's anonymous account system. There are four
parts to the explanation. The first part is a simple description of the set
of activities that are involved in various DMT transactions— such as placing
assets into DMT, transferring value between accounts, and removing money from
the system. The second part is a precise mathematical description of the
protocols followed in effecting these transactions. The third part is a
detailed numerical example illustrating one of these protocols. The final
part is a concluding discussion of the merits and limitations of the system.
The anonymous account system is essentially a set of protocols--a set of
procedures which maintain anonymity and security--and that is what is
described here. Those who have difficulty following the mathematics (in the
sections labeled "Part 2", below) may want to skip forward to the numerical
example, before looking at the math behind the system. (For an introduction
to the mathematics involved, see the author's "Cryptography and Number Theory
for Digital Cash".)
We began at the point a customer has downloaded a copy of the User Module and
installed it on his machine. The module--written in Java--will operate
cross-platform: in a Microsoft Windows, Macintosh, or Linux environment. The
module may be downloaded free of charge by the potential customer, since DMT
does not want to create barriers to entry into its banking system

Part 1: Preliminary Considerations

The design criterion followed here is KISS: keep it simple, stupid. Software
systems go awry because it becomes increasingly easy to make implementation
mistakes the more complicated the underlying system. There should be nothing
present in the underlying system not necessary to accomplish its goals. And
the principal goals--anonymity and security--should be kept clearly in mind
at all times.
A survey of digital cash systems planned or being implemented in the real
world shows that there is misplaced emphasis in preserving the anonymity of
the spending of individual coins ($100 coins, say). But there is no attention
whatsoever paid to the anonymity of the account from which they are
withdrawn, or to which they are deposited. In short, all existing systems
that we have surveyed miss the point, if the point is defined as the creation
of a system that allows the anonymous holdings of assets.
In order to understand the anonymous account system, it is helpful to
approach the system synthetically. First, we look at the minimal numerical
information that must be present in order for the DMT to carry out its
essential activities. Next, we outline the specific actions where those
numbers are used. Then, in the sections following, we fill in some
mathematical details, and point out how this system meets the necessary
privacy requirements.

Part 1: Minimal Numerical Information Requirements

1. For a customer deposit into the DMT system, there must be present

*   a deposit amount, this amount having been transferred to an overt
account;
*   an identification number associated with this deposit.

2. For the DMT customer data base (each currency kept separately), there must
be stored

*   the currency amount
*   an account number.

3. For enacting a transfer within the DMT system, there must be revealed

*   the amount of transfer
*   an account number from whence the transfer comes
*   an identification number for the receiving party to collect the transfer.

4. For withdrawal out of the DMT system, there must be revealed

*   the amount of the withdrawal
*   the number of the account the withdrawal comes from
*   a claim number for receiving the withdrawal at an overt account.

Considerable thought indicates that the system cannot be reduced smaller than
this. However, the numbers mentioned here do not themselves constitute a
system. Rather, they acquire significance once we explain their use in a
specific context , and show the procedure for their generation and transfer.

Part 1: Activities Associated with the Minimal Numerical Information

The next step is to outline the activities associated which these various
numbers. Here we supply a bare minimum of detail, because the listed actions
are capable of being implemented in a variety of different ways. Only
afterward, in the following sections, do we specify precisely how we propose
to enact the protocols.
1. To initiate a customer deposit into the DMT system

*   a customer's software generates a deposit identification number;
*   the customer (or someone making payments to a customer) transfers
currency to an overt account;
*   upon notification by the account trustee, the DMT transfers this
information to a pending deposit data base;
*   the customer (or someone on the customer's behalf) contacts 

[CTRL] Mosaic 2000: Weeding Out the Troublemakers

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.45/mosaic_2000.html"Mosaic
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Mosaic 2000: Weeding Out the Troublemakers



by Don Lobo Tiggre

The BATF (Burn All Toddlers First), the same loving experts on children who
pumped lethal concentrations of a flammable, toxic nerve gas into a church
full of kids, parents, and grandparents in order to 'save' them, has come up
with a new way to help save America's children. Co-developed with Gavin de
Becker Inc., a "safety and privacy" consulting firm based in Studio City, CA,
the new weapon in the War on Violence is a computerized profiling tool called
Mosaic-2000. Not surprisingly, the survey asks a lot of gun-related
questions; everybody knows that all youngsters with access to guns are
budding mass murderers, right? Even though this story has received some
coverage in the New York Times, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and the Drudge
Report, that's been about it. Some libertarian commentators smell a big rat
and are convinced that the story is being suppressed. "This isn't about youth
gangs or known violent kids," posted one participant on an e-mail discussion
list. "It's a scheme to detect the nonconformists and stigmatize them early
on. This will lead to brainwashing, drugging, social ostracism (nobody will
want to associate with a potential criminal), juvenile jail, adult jail."

The War on Violence

This may or may not be so, but it's hardly necessary for it to be true in
order to justify concern among those who wish to check America's steadily
accelerating slide toward totalitarianism. Let's also set aside, for the
moment, the rather delicious Orwellian contradiction involved in the notion
of a War on Violence (a systematized mass-scale application of violence to
end violence?). The notion of identifying 'troubled' students with an
'elevated risk of violence' is just as scary. It may sound like a good idea,
to some, at first blush, but Mosaic-2000 rates students from 1 to 10 on a
series of behavioral questions. This is a substantial step back from looking
at and responding to actual behaviors (e.g., beating other kids up,
threatening the teacher, destroying property, etc.) and responding to them
appropriately. By definition, this so-called focus on 'prevention' means that
it's the larger group of kids who haven't done anything who will be screened.
A lucky few will get picked for special treatment, due to their
scientifically determined 'elevated risk of violence.' Hey, the survey uses
computers, so it has to be scientific!

How scientific is it?

Well, the survey questions were crafted from 'case histories' by 200
'experts' in 'behavioral science', education, and law enforcement. Note that
the survey doesn't pretend to incorporate statistically robust findings that
have been found in sound study after sound study. It's based on case studies
(discrete instances that are often unusual: that's why they're case studies)
and 'experts'. Suddenly, outfits like the FBI (Federal Baby Incinerators),
the same 'behavioral science' geniuses who pushed a man they knew to be an
apocalyptic religious zealot into a violent confrontation and claimed to be
surprised when people started dying, are experts qualified to help identify
troubled youths and prevent violence. Let's also not forget that 'education
experts' are the very people who have led the nation into an ever-deepening
quagmire of sinking standards and poor results in public education. And
'behavioral science' is such a broad term, one wonders how many of the
'experts' in that area had any experience dealing with violent children, or
even children at all.

Gavin de Becker Vice President Bob Martin defends Mosaic-2000, saying that it
doesn't profile students but "evaluates a system and the context it is
occurring in." Yeah, right. So, when a kid gets red-flagged as potential
trouble, will the system and the context will be sent to the counselor, too?
And what will be done with these 'evaluations'? Law enforcement being what it
is in America today, it is most likely the same thing that gets done with
so-called drug trafficker profiles: harass enough people, innocent and guilty
alike, to eventually catch a criminal and get brownie points for the agency
responsible. Martin also says that other versions of Mosaic are already in
use screening threats to Supreme Court justices, members of Congress, and
federal judges and prosecutors. Somehow, this is not reassuring.

Video Cameras in Restrooms

Mosaic-2000 will be tested in 25 schools (mostly high schools) in California,
Ohio, and Oregon, beginning this December. According to Matt Gaylor, a
libertarian activist and news gatherer in central Ohio, Reynoldsburg High
School, of Reynoldsburg, Ohio, is one of the schools testing the Mosaic-2000
"privacy outrage." He also reports that, "Reynoldsburg High School recently
let the 

[CTRL] [3] Politics in America

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.45/politics_amer3.htm"Politi
cs in America, Part 3, by Robert L. Kocher/A
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Politics in America


Part 3: The Hung-up Generations Continued



by Robert L. Kocher


Deficient Development of Self-Types:
The Show Business Personality

Old-timers in show business used to talk about entertainers who were born in
a trunk. It meant a person had parents in show business, usually vaudeville,
and was raised around the show business atmosphere. They were often
professional entertainers by the age of five or ten.

Since the mid-60s we have seen nearly entire generations of young adults who
were born into and raised in show business. Thanks to five hours a day of TV
and movies, these generations lived with show business--psychologically
surrounded by the comedians, the plays, the stage personalities, the
extravaganzas to which previous generations had only occasional access. The
generational graduates of this environment are entertaining. They can act out
a set of lines or a part on cue. They can act and charm their way out of
responsibility. Many of them feel their acting and entertainment value should
be accepted sufficient for qualification as adults. There is considerable
social support for this view in a society that brings major focus and
importance upon entertainment figures who are demonstrably incompetent beyond
being able to look pretty, sing, or recite lines.

The situation is reminiscent of a conversation I had in 1978. While working
on the deck of a boat I looked up and saw an old man watching me and we began
to talk. In his late eighties, he still had a sound, perceptive and youthful
mind. Eventually he began to talk about his grandson who was in his early
twenties, saying, "My grandson's a handsome boy and he has personality plus."
Then, with a pained expression on his face he said, "But, there's no
substance to the boy. He's all personality without substance."

Actors Without Substance

That old man articulated what has been a characteristic of a large proportion
of recent generations. They are attractive and engaging. They have
meticulously-honed images. Their act is as believable as that of actors Jason
Robards or E. G. Marshall when they portray presidents or distinguished
attorneys on TV or in movies. They have good memories for lines. They look
good. They sound good. They smell good because they use the perfume and
colognes on TV commercials which you sprinkle on and each one "brings out the
real you." And they act good. Many of them have acted their way through law
school, through graduate school, through university departments, or through
corporation executiveships. Their show business personalities have served
them well.

But, beneath the surface there is a lack of substance, and often worse. While
they look good and they are affable, like a number of people in the acting
profession they have difficulty living a day-to-day life. They have no
identity other than their act. They are dependent upon their act as their
only way of existing and dealing with the world. It's an imitation of what is
supposed to be a real person dealing with reality. They don't know what
reality is. Beneath the cover-up, a number of them are highly pathological
and destructive. Many of the benign among them are like eight-year-old
mentalities who have graduated from charm school.

One facet of the phenomenon is illustrated by several recent TV science
fiction programs. In these particular programs the actors were required to
act out long conversations between beings from alien galaxies in alien
languages. The actors had memorized the lines and recited the conversations
perfectly. Temsop hnbjcoiu pszhjwds smorgeewidge. Mtyfguyng gqxxfmfp zoeih
stporiu! Qtoifa xdihubwe niuap xewwyt. The actors couldn't know what they
were saying because in the English language there is no meaning to the sounds
they were making. However, they were able to memorize those lines almost
instantly and repeat them accurately on command in front of the camera.
In the same way this country has an extensive population of people who are
able to breeze through advanced degrees and certifications by the same
process without understanding or being able to think or being able to
function appropriately. The college Economics 101 final exam is Act One,
Scene Three, and is delivered flawlessly. After obtaining a doctorate they
don't understand what the lines meant and no feeling for, or competence in,
their profession. Many of them then spend the remainder of their lives
desperately hiding in the safety of a tenured, artificial, degree-based
bureaucratic status system. The country is clogged up with them.

The show business personality is often plagued by a secondary effect of
superficiality--insecurity. Underneath the act, these are people who lack
realistic productive skill and ability. They put on a good show, but beneath
it they are way over their head in anything serious they 

[CTRL] Call to Soviet Embassy not from real 'Lee Harvey Oswald'

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/22/jfk.assassination.ap/index.html
Click Here: A
HREF="http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/22/jfk.assassination.ap/index.html"CNN -
Call to Soviet Embassy not from real 'Lee…/A
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I dunna know, can you believe that?;-)
Om
K





Call to Soviet Embassy not from real 'Lee Oswald'

Lee Harvey Oswald speaks to reporters in Dallas following his arrest in
November 1963
November 22, 1999
Web posted at: 11:15 a.m. EST (1615 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Hours after President Kennedy was assassinated, FBI agents
reportedly listened to a tape of a phone call that a man identifying himself
as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City.

They made a startling discovery: The voice on the tape was not Oswald's,
government records say.

This controversial tape has been a question mark in the assassination
investigation since Kennedy was killed. The assassination occurred 36 years
ago Monday and only now have new details about the tape come to light.

The CIA said years ago that the tapes on which it recorded the call were
erased. Documents released in recent years said otherwise. The latest and
newest of declassified documents offer more evidence that the tapes survived.

  ALSOExcerpts from declassified documents from the investigation

 MESSAGE BO
The discovery that the voice on the tape was someone other than Oswald was a
"disquieting discovery because the man who impersonated Oswald was still at
large," said John Newman, an ex-military intelligence analyst, author and
professor at the University of Maryland.

Oswald was in Mexico City in September and October 1963. During his one-week
stay, he contacted the Soviet Embassy and the Cuban consulate, inquiring
about visas needed to go to the Soviet Union via Cuba.
It is widely known that the CIA bugged telephones and took surveillance
photos at both the embassy and consulate. But the agency maintained that it
had routinely erased and reused tapes of the phone intercepts. A message from
the CIA's Mexico City station to headquarters on November 24, 1963, said: "HQ
has full transcripts all pertinent calls. Regret complete recheck shows tapes
for this period already erased."

It was also known that while he was in Mexico City, Oswald had contact with
Valeriy Kostikov -- a man that one CIA memo described as a "case officer in
an operation which is evidently sponsored by the KGB's 13th Department
responsible for sabotage and assassination." It was the caller who is thought
to have impersonated Oswald who links him to this Soviet spy unit known as
Department 13.

Newly declassified documents -- some released in the past six months -- say
that after the president was shot, a Navy plane carried a top-secret package
from Mexico City to Dallas and landed there about 4 a.m. EST the day after
the murder.

Former FBI Agent Eldon Rudd, later a Republican congressman from Arizona, was
aboard the plane.
"There were no tapes to my knowledge," Rudd said in a telephone interview. "I
brought the pictures up (from Mexico) and it was my understanding that it was
just pictures."

Documents contradict Rudd's understanding. A newly released memo dated
November 27, 1963, from FBI headquarters to its office in Mexico City,
stated:

"If tapes covering any contacts subject (Oswald) with Soviet or Cuban
embassies available, forward to bureau for laboratory examination and
analysis together with transcript. Include tapes previously reviewed Dallas
if they were returned to you."

And a transcript of a telephone call FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover made to
President Johnson just six hours after the plane arrived in Dallas supports
the belief that FBI agents listened to a tape that suggested an
impersonation.

"We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet
embassy using Oswald's name," Hoover told Johnson, according to a transcript
of that call released in 1993. "That picture and the tape do not correspond
to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that
there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."

While they would not speculate about the identity of the caller, several
assassination researchers privately offered some explanations: Oswald could
have been impersonated by a CIA officer who called the Soviet Embassy simply
to fish for details about what Oswald was doing in Mexico City. Or, maybe
someone was trying to link Oswald to the KGB's assassination unit before
Kennedy's murder.

Whatever the answer, there was plenty of reason for worry in Washington about
any evidence pointing to Soviets or Cubans as somehow involved in the
assassination. Relations with the former Soviet Union were icy. Both sides
were armed with nuclear weapons. The Cuban missile crisis was still very much
on America's mind.

"The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not
have confederates 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-11-22 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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 From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 # 'Y2K: THE MOVIE' - NEW YEAR MEETS MURPHY'S LAW. The premise behind
NBC's
   Sunday-night special, "Y2K: The Movie," is simple: If everything can go
   wrong, it will. Murphy's Law is the star of this show, a fictional
account
   of coming Y2K havoc that includes food and cash shortages, power
outages,
   a plane falling out of the sky, even a prison riot. Never mind all
those
   pronouncements from govt and the private sector that widespread mishaps
   are unlikely. The movie devises as many as it can. "Paranoia is our
most
   important product" - see http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9911/18/nbc.y2k.ap/

Having watched this movie last night I don't see what all the uproar was
about.  This flick was too boring for words and in MHO had a zero
fear-factor.  Ken Orlin as the mighty hero limped and whined his way
through a tedious and predicable plot.  The only thing believable about
this movie was the be-glittered teenage daughter who had a penchant for
sneaking out at night, playing one parent against the other, and basically
doing a GREAT job of expressing adolescence in that annoying way that teens
are apt to do.  My overall rating for this movie:  One Big Yawn.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #1

1999-11-22 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991122a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No intelligent Earth life was found during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ BLOOD, the film: http://www.eggthings.com/blood/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Walking robot may make its wearer incredibly powerful. She _Is_ Rambo:
  INFLUENCED by the robotic "exoskeleton" worn by Sigourney Weaver in the
  1986 movie Aliens, engineers in Australia are building a two-legged
  industrial robot that will be able go places and do things no forklift
  truck ever could. http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991120/newsstory2.html

: D'ya want an exoskeleton? D'ya want personal power? Will you need lubing?

# Robotic space outposts predicted. PASADENA, CA (AP) In a lecture sounding
  more like SciFi than science, a NASA/JPL wonk said the next era of space
  exploration will involve missions that last for years rather than weeks
  and will eventually pave the way for manned probes to the planets. Rovers
  will colonize Mars, constructing robotic outposts  probing every nook 
  cranny: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562186447-69c

: D'ya wanna be a robot so you can explore Mars? Do robots have all the fun?

@ Robohoo! http://www.robohoo.com/
@ Robotics Sites: http://www-robotics.cs.umass.edu/cgi-bin/robotics/
@ Plant Automation: http://www2.plantautomation.com/content/homepage/
$ RobotBooks.Com: http://www.robotbooks.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ A MILITARY LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE. We need to acknowledge a few things as
  facts  assume a couple others. 1. Our universe is vast; yes, there are
  other life forms in it. 2. Our planet is not completely explored from the
  bottom of the seas to every part of all landmasses. Due to this, there are
  many life forms to be discovered. 3. Unknown air/space/ocean craft appear
  in our skies and the water ways. These are unknown to the majority of the
  people of earth. 4. The US Military has been  continues to work on newer
  faster, more efficient  deadly air/space/ocean craft. 5. Other countries
  in the world continue also to advance their knowledge of  production of
  advanced air/space/ocean craft. 6. Yes, air/space/ocean craft have been
  recovered and are in the hands of govts or secret agencies worldwide. 7.
  Yes, backward technology is in use and has been for some time. 8. Yes,
  some on earth has had  continues to have contact with other intelligent
  life forms not of our planet. http://www.caus.org/mc112099.htm

: Is there intelligent life on/in/under/above Earth? Are you an intelligent
lifeform, not of this Earth? Why did you come here? What are your goals? Do
you want to have sex? Is the US military your plaything? Do we disgust you?

# A "Not So Major Event": http://www.caus.org/mc112299.htm
# Hovering Green Fireballs: http://www.caus.org/mu112299.htm
# Confirmation - Alien Contact: http://www.caus.org/pc112299.htm
# 5 Discs  Physical Traces in 1971: http://www.caus.org/mu112099.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Volcanic Flashback on Io. (NASA) With another Io flyby less than a week
  off, JPL releases new data showing towering mountains, sizzling hot spots,
   enormous lava lakes on Jupiter's fiery moon. And some fools say there's
  no Hell: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast19nov99_1.htm
  And: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_529000/529511.stm

@ LINKS - Nasa Io Flyby: http://www.ioflyby.com/
@ Project Galileo: http://galileo.jpl.nasa.gov/

# New NASA probe to 'listen' to Mars. PASADENA, CA (AP) - A NASA spacecraft
  set to land on Mars next month will attempt for the first time to capture
  the sounds of the Red Planet - using a $15 microphone connected to a chip
  commonly found in talking toys  phones. Unlike other instruments on the
  $165 million Mars Polar Lander, the Mars Microphone is privately funded 
  has no clearly defined scientific mission. Its purpose is simply to catch
  the planet's noises, be they the whoosh of a dust devil, the crackle of
  lightning or the whir of sand blowing through the thin atmosphere. Dead
  silence is another possibility. Or the sound of alien tummies rumbling:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562187351-eb0
# Also: Are there any sounds on Mars? Will they be on the next .MP3?
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562192134-1ce

: Are you more interested in Martian sounds, Ionian vulcanism, the voices in
your head telling you to KILL KILL!!! or the sex-life of the spotted owl??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

AeroSpace News:

@ SpaceDaily: http://www.spacedaily.com/
@ NASA Human Spaceflight: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/
@ Aviation Week Online: http://www.awgnet.com/
@ Leading Edge: http://www.aerospacenews.com/pcast/daily.htm
@ Space Online: 

[CTRL] Fwd: 'ERROR' In EgyptAir Cockpit Translation, Say Feds!!

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan





11.22.99
'ERROR' In EgyptAir Cockpit Translation, Say Feds!!


Incredibly... a mainstream media article in which a smidgen or two of
truth can be glimpsed through the cracks.

Remember what momma used to say: "if you tell too many lies you just end
up getting caught in them."

Speaking of which--WHERE ARE THE 217 BODIES


NewsHawk® Inc.
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US Concedes
'Error' In EgyptAir
Pilot Translation!
By Tim Dobbyn
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991120/ts/crash_egyptair_156.html 11-20-99


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some of the words originally attributed to a
crewman of EgyptAir Flight 990, which bolstered a U.S. theory that the
plane was deliberately crashed, were in fact never spoken, a government
official said on Friday.

The embarrassing admission strengthens Egyptian opinion that U.S. media
and officials are rushing to judgement on the cause of the crash and
will further delay any decision to transfer leadership of the accident
probe to the FBI as a criminal matter.

Closer review of the tape showed that the first sentence of a widely
published quote from the cockpit voice recorder was in fact not uttered,
the U.S. official said.

``I made my decision now. I put my faith in God's hands,'' was the
incorrect translation from Arabic reported by Reuters and many other
news organizations from sources.

But the official said there was only a reference to faith in God prior
to the autopilot being disconnected and the plane beginning an unusually
steep but controlled plunge toward the ocean.

The Boeing 767 aircraft crashed on Oct. 31 into the sea off
Massachusetts less than an hour after taking off from New York for
Cairo, killing all 217 people on board.

EgyptAir said Friday it had begun offering cash advances in cases of
financial hardship to the families of those who died.

National Transportation Safety Safety Board Chairman Jim Hall on Friday
said the accident might have been the result of a deliberate act but he
scolded the media and government officials for fueling irresponsible speculation.

``Over the last few days we have seen a virtual cyclone of speculation
about the course of this investigation,'' Hall told a news conference.

``We have not released specific information from the cockpit voice
recorder,'' Hall said of the NTSB. ``I find it difficult to believe that
responsible public servants would engage in this type of conduct.''

Hall, questioned by reporters, said he did not back away from safety
board statements on the crash, including when he said Tuesday: ``We have
so far found no sign of a mechanical or weather related event that could
have caused this accident.''

The NTSB has said the engines were turned off during the dive. There are
also indications on the flight data recorder that the captain and the
co-pilot were in a contest over the controls, with the captain wanting
to pull the nose up and the person in the co-pilot's seat commanding the
nose to go down.

It was Hall who raised the possibility that EgyptAir 990 might have
crashed due to a criminal act, when he told reporters Monday the safety
board might yield leadership of the probe.

But it was not until the briefing Friday that Hall said he had met with
FBI Director Louis Freeh ``to inform him this accident might be the
result of a deliberate act.''

In the intervening days, news outlets, including Reuters, obtained
information from sources about information on the cockpit voice recorder
that officials said backed theories of a suicide plunge.

The U.S. official described the translation error as an ''innocent
mistake'' but was unsure how it had happened. The official said it may
have been the difference between an early interpretation of Arabic on
the tape and a later listening.

U.S. Rep. Jack Metcalf, a Republican from Washington state, said he
would switch to EgyptAir for a Nov. 30 flight from New York to Cairo for
meetings with Egyptian officials as a protest at the ``premature and
irresponsible speculation.''

``There are family members who are needlessly being anguished by these
stories that are being splashed across newspaper headlines,'' said
Metcalf, who sits on the House of Representatives Aviation Subcommittee
and in whose district Boeing 777, 747, and 767 planes are built.

U.S. theories that the crash may have been deliberate have sparked anger
in Egypt.

After a day of diplomatic meetings and phone calls Tuesday, Washington
agreed with Cairo to delay letting the FBI control the probe until
additional Egyptian experts examine the evidence.

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11.20.99
NTSB's Hall Re: 990 - Things Said So Far Were Lies!
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© 1999 NewsHawk® Inc.

On Friday, Nov.19, NTSB head honcho Jim Hall said publicly that
everything that's been claimed thus far by government officials about
what's been heard on Fl. 990's cockpit voice recorder--as reported in
the mainstream press--has been "LIES"!

Eh? LIES?? Well, isn't THAT a shocker (NOT)!

And who's responsible for these "lies", we'd 

[CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.jj-johnson.com/"JJ-Johnson.com/A
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Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
copier techs out there?
Om
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Are Copiers used to Track us?

News and Editorial  By J.J. Johnson
November 20, 1999

It started off innocent enough. Due an identification problem with my local
phone company, I went out to get color copies of both my driver’s license and
my social security card. The day was Saturday, November 20, 1999. I went to
the local Kinko’s Copies.

It was a simple request. The supervisor took my ID and made a black and white
copy, then handed to me.

“Excuse me,” I said. “I asked for color copies.”

He responded that he could not do that. “It’s illegal,” he replied.

I asked him to explain his statement and he told me it had to do with people
who might engage in counterfeiting. He was not accusing me, since it was
obvious the photo on the Nevada driver’s license matched my face. I offered a
compromise.

“What if you just copied them and ran a red line through them so they could
not be copied again?”
His response is what makes this story so hot…

“…Sir, all these machines place invisible codes on the copies. If the Secret
Service tracked this back to this store and me, I would be in big trouble…”

If the last statement raises your eyebrows, you are not alone. It also caught
the attention of at least seven other people at Kinko’s that morning that
were copying their own documents. In fact, for about 4 to 5 seconds, all
activity at this Kinko’s stopped.

Meaning this was not widely known information.

“Secret Service??” I asked. The customers also waited for an answer.

The Kinko’s supervisor repeated the same statement again. In shock, I walked
away and paid for my copies. But there’s more:

After paying, I was compelled to return to this person and thank him for this
information. But I wanted to talk to him alone, and press for more
information. I found him with another customer converting computer documents
from IBM to Mac format. When I approached, it was as if he already knew what
I was thinking. I thanked him, and he replied,

“It’s not just Kinko’s. The same thing will happen everywhere. All the
machines are like that. I personally know that Xerox had to sign a contract
with the government in order to be allowed to sell them.”

“Wow. Big Brother, eh?” I asked trying to lead him.

“Sure is. Sucks, don’t it? Sorry man.”

End of conversation

He knew I was thinking of just going somewhere else and getting the color
copies made. But according to this person (whose name or store location I
will not reveal since he was so forthright with this information,) all color
copies in the U.S. have these identifiers.
Sounds Microsoft-ish, doesn’t it?

Let’s clear this up: This person is a daytime supervisor for a Kinko’s
Copies. And like most other Kinko’s, they use Xerox machines. If there is a
problem, this is the man who calls Xerox. So, he should know what he’s
talking about. He gave me no reason to believe he was lying.

Is this story true? Maybe this is old news and I just got off the boat. But
it sure did get the attention of other people in the copy area. True or not,
the information I learned (and now, you know) is fresh meat for any internet
“news-hounds” sniffing for a story.

BTW: You folks in the state-endorsed media (loyal guardians of Big Brother)
use the same copiers in your offices. Get digging.

From what the Kinko’s supervisor told me (if true), we can conclude the
following based on past experience:

1) The Secret Service are probably not the only agency that can get their
hands on these “identifiers.” 2) This is not limited only to Xerox copiers.
3) This is probably not limited to copiers at all. Canon, HP, Brother and
other types of printers? Who knows?

A few FOIA’s ought to get more facts on this. Notably, after years of Xerox
and IBM being “Microsoft-ed” by the federal government, what agreements might
have been made?

More on this as it develops.

Stay tuned…

J.J. Johnson

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[CTRL] PROJECT MEGIDDO

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.jj-johnson.com/

The attached analysis, entitled PROJECT MEGIDDO, is an FBI strategic assessmen
t of the potential for domestic terrorism in the United States undertaken in
anticipation of or response to the arrival of the new millennium.




PROJECT MEGIDDO


Table of Contents:

I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
II. INTRODUCTION
When Does the New Millennium Begin?
Blueprint for Action: The Turner Diaries
Interpretations of The Bible
Apocalyptic Religious Beliefs
The New World Order Conspiracy Theory and the
Year 2000 Computer Bug
Gun Control Laws

III. CHRISTIAN IDENTITY
IV. WHITE SUPREMACY
V. MILITIAS
VI. BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES
VII. APOCALYPTIC CULTS
VIII. THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JERUSALEM
IX. CONCLUSION

For over four thousand years, MEGIDDO, a hill in northern Israel, has been
the site of many battles. Ancient cities were established there to serve as a
fortress on the plain of Jezreel to guard a mountain pass. As Megiddo was
built and rebuilt, one city upon the other, a mound or hill was formed. The
Hebrew word "Armageddon" means "hill of Megiddo." In English, the word has
come to represent battle itself. The last book in the New Testament of the
Bible designates Armageddon as the assembly point in the apocalyptic setting
of God's final and conclusive battle against evil. The name "Megiddo" is an
apt title for a project that analyzes those who believe the year 2000 will
usher in the end of the world and who are willing to perpetrate acts of
violence to bring that end about.


Source: http://www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/publicmegiddo.pdf
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Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

1999-11-22 Thread Kelly

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Kris Millegan wrote:

 Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
 copier techs out there?

Isn't it part of the mandate of the Secret Service to investiagte
counterfiting?  I remember when the colour copiers came out there were
problems with people photocopying money.  So perhaps this "invisible
code" is a means of tracking down criminals if they attempt to pass off
'funny money'?

Kelly

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[CTRL] NATO leaders Prosecuted ?

1999-11-22 Thread earthman

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Foreign Affairs News
Source: S.U.C.
Published: Nov 19. 1999.
Posted on 11/20/1999 15:56:52 PST by Mel70Lawyers meet with chief Prosecutor
over NATO war, Nov 19
CRIMES Canadian lawyers met in The Hague today with war crimes Prosecutor
Carla Del Ponte to urge her to act quickly against NATO leaders for war
crimes commited against the population of Yugoslavia in the bombing
campaign. Lawyer David Jacobs and law professor Michael Mandel met for 1 1/2
hours this morning with Judge Del Ponte and two of her top legal advisors.
The lawyers delivered three thick volumes of evidence substantiating their
charges that 67 NATO leaders (including Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright,
Tony Blair, Jean Chretien, Javier Solana, Jamie Shea and others) were guilty
of war crimes and crimes of humanity in causing the deaths and maiming of
thousands of civilians and billions of dollars of property damage, among
other things.

The lawyers told Judge Del Ponte that there was no excuse for the Tribunal
to wait any longer, that the failure to act was a violation of her duties
under the law and was raising strong suspicions that the Tribunal was biased
in favour of NATO. The lawyers were critical of the Tribunal for having
rushed to indict Yugoslav President Milosevic during the illegal NATO
bombardment and not the NATO leaders.

"We want to change the status of the NATO leaders from unindicted war
criminals to indicted war criminals" said Mandel.

For immediate contact: The Hague - Hotel Novotel - 31 70 3 648 846 - Suites
107 and 114 For further information please contact: Professor Michael
Mandel - (416)736-5039 (Toronto, Canada) David Jacobs - (416)539-0226 ext
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[CTRL] Australia's Port Arthur Massacre

1999-11-22 Thread earthman

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Australia's Port Arthur Massacre
The proof you have been waiting for...


On Sunday April 28th, 1996, at the tourist site of Port Arthur in
Tasmania, 35 people were killed and more wounded by a rampaging gunman,
in what has become known as the Port Arthur massacre.

Joe Vialls, the author of this report, is an independent investigator
with thirty years direct experience of international military and
oilfield operations. The full detail of Joe's report is included on
these pages, but to start with here is a precis of his findings:

Was the massacre in Port Arthur a completely spontaneous act carried out
by a single nutcase with unbelievable efficiency?

Or was it deliberately designed to distort public perception and direct
maximum hatred against a particular group of people?


All of the available hard evidence suggests that it was.

Martin Bryant, now in gaol (jail) having been officially convicted of
the shootings, could not under any circumstances have acted alone, and
may possibly not have acted at all, other than in an orchestrated
'patsy' role.

Martin Bryant, an intellectually impaired registered invalid with no
training in the use of high powered assault weapons, could not under any
circumstances have achieved or maintained the incredibly high and
consistent killed-to-injured ratio and kill-rate which were bench marks
of the Port Arthur massacre. Whoever was on the trigger that fateful day
demonstrated professional skills equal to some of the best special
forces shooters in the world. His critical error lay in killing too many
people too quickly while injuring far too few, thereby exposing himself
for what he was: a highly trained combat shooter probably ranked among
the top twenty such specialists in the western world.

There were no eyewitnesses who could positively identify Martin Bryant
at Port Arthur because an Australian newspaper circulated his photograph
nationwide, thereby totally corrupting any and all police line-ups,
photo boards, or controlled shopping mall parades. All the eyewitnesses
could legally claim seeing was a "tall man with long blonde hair", which
was no impediment to the media who tried and convicted Martin Bryant in
less than two days, in one of the most blatant and disgusting displays
of media abuse ever seen.

As an investigator I insist on dealing only with hard facts because it
is the only way to avoid being swept along by the avalanche of
misinformation put out by the media on a daily basis.

Hard scientific facts were deliberately excluded by the frenzied media
pack and not one attempt was made to establish the real identity of the
shooter. Long blonde hair did not prove that the shooter was Martin
Bryant, and the media somehow forgot to remind the Australian public
that long wigs are the most common form of basic disguise ever used.

American video evidence submitted to the Supreme Court has already been
scientifically proven a forgery.

Without a single shred of credible evidence, someone somewhere decided
that gun dealer Terry Hill would be the "fall guy" who provided
"murderer" Martin Bryant with the weapons he allegedly used at Port Arthur.

The Tasmanian Government and Police Service went to great lengths to
"fit up" gun dealer Terry Hill as the man who provided Martin Bryant
with the weapons alleged to have been used in the massacre. This
draconian activity culminated in a civil court case against Hill,
seemingly launched by survivor Quin for damages and breach of statutory
duty. Active in the case was Roland Brown, solicitor for the Legal Aid
Commission and Chairman of the Coalition for Gun Control. On 5th March
1998 the case against Terry Hill was suddenly discontinued.

Despite the fact that he has never been charged with any offence
relating to Port Arthur, the police refuse to restore his gun dealer
licence on the grounds that he, and his wife Dorothy, are not suitable
people to handle firearms. This is rubbish, easily proved by the fact
that shortly after the gun dealer licences were revoked, the Tasmanian
police renewed both of their personal firearms licences without question.

In the aftermath of the Port Arthur massacre, government went to great
lengths to ignore or suppress all evidence suggesting that the official
story of the day was unsubstantiated rubbish.


Are we to believe that a bunch of planners sat round a table and
arranged the premeditated murders of 35 Australians?

Unfortunately the answer is yes.

All of the hard evidence at Port Arthur bears the distinctive trademark
of a planned "psyop", meaning an operation designed to psychologically
manipulate the belief mechanisms of a group of people or a nation for
geopolitical or military reasons.

In the immediate aftermath of the Port Arthur massacre, politicians
developed collective verbal diarrhoea in the House of Representatives as
they joined the feeding frenzy designed to undermine Australian national
security by removing defensive weapons from the hands of the 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Saturday #1

1999-11-22 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Oh, but they squeal so delightfully!

* No neoconservative pundits were tortured to produce this
bulletin.

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[CTRL] [13] The Arizona Project

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc.
6700 Squibb Rd.
Misson Kansas 66202
276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print
New revised edition - available amazon.com
Paperback, 304pp.
ISBN: 0945165021
Blue Sky Press, Incorporated
June 1988
--[13]--
13
Office Politics and Some Loose Ends


John Winters walked into the morning staff meeting the Monday after the
Warren interview to find a gregarious Bob Greene almost boasting about the
land fraud godfather's first official meeting with reporters. It was a
dynamite interview, Greene was telling the troops, one that everyone should
read.

"Warren came in and bought a state and despite a trail of murder and
unbelievable heartache, he's still walking the streets. The memo spells it
all out. Read it."

Winters was puzzled. "What's he talking about?" he asked Rawlinson.

"Warren-he and Alex got a seven-hour interview with Warren the other night."

It hit Winters like a kick in the groin. "That son of a bitch. That was a
real chicken-shit thing he did to me." Winters turned and walked out of the
office.

Rawlinson then realized what Winters was so angry about. Since October 4, the
quiet, bearded reporter from the Republic had worked on scarcely anything
else but Ned Warren, Sr. For three months, Winters had pored over literally
thousands of pages of records, researched every one of the more than thirty
land companies Warren had been involved in, and talked to dozens of Warren
associates. He had spent days debriefing Dick Frost, perhaps the most
difficult, nonstop talker any reporter could ever come across. More than to
anyone on the team, Warren belonged to John Winters. The six-inch-thick files
on Warren had been prepared almost exclusively by him.

Yet Greene did not even choose to tell him that the interview was going down.
Winters could understand Drehsler's presence. Alex knew Warren from previous
stories, and Warren was comfortable talking to him. And Winters had no
quarrel with Greene's being there either. Warren was a key interview, one
which Greene, as team leader, would understandably want to be a part of. But,
if out of nothing more than courtesy, Winters should have been asked to go
along.

Until joining the team, John Winters had never worked land fraud.

He had never wanted to, either. His specialty at the Republic was the mob. It
was Winters to whom Don Bolles had turned over his organized crime files when
the slain reporter had left the investigative beat. Winters had explained
that to Greene in October, offering to make those files and his local
expertise available to the team. Instead, Greene had assigned him to work Ned
Warren, Sr., and land fraud, a task Winters had thrown himself into with
enthusiasm, because, he confided to Koziol after getting over the initial
rush of anger, "I really believe in what we're doing with this project."
Winters was not the only reporter upset by Greene's often arbitrary ways.

Dick Lyneis, the Riverside Press reporter from California, sarcastically
referred to the team effort as "The Greene Project." Lyneis was a member of
the board of directors for IRE. As such, he was instrumental in the formation
of the project in the first place. Even before the reporting began, he had
journeyed to Phoenix to help arrange hotel accommodations and the dozens of
minor details needed to set up an operating office. And now, working as a
reporter on the team, Lyneis had some doubts.

"It's not that I don't think we've got some damn good stuff," he groused one
night in Koziol's room over a drink. "It's Greene. Sometimes he scares. the
shit out of me. I think he's making decisions and doing things that we all
ought to be consulted about."

"What do you mean?"

"I think he's trying to engineer reaction to the stories."

Over the past several weeks, several reporters, including Lyneis, had noticed
strangers in the IRE office late at night. The strangers were all met by Bob
Greene, who then gave them entire files to read. Several of them had made
notes. George Weisz saw Greene give files to two Phoenix police officers.
Koziol noticed a couple of FBI agents come up one Thursday night and stay in
the IRE suite until past 2:00 A.M., poring over the reporters' files.
Wendland spotted two state, legislators over a two-night period in
mid-January reading the narcotics files. When he asked Greene about it,
Greene became extremely defensive. Greene's gruff explanation was that both
legislators had been carefully "screened and checked" and had been given the
files so that they could familiarize themselves with the extent of the
state's narcotics problem. When the IRE stories were written, the two would I
'push for special legislation and cite our reporting with praise." On another
occasion, when Lyneis tried to voice a complaint that some reporters and IRE
members had serious reservations about indiscriminately sharing the files
with law enforcement people, Greene 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #2

1999-11-22 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991122b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No neo-Nazis harmed me during production of this bulletin. Good thing...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Cult of Disney: http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/WhatIs.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# An Egyptian curse sank the Titanic? "When I first saw the story of the
  curse of the Egyptian Princess of Amen-Ra and why the Titanic really
  sunk, I thought that it was just a funny story and an obvious hoax. I
  have since put considerable time and research into this and have disc-
  overed that, far from a hoax, this is a story which describes actual
  historical events, which really happened." http://ishipress.com/cursed.htm

: Have you cursed any modes of transportation lately? Do you regularly curse
your transports? Do disasters ensue? Are you pleased with your work? Why??

@ The Planetary Activation Organization: http://www.paoweb.com/
$ The PAO Galactic Calendar: http://www.paoweb.com/galcalad.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Crash-a-Rama:

# Officials wary in discussing plane crash. Regardless of what cause is
  finally pinpointed, EgyptAir Flight 990 already has earned a place in
  aviation history with one of the most bizarre ends to a seemingly routine
  flight. http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,135006664,00.html

# U.S. crew in Egypt to probe jet crash participants backgrounds:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562187390-854
# Also: Co-pilot's family wants privacy - but that's impossible:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562160883-3f4
# And: DNA key to EgyptAir victims; US is tissue-sampling everyone:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562167957-8ff

# Were EgyptAir 990 Pilots Heroically Trying To Dodge Missiles?
  Can we ever know? http://www.sightings.com/politics5/missles.htm
# US Concedes 'Error' In EgyptAir Pilot Translation - We're Sorry:
  http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991120/ts/crash_egyptair_156.html
# Sensational New Book Says KAL 007 Successfully Ditched At Sea -
  Where are the passengers? http://devvy.com/kal007_19991120.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Thousands remember Franco. MADRID, Spain (AP) - Nearly 2,000 people, many
  sporting fascist/Nazi mementos, flocked to Madrid rallies festing the 24th
  anniversary of the death of late Spanish dictator Generalissimo Francisco
  Franco. Speakers praised Franco and Roman Catholic values. Elsewhere hund-
  reds, including many skinheads with fascist and Nazi badges emblazoned on
  their hats and scarfs, swarmed around Madrid's only remaining statue to
  Franco. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562184239-612

: Who's your favorite fascist dictator? Would you like to be a fascist dic-
tator? Were you a fascist dictator in a past life? Do you meditate on power
and pain? Have you gotten in touch with your Inner Nazi? Does it guide you?

# Cops hurt at neo-Nazi concert clash. COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) Eight police
  officers were injured by rock-throwing activists who were protesting a
  concert near Copenhagen attended by neo-Nazis from Germany and Scandinavia
  - see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562183524-876
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Freemasons to Reveal Secrets on the Net. LONDON (Reuters) A group of UK
  Masons, a secret society famed for its men-only membership and behind-the-
  scenes influence, will reveal the world of the secret handshake on the
  Internet. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991122/08/odd-britain-freemasons

# Pope honors newest saints. VATICAN CITY(AP) Leaning on his staff, Pope JP2
  looked weak  weary Sunday as he gave his church the century's last saints
  - 10 priests who died for their faith in Franco's Spain and two Italians.
  Including these 12, John Paul has named 296 saints since becoming pope in
  1978, or one-half of the 592 saints formally added to the Roman Catholic
  Church's roll of the holy in the last 500 years. Naming saints is *so*
  tiring: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562186833-828

: Are you more fearful of Freemasons or the Vatican? Should Masons honor
their top operatives as the Church does? Would that be good publicity, or
just another layer of disinformation? Is disinfo effective for conversions?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Heaven's Gate items sold. SAN DIEGO (AP) - Bidders snapped up TVs, books,
  bunkbeds  other household gear left behind by the Heaven's Gate cult when
  its 39 members committed the worst mass suicide on U.S. soil. The cult's
  most distinctive property, including artwork and patches with the Heaven's
  Gate logo, was turned over to surviving cultists in a legal settlement.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562171968-7ba
# Cult's Goods Auctioned Off - UFO 

[CTRL] And Don't Forget Your Gun

1999-11-22 Thread Bob Stokes

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And Don't Forget Your Gun
http://www.indegayforum.org/articles/rauch47.html



By Jonathan Rauch

First appeared in the National Journal, March 20, 1999; slightly revised.

As people who run an above-average risk of being attacked on the street, gays
should pay careful heed to the possible role of concealed firearms in
discouraging predation by criminals.  Societies where neither criminals nor
their prey are armed are fortunate; in present-day America, awash with guns,
the least bad policy may be to make sure many of the law-abiding have them
too.



Picture

MY FRIEND TOM is running, possibly for his life. It is a sweet summer evening
in San Jose, and he and a colleague have just left work and are walking
through a dicey neighborhood when they catch the eye of some young men, as
many as 20 of them, sitting around an old car in a driveway. "Hey, you
fucking faggots!'' one of the young men shouts. Tom and his colleague walk
past, quickly, but their persecutors rise like a flock of gulls and follow,
shouting taunts and threats: "When we're done with you, they'll find your
fucking bodies!'' The two pick up the pace and the men come after them.
``Run,'' says Tom, but the gang breaks into pursuit while Tom, trying to hold
the pace, gropes in his backpack. The two reach a streetlight and there,
where everybody can see, Tom suddenly stops, turns, and levels a
semiautomatic handgun.

Oh.

At that point, the young men chasing my friend lost their enthusiasm for
blood sport. Tom and his colleague left the neighborhood as fast as they
could. And if there had been no gun? "There's no question in my mind,'' says
Tom, "that my friend and I would have been at least very seriously beaten,
and maybe killed.'' I asked how the gang reacted to the gun. Tom says their
leader demanded officiously: "Have you got a permit for that?''

Tom didn't have a permit, which is bad -- but then he probably couldn't have
gotten one if he had tried, which is also bad. California is among the states
where, if you want permission to carry a concealed weapon, you have to prove
that you are of ``good moral character'' and that you have some special
reason to carry. Tom could have shown that he was of good character, but he
had no special reason. Until, of course, the reason arose one summer night.

As recently as a dozen years ago, almost every state was like California.
Today, by contrast, almost half of all Americans live in the 31 states with
so-called ``shall issue'' laws, which require the authorities to approve a
permit for (typically) anyone over 21 who is mentally sound, has no criminal
record, pays a fee, and takes a gun-safety course. Florida began the stampede
in 1987. Before then, about 17,000 people in the state had concealed-weapon
permits; today, about 250,000 do. The Daytona Beach News-Journal notes that a
number of local judges have permits. ``I became convinced that some of these
people might become dangerous,'' one judge told the paper. ``So I took a
firearms course, got the permit, and kept a weapon handy in the courthouse.''

Any time now, a national majority will live in ``shall issue'' states.
Colorado, Missouri (with a referendum in April), Nebraska, and Ohio (with a
new Republican governor) are all candidates to switch to ``shall issue'' this
year, with the noisy support of the National Rifle Association. Grover G.
Norquist, a conservative activist who expects to join the NRA board later
this year, busies himself lobbying for concealed-carry when he is not busy
lobbying for lower taxes--both issues, he says, being sides of the same
conservative coin. "The more people who view themselves as independent of the
state,'' he says, "the more people who are available to the center-right
coalition.''

In effect, and to the horror of many liberals and gun- control groups,
America is now running an uncontrolled national experiment in self-policing.
There are something like 70 million handguns in the country, and the odds
have increased dramatically that today you passed one of them in the street.

So what do we know about the results of the experiment? First, that about 1
percent to 5 percent of a state's population typically take out concealed-gun
permits. Second, we know what does not happen: America does not turn into the
Dodge City of myth, with fender-benders becoming hailstorms of lead.
(Actually, Dodge City, Kan., wasn't the Dodge City of myth. It was much safer
than today's Washington, D.C., with homicides running to one or two per
cattle-trading season and marshals mostly concerned, writes the historian
Roger Lane, ``with arresting drunks and other misdemeanants.'') People who
are willing to register with the sheriff, pay a fee, and take a gun-safety
course turn out to be unusually law-abiding, safer even than off-duty cops.
In Florida, only 0.13 percent of concealed-carry licenses were revoked from
1987-97 for criminal activity of 

[CTRL] [14] The Arizona Project

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc.
6700 Squibb Rd.
Misson Kansas 66202
276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print
New revised edition - available amazon.com
Paperback, 304pp.
ISBN: 0945165021
Blue Sky Press, Incorporated
June 1988
--[14]--
14
A Twenty-Year Deal

Saturday, January 15, began as a fairly quiet morning in the IRE suite. The
reporters had begun work promptly at eight-thirty. A fairly standard routine
had developed. After breakfast and before starting the staff meeting, someone
would read aloud "Today's Chuckle," a normally humorless and stale one-liner
that appeared every day on the front page of the morning Republic with
"Today's Prayer." The chuckles never came, but the IRE reporters kept reading
them anyway, mostly out of amazement that a modem metropolitan newspaper
would continue to waste space in such a trite fashion. Then, just before
getting down to work, the daily low temperature from Chicago, Detroit, New
York, and Indianapolis during one of the century's coldest winters would be
read off the weather page. All winter in Phoenix the weather had been
monotonously but beautifully the same: cloudless skies and temperatures in
the low seventies. It was one of the few fringe benefits of being away from
home so long.

One recent news story, however, had been of major interest to the reporters.
The John Adamson murder trial had started in Tucson a few weeks before. Jury
selection was still going on. Several dozen prospective jurors had been
quizzed, but, because of extensive knowledge about the case, most had been
rejected. That morning's Republic reported that Superior Court Judge Ben
Birdsall had scheduled a rare Saturday session to speed up the process.

Shortly before noon, as IRE reporters were reading their files and working on
the final stages of their various investigations, the telephone rang. It was
Chuck Kelly, the Republic staffer who had been covering the trial and a
friend of most of the IRE reporters.

"Adamson's confessed," he told Bob Greene. "He's admitted the whole thing.
And he's named everyone else he was involved with."

The first indication that there was a break in the case had come about nine
that morning when the jury selection process was to be resumed. But instead
of getting down to the long, tedious questioning, Judge Birdsall had
apologized to the jury panel, noting that there would be a delay.

At 11:00 A.M., Adamson, dressed in the same prescription sunglasses, print
sport shirt, brown trousers, and white shoes he had worn each day for the
past three weeks, entered the courtroom with sheriff's deputies and his
attorney. He appeared neither overly serious nor nonchalant.

Judge Birdsall came in a moment later and, in an emotionless monotone,
announced to a hushed courtroom that a plea arrangement had been made between
Adamson and the prosecution, that Adamson, originally charged with
first-degree murder, wished to change his previous plea of not guilty, to
guilty of a reduced charge of murder in the second degree.

"Is this a voluntary plea?" asked Birdsall.

"It is, Your Honor," said Adamson.

"Now, I want you to tell this court just what you did in connection with the
death of Don Bolles."

Adamson's voice was firm. "On June 2, 1976, in the parking lot of the
Clarendon Hotel, I placed a bomb containing dynamite under the car of Don
Bolles to be detonated at a later time for the express purpose of killing
him."

"Did you bring the bomb yourself to the automobile?"

"I did."

"And, as I understand it, you placed it under the car?" continued the judge,
studying a number of typewritten documents in front of him.

"That's correct, Your Honor."

"Did you do anything with reference to getting Mr. Bolles to the Clarendon
Hotel on that date?"

"I did, sir."

"And what, if anything, did you have to do with reference to instructing
anyone concerning the discharge of the bomb?"

"I made a phone call to an individual and told him where Mr. Bolles would be
at a specific time and to, where, where it was to be arranged that the bomb
was to be detonated," said Adamson.

"You said this to me, but I want to make sure that I understand you
correctly," the judge continued, carefully choosing his words. "You procured
the bomb. You took it to the car. You put it under the car. And you made
arrangements to have it detonated, all with the specific intent to kill Mr.
Bolles. Is that right?"

"Yes, sir."

Birdsall then went over all eighteen terms of the proposed plea agreement
submitted for his approval. Basically, it guaranteed that Adamson would be
freed from prison after serving twenty years. His sentence would be served in
an out-of-state jail and would not be handed down officially until he
testified fully and completely against all others who were involved in the
murder. If Adamson should lie, or appeal his sentence, or try to be paroled
from jail before the twenty years were up, the 

[CTRL] [15] The Arizona Project

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc.
6700 Squibb Rd.
Misson Kansas 66202
276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print
New revised edition - available amazon.com
Paperback, 304pp.
ISBN: 0945165021
Blue Sky Press, Incorporated
June 1988
--[15]--
15
Revenge on Deadline

Robert Goldwater and Kemper Marley threatened to sue for libel even before
the series was published.

"We must be on the right track," said Greene in mid-February as he, Dick
Cady, and Newsday story editor Tony Ansolia directed a small platoon of
rewritemen recruited from a half-dozen papers to flesh out the file
information into readable newspaper stories. "They're blasting us before they
even know what we'll be writing."

The pressure took the form of sternly phrased letters sent to each of the
thirty-six reporters and to their various newspaper publishers threatening
libel suits if inaccurate, damaging information were printed.

"My attorneys have informed me that I have the good fortune of not being
viewed as [a] 'public figure' by the laws of this country," Goldwater wrote
each newspaper that participated in the project, pointing out between the
lines that, unlike public officials, he is entitled to his privacy and thus
can sue for things politicians can't. "I understand that our relative
anonymity affords us protections under the First Amendment that might not be
available to those more often found in the public limelight."

Marley's attorney, Robert Mills, also indicated his client's disapproval.
"Without intending to prescribe any unreasonable restrictions upon anyone's
right to responsibly exercise the privilege of freedom of speech, or to
appear to sound threatening, please be advised that Mr. Marley intends to
preserve and pursue all remedies provided for by law with reference to any
defamatory statements broadcast or published concerning him."

These undisguised threats to sue were unnecessary since every newspaper would
carefully examine each of the IRE stories for inaccuracies or libelous
material. Such scrutiny was standard procedure on major investigative pieces.
The recipients of Goldwater's and Marley's warnings viewed them for what they
were: an attempt to scare off or intimidate libel-shy editors. But the legal
letters weren't the only complications encountered by IRE.

Since the beginning, the project had been the subject of considerable debate
in the journalism world. The  Washington Post, the New York Times, and the
Los Angeles Times—the jealously competitive "Big Three" of the nation's
newspaper industry-had all denounced the Phoenix project as gimmicky and
unworkable, claiming that it
smacked of elitism and was insulting to the local Arizona media, who suddenly
found themselves invaded by  "outsiders." Not one of the three papers had
bothered to check the makeup of the team. Drehsler, Rawlinson, Overton,
Weisz, and John Winters, assisted by local student interns and a couple of
other Arizona Republic staffers,  were all Arizonans. Indeed, of the other
most active team reporters, only Greene, Renner, Wendland, and Koziol were
outsiders. Arizona reporters had made up over half of the fulltime reporting
cadre.

But were they, unfairly, picking on Arizona, as Barry Goldwater would later
suggest?

"You know," mused Koziol during one of the late-night drinking sessions in
the Adams Hotel bar during the height of the project, "sometimes I wonder
what would happen if we used this approach not on Arizona, but Chicago. Sure,
things are rotten here. But I wonder. Are they any worse than Chicago?"

"Or Detroit?" asked Wendland. "Or New York, Washington, Congress, a dozen
places? What if we were to turn a team like this loose to investigate the
CIA, the FBI, or the Kennedy assassination?"

Gradually, the reporters accepted their role. Arizona happened to be the
focal point of their experiment for the simple reason that Bolles was killed
there. His murder was the catalyst. It affected the media emotionally,
prompting the sudden formation of the IRE team. And as the reporting gathered
momentum, the team members found other compelling reasons for their efforts
in Arizona.

The mob takeover was a classic example of how an entire state could literally
be bought. There were national lessons to be learned from Arizona. Perhaps
IRE's reporting would cause an awakening among the local citizens. It was
still not too late to save the state.

And finally, for journalism, the Arizona project was a first. The banding
together of reporters from different geographic areas with different
specialties was indeed significant. Turning them loose on a single project,
bound only by professionalism and not by time or the prejudices of editors
tied to regional interests, held immense possibilities. If such a project
worked in Arizona, it could work anywhere.

The reporters were dog tired. Even Greene, who was first in and last to leave
the office each day, was affected. 

[CTRL] [16] The Arizona Project

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc.
6700 Squibb Rd.
Misson Kansas 66202
276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print
New revised edition - available amazon.com
Paperback, 304pp.
ISBN: 0945165021
Blue Sky Press, Incorporated
June 1988
--[16]--
Epilogue

November 6, 1977—It was a lousy Sunday, cold and rainy, and there was little
traffic in downtown Phoenix. The weather drastically cut attendance on the
last day of the 1977 Arizona State Fair. On the way to the Maricopa County
Courthouse, George Weisz thought of the spinning and gaudy lights of the 1976
version of the fair. He remembered standing in Suite 1939 of the Adams,
watching those lights with a dozen supercharged reporters during the height
of the Arizona Project. It seemed impossible that an entire year had passed.
But the IRE team was long gone from Phoenix. Only he and student intern Carol
Jackson remained in Phoenix. And they were together on this Sunday.

Weisz and Jackson began the day with bagels and cream cheese in the pressroom
of the Maricopa County Courthouse. "We can't forget tradition," said Weisz,
referring to the Sunday morning bagel feast the IRE team had indulged in
during the project.

Jackson, who had graduated from Arizona State University over the summer, was
now working full time as a reporter for the Associated Press in Phoenix.
Weisz, still between jobs after briefly working for a legislative crime
commission over the summer, was in the courthouse as an unofficial observer
for the team.

They were covering final jury deliberations in the Don Bolles murder trial.

What Jackson wrote that Sunday was carried under her byline by the wire
service into the city rooms of the other IRE reporters across the country.
Weisz wrote nothing. Instead, he went through a pocketful of coins in a phone
booth in the courthouse, calling a dozen of the other former team members to
tell them firsthand what had happened that day.

Armed with Jackson's wire copy and Weisz's telephone account, most of the
remaining team members wrote their own stories for their own newspapers. It
felt good.

A Maricopa County jury, after five-and-a-half days' deliberation, had
convicted James Robison and Max Dunlap of two charges, conspiracy to commit
murder and murder, for the killing of Don Bolles seventeen months before.
Arizona Attorney General Bruce Babbitt, in a press conference after the
verdict had been returned, said he would ask for the death penalty.

"We don't have all the conspirators yet," said Babbitt, "but we will. The
investigation will continue. There will be other arrests."

The trial of the two men, which lasted four months, saw a number of
allegations raised. Adamson had remained adamant that he had been hired to
kill the reporter on behalf of Kemper Marley. Convicted land swindler Howard
Woodall, a surprise witness for the state, testified that Robison had told
him that Bolles was killed because he had uncovered evidence on some sort of
loan swindle involving Marley, Harry Rosenzweig, San Diego financier C.
Arnholt Smith, and Bob and Barry Goldwater.

"We've got some new information as a result of the trial that gives us more
avenues of investigation leading toward more conspirators," said Jon Sellers,
the Phoenix police detective who had been assigned to the Bolles case.

It was the end of one chapter, and the beginning of a new one. And the IRE
reporters, who had been so much a pan of the first chapter, eagerly awaited
the next, though they would have no more input into its writing.

For it was up to the people of the State of Arizona now. The media had done
their job. Arizona's ills had been exposed, and justice, though not yet
complete, was slowly being done. It was the future that was the story now.

pps. 265-266
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excerpts from:
On The Take - From Petty Crooks to Presidents
William J. Chambliss©1978
Indiana University Press
ISBN 0-253-34244-9
269 pps. – First Edition – In-print
-
An amazing book. Quite interesting. Documents a national system of pay-off
and corruption.
Om
K
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ON THE TAKE
From Petty Crooks to Presidents

By William J. Chambliss

"Money is the oil of our present-day machinery, and elected public officials
are the pistons that keep the machine operating  Crime is an excellent
producer of capitalism's oil . . . . [It] is not a by-product of an otherwise
effectively working political economy: it is a main product of that political
economy." -from the Introduction

From bagman to businessman, from pusher to politician, this is the story of
the billion-dollar ripoff built on gambling, drugs, usury, business fraud,
prostitution, theft, and blackmail. Chambliss begins with a detailed study of
Seattle, Washington, and shows how the local crime network has been connected
to national business and political interests and even to the White House. He
could have studied dozens of other cities and found the same corruption and
national connections-in Arizona, Maryland, Georgia.

Trained in law and sociology, Chambliss disguised himself as a truck driver
("two days' growth of beard, a pair of khaki pants, and an old shirt") and
began his years of research by talking to small-time operators on skid row:
tavern owners, cardroom and bingo parlor licensees, porn dispensers, drug
pushers, and prostitutes. Gradually he gained the confidence of the higher
echelon of the crime networkpolicemen, businessmen, journalists, and
politicians.

Chambliss's findings are at odds with the view of organized crime held by the
general public and by most academics. He found clear evidence that organized
crime really consists of a coalition of politicians, law-enforcement people,
businessmen, union leaders, andperhaps least important of all-Mafia-type
racketeers. There is no "godfather" or small controlling group of criminals
but rather an elaborate payoff system from which many benefit.

The conclusions of this study have farreaching implications for all
Americans. Chambliss believes that "it is the bureaucratic nature of law
enforcement, the search for profit and capital dictated by the economy, and
the peculiar organization of American politics which creates and sustains
organized crime throughout the United States at all levels: municipal, state,
and national." The author vividly describes his often dangerous experiences
and quotes extensively from interviews he taped. This colorful document of
social science field research is a shocking expose of crime, business, and
politics in America.

--from book jacket--
=

CHAPTER THREE

Profits and Payoffs

BOB WILLIAMS (P)[Pseudonym] was only nineteen years old when he was arrested
'in the black neighborhood that was his turf. He was only nineteen when he
was beaten to death in a jail while in the custody of the police. Like many
other nineteen-year-old black youths, Bob Williams, judged by white
middle-class standards, was sophisticated beyond his years. He knew how to
turn a honky around, how to survive in what he called "the jungle," and how
to buy cheap, sell dear, especially when he was buying and selling dope.

"I'm an independent. Some of these guys have all kinds of strings on 'em. Not
me, man. I'm my own boss. Ain't nobody gonna pull me around by the nose."

According to a police sergeant on duty the night Bob Williams was taken in,
"We had been watching Williams for some time. We knew he was heavily
implicated in the narcotics traffic and we were just waiting for our chance.
An informant told us he would have a lot of the shit on him that Friday so we
picked him up."

Williams was arrested "on suspicion." At the time of his arrest he had over
fifteen hundred dollars worth of heroin in his possession. The heroin, like
whoever beat him to death, disappeared.

According to the policemen who arrested him, Bob called them names and tried
to jump out of the car. I do not know what happened between eight p.m. and
midnight, but shortly after midnight Bob was brought into the emergency ward
of General Hospital badly beaten and unconscious. He was released back to the
police the next day at twelve noon. The same intern who had patched him up
Friday evening was still on duty Saturday about four p.m. when Bob was
returned to the hospital again badly beaten, this time with a concussion. The
police told the intern that "inmates in the cell keep beating him up." Bob
Williams died at three a.m. Monday from a-brain hemorrhage caused by blows to
the head.

The intern told me he believed the police had beaten him to death. The
coroner listed the cause of death as "accidental." No one was ever charged
with any criminal offense in connection with Bob's death.

Friday night, while Bob was in jail, a white physician who had lived in the
city for a number of years drove 

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1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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excerpts from:
On The Take - From Petty Crooks to Presidents
William J. Chambliss©1978
Indiana University Press
ISBN 0-253-34244-9
269 pps. – First Edition – In-print
-
CHAPTER FIVE

Maintaining Control

SHARED INTERESTS are the root of the forces of social control that maintain
silence and ensure mutual cooperation among the members of the network and
those who work for it. The device by which all these people come to share an
interest in maintaining corruption and widespread criminality is the payoff.
Principally payoffs are in cash, the oil of capitalism's machinery. This
money provides cash to meet monthly bills, to pay gambling debts, to finance
political campaigns, to send children to private schools, to bribe officials
for special favors, or simply to pay wages somewhat above those earned by
comparable workers in "legitimate" employment.

There are gifts that supplement payoffs: a color television given to the
newscaster, an antique automobile for a bank vice-president, a loan to a
local businessman. And there is the use of public office to gather
information that gives someone a special advantage in making a handsome
profit from a small investment.

Those who cooperate and join the network are well rewarded. A routine and
moderately paid government job can be turned into a source of wealth or at
least considerable luxury. Seattle police captains received monthly stipends
of five to eleven hundred dollars from the network. These, however, were the
more blatant and in many respects less important techniques by which the
network maintained control. More important by far were the people who moved
from one position of power and influence in the government-business
structures to another, all the time maintaining links with or control over
important segments of crime enterprises. A few cases illustrate the
interpenetration of different political and economic structures of network
members.

1.  A police officer and police inspector who worked directly under officers
who coordinated payoffs within the police department was handpicked by a
leading local politician to run for the office of sheriff when there was an
opening. He was successful in his campaign. Afterward he received his salary
as sheriff and large monthly sums as his share of network profits from the
county.

2.  A U.S. Coast Guard commander who was friendly with network members, upon
retirement from the Coast Guard, was appointed to the state liquor board.

3.  A fireman from the city cooperated with the crime interests by inspecting
and harassing businesses or businessmen who refused to cooperate with the
network. He also assisted in the destruction of some property network members
wanted to burn in order to collect insurance. After five years as a fireman
he joined the police force and was appointed to the vice squad, where he
continued to work as a network member for seventeen years. With the support
of leading people in the political power structure of the city, he was
elected to the city council, where, along with the president of the council,
he worked diligently to protect the interests of network members. While on
the city council he was appointed head of the licensing committee, from where
he was able to control the licensing of both legitimate and illegal
businesses.

4.  Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation who either worked closely
with network members or were suspiciously unconcerned about corruption were
able to remain in the Seattle office for unusual lengths of time. On
retirement they were offered attractive jobs in government and business.
Contacts with network members were then used to bring in substantial business
to their companies or law firms. The companies were of course pleased with
the business and with the political contacts a former federal law officer
brought to the business. For his part, the agent might be increasingly
important in network policies and could direct several businesses central to
network interests.

5.  A former sheriff who worked closely (but not too wisely) with the network
was appointed to the state parole board. In this position he was able to
manipulate prison terms for network members as well as to punish persons who
did not cooperate with them. He was also in a position to shorten prison
sentences for people able to make payoffs to leading members, including, of
course, himself. Most important, he could see that network members were able
to "do a favor" for a politician or businessman who wanted to "help out a
friend" by getting someone out of prison. Such mutual aid was a crucial
ingredient in maintaining control.

This list of people who moved from position to position as the network
solidified its control over local and state politics and law enforcement
could be expanded to include judges, state legislators, and political
officeholders at all levels. The examples selected are neither extreme nor
unusual. They are, in fact, quite typical of how a crime 

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1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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excerpts from:
On The Take - From Petty Crooks to Presidents
William J. Chambliss©1978
Indiana University Press
ISBN 0-253-34244-9
269 pps. – First Edition – In-print
-
CHAPTER EIGHT

The Enemy Is Us


IN THE MIDDLE AGES, when Anglo-American criminal law was being formed, there
was no pretense of applying the law uniformly across class lines. When
prostitution, gambling, public intoxication, drug use, and the like were made
criminal, it was not intended nor was it the practice to apply these laws
indiscriminately to all social classes. The upper classes were free to
gamble, engage prostitutes, or take drugs without fear of interference from
the state.

In time the emerging commercial, mercantile, and industry-owning classes
sought to use the state as a means of equalizing their position vis a vis the
heretofore dominant landed aristocracy. The law was one of the means through
which this struggle was resolved. By insisting on the right to a trial by
jury, by establishing an adversary system of justice, by creating a set of
social relations built around contractual obligations, the emerging class of
businessmen and manufacturers was able to bring the landed aristocracy to
heel; at least the two ruling classes were made more or less equal in the
law. The lower classes were of course excluded from this equality.   The
necessity of paying an attorney for protection in the courts assured that
neither the aristocracy nor the nouveau riche would have to share state power
with the working classes.

Thus was a solution forged: but so too were the seeds of conflict planted by
that solution. Relying on the moral,,' principle of equality before the law
and depicting the state, .as a value-neutral organ for settling disputes gave
rise to endless criticism from those who observed that "some are more equal
than others."

This process is lived over and over in the history of law: a solution is
forged which attempts to resolve conflicts that' arise out of basic
contradictions in the structure of social relations created by the political
and economic forms of the era. The solution, however, creates social
relations which themselves generate further conflicts reflecting underlying
contradictions which generate further attempts to resolve the contradictions.

The first laws prohibiting gambling, bribery, official corruption, vice,
prostitution, drug use, and usury were each in their turn an attempt to
resolve problems stemming from contradictions. Some were intended to help
control the "teeming masses of urban dwellers who walk the streets. seeking
money by any means fair or foul." Others, such as' anti-opium laws, came as a
consequence of international competition as it developed into a worldwide,
allencompassing economic system.

Laws against usury are illustrative. They helped stabilize, the banking
industry by reducing competition. Laws were enacted that established legal
limits to the amount of interest that could be charged. They solved a problem
of competition among moneylenders, helped stabilize financing for both
industry and banking, made life more predictable and monopolies better able
to form in the banking industry. At the same time, usury laws opened up the
possibility for people to operate illegally. If the banks could not charge
excessively high rates of interest, then they would not loan to people who
were highly risky. Alas, risky people have as much need for money as those
with good credit. Not being able to get credit in a bank does not reduce
one's desire to borrow, but it may increase one's willingness to pay higher
than legally allowable interest. Enter the usurer. For the usurer can charge
excessively high interest and therefore make a profit even from customers who
are a greater risk than banks will accept as borrowers. Result: a
structurally induced illegal business is created as soon as the solution to
competition and "chaos" in the banking industry is solved by establishing
legal limits to interest. All, of course, done with the best of intentions.

Notice, however, that those who engage in usury face a number of
administrative problems not faced by banks. Most important is the fact that
usurers, because they are engaged in illegal acts, cannot turn to the state
and ask that the law be invoked to force debtors to pay back what they have
borrowed. Usurers thus, in order to protect their investments and guarantee
their profits, must establish their own law-enforcement arm. They must employ
a staff of people who are capable of "persuading" those who have borrowed but
failed to pay back their debts that it is better to pay the debts than to
have them hanging over their heads. Usurers utilize many of the same
techniques that the law employs in the service of banks: they confiscate
property, threaten to expose the person to public shame, and if none of these
are effective they resort to corporal or at times even capital punishment.
The latter is of course utilized only as a means 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #3

1999-11-22 Thread Ric Carter

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@ Body Inflation: http://members.aol.com/lvkane/index.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# US 'lost count of uranium shells fired in Kosovo'. (IND) American aircraft
  used so much depleted uranium ammunition during the Nato bombardment of
  Serbia that US officials are now claiming - to the disbelief of European
  bomb disposal officers - that they have no idea how many locations may
  be contaminated by the radioactive dust left behind by their weapons.
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/kosovo221199.shtml

# US Scientist Claims He 'Lost' Nuclear Secrets. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The
  govt scientist fired in the Chinese spying scandal has told investigators
  that he cannot account for several computer diskettes containing nuclear
  secrets. Duh, I'm sorry: http://www.insidechina.com/news.php3?id=111495

: How many nuclear secrets/fragments/devices have you 'lost' lately? Did the
voices in your head tell you where to lose them? Who has them now? Really???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ CHURCH OF VIRUS, Virus is: a forum for rational discourse - a memetically
  engineered atheistic religion - a synthesis of religion  evolution - the
  best possible conceptual framework for living/thinking - a neo-cybernetic
  philosophy for the 21st century - Darwin's dangerous idea out of control -
  an extended phenotype of the Virion Council: http://www.lucifer.com/virus/

: Is your belief system viral in nature? How do religions evolve? Is your
faith well-engineered? Are you? Is evolution out of control? Are you? How?

# Darwin Wars: when radicals dumped a pitcher of water on E.O. Wilson at
  an AAAS meeting, S.J. Gould grabbed the mike, quoting Lenin on misuse
  of violence: http://www.linguafranca.com/9911/darwin.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# School of Assassins protested. FORT BENNING, Ga. Thousands of protesters,
  many wearing black robes and white death masks, marched onto Fort Benning
  to protest human rights abuses they say are committed by graduates of the
  Army's School of the Americas. Def.Sec. Cohen announced that the School
  would remain open despite Congressional closure - U.S. a military dicta-
  torship: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562198731-bff

# Chemtrails Continue To Sicken Many - International Uproar Brewing. Exactly
  one year after Americans in 48 states began noticing an abrupt increase in
  unusual aerial activity and sickness on the ground, "flu-like" ailments
  are once again up sharply as eyewitnesses describe multiple broad white
  plumes being laid by tanker-type aircraft in Xs and grid patterns over the
  U.S. and central  western Canada. http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/chem.htm

: Would you rather be assassinate or environmentally poisoned? What's your
favorite military dictatorship? Are you a death-dealer? Is death-dealing fun
and/or profitable and/or necessary and/or patriotic? D'ya want to kill me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Prof Uses Statistics To Test Psychic Claims. (U-WIRE) DAVIS, CA -- If you
  ever thought you could visualize a distant place or could telecommunicate
  with others, you may not be so crazy. Jessica Utts, a UC-Davis statistics
  professor, has raised many eyebrows with claims like this one, which she
  has defended on network TV. She said she believes that through the use of
  scientific analysis and statistics, she has found conclusive evidence for
  parapsychological activity. "Using the standards applied to any other
  area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well
  established" - see http://news.excite.com/news/uw/991117/odd-115

: Is it true that "figgers don't lie, but liars figger"?? Have you ever lied
with statistics? Did you just fib a little? Can you lie telepathically? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# "How I escaped from Amazon.cult" - the horrible truth of Amazon:
  http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/9828/features-howard.shtml
# Performance Evaluation at Amazon.Com: too few emails and you're fired:
  http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-11/22/022r-112299-idx.html
$ Buy Brains and Brain-Related Products: http://www.brains4zombies.com/

: Will the doomsdayers at amazon.cult destroy ecommerce for the millennium?
Is Amazon.com bent on sucking out your cash, brains, soul? Are you worried?

@ The great discoveries that science will make in the next century will
  answer questions we do not yet have the wit to ask. Questions are more
  important than answers: http://sciam.com/1999/1299issue/1299maddox.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Meditator assigned to Microsoft case - Richard Posner to teach Bill Gates
   

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-22 Thread Ric Carter

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@ Bored with gardening? Try something more radical. http://www.reh42.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Tape: Call on JFK wasn't Oswald. WASHINGTON (AP) Hours after Pres. Kennedy
  was assassinated, FBI agents reportedly listened to a tape of a phone call
  that a man identifying himself as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet
  Embassy in Mexico City. They made a startling discovery: The voice on the
  tape was not Oswald's, govt records say. This controversial tape has been
  a question mark in the assassination investigation since JFK was killed.
  The assassination occurred 36 years ago Monday  only now have new details
  about the tape come to light. CIA said years ago that the tapes on which
  it recorded the call were erased. Documents released in recent years said
  otherwise. Newly declassified documents offer more evidence that the tapes
  survived. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562187471-529
# Also: Excerpts from JFK documents - but you don't think they're all real,
  do you? http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562187060-b4e

: How many layers of disinfo surround Oswald/Ruby/JFK? Who does Oswald dis-
tract us from? Who do THEY distract us from? Why release this (dis)info now?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 4,000-year-old palace found in Syria. DAMASCUS (AP) - Archaeologists have
  discovered the ruins of a royal palace believed to be 4,000 years old near
  Damascus. The palace contains a throne hall 70 ft by 132 ft with 6-ft high
  adobe walls. In the very center of the hall, an unbroken jar with "amazing
  decoration" was found stuck to the ground. Ancient demons haunt the area.
  See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562168247-89f

# Orkney Farmer Finds Ancient Underground Pagan Temple. (Times) Armed with a
  JCB digger, ropes  a shovel, Douglas Paterson set out to discover whether
  stories that he had heard as a boy about a "spooky underground hoose" at
  Tankerness on Orkney were true. With a rope round his waist and hanging
  headfirst down a 2 ft-wide, 30 ft-deep muddy hole, Mr. Paterson excavated
  two ancient stone staircases of 29 steps leading down through three sub-
  terranean chambers. http://foxnews.com/scitech/111999/times_temple.sml

: What's your favorite ancient palace/temple/site? Do you still perform any
human sacrifices there? Do the channels of power HUM  THROB with the blood?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Evidence That Animals Have 'Souls'. Scientists have found the strongest
  evidence yet that some animals may have "souls". They have located cells
  responsible for self-consciousness in the human brain - and found similar
  clusters in great apes. The cells, named "self-awareness neurons", appear
  to integrate the work of various parts of the brain - and create a sense
  of individuality. http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/Ecclesiastes3_19-20.htm

: Would you like to genetically-engineer mammals/reptiles/fish/birds so the
brains contain these neurons and thus have souls? Are souls evolutionarily
useful? Will soulful chickens take over the universe? Have they already??

# Physiological Abnormalities In Abductees Revealed:
  http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/abductees.htm
# Teens' Biological Clocks Different - Classes Should Start Later:
  http://www.sightings.com/health3/teenclasses_h.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SkeptiBriefs - I hardly know what to say - it's your turn:

# Vesuvius Evac Drill Staged. SOMMA VESUVIANA, Italy (Reuters) Neapolitans
  staged an orderly "Vesuvius drill" Sunday in a dress rehearsal of an
  evacuation in the event of an eruption of the volcano that buried Pompeii
  in 79 AD. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991122/08/odd-italy-vesuvius
@ Fireworks: http://markun.cs.shinshu-u.ac.jp/japan/fireworks/index-e.html

@ The Differential Geometry of the Sphericon. The Sphericon really is a
  (double) cone with a twist. It is formed by taking two right-angled cones,
  joining them at the base, slicing the resulting solid by a plane through
  the two cone points, and gluing the two resulting pieces back together
  after having rotated one 90 degrees with respect to the other. It can be
  made from cardboard: http://www.ams.org/new-in-math/cover/sphericon1.html

# Giant Floating Metropolis Planned. TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras (Reuters) A huge
  $8.5 billion luxury floating metropolis, the biggest boat in history, is
  about to be built in the poverty-stricken Central American nation of
  Honduras. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991122/08/odd-honduras-boat

@ Death For Satellites - What Are They Hiding Out There? Disturbing trends:
  

Re: [CTRL] This is not a Bible discussion list .

1999-11-22 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Encoded in all Indo-European mythologies is an apocalyptic battle between
opposing divine armies. In India (Mahabharata) and Rome (Sabine War), the
battle is semi-euhemerized into legendary history. The Greek version pits
the Olympians against the Titans; the Irish counterpart is the Second Battle
of Mag Tuiredh (Moytura) between the Tuatha De Danaan and the Fomoire.
Perhaps the most "apocalyptic" version, in the sense in which that term is
used now, is the Norse Ragnarök, with the Æsir fighting against assorted
jötunn (giants), traitors (Loki), and monsters (the Fenris wolf and the
Midgard Serpent, both Loki's offspring), in a conflict that ushers in the
destruction of the world by fire and ice and the birth of a new world with a
new generation of gods. The clearest sense of conspiracy is found among the
perennially paranoid Iranians, with their stark division of celestial beings
into good and bad, white and black, light and darkness, truth and lie; the
Zarathustran reform depersonalized many of the old Iranian deities, turned
them into demons, and aligned them squarely with Ahriman, the prototype of
the Christian "Devil" and archfoe of the champion of Light, Ormazd
(Ahura-Mazda). One wonders just what might be found by a really thorough
archaeological examination of the region around the Caspian Sea now believed
to be the Indo-European homeland...or perhaps *under* the Caspian Sea...

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snip
 Important to keep in mind, however, that it is, as I say, only ONE of
 those
 hypotheses,
 and it should be taken for granted that it will NOT be accorded any
 "privileged" status
 alongside OTHER hypotheses, which, please note, may ALSO be of a
 "theological" or
 philosophical nature -- for example, Indo-Iranian Dualism (a major source
 for
 what later
 turned up in the Old Testament, according to scholars) and its offshoot,
 Gnosticism, (which played a major role in shaping several "orthodox"
 beliefs
 in early Christianity),
 or Western Pythagorean-Platonism and Neoplatonism (one basis for
 "Hermeticism")
 and its Eastern equivalent in Kabbalah -- or even the "mythologies" (more
 accurately "religions") of the Sumerians, non-Israelite Semites,
 Indo-Europeans  -- who, by the way, ALSO refer to something like an
 Arch-Conspirator and a cosmic Coup d'Etat --  e.g., in the Greek story of
 Prometheus and in the Babylonian account of "Creation."
snip

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Re: [CTRL] The Invisible Dynasty Lives On

1999-11-22 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Ah, you noticed the Cecil connection! Consider this together with the
flirtation of numerous members of the Royal Family and also of the Blairs
with the Catholic Church...add in the growing rapprochement of the mainline
Protestant denominations with the Catholic Church...and wonder...


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   With so many peers being disenfranchised, wouldn't you know it,
 a
 CECIL --for today, it's Lord Cranborne-- still sits in the House of Lords.
   And alongside him sits Lord Carrington, who's not only a
 Rothschild
 by blood but the current head of the Bilderbergers ...


snip
 Earl of LongfordLord Pakenham of Cowley
   [sitting as Lord
   Silchester  Pakenham]
snip

Question: Is this Michael Pakenham, the eminent historian?

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Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

1999-11-22 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

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  I agree that measures should be taken to put a stop to counterfeiting but
at the same time, it seems you give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
In other words, I would guess this wouldn't be used to only track
counterfeiters... Maybe even track those who copy information contrary to
the Elitist point of view and so on and soforth...

Jamie

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Kris Millegan wrote:

 Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
 copier techs out there?

Isn't it part of the mandate of the Secret Service to investiagte
counterfiting?  I remember when the colour copiers came out there were
problems with people photocopying money.  So perhaps this "invisible
code" is a means of tracking down criminals if they attempt to pass off
'funny money'?

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] 40 days is 40 years!!

1999-11-22 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Depends on your definition of "worldwide." If your world is limited by your
ability to travel, then a worldwide event need not be as large as it would
have to be to qualify today. Perhaps in this context we need to read "KNOWN
world" for "world"...

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 In a message dated 99-11-20 16:17:25 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 WASHINGTON (November 19, 1999 4:52 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
 The
 man who tracked down the Titanic and other undersea mysteries has found
 evidence that the Black Sea was inundated in a giant flood about 7,000
 years
 ago - perhaps the biblical flood of Noah.

 Just another LOCAL flood, no evidence at all of the Bible's WORLDWIDE
 Deluge.



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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Why, everyone KNOWS that the Nazis discovered the Ark of the Covenant and
hid it in a mineshaft in Bavaria along with the Spear of Longinus and
Hitler's foreskin. These treasures were subsequently recovered by a special
U.S. Army unit following the German surrender, and they are now held in a
tightly guarded warehouse of the National Archives in Arlington, Virginia...

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 David Rupp wrote:
 
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  Someone just sent this link to another list that I read:
  http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt
  It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the
 Israeli
  government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can find
 a
  new crusade. Good luck!
 
  David Rupp
  Get caught up in The Web of Fate at
  http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html.

 I beg to differ. It is not in the hands of the Israelis. It is in
 a wooden box in a HUGE government warehouse somewhere in the USA.

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Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-22 Thread Bob Plante

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The movie, Y2K was aired by NBC in the Rhode Island area but I understand
that some areas of the country may not have.  That NBC may have substituted
another movie instead.

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[CTRL] Fwd: experiments on civilians

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan






   Source: New Scientist (UK)
   Copyright: New Scientist, RBI Limited 1999
   Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Website: http://www.newscientist.com/
   Page: 49-51
   Author: Charles Seife

   WITHOUT CONSENT

   A review of: Undue Risk: Secret State Experiments on Humans, by Jonathan
   Moreno, WH Freeman, UKP15, ISBN 0716731428

   If you made it up, nobody would believe you.  Years after the
Nuremberg trials
   revealed the horrors of the Nazi experiments on concentration
camp prisoners,
   one of the world's biggest liberal democracies was still
carrying out unethical
   medical experiments on people.  The subjects included soldiers,
prisoners and
   even some civilians.  And the science, much of it involving
exposing people to
   radiation, was done with the full blessing of the US
government.  When Bill
   Clinton created a commission to investigate, Jonathan Moreno, a
bioethicist at
   the University of Virginia, was put on the panel and given access to vast
   numbers of classified documents.  In Undue Risk: Secret State
Experiments on
   Humans, he recounts that experience.  Charles Seife talked to
Moreno to find
   out what he learnt...

   WITHOUT CONSENT

   "THE UK , like our other allies, thinks we're out of our
goddamned minds for
   talking about this kind of thing in public and releasing any
kind of classified
   information at all, ever."

   So says American bioethicist Jonathan Moreno.  The topic is his own
   government's past-and distinctly inglorious--record on human
experimentation.
   And he has a point: no other nation has allowed scholars of
Moreno's ilk to root
   through box after box of secret documents looking for evidence of how
   scientists, backed by the military, systematically mistreated
human subjects in
   their studies of the effects of radiation, chemicals and
biological agents.  And
   when other governments get around to looking at the experiments
detailed in
   those documents, it's fair to say they won't be eager to unlock
all of their own
   files.

   Many boxes contained nothing more than old newspaper clippings.  Yet
   occasionally, there were documents that told of horrible abuses.  Some
   examples.  In 1949, US scientists wanted to judge their ability
to monitor
   radioactive plumes.  Their solution: deliberately release a
cloud of radioactive
   iodine into the atmosphere over Washington state.  In the
1950s, US generals
   wanted to know whether their men would panic in a nuclear attack.  Their
   solution: parade several hundred thousand US troops in front of atomic
   explosions.  Or what about the attempts the US Army made in the 1960s to
   develop a "supersoldier" with skin so tough it acted like a
natural body armour?
   To perfect the skin-hardening technology, the US Army needed human
   subjects, so it turned to a prison in Holmesburg, Philadelphia.
There it found
   "acres of skin" to play with.  The prisoners were treated with
chemical agents,
   which, when effective, caused "significant inflammation and crusting".

   But for Moreno, one of the worst cases happened in the 1950s when the US
   Army persuaded psychiatrists to secretly inject hallucinogenic
drugs into mental
   patients.  "That episode strikes me as the one that really
epitomises how wrong
   things went," he says.  "Hospitals are supposed to be secure
places where you're
   protected."

   The US Army's aim in these experiments, according to a 1951
internal memo,
   was to investigate "the utilisation of psychochemical agents
both for offensive
   use and for protection against them".  In other words, they
were looking for
   mind-control agents.  And to this end, they supplied novel derivatives of
   mescaline to psychiatrists at Bellevue Hospital in New York. As Moreno
   recounts in his book, one of the guinea pigs was Howard Blauer,
a tennis pro
   admitted to Bellevue with depression in 1952, and who died
there after being
   given very high doses of a mescaline compound, possibly by
accident.  Blauer
   seems to have known he was being given an experimental drug.  What he,
   didn't know, according to Moreno, was that the drug wasn't
designed to help
   his condition.

   Of course, freak accidents can blight even meticulously ethical
studies. But what
   upsets Moreno is the sheer number of studies that failed to
meet the most basic
   ethical requirement: namely, telling subjects what the
experiment involved and
   what it was trying to discover before asking them to enrol.
Even the cases
   where no physical harm was done disturb him.

   Few more so than the so-called "science club" studies of the
1940s and 1950s,
   in which scientists fed radioactive cereal to unsuspecting youngsters at

[CTRL] Fwd: For Don Draper

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan





Harry Giarratana wrote:

 Don,
   Enclosed is a short synopsis of the events immediately before
 and after the autopilot was disengaged. In your opinion, why
 would the pilot reduce power at the time of pitch-over if he
 intended to crash the aircraft? It would appear to be an action
 that proved a "controlled" descent, rather than one in which a
 suicidal individual hoped would result in assured destruction
 of the aircraft.

  The man accused of being suicidal had a career as a fighter pilot. If
he was going to crash the 767, he would have rolled it inverted and
pulled back on the yoke to put the nose straight down much faster. The
flight path flight 990 is consistant with the fear of loss of cabin
pressure, which happened to another 767 just a week ago.

  Both the claim that the co-pilot said "I've made my decision" and the
claim that he was in financial trouble have both been exposed as lies.
Both lies supported the suicide claim, and reveal an agenda at work.




[CTRL] The New Patriotism

1999-11-22 Thread lloyd

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..

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Subject: The New Patriotism
Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 6:12 PM


The New Patriotism
by Patrick J. Buchanan
October 25, 1999 - Falls Church, Virginia

Good morning. Today, I am ending my lifelong membership in the Republican
Party, and my campaign for its nomination; and I am declaring my intention
to seek the nomination of the Reform Party for the presidency of the United
States.

This decision was not made without anguish and regret. I will forever
cherish the memory of having been perhaps the only Goldwaterite in the
Graduate School of Journalism at Columbia University in 1961. Nor will I
ever regret my nine years of service to Richard Nixon, from his comeback
campaigns of 1966 and '68, to our 49-state triumph of '72, through the final
days of Watergate.

I was with Nixon in China. And I also had the high honor of being Ronald
Reagan's second in the Panama Canal debates, and at his side when that great
president refused to give up missile defense and walked out of the summit at
Reykjavik in Ronald Reagan's finest hour of the Cold War. From the
thunderous reception we got at Houston in 1992, when I told the Buchanan
Brigades we had to come home and stand beside George Bush, to the ovations
at Ames, Iowa, last summer, when I faced off with his son, the Governor, the
Republican party has been good to me. And I have tried to be loyal to it.
But, as John F. Kennedy said, Sometimes party loyalty asks too much. And
today it asks too much of us.

Today, candor compels us to admit that our vaunted two-party system is a
snare and a delusion, a fraud upon the nation. Our two parties have become
nothing but two wings of the same bird of prey. On foreign and trade policy,
open borders and centralized power, our Beltway parties have become
identical twins. Both supported NAFTA and GATT and the surrender of our
national sovereignty to the WTO. Both supported the extension of nuclear war
guarantees to the borders of Russia. Both supported the illegal war on
Serbia. Both support IMF bailouts of corrupt regimes. Both vote for MFN
trade privileges for a Communist Chinese regime that today targets missiles
on American cities. The appeasement of Beijing is a bipartisan disgrace, and
we will not be a part of it.

Neither party speaks for the forgotten Americans whose jobs were sent
overseas to finance the boom market of the 1990s that the rest of us enjoy.
Both parties are addicted to soft money. Both write laws with lobbyists
looking over their shoulders. Both embrace the unprincipled politics of
triangulation.

And neither fights today with conviction and courage to rescue God's country
from the cultural and moral pit into which she has fallen. The day of the
outsider is over in the Beltway parties; the money men have seen to that.
Never again will our political establishment permit a dissident to come as
close to capturing a nomination as we did in 1996. They have rearranged the
primary schedule and rigged the game to protect the party favorites.

Candidates of ideas need not apply, as both parties seek out the hollow men,
the malleable men, willing to read from teleprompters speeches scripted by
consultants and pollsters for whom the latest print-out from the Focus Group
is sacred text.

We choose not to play our assigned role in their sham election. My friends,
this year is our last chance to save our republic, before she disappears
into the godless New World Order that our elites are constructing in a
betrayal of everything for which our Founding Fathers lived, fought, and
died.

Only the Reform Party offers the hope of a real debate and a true choice of
destinies for our country. "If we don't go now, Pat," I have been told by
loyalists all across America, "every cause for which we fought for seven
years will die." Well, we can't let those causes die, because they are
America's cause. So let me say to the money boys and the Beltway elites who
think that, at long last, they have pulled up their drawbridge and locked us
out forever: You don't know this peasant army. We have not yet begun to
fight.

So, let me lay out our Patriots' Road for America. With the Cold War over,
we shall craft a foreign policy for a new century rooted in the great
tradition of Washington, Jefferson and John Quincy Adams who wrote:

Wherever the standard of freedom and independence...shall be unfurled, there
will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her prayers beBut she goes
not abroad in search of monsters to destroy.

I pledge to you: I will never send an American army to fight in a foreign
war, unless our country is attacked or our vital interests are imperiled.
They call us "isolationists." Well, if they mean I intend to isolate America
from the bloody territorial and ethnic wars of the new century, 

[CTRL] New claim over discovery of the lost Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread lahontan

Interesting links in this article attached on developing story -
discovery of Ark of the Covenant

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_bresnahan/19990809_xex_new_claim_ov.shtml

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 New claim over discovery of the lost Ark of the Covenant
 By David M. Bresnahan   1999 WorldNetDaily.com An archeologist who claims to have found the Ark of the Covenant
directly below the crucifixion site of Jesus Christ has died after
giving a deathbed interview to WorldNetDaily.

Noah's Ark, Sodom and Gomorrah,  the Ark of the Covenant, the
crucifixion site of Jesus Christ, and more have been the subject of
controversial claims made by an archeologist who spent much of his life
documenting sites and events from the Bible.

Ron Wyatt died after a lengthy battle with cancer last Wednesday, but
his quest to provide information that would lead to more people
accepting the teachings of the Bible continues at Wyatt Archeological
Research, a non-profit, non-denominational
organization in  Tennessee.

Reached just before his death, the telephone interview with Wyatt was
to last only a few minutes because of his very weak condition. He
actually spoke for nearly an hour. A few days later, Wyatt succumbed
to the disease.

The evidence of the various finds Wyatt claimed to have made has been
debated by religious leaders, scholars and lay people, for at least a
decade. There are many who believe his findings are genuine,
and there are a few who are not so willing to accept his claims.

According to Wyatt, he was able to physically locate the Ark of the
Covenant, the container for the original tablets of the Ten
Commandments, with the Mercy Seat intact on the top. It was found in a
chamber just  outside the walls of ancient Jerusalem about 20 feet below
what Wyatt also claimed was the actual site of the crucifixion of Jesus
Christ.

Wyatt said he found an earthquake crack directly below where the
cross would have been. It extends down through the rock to the resting
place of the Mercy Seat atop the Ark of the Covenant, he told
WorldNetDaily. The blood of Christ would have flowed through that crack
after his death and after his side was pierced by a soldier's spear.

The site of the crucifixion appears to have evidence that it was once
enclosed in a first century building, apparently a church. The site
includes a large round stone which perfectly fits the Garden Tomb --
accepted by many as the place from which the body of Christ rose from
the dead.

The Bible teaches the concept of sacrifice of animals, symbolic of
the actual blood sacrifice Christ would make. The act of Christ,
regarded by some as the great High Priest, permitting himself to be
sacrificed and placing his own blood upon the Mercy Seat was the great
and final act in the process of blood sacrifice, according to the
writings of Wyatt.

Wyatt believed that the Ark of the Covenant, along with other sacred
objects from the first Temple in Jerusalem, were all secreted away just
prior to the entrance of the Babylonians into the city about
600 years before the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. There are many tunnels
beneath Jerusalem even to this day. These most sacred objects were
protected in a chamber and the entrance was sealed and hidden.

"When Christ died, the earth quaked. The rock was split right below
His cross and this crevice extended right down into the hidden chamber
which contained the undefiled 'earthly' Throne of God -- the Ark with
its Mercy Seat," explained Wyatt in one of his research letters. "After
He was dead, when the centurion stuck his spear into Christ's side and
pierced His spleen, the blood and water came out, falling down through
that crack and was sprinkled on the Mercy Seat."

Wyatt explained that in the former Temple service, the high priest
sprinkled the blood of the sacrifice on the Mercy Seat. Wyatt said
Christ, as the great High Priest, was the only one who could physically
sprinkle the blood on the Mercy Seat. It was an act of God that
everything was in the right place, and that there was an earthquake
which enabled Christ to spill his own blood onto the Mercy Seat in
fulfillment of this ancient rite, he explained.

Wyatt did not make any claims of grandeur, nor did he claim to be a
prophet. He said his only role was to be a willing servant.

"God has a way of communicating his wishes to people, and I'm not the
only one able to do that so I don't flatter myself to think that
I'm something special. I was there, I was willing, so therefore God
allowed me this privilege. There are others who are in 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-11-22 Thread Tenorlove

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I'm with Hilary; one big yawn--just another vehicle for Ken Olin to
make puppy-dog faces.
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

1999-11-22 Thread Maggie

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Yeah, me too. And I missed X Files for it. Wah! I'd take David over Ken any
day :).
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Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-22 Thread Tenorlove

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 The movie, Y2K was aired by NBC in the Rhode Island area but I
 understand
 that some areas of the country may not have.  That NBC may have
 substituted
 another movie instead.

Would that WE were so lucky!
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[CTRL] Human biotelemetry victim.

1999-11-22 Thread Andrew Hennessey
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hi,

please forward to any MC List - Dave would like feedback and assistance


Hello there, my name is David Moncoeur, and believe myself to be a biotelemetry victim. Part of the considerable luck in my life has been to encounter a former MI5 agent, British secret service agent, who listened with sympathetic ears to my plight, then said there were certain people he could contact about my claims, he'd discuss this further when next we met. He had been very highly placed, shouted at by our Prime Minister etcetera as a right-hand man. 
Meeting him again he said "I have found out one or two things. Your friends in London who have been into screwing around with your head for the past twenty years or whatever won't like you taking a forty foot length of copper wire, which must be insulated, and if you've got metal bedsprings attach one end to one spring then attach the other end to another spring. That might do something. Another thing is there is a German called Doctor Prinz who builds brain-wave amplifier jammers, he charges £120 for one with a three-way toggle switch, roughly that amount, because if you block along one wave-band they can get you on two others. He doesn't speak a word of English and has to be wary of the German secret police; the phone number I got for him suggests he has vacated his recent address."
Quintessentially, my search is to find someone who can use what meagre technical data I can supply about this in order for someone to have built it for me. I t seems to need fairly specialised knowledge.
My web-site has been praised by Tony Collins, editor of 'Computing' weekly British magazine, also author of 'Open Verdict: 25 Mysterious Deaths In The Defence Industry', and by the editor of the English 'Kent Messenger' daily newspaper, two good referees that I know of, and the web-site would furnish you with more data if you're interested.
If you could spread this around a few inventive individuals, until someone seems sufficiently intrigued to attempt that 'jammer' task that would help me considerably.
Thanx: from : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
surf.to/dangerousdave (special service short form of web address.)
  
Will considerably add to my web-site in January.

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[CTRL] Globalisation Brigade

1999-11-22 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From Al-Ahram Weekly
http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/1999/456/op2.htm

{{Begin}}
The globalisation brigade marches on
By Gamil Mattar *

 Two warring camps: one championing globalisation (which 1ÉSnderstands to
varying degrees), the other attacking globalisation (sometimes with a
grasp of the issues, often with a refusal to comprehend). Both have their
fanatics. Thomas Friedman is one of the most zealous advocates of
globalisation. Certainly, by now he has run out of things he can say about
the subject, I thought after reading a book and several articles he had
written. I was mistaken. Last April, he came out with The Lexus and the
Olive Tree. The product of a flash of inspiration following the author's
visit to the Japanese car factory that produces the Lexus, the book may
well appear to be an endless series of trivial anecdotes posing as factual
portrayal of realities, or, worse, a compilation of determinist visions.
Such has been the frequency and influence of the teleological reasoning
characteristic of Friedman's work that it has brought some globalisation
evangelists to the brink of heresy. Several weeks ago, I read in a French
newspaper that the proponents of globalisation see world history in terms
of three phases. The first was the age of divinity, marked by a succession
of competing religious creeds. The second, the age of reason, began in the
eighteenth century, when all the bases of contemporary political thinking
evolved. Finally, the age of certainty has dawned, and with it the
unsurpassable and unrivaled religion of globalisation.

The debate over globalisation has been and, for many, is still exciting.
And so it may continue to be, if it remains confined to philosophers and
theoreticians. Intellectual debates can be stimulating as long as only
intellectuals are involved. But disaster is in store when one or both
sides of a debate begin to lure political authorities into taking part.
And when these authorities stop acting as impartial observers and begin to
adopt absolutist stands on one side or the other, as has increasingly been
the case in the debates over globalisation, we are really in trouble. The
debate over globalisation has become politicised. What was once
stimulating, sometimes amusing (given the absurdities that have often
passed as reasoning) has become nightmarish as idle drivel turns into
policy, fiction into law and fantasy into certitude.

Globalisation is on the rise. Of this there can be no doubt. I take issue,
however, with the inevitability or wisdom of capitulating resignedly to
the trend. Globalisation advocates themselves admit that it does not
necessarily promise the land of milk and honey. In fact, they say it can
often be bitter and painful. What they do not say is that the majority of
the world's population lives in hardship, that this majority is growing
and that their hardship is growing more acute. Nor do they say that most
of the evils of the process, whether we call it globalisation, unbridled
capitalism or the new age of certitude, are becoming increasingly brutal.

The critics -- the weaker of the two camps -- stress a number of
deficiencies which they believe threaten the stability of certain
societies that have plunged headlong into the process of globalisation.
These deficiencies, they argue, also jeopardise international peace and
security, as well as the very bases of globalisation: democracy,
transparency, broad-based participation in economic and political activity
and an expanding free market. Of greatest concern, they contend, is the
growing discrepancy between rich and poor, both within nations and at the
global level.

Years after the free market experiment became virtually universal and the
role of the state in steering the economy declined, one fifth of the
world's population continues to suffer abject poverty. More than 1.3
billion people in the world today live on the equivalent of one dollar a
day. How lamentable, then, is the remark of one of America's foremost
proponents of globalisation that the world's poor -- who, he confesses,
will increase in number and whose poverty will become more aggravated --
will be eating a Big Mac as their daily meal? Although poor, he says, they
will at least be taking part in the process of globalisation. I agree with
the editor-in-chief of Le Monde Diplomatique that there is no difference
between this comment and Marie Antoinette's proverbial utterance of 1789.

The second shortcoming cited by the critics of globalisation is the
deteriorating -- in every sense of the word -- relationship between the
state and the symbols of statehood. For the first time in 350 years, the
state is voluntarily -- so it appears -- relinquishing the most important
constituents of its existence, not least of which its national
sovereignty. More than ever, it is beleaguered by international financial
institutions, which use loans and debt servicing liberally as the whip to
impose conditions regarding the 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-22 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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 From: "Ric Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 # Tape: Call on JFK wasn't Oswald. WASHINGTON (AP) Hours after Pres.
Kennedy
   was assassinated, FBI agents reportedly listened to a tape of a phone
call
   that a man identifying himself as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet
   Embassy in Mexico City. They made a startling discovery: The voice on
the
   tape was not Oswald's, govt records say. This controversial tape has
been
   a question mark in the assassination investigation since JFK was
killed.
   The assassination occurred 36 years ago Monday  only now have new
details
   about the tape come to light. CIA said years ago that the tapes on
which
   it recorded the call were erased. Documents released in recent years
said
   otherwise.

And bets on the date the press release will come out stating that the above
information is incorrect?

 # Phone-sex operator wins masturbation injury claim. The woman, 40, said
she
   developed carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands from masturbating as
often
   as 7 times daily doing hot-chat with callers. She'll get benefits for
the
   injuries. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991119/13/fl-life-phonesex

I'm speechless...

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread earthman

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I think the term Arc comes from Arktos..that is the Northern Pole
star..Around it is the Great Bear and the little bear. Both SEven star
system and a reflection of each other.. The  swastika is a representation of
this albeit an opposite.. So the ARC therefore must be at the pole to have
full powerhehe..

Peter

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 Uh huh...

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-11-22 14:42:50 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why, everyone KNOWS that the Nazis discovered the Ark of the Covenant and
hid it in a mineshaft in Bavaria along with the Spear of Longinus and
Hitler's foreskin. These treasures were subsequently recovered by a special
U.S. Army unit following the German surrender, and they are now held in a
tightly guarded warehouse of the National Archives in Arlington, Virginia...

Yes, of course, but ...  About 1947 it was found that, after a piddling 3500
years, the Ark's BATTERIES had run down, so it was taken to the federal
government's "secret technology" repair shop, where, alongside Tesla's
earthquake generator, a Reichian negative-orgone collector, and the
mislabelled remains of the Roswell UFO, it sits to this very day, on a back
shelf gathering faintly green-glowing dust  ...

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[CTRL] Fwd: A Margin of One

1999-11-22 Thread Das GOAT

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

\\ Welcome to Aiken's Trivia ///

Here's something to jog your conscience if you don't vote
Your vote makes a difference.  DID YA'  KNOW--

Once upon a time...in the little state of Rhode Island...they were
electing a state legislature.

There was a thrifty Federalist farmer who started for the polls
late in the afternoon and, on the way, heard the squealing of a pig.
He looked around to see the pig with its head caught in the mesh
of an old wire fence.

Hogs often will kill and eat a trapped pig.  So the farmer stopped
to rescue the porker and was too late at the polls.

Now, wait a minute.  The Federalist farmer was too late to vote...
and...the election was decided by a one-vote margin in favor of
the Democrats.

If the farmer had been at the voting place in time, the Democrat
would not have been elected.  One vote.

At the following session of the legislature (these were the days
when the legislatures elected our Senators) a Democrat was sent
to the Senate from Rhode Island by a one-vote margin in the
legislature. .

Try to keep up with this.  The legislator was elected by one vote
and his one vote elected a Senator.

And in the United States Senate the vote that we should go to war
with England was carried by the one Democrat margin.  So the
Revolutionary War was fought because...a Rhode Island pig got
caught in a fence.   One vote.

 A vote was taken on which would be the national language -
English or German.  English won by one vote

Dr. George Benson of Harding College traced this sequence: One
morning in 1844 a grain miller in De Kalb County, Indiana, was
walking toward his mill.  It was election day, but he had work to
do and did not intend to vote.  Before he reached the mill, however,
he was stopped by friends who persuaded him to go to the polls.

As it happened the candidate for whom he voted won a seat in
the state legislature...by a margin of one vote.  When the Indiana
Legislature convened, the man elected from De Kalb cast the
deciding vote that sent Edward Allen Hannegan to the United
States Senate.  As my pastor says, iAre you still with me?i

Then, in the United States Senate the question of statehood for
the great state of Texas came up...the result was a tie vote.

But Senator Hannegan, presiding as President pro tempore, cast
the deciding vote from the chair.

So the Lone Star state of Texas was admitted to the Union because
a miller in De Kalb County, Indiana, went ten minutes out of his
way to cast his one vote...just one vote.

You want more?  Are you still with me?

Thomas Jefferson was elected President by one vote in the
Electoral College.

So was John Quincy Adams.

And so was Rutherford B. Hayes...elected President...by one vote.

One vote gave statehood to California, Idaho, Oregon, Texas,
and Washington.  All those people in all those states are United
States of Americans because of somebody's one vote.

Kentucky came into the Union as a slave state...by the casting
of one majority vote in the Constitutional Convention.  Had it not
been for the one vote, Kentucky would have entered the Union
a free state.  If it had, Missouri, largely settled by Kentuckians,
would have done likewise.  In that event there probably never
would have been a war between the states.

And closer to home...the Draft Act of World War II...passed in
the House of Representatives...by just one vote.  One vote.
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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread C Davis

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I'm telling ya its exactly where Indiana Jones left it...

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[CTRL] [7] The Great Heroin Coup

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence,  International Fascism
Henrik Kruger
Jerry Meldon, Translator
South End Press©1980
Box 68 Astor Station
Boston, MA 02123
ISBN 0-89608-0319-5
240pps - one edition - out-of-print
Orginally published in Danish
Smukke Serge og Heroien
Bogan 1976
--[7]--

SEVEN
BEAU SERGE, SCOURGE OF THE PARTISANS

The murder of police lieutenant Galibert caused a major sensation in France.
Despite what seemed to be an all-out manhunt, the wily Christian David, aided
by friends, eluded Galibert's colleagues in the antigangster squad. In the
Fetich Club of Neuville-Sur-Ain, outside Lyons, Beau Serge bided his time. A
big-time bordello and haunt of the Guerini clan, the Club was a frequent
rendezvous of David's friends in SAC.

Reportedly, Meme Guerini at first favored delivering his body to the police.
But powerful forces must have intervened, as Mafia bosses were persuaded to
help Beau Serge flee from France.[1]One day in March 1966 a car picked him up
at the Fetich Club and drove him to a Guerini post on the outskirts of
Marseilles.

In early May David sent word to Simone Mauduit, one of his Parisian
mistresses, asking her to fly down to Marseilles with a bundle of money.[2]
From Marseilles David's friend Francois Orsoni drove her to a restaurant on
the road from Cannes to Nice. There she handed Beau Serge the cash and bade
him a fond farewell.[3]

Later that month David was driven to Genoa, Italy, where he boarded a ship
bound for Latin America. A new career in the shadows awaited him. Beau Serge
had with him from Marseilles a letter of introduction to the former French
mafioso and Gestapo collaborator Auguste Ricord. The mobster was then
organizing a major narcotics network that would smuggle heroin from
Marseilles to the U.S.A. via Argentina and Paraguay.

His reputation having preceded him in Latin America, David was welcomed into
the Ricord organization with open arms and soon moved into its highest ranks.
Also part of Beau Serge's reception committee were agents of the SDECE and
SAC. His arrival coincided with a powerful French diplomatic offensive in
Latin America. With the U.S. wading into a quagmire in Indochina and
otherwise preoccupied with the Soviet Union, de Gaulle, and more so Jacques
Foccart, sought to entrench themselves as deeply in Latin America as they had
in Africa.

De Gaulle planned to come on like the Great White Father, the Third World's
only friend, but Foccart felt that wouldn't suffice. He moved several of his
most trusted men from Africa to Latin America. Between 1965 and 1968, for
example, we find the notorious Colonel Roger Barberot as France's ambassador
to Uruguay, and Dominique Ponchardier its man in Bolivia.[4] If anyone stands
for cloaks and daggers it's these two, whose names turn up in a string of
France's most sensitive espionage scandals.

Foccart's men moved where they saw the greatest openings: supporting right
wing forces in a region already in the grip of military dictatorship.
Barberot and Ponchardier offered to help these regimes break the back of left
wing insurgency. For that they needed men without scruples, men like
Christian David.

On arrival in Argentina, David met Francois Chiappe, wanted in France for a
pair of murders. Chiappe, also known as "Big Lips," had worked for the
Guerini mob and was on excellent terms with politicians and right wing
militants in Argentina.[5] He was also a top member of the Ricord
organization.

The Ricord network was divided into four teams that operated independently
out of separate headquarters. Ricord himself ran the main team from Asuncion,
Paraguay, and oversaw the entire operation. Chiappe and Michel Nicoli led
another team, Dominique Orsini and Louis Bonsignour a third, and Andre
Condemine and Lucien Sarti a fourth.[6] Other important names in the
organization were Claude-Andre Pastou, Didier Barone and Michel "Bouboule"
Sans. It was Murder Incorporated in French. Nearly all had been sentenced to
death in France.

Barone, besides belonging to the Felix Lesca gang, had teamed up on art
swindles with the aforementioned CIA agent Fernand Legros and with Legros'
forger, Elmyr de Hory.[7] Pastou is similarly interesting. In December 1968
Enrico Passigli, a weapons-smuggling friend of Christian David's, was
murdered in Rome.[8] Almost simultaneously, Thierry de Bonnay, another close
associate of Legros',[9] died in a mysterious auto accident. Italian police
suspected Pastou in both killings, which were committed while he was on a
trip back to Europe.

The Ricord network operated freely south of the border because its members
helped repressive regimes fight the left and smuggle arms, sometimes
combining the two profitably. While he was helping intelligence groups
infiltrate guerilla movements, Christian David found new customers for his
weapons. The major arms deals, though, were with militant fascist groups in
Argentina and Chile.

Through connections, Chiappe 

[CTRL] [9] The Great Heroin Coup

1999-11-22 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
The Great Heroin Coup - Drugs, Intelligence,  International Fascism
Henrik Kruger
Jerry Meldon, Translator
South End Press©1980
Box 68 Astor Station
Boston, MA 02123
ISBN 0-89608-0319-5
240pps - one edition - out-of-print
Orginally published in Danish
Smukke Serge og Heroien
Bogan 1976
--[9]--

NINE
THE HEROIN TRAILS

As the 1970s began the French were the undisputed kingpins of the
international narcotics traffic. Opium, the raw material, was extracted from
the poppy harvest by the Turks, who either converted it themselves into
morphine base, or sent it to refineries in Syria and Lebanon. Essentially all
morphine base made from Turkish opium went to Marseilles' heroin
laboratories. Until around 1966 it went by sea. But Marseilles' harbor was
too easily patrolled, and so after 1966 roughly 70 percent of the morphine
base went via Bulgaria and Yugoslavia to Munich.

For the first half of this century, most Marseilles heroin was sent to
Tangiers, Morocco, the main embarkation point for drugs bound for the United
States. Tangiers eventually gave way to such European ports as Barcelona,
Lisbon, and Antwerp. In addition some of the heroin went by air.

At the close of the sixties there began what at first resembled a routine
adjustment in the narcotics traffic. As time would show, however, this one
involved such a colossal upheaval, that it might better be described as a
tremendous political coup—yet a coup that apparently went unnoticed. At its
source lay shifts in international politics, and friction between the CIA and
the French SDECE. Later I will support this claim with a myriad of
circumstantial evidence.

The United States, during the first presidential administration of Richard
Nixon, began cracking down on Turkish opium cultivation.

While it slowed the delivery of morphine base to Marseilles, the Corsicans
then — and now — had other sources to tap. They had long been connected
closely with the Chinese Mafia. The latter organized the production of
enormous quantities of opium on the rugged hillsides of the
Burma-Laos-Thailand junction known as the Golden Triangle.[1]

The sale of harvested opium is in the hands of well-organized Chiu Chao
Chinese from the region between Canton and Fukien in southeast China.
Hundreds of thousands of these Chinese emigrated to Southeast Asia, where
they have resisted assimilation and control by local authorities.

The Golden Triangle accounted, until very recently, for some twothirds of the
world's illicit opium production, or 1300 tons of opium annually -enough to
produce 130 tons of heroin at a retail value on the U.S. market of between 50
and 120 billion dollars. Conservative estimates place the yearly heroin
consumption of U.S. addicts between twelve and twenty tons. The New York
street price lies in the neighborhood of $300,000/kilo (1 kilo = 2.2 pounds),
but many pushers dilute the heroin up to three or four times. The same kilo
can then bring in close to $1 million.

A major slice of the profits of organized crime in the U.S. derives from
the wholesaling of illegal drugs. The trafficking of heroin, co-caine,
morphine base, etc., along with marijuana, hash, LSD and other hallucinogens,
yields an annual turnover estimated as high as $75 billion.[2] That is an
enormous sum, even in the context of the U.S. economy.

A very large portion of the U.S. market can be covered by derivatives of
Southeast Asian opium. However, as late as 1969 only Marseilles Frenchmen
produced snow-white heroin in quantities large enough to satisfy the American
market. Obtaining absolutely pure white no. 4 heroin is no easy matter. The
chemist generally ends with sligh[t]ly brownish no. 3 heroin, or "brown
sugar." Though the Chinese Mafia had ample opium, they could not produce no.
4 heroin in sufficient quantities. Excluding them from direct entry onto the
U.S. scene, it limited the Chinese to delivery of raw materials to Marseilles
and sale of second-rate products elsewhere.

In the golden era that culminated, at the start of 1970, with Christian David
joining the Ricord gang hierarchy, Marcel Francisci and Dominique Venturi led
the Corsican Mafia, and Jo Cesari was the wizard of the Marseilles labs. They
were but the visible portion of the iceberg. The other 99 percent was
comprised of politicians and men of responsibility and influence in French
intelligence.

"Mr. Heroin" Francisci was the man with the international perspective, with
direct connections to politicians and the capos of the Italian Mafia. When
international agreements were to be made, Francisci usually did the
negotiating. Venturi and Joseph Orsini were in charge of effectively all drug
import and export.

There were five main heroin export routes to the U.S.A., two by air and three
by sea. The shipping lanes emanated from Barcelona, Lisbon, and Antwerp and
either ended in Brazil/ Paraguay, Haiti and the French West Indies, or went
directly to the east coast of the United States. 

[CTRL] Macedonial Prospects

1999-11-22 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From AntiWar.Com
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/stone2.html

""So far, all outside intervention in the Balkans has led to more not less
ethnic cleansing. The impression created is that, despite the rhetoric, NATO
wants manipulable small, ethnically homogenous states in southeastern Europe.""

{{Begin}}
Macedonia: the Next Balkan Flashpoint
by Christine Stone
British Helsinki Human Rights Group
Special to Antiwar.com
11/22/99
While the war in Chechnya was preoccupying delegates to the OSCE summit in
Istanbul last week another potential crisis was developing in the Balkans. On
14th November the small republic of Macedonia elected a new president, Boris
Trajkovsky. But supporters of the losing candidate Tito Petkovsky – who led by
a considerable margin in the first round of voting cried foul. Since then,
large demonstrations by outraged supporters of the losing candidate have taken
place in the capital Skopje which could continue during the forthcoming visit
of President Clinton.

Macedonia is a strange place, even by Balkan standards. It sought independence
from Yugoslavia in 1991 to distance itself from the Serbian rampage, but
arguments with neighbouring Greece over the country's name and flag persisted
for several years. A substantial Albanian minority in the West of the country
also posed problems. Its more radical members demanded, among other things, the
establishment of a purely Albanian university in the small town of Tetovo.

Nevertheless, under its old Communist president, Kiro Gligorov, and the ruling
SDSM – the Social Democratic Union of Macedonia – the country posed few
problems to the West as it made a hash of peacekeeping in the rest of
Yugoslavia. To many, Macedonia's constitution made ample provision for ethnic
minorities. A moderate Albanian party, the Party of Democratic Prosperity,
(PDP) was also a partner in the government.

The Socialists were defeated in elections held in the Autumn 1998. A coalition
government emerged of a strange hue. The party that led in the polls, VMRO-
DPMNE (the Revolutionary Macedonian Organization) is ultra-nationalist with a
long reputation for violence. European history had been marked by its
extremism, most famously in 1934 when VMRO assassins killed King Alexander of
Yugoslavia in Marseilles. Had the party now changed? It seemed so as it entered
into a coalition with the most radical Albanian party in Macedonia, the
Democratic Party of Albanians (DPA) led by Arben Xhaferi, himself originally an
extreme nationalist from Pristina. This explosive mix was somewhat leavened by
the presence of a moderate party, the Democratic Alternative under Vasil
Tupurkovski, an old Yugoslavia-hand now converted to market reform.

The VMRO candidate for the presidency added a further incongruous element to
this heady brew. Boris Traijkovsky, an Al Gore look-alike, is a Protestant in a
country consisting of Orthodox and Muslim believers plus a healthy component of
atheists. His wholesome appeal – exemplified by an election poster transposing
his name on to a page of the Bible open at Psalm 138 – is somewhat tempered by
the number of black-leather clad young men who swarm around the VMRO party
headquarters in Skopje.

While it is difficult for any normal observer to imagine how this particular
circle could be squared, analysts opined that common sense and harmony had
prevailed in Macedonia's political class – unlike elsewhere in the Balkans.
However, a darker interpretation can be put on these developments.

Back in Autumn 1998 the confrontation in Kosovo was looming. The Americans and
their allies needed pliable governments in the region both for political and
logistical reasons. The previous Macedonian government had been uneasy about
the growing violence in Kosovo and saw its secession from Yugoslavia as a
threat to its own delicate ethnic balance. However, the new government, despite
its radical Macedonian leadership, proved to be more cooperative. As the
conflict intensified in the early months of 1999 Macedonia's role in the events
that were unfolding deepened and by March the country had even signed a
Rambouillet-style agreement, including terms similar to the infamous protocol
that allowed NATO troops free movement around the country.

Everyone remembers the pictures of Kosovan refugees streaming across the border
into Macedonia where they were accommodated in camps near the border crossing
at Blace. But the country received little international kudos. Politicians,
like Britain's Claire Short, condemned Macedonia for its allegedly inhumane
treatment of the refugees. At the same time local farmers had their fields and
buildings confiscated without any thought being given to the economic loss such
people might suffer.

NATO's headquarters at this time were near Skopje but by June when the
'liberation' took place its armies, now known as KFOR, had moved to Kosovo. Six
months later the country is still swarming with NATO troops as well as a medley
of 

Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

1999-11-22 Thread Dano

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Kelly wrote:

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 Kris Millegan wrote:

  Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
  copier techs out there?

A very close friend of mine is a "XEROX" copy machine repair technician.
I will question him thoroughly about this issue and post the results.

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[CTRL] Is Security Stupid ?

1999-11-22 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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"Globalisation" means never having to say you're sorry? AER 

From
http://www.security-policy.org/papers/1999/99-D136.html

{{Begin}}
Publications of the Center for Security Policy
No. 99-D 136

DECISION BRIEF

22 November 1999

'It's U.S. Security, Stupid'
(Washington, D.C.): In 1980, Republican presidential candidate Ronald Reagan
posed a single question with devastating effect for Jimmy Carter's reelection
prospects. He asked voters: "Are you better off today than you were four years
ago?" A majority correctly judged that they were not. Carter was turned out of
office, Reagan was elected and the rest, as they say, is history.

'Are You More Secure Today?'
An interrogatory posing a variation on the theme might prove to have a
similarly decisive impact in Campaign 2000: "Are you more secure today than you
were eight years ago?" Objectively evaluated, the answer is clearly "No." If
Republican candidates do the necessary spadework to educate the electorate
about the Clinton-Gore Administration's significant contribution to that sorry
situation, they have the opportunity to engender substantial popular support
for their cause. Far more importantly, they stand to create a mandate for
changes that will reverse the trend toward greater national and individual
insecurity.

The truth of the matter is that Messrs. Clinton and Gore have squandered the
strongest security policy hand ever dealt one American administration by its
predecessor. Consider the following indicators:

In contrast to 1992 -- when U.S. power and prestige were unrivaled and
universally respected -- both have been substantially dissipated, replaced by
an increasingly hollow military (shades of Jimmy Carter) and suspicion, if not
outright contempt, from friends and adversaries alike.

In 1992, Russia was an aspiring democracy, China a largely irrelevant (albeit
an emerging) power, and every despot on the planet had been shaken by the
United States' thrashing of one of their own, Saddam Hussein. Today, Russia and
China are colluding with each other and every rogue nation to share in ever-
more-dangerous weapons build-ups, to take advantage of the United States'
appalling vulnerability to missile attack and to wage diplo-blackmail campaigns
aimed at preventing the U.S. from ending that vulnerability by deploying
effective missile defenses.

In 1992, America's alliance relations were arguably as strong as ever, with
U.S. leadership and friendship respected and valued in Europe and Asia. Now, in
the wake of sustained unreliability on the part of the Clinton-Gore team --
characterized notably by the appeasement of nations our allies fear most -- the
Japanese, South Koreans, Europeans and even the Israelis are, to varying
degrees, looking out for themselves. In practical terms, that means they are
doing deals with China and/or other potential threats, deals that are unlikely
to be in either their long-term interests or ours.

In 1992, the Western hemisphere was -- with the notable exception of a Cuba
prostrated by the collapse of its Soviet sponsor -- a zone of democratic
transition and promising economic stability. Today, from Colombia to Puerto
Rico, from Venezuela to Mexico and, not least, in strategic Panama, there are
symptoms of serious problems including, to varying degrees: festering political
unrest, widespread corruption, ominous cooperation between narco-traffickers
and Marxist revolutionaries, aliens-, drugs- and arms-smuggling, and Communist
China's political, economic and strategic penetration. Lately, Cuba has found a
new patron in the PRC and is relishing the prospect of additional life-support
from American agricultural and other businesses and an American administration
whose ideologues (like State Department policy planner Morton Halperin) yearn
for a legacy of normalized relations with Fidel.

What Hath Clinton-Gore Wrought
To be sure, not all of these worrying developments are solely the
responsibility of President Clinton, Vice President Gore and the sorry security
policies they have promulgated. That said, the character and conduct of the
American government during the past nearly eight years has contributed markedly
to each of these problems.

Of particular concern is the Administration's proclivity for relying upon deals
-- "peace processes," arms control pacts, trade agreements, etc. -- that are
generally not worth the paper upon which they are written. Mrs. Arafat's blood
libel against Israel is just the most recent sign that President Clinton has
assiduously encouraged the Jewish State to rest its security on a house of
cards. China is already walking back the terms of its bilateral trade accord,
just a taste of what is to come if it actually is admitted to the World Trade
Organization.

The most recent, and one of the most egregious, examples of the phenomenon is
the new Conventional Forces in Europe agreement. The United States and nearly
three score other countries signed up to the updated CFE treaty 

[CTRL] Copiers used to Track us? Maybe!

1999-11-22 Thread Dano

 -Caveat Lector-

 Kris Millegan wrote:

  Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee? Any
  copier techs out there?

The answer from a Xerox repair technician is, "I don't know if that is being done
but with a digital color copy machine, IT IS POSSIBLE."

There you have it folks.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Mexico update/action request 11-21-99

1999-11-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





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MEXICO UPDATE / ACTION REQUEST
posted November 21, 1999

In this alert:
Congeladora del Rio update
Action request
Background
Upcoming events: WTO, Gap, Season of Conscience
Corrections
Sweatshop activist organizing packet


CONGELADORA DEL RIO UPDATE

Message from the FAT (Frente Autentico de Trabajadores - Authentic Workers
Front)
sent November 19, 1999

[Translation provided by United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of
America (UE)]

To all of our friends:

As we advised you in our last update, a meeting recently took place in Leon
between representatives of the company, the union and the state government
in which the company gave its word of honor that it would begin re-hiring
the fired workers as of November 15th. The events of the past week are as
follows:

On the 15th of November, approximately 80 workers presented themselves at
the plant for work in accordance with the agreement. They were informed by
the company that there was no fruit available yet. Faced with the
insistence of the workers, Mr. Ovalle (who is said to be very close to
Arthur Price) asked them to wait while he made some phone calls to
strawberry producers. He returned at 11:00 am and instructed them to return
at 1:00 pm on Wednesday, November 17th, as he had been promised that
strawberries would be delivered that morning.

On Wednesday, the workers again presented themselves at the time which had
been indicated. After they had waited at the entrance to the plant, a minor
management employee came out and told them that the union in the plant had
selected 15 workers who would be permitted to enter and to begin work. The
workers rejected this proposal, arguing that this had not been the
understanding, and made a phone call to Lic. Gustavo Rodriguez, the
representative of the State government, in order to tell him what had just
occurred. Lic. Rodriguez offered to call the company, agreeing that this
had not been the understanding.

Lic. Rodriguez later called to inform us that there would be a meeting at
the plant at 9:00 the following morning. Although the FAT's representative,
Antonio Velazquez, appeared, he was excluded from the meeting. After the
meeting, the government representative asked Antonio Velazquez for a
complete list of all of the workers who were interested and available to
return to work. The list was completed yesterday [November 18]. It has been
provided to Lic. Rodriguez and he was to present it today. It is to be
hoped that we will know on Monday [November 22] if there will be production
and the workers will be re-hired.

The information we have is that in fact there has been little fruit
available because the cold in Guanajuato during recent weeks has delayed
the strawberry harvest. The company has not been able to work complete
shifts, but there has been some work and the company is trying to buy
strawberries from the state of Michoacan.

It would be helpful if you would write to the authorities of the state of
Guanajuato, indicating that you are aware of the recent events, expressing
appreciation for the steps taken by Lic. Rodriguez and sating that you are
hopeful that he will be able to effect a satisfactory resolution to this
dispute.

Please receive our warm fraternal greetings and appreciation for the
solidarity you have shown us.

Benedicto Martinez O.
General Secretary, FAT


ACTION REQUEST

Please copy, sign and email or fax the following letter to Governor Ramon
Martin Huerta and Lic. Antonio Obreson Padilla (authorities of the state of
Guanajuato, Mexico) and send the signature information below (not this
entire alert!) to Campaign for Labor Rights by email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or fax
(541) 431-0523:

I have sent the letter to Governor Ramon Martin Huerta and Lic. Antonio
Obreson Padilla.
NAME:
CITY  STATE (or COUNTRY if not U.S.):
ORGANIZATION (if applicable):


Governor Ramon Martin Huerta
Guanajuato, Mexico
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Fax: 001-47-31-12-55
and
Lic. Antonio Obreson Padilla
Guanajuato, Mexico
Email: same as above
Fax: 011-47-31-12-96

Dear Governor Ramon Martin Huerta and Lic. Antonio Obreson Padilla:

I have been informed of the events at Congeladora del Rio in recent months.
I want to begin by expressing my appreciation for the important role your
government has played in attempting to resolve this conflict. I am aware
that, in a meeting which was arranged by your government, the company
agreed to rehire all of the fired workers beginning on November 15th. I am
also aware that the company has failed to do so, initially stating that
there was no fruit and later that 

[CTRL] Fwd: [EWAR] SPOOKFEST '99

1999-11-22 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





Kinda late, but still current:

FYI: UPCOMING INTELLIGENCE EVENTS (mostly in the Washington area)

NOV 14-18 (Anaheim, California)
Assoc of Old Crows annual convention and symposium
http://www.aochq.org/

NOV 18, Thursday, 11am
NMIA Potomac Chapter luncheon, Bolling AFB EM Club, 11am.  Speaker will
be Dr Mark Lowenthal, former Staff Director of HPSCI and former
DepAsstSecState for intelligence (INR) who has just an new textbook on
intelligence,
"INTELLIGENCE: From Secrets to Policy," CQ Press, 1999.

NOV 18-20 (College Station, Texas)
CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence and the Bush School of
Government and Public Service are sponsoring a conference on "US
Intelligence and the End of the Cold War" on 18-20 November 1999 at
Texas AM University. Among the 35 outstanding speakers featured at the
conference are
President George Bush, George Tenet, James Baker, Brent Scowcroft,
Robert Gates, Richard Cheney, Oleg Kalugin, Arnold Kanter, Allen
Weinstein and Thomas Powers.  BY INVITATION ONLY.  Ccontact Susan
Mathews at: Center for Presidential Studies, Bush School of Government
and Public Service
phone - 409 862-8845, e-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

DEC 1, Wednesday all day
NMIA Conference on Counterintelligence, Ft Meyer, Virginia
http://www.nmia.org

DEC 2, Thursday all day
NMIA conference on intelligence, DIS '99, Ft Meyer, Virginia.
http://www.nmia.org

DEC 1, Wednesday
IALEIA Fall Conference "Law Enforcement Intelligence Analysis,"
Marymount University Conference Center, Ballston Campus,
Arlington, VA(www.intelweb.org).

DEC 6, Monday
AFIO Winter luncheon, Ft Meyer O'Club, 11am - 2pm.
http://www.afio.com  /  703.790.0320

DEC 7, Tuesday, 9am to 1pm
Conference on returning four-star rank to Admiral Husband E.
Kimmel, the Pacific Fleet commander at Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941;
9am -1pm. All star cast. Admission by invitation; call CAPT Todd
Creekman, USN (Ret), Executive
Director, Naval Historical Foundation, 202 678-4333; fax 202 889-3565.

DEC 9, Thursday, 10am - 1pm
NMIA Potomac Chapter luncheon, Bolling AFB EM Club,
10am former CIA imagery expert, Dino Brugioni, speaking on his new book,

"Photo Fakery"  Luncheon speaker, Col Phil Ishio, USA-ret, speaking on
captured documents exploitation in WWII Pacific theater.

JAN 20, 2000, Thursday, 11am - 1pm
NMIA Potomac Chapter luncheon, Bolling AFB EM Club, 11am.  Speaker will
be Dr Ruth David, former CIA DDST and now President and CEO of ANSER,
speaking on "Homeland Defense."
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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread nessie

 -Caveat Lector-

It mattersits a way to communicate with the gods or God.

If you need a box to talk to them, they aren't gods.

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Re: [CTRL] [SC] Re: Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-22 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Hilary A. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  # Tape: Call on JFK wasn't Oswald. WASHINGTON (AP) Hours after
  Pres. Kennedy was assassinated, FBI agents reportedly listened to
  a tape of a phone call that a man identifying himself as "Lee
  Oswald" had placed to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City. They made
  a startling discovery: The voice on the tape was not Oswald's...
  only now have new details about the tape come to light. CIA said
  years ago that the tapes on which it recorded the call were erased.
  Documents released in recent years said otherwise.

 And bets on the date the press release will come out stating that the
 above information is incorrect?

That depends on when the next necessity arises. I suspect that Dubbwa's
campaign is a factor.  It'd be interesting to analyze voiceprints, see
just who made that call, eh?  But even an identification there may only
be more disinfo, to throw pursuers off the track.

  # Phone-sex operator wins masturbation injury claim. The woman,
  40, said she developed carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands from
  masturbating as often as 7 times daily doing hot-chat with callers.
  ... http://news.excite.com/news/r/991119/13/fl-life-phonesex

 I'm speechless...

Say it with dactylics.

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[CTRL] Fw: [Chitchatline] More virus warnings IMPORTANT

1999-11-22 Thread Rory Winter

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 7:51 PM
Subject: [Chitchatline] More virus warnings IMPORTANT


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





4 very serious warnings
 
   WARNING No. 1
If you receive any CELCOM Screen Saver. Pls. do not
install it!!  This screensaver is very cool. It
shows a NOKIA handphone, with time messages.  After it
   is activated, the PC cannot boot up at all.  It goes  very slow.  It
 destroys your hard disk.  The filename
   is CELLSAVER.EXE
 
WARNING No. 2
   Beware! if someone named SandMan asks you to check
out his page. DO NOT! It is at
www.geocities.com/vienna/6318
 http://www.geocities.com/vienna/6318
This page hacks into your C:\drive.DO NOT GO THERE...
FOWARD THIS MAIL TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.
 
Warning No. 3
SEND THIS TO EVERYONE IN YOUR CONTACT LIST! THIS
IS NO JOKE,OK?
WARNING: If you get an E-mail titled : "Win A Holiday"
DO NOT open it.   Delete it immediately. Microsoft
   just
announced yesterday.  It is a malicious virus that
WILL ERASE YOUR HARD DRIVE.  At this time there is no
   remedy.  Forward this to everyone IMMEDIATELY!!
  Warning No. 4
  W A R N I N G ! ! ! ! ! ! !
 
   If you receive an e-mail  titled JOIN THE CREW or PENPALS DO NOT
 open it!   It will erase
 EVERYTHING on your hard drive! PENPAL  appears to be a friendly letter
 asking you if you are interested in a penpal.but by the time you
read
 this letter it is TOO late.  The Trojan horse virus will have already
 infected the boot sector of your harddrive, destroying all the data
 present. It is a
self-replicating virus, and once the message is read it will
 AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone who's e-mail address is present
in
 your box!!!  This virus will destroy your hard drive and holds the
 potential  to DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your box
 and whose mail is in their box and so on and on!! So delete any
 message titled PENPAL or JOIN THE CREW this virus can do major DAMAGE to
 worldwide  networks
 
PLEASE PASS THIS ALONG TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS AND PEOPLE
IN YOUR MAILBOXES.
 
AOL HAS SAID THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS VIRUS AND THERE
IS NO REMEDY FOR THIS YET.
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Re: [CTRL] Cairo angered by US 'whitewash' to save Boeing

1999-11-22 Thread sno0wl

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On 22 Nov 99, at 7:06, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Curiously, last night NBC aired Goldeneye--the James Bond thriller
 about the electromagnetic pulse weapon. It's an oldey but kind of
 confirms its existence. What was even more curious was that it wasn't
 on any of my TV schedules.

 And to add to the curiosity factor, wasn't a thriller based on Y2K the
 movie that WAS scheduled?  Did NBC black out the Y2K movie in all
 markets, or just a few...?

No, Goldeneye appeared on Saturday. Y2K was on Sunday nite.
sno0wl

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[CTRL] AF News 23 Nov 99

1999-11-22 Thread Bill Richer

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!


992127.  Commentary:  Recognizing military families

by Army Gen. Henry H. Shelton
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

WASHINGTON (AFPN) -- Nov. 21 to 28, our nation acknowledges the special
demands that military life imposes on the families of those who serve in
uniform.

This recognition is well deserved and comes at a high price.  Family members
endure numerous moves, the long working hours of loved ones, and frequent
separations -- partings that often include the risk of death, injury or
capture at the hands of an enemy.  Moreover, they often do this far from
their extended families.

Our spouses and children bear these burdens out of a sense of patriotism as
strong as those of us in the military.  In doing so, they provide a source
of strength, and contribute to making America's military the best in the
world.  We simply could not achieve this high level of excellence without
safe, secure, happy and productive military families.

This week provides an opportunity to acknowledge the personal sacrifices
that take place every day within our local military communities and to thank
our families for supporting us, as well as for their dedicated service to
our nation.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff and I join every American in paying tribute to
America's military families for all that they have done and continue to do
for our country.  Their support of our nation's service members makes a
difference for America and the world.

May God bless you and your family, and may God bless America.

992127a.jpg and 992127a.gif
A portrait of Army Gen. Henry H. Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff.  For more Air Force Art, visit http://www.af.mil/art.  (Air Force
illustration)


992128.  Not a pretty job, but somebody has to do it

by Senior Airman Matt Summers
39th Air Expeditionary Squadron Public Affairs

DUZCE, Turkey (AFPN) -- "It's not glamorous, but it's a show-stopper."

That's how Col. Lawrence Riddles, 39th Air Expeditionary Squadron medical
representative from Incirlik Air Base, Turkey, described the importance of
proper sanitation for the more than 40,000 families left homeless in
Turkey's Bolu region in the wake of country's second major earthquake in
three months.

"We are looking for a simple, yet durable plan for the disposal of both
solid and liquid waste," said Riddles, a native of Scarsdale, N.Y.  "If you
don't supply centralized waste disposal, people go where they can ...
bushes, trees and parks ... and this just sets up a site for diseases
carried mainly by flies."

Riddles added that although the cold weather here has killed off most flies,
sufficient numbers still remain to be a potential problem.

In the town of Duzce alone, 50 tent cities have sprung up with approximately
5,000 residents, according to local officials.  As of Nov. 18, none of the
tent cities had latrines. Those displaced by the quake are using restroom
facilities at the city's 20 mosques and other community buildings, which
received only minor damage. From an international public health standpoint,
the ratio of persons to latrines should be somewhere near 20 to one,
according to Capt. Alexandria Niewijk, 39th AES public health
representative.

The 39th AES medical team estimates there is a need for 3,400 field latrines
in the cities of Duzce, Kaynasli and Bolu.

Humanitarian relief workers are looking to find suitable facilities quickly.
Duzce has been without running water since the quake and officials have no
way of telling whether or not the sewer system if fully functional,
according to Master Sgt. Ruben Branch, 39th AES utilities technician.

A forecast of rain and snow within the next 10 days has local officials
asking for more permanent or contained disposal systems as opposed to slit
latrines, or simply holes in the ground, according to Niewijk.

"Local officials don't want temporary facilities but want to connect to the
existing sewer system," she said.  "They fear precipitation will cause slit
latrines to overflow and create health problems."

The 39th AES medical team evaluated several tent cities and found at least
one in Kaynasli utilizing a septic tank-based system designed jointly by
United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund and Turkish
contractors. These durable field latrines are expected to be in place for at
least six to 12 months until more permanent housing can be found for
residents, according to local officials.

"Cost is a negative, but there are several advantages to this system," said
the Fort Wayne, Ind., native, of the durable latrines. "One advantage is
that the system can be transported and used again near the prefabricated
houses soon to be constructed by the Turkish government for earthquake
victims."

Riddles said the military's experience with living in field conditions is a
definite advantage when it comes to accessing sanitation needs.

"We do a pretty good job of waste disposal 

[CTRL] Troubled Times: Martial Law

1999-11-22 Thread Bill Richer

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WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!

EO -- Executive Order
 Unclassifed - Distractions
PDD -- Presidential Decision Directives
   Classified - Distractions
NSD -- National Security Directives
Top Secret (Congressional Review)
NSDD -- National Security Decision Directives
  Above Top Secret (No Congressional Review)

The germ of destruction of our nation is in
the power of the judiciary, an irresponsible
body - working like gravity by night and by
day, gaining a little today and a little
tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step
like a thief over the field of jurisdiction, until
all shall render powerless the checks of one
branch over the other and will become as
venal and oppressive as the government
from which we separated."
 -- Thomas Jefferson, 1821
http://www.fa-ir.org/ai/beginopen.htm

 SUBJECT:   Presidential Powers To Use the U.S.
 Armed Forces To Control Potential
 Civilian Disturbance
http://www.wjopc.com/constitutional/memopres.html

Capital Directory
http://legislators.com/congressorg2/capdir.html

WHITE HOUSE PUBLICATIONS (EO'S PDD'S NSDD ETC.)
http://www.pub.whitehouse.gov/WH/Publications/html/Publications.html
Presidential Directives and Executive Orders
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/direct.htm#eo
PDD 63 - WHITE PAPER
http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/EOP/NSC/html/NSCDoc3.html
EXECUTIVE ORDERS BY JOHN KENNEDY
http://www.lib.umich.edu/libhome/Documents.center/jfkeo/exonum.htm
EXECUTIVE ORDERS YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT
http://www.gold.globalcenter.net/executiveorders.html
EXECUTIVE ORDER 13083
http://www.uhuh.com/nobypass/eo13083/list13083.htm
Executive Orders Ushering in Socialist Dictatorship
http://thewinds.org/archive/government/executive_orders07-98.html
Executive Order 13083 = Death of Article X
http://www.tricor.net/~myfirst/Federalism.htm
EO 13083 It was a delayed explosion
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-07/16/139l-071698-idx.html
Stop this unlawful Government
http://www.executiveorders.org

Subject:RESOLVE TO CONQUER OR DIE TRYING
   Date:Tue, 26 Oct 1999 13:57:50 -0500
   From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED]

"The time is now near at hand which must probably determine whether
Americans are to be free men or slaves, whether they are to have any
property they can call their own, whether their houses and farms are to
be pillaged and destroyed and themselves confined to a state of
wretchedness from which no human efforts will deliver them.  The fate of
unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage of this
army.  Our cruel and unrelenting enemy leaves us only the choice of
brave resistance or the most abject submission.  We have, therefore, to
resolve to conquer or die." -- George Washington

USMC forcing recruits to sign deadly force affadavits
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a382e38a022a0.htm

From: "Dr. Byron Weeks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was just told this by an agent of the Gov. Faction 3

Doc,

I was told by a Sheriff friend in a county in the state
of Michigan that this national sheriff association he
belongs to had informed the many sheriffs that the
federal government had been training and deputizing
certain gangs and their members for gun confiscation
for the first or second week in December.  The association
tells all sheriffs that counties are sovereign, and the federal
government must work through the sheriff.  Don't let
them in is the word.

I wouldn't worry about the whole thing, as everyone
in the country would be up in arms and fighting.  The only
way it would be trouble if the communication links broke
down and people didn't know it was happening all over the
country.

Unbekannter
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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] PJB Speech at Cato Institute

1999-11-22 Thread Bill Richer

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!


Dear Brigade,

"The true third way is a New Americanism that puts America first, but “goes
not abroad in search of monsters to destroy,” that defends America’s
freedom, frontiers, citizens, security, and vital interests, but harbors no
desire to impose our vision on any other people..." -- PJB

GO PAT GO!
Linda

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A New Americanism - by Patrick J. Buchanan
The Cato Institute - Washington, DC
November 22, 1999

   Last month, the Senate rejected the Comprehensive Test
   Ban Treaty. The U.S. nuclear arsenal that had deterred
   Stalin’s empire, the Senate said, must be regularly tested
   for reliability and to reduce the destructive power of
   these awesome and awful weapons.

   The Senate was right. But to an enraged President, this
   was a vindictive vote to rob him of a legacy. He lashed
   out. The Senate, Mr. Clinton said, has embraced a “new
   isolationism” that seeks to “bury our heads in the sand
   behind a wall.” A 4000-word tirade against the “New
   Isolationism” by Samuel Berger quickly followed.

   As I have been called, among other names, America’s
   leading isolationist, my first thought was that he was
   giving me credit for his defeat. But what we are
   witnessing here is something more sinister, a resort by
   Mr. Clinton to a malicious libel to intimidate and silence
   any who would interfere with his globalist agenda.

   And as one who supported every great foreign policy
   initiative from Kennedy to Reagan, I reject the isolationist
   label, especially when made by those whose spent their
   youthful careers marching against the Cold War policies
   that brought us victory.

   America has never been an isolationist nation. “No
   president or national party in the entire history of the
   United States...ever advocated isolating the United States
   from the rest of the world,” writes historian Wayne Cole.
   Historian Walter McDougall calls the term isolationist
   “but a dirty word that interventionists, especially since
   Pearl Harbor, hurl at anyone who questions their
   policies.”

   Why did Mr. Clinton revert to it? To divert attention from
   his lost opportunity to shape a foreign policy that might
   endure in our post-Cold War world. Where Truman and
   Acheson succeeded, Clinton, like Wilson, has failed.

   His first attempt at interventionism and nation-building
   was the bloody debacle in Somalia. His embargo of Haiti
   and invasion proved ruinous to the people of that
   impoverished island, with no appreciable benefit to our
   Haitian neighbors or their quality of life. To divert
   attention from a personal scandal, the President fired
   missiles at a poison gas factory in Sudan. It now appears
   to have been an innocent pharmaceutical plant. Perhaps
   Mr. Clinton, who was apologizing for yet another of his
   predecessors’ foreign policy sins, might wish to apologize
   for one of his own.

   Consider our relationship with Russia. Ten years ago,
   Ronald Reagan was being toasted in Moscow. Today, the
   prevailing wind is anti-Americanism. Not our fault, the
   Clintonites say. But who broke America’s word to the
   Russians that if they withdrew the Red Army from
   Eastern Europe, we would not move NATO an inch closer
   to their frontiers?

   And what reaction do we expect when we collude with
   two former Soviet republics, Georgia and Azerbaijan, to
   build a pipeline to cut Russia out of the oil of the Caspian
   and ship it to her ancient enemy, Turkey? When enraged
   Russian generals charge us with meddling in the
   Caucasus, do they not have a point?

   That photo of the President in Istanbul, smiling broadly
   as the oil treaty was toasted, while his Energy Secretary
   crowed about our “victory,” was a provocation. Be
   assured: Russian nationalists are surely even now plotting
   to overturn Mr. Clinton’s “victory.” Mr. Clinton’s
   successes have been in Northern Ireland and the Middle
   East, where America assumed the role of peacemaker,
   rather than military interventionist. That is the role the
   greatest nation on earth should play, one ordained in the
   Sermon on the Mount.

   But our Republican elites are even more bellicose. It was
   his own Republicans who berated President Bush for not
   marching on Baghdad and establishing a “MacArthur
   Regency,” Republicans who urged air strikes on the North
   Korean nuclear facilities, thus risking a second Korean
   War. It was Republicans who denounced Clinton for not
   sending 200,000 U.S. troops into Belgrade. And it was a
   Republican Governor of Texas who complained that our
   war on Serbia was not being prosecuted “ferociously”
   enough. And it is Republicans who seem to lust most
   ardently for a new Cold War. In President Bush’s final
   year in 

Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-22 Thread C Davis

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Ummm...right

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Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?

1999-11-22 Thread Linda Minor

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I think it has to do with laws protecting copyrighted material, among other
things.  They will reject Olan Mills photos or other studios that use a
photographic paper that has a watermark imprinted on the back.  That
happened to me 2 or 3 years ago at Office Max.

Linda

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?


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  I agree that measures should be taken to put a stop to counterfeiting but
at the same time, it seems you give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
In other words, I would guess this wouldn't be used to only track
counterfeiters... Maybe even track those who copy information contrary to
the Elitist point of view and so on and soforth...

Jamie

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Kris Millegan wrote:

 Can this be confirmed? Is this a true statement by the kinko employee?
Any
 copier techs out there?

Isn't it part of the mandate of the Secret Service to investiagte
counterfiting?  I remember when the colour copiers came out there were
problems with people photocopying money.  So perhaps this "invisible
code" is a means of tracking down criminals if they attempt to pass off
'funny money'?

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] CHINA LAUNCHES CRAFT INTO SPACE!

1999-11-22 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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:)

Mr LEES TAKEAWAY
DISTANCE NO OBJECT :)

stir fry chupacabra
leg of zeta in chilisauce
pineal noodles - aryan style

and a pint of star fire

 to go to ZETA RETICULII

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Re: [CTRL] WARES GAME: CREATURES FROM THE DEEP

1999-11-22 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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The love fish creatures are visible in large urban areas in public seen
on the pavement as small and large spots of tar.  After pimps obtain the
creatures and the pearls (which may be a specialized pill or long-life drug
for some) they often toss the creature away.  And the creature dies usually
on the pavement.  The tar spots are visible on sidewalks throughout drug
territories and throughout all large cities in the U.S.  The spots range in
size from ½" to 5-6" in diameter.  When dried out they stick to the pavement
like glue or epoxy and while considered by some to be thrown away gum or tar
from the streets, this is simply not the case. The Manhattan subway system is
littered with the remains of these love fish, even 3-4 levels underground
where no tar exists.

I'd probably go for the gum theory myself - but my mate dave Moncoeur IS
undergoing bits of the process you describe - and when I stayed the night
in his flat - found myself being scanned and interfered with from what I
would call an 'astral' point of view - I walked home 10 miles across the
city rather than stay the rest of the night there - and I am not easily
spooked - but
when I felt someone or something grab my 'inner etheric body' and saw some
sort of scanner thing over me  I had had enough.
The beings responsible looked human - had triangular symbolism - and - just
in my opinion were MIB stuff.

I posted daves story and website recently to the list.

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Re: [CTRL] Assoc. of Old Crows 1999 Electronic Warfare Award recipients

1999-11-22 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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hi,

Think I'd get the prize implant for PR ??

Andrew

Presented to recognize individuals and units that have furthered the aims of
The Association of Old Crows in support of The United States or Allied
Electronic Warfare.

Gold Medal of EW – Honorable Arthur of Camelot

Silver Award – Sir Laurence . Gardner

Business Development
Government Marilyn Munroe
Industry Guy Fox
Clark Kent C2 Warfare  Thomas Aquinas
Communications MSgt Scott Joplin, USAF
Defensive Information Warfare  Maj Robin Hood, USA .AS OLE
Directed Energy Gerald Frankenstein
EO/IR  Elizabeth Taylor
Executive Management
Government  Tony Bair
Industry Milton Cooper
Information Operations Mark Twain
Integrated Product Team  ANUS/R.US -50 B.UM
Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance S. Dean Martin
International Achievement  James Tit
Joint Service - US - SPLIFF
USA Lester Weforget
USAF Captain Dick Tracey sex Swope
USN Cmdr Joan Collins
US.MAD Maj Mark Rarebum
Joseph W. Blarney Pioneer Walter Camp Belle @ AFB
Maintenance and Alimony Prince Edward
Management Lt Col Sam Slinky Neal, USAF BU
Modelling  Stimulation Alan Hansen
Navigation Warfare Steven Grope
Offensive Information Warfare Maj Richard Simple
Operations Lt Col Dennis Chiffon, USAF
Radio Frequency John Goolies
Research  Development Dr. James Tsu Nami
Test and Evaluation Richard Belch
Training for Big Cheeses
Academic  Capt Thomas Stilton, USAF
Readiness Lt HM Prince Charles III Kings R.US
1999 Outstanding Nitwit Awards
Army  The 103rd Military Intelligence (MI) Battalion ONE TWO THREE (FAQ -123)
Navy  Electronic Attack Squadron ONE FOUR TWO (VAQ-142) [2nd Prize
ascending order competition]
Marines 2nd Radio DJ Battlion
Air Force  Area 53 Electronic Warfare Coup detat
Joint Service  Joint Command and Control Cannabis Distribution Centre CIA
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[CTRL] Freemasons Set to Reveal Secrets on the Net:

1999-11-22 Thread earthman

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All these revelations just keep on coming

Peter

From another list..
Hi There!

I saw this on the Sightings site, and thought you might be
interested, re: "Freemasons Set to Reveal Secrets on the Net":
http://www.sightings.com/politics5/secrethandshake_p.htm
http://www.wrprovince.co.uk

Love and Light;
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[CTRL] Russia, National; Guard and Latvian Bank

1999-11-22 Thread earthman

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Hi just thought I would send this on from another list..Anyone know about
any of these??
Oi and don't worry about dissing this.. I am just looking for
confirmations..
Peter
PS...wtg Per;)

Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 4:54 PM


Hi Ken:
yes ..something is going on...I think it may have to do with something in
Russia A friend of mines brother-n-law was working in Russia..do not know
details but he e-mailed his ex-wife to tell her that all civilians had been
ordered to leave Russia. This was about 2 weeks ago. Also heard via an
e-mail list that The National Guard has been called out or put on alert for
the Seattle area..between Nov.24-Jan-2. Could be y2k thing; but if we were
being wary of an attack it would be on the west coast. And finally, an
investment of mine that was involved with a Latvian Bank has had the bank
account inaccessible for no reason given; except that authorities are
investigating it. Something is going on.
My feeling though..is that a "shift" in the balance of power here is going
on. People are waking up in unprecedented numbers due largely to the work of
people like Icke and Per Sewen. As people are awakening..the mind-control is
having less of a"mass" effect..and a paradigm shift is happening. Like Icke
is saying..."we will win". I am getting this as of late.
and we will win ..


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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-22 Thread Tenorlove

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  I'm speechless...

Me too. At the woman's stupidityShe couldn't pretend over the
phone? I mean, unless they had picture chat or something... ugh
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Re: [CTRL] Troubled Times: Martial Law

1999-11-22 Thread Bob Plante

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None of these links are working, can you check them out and send an update
with the correct url's.
thanks

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