[CTRL] Diskgate--Washington Times (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- EDITORIAL March 30, 2000 Diskgate The latest White House scandal has just taken a very curious turn. The scandal in question is, of course, the failure to provide, as required by law, several thousand subpoenaed e-mail messages relating to numerous other White House scandals to several congressional committees, independent counsel Kenneth Starr and the Justice Department's campaign-finance task force. As Jerry Seper and Andrew Cain of The Washington Times reported Wednesday, a computer "zip disk," which is a sophisticated floppy-like disk with expanded storage space, suddenly arrived at the White House on March 17. The mysterious disk happens to contain e-mail messages that former intern Monica Lewinsky sent to two White House workers during and after the time she was carrying on with President Clinton. On March 17 the in-house counsel of Northrop Grumman, the firm that manages the White House's computer systems, turned the "zip disk" over to the Executive Office of the President, which, as of last Friday, had not yet reviewed its contents. The "zip disk's" mysterious appearance at the White House occurred one week after Justice Department investigators contacted the White House about the missing e-mails. That contact occurred three weeks after The Washington Times first reported that more than 100,000 e-mail messages sent between August 1996 and November 1998 were never properly archived by the White House and, thus, were not found in the normal computer searches the White House conducted in efforts to comply with the various subpoenas. The "zip disk" also arrived at the White House six days before Robert Haas, the computer technician who compiled it and who turned it over to Northrop Grumman's corporate counsel, told Chairman Dan Burton of the House Government Reform Committee that he "never saved [any e-mail search responses or records] on a zip drive for anybody." Betty Lambuth, a White House computer colleague of Mr. Haas, had testified in a civil lawsuit that Mr. Haas had told her that thousands of the missing e-mails involved Filegate, Travelgate, campaign finance, Miss Lewinsky and other White House scandals. At the House hearing last week, Mr. Haas denied doing so, just as he denied saving any records on a zip drive. But Mr. Haas did confirm Mrs. Lambuth's assertion that White House officials threatened them and others with imprisonment if they revealed the missing e-mails to anyone, including their spouses and superiors. Some messages on the "zip disk" included e-mails Miss Lewinsky sent to her friends Ashley Raines and Betty Currie, the president's personal secretary, while Miss Raines and Mrs. Currie were testifying before a federal grand jury investigating the president. Other messages on the "zip disk" were e-mails sent by Miss Lewinsky to Miss Raines in 1996 and 1997, while the affair was actually taking place. Mr. Haas compiled the e-mails that are on the "zip disk" in 1998, but it is not known when he handed the disk to Northrop Grumman's counsel. Part of the White House's computer glitch was first identified in January 1998, the month the Lewinsky scandal erupted. A computer search at the time failed to turn up many of Miss Lewinsky's e-mails to her friends. The full extent of the problem was not discovered by White House computer technicians until May 1998. Senior White House
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 1/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- The True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 1/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy1.html Former military intelligence remote viewer David Morehouse shares his insights into accessing multi-dimensional reality, and reveals disturbing details on the downing of TWA Flight 800. Part 1 Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 4, #5 (August-September 1997). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com ©1997 All Rights Reserved by Uri Dowbenko An Interview with David Morehouse Remote Viewing Technologies 64 Whitman Street, Suite 1A Carteret, NJ 07008, USA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INSIDE THE US MILITARY'S 'MIND WARS' PROGRAMS In a top-secret hidden location on a US Army base, men and women working for the CIA prepare to "fall" into the fourth dimension. It's an all-grey room-walls, carpet, furniture, everything. Baroque music plays while they recline, relaxing, preparing to enter an altered state of consciousness. What they're about to do is access the time-space continuum in a technique known as "remote viewing". When the brain registers the theta-wave state on the monitoring equipment, they are ready to "jump into the ether", in the words of David Morehouse, author of Psychic Warrior: Inside the CIA's Stargate Program [see review, NEXUS 4/02]. Science fiction? Not at all. This is advanced technology pioneered by esteemed scientists, laser physicists like Dr Targ and Dr Puthoff, at the Stanford Research Institute in the 1970s. More recently, the program was developed by the US Government's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). This top-secret psychic warfare program was called Project Scangate, then Operation Sun Streak, then Operation Stargate. Morehouse's controllers euphemistically described it as an "intelligence collection method". Bypassing internal bureaucratic and congressional oversight, they were called "Special Access Programs" or "SAPs"-a cellular approach to organisation, compartmentalising all activities which might put the Pentagon in a bad light as well as providing a rationale for "plausible denial". MAPPING THE TIME-SPACE CONTINUUM The ability to access the "heaven" worlds and other dimensions has been the gift of David Morehouse's life. Likewise, it has been his bane or curse. Why? Because he also has the ability to access what could accurately be called "hell": a netherworld containing the most sordid episodes in the history of mankind. For example, as a training exercise, Morehouse was sent back to the Dachau death camps of Nazi Germany in the 1940s. Imagine what that was like. Morehouse had to live with the vivid memories and sense impressions of his experience for months thereafter. So how does remote viewing work? How do you tap into the unconscious mind, the time-space continuum? According to David Morehouse, remote viewing is a description of "...travel going from the physical dimension to the target, wherever it is in time and space. If you're moving backward in time, if you're travelling through the ether, you're actually tying into the unconscious mind, so you're going backwards or forwards. I have always referred to it as the time-space continuum, essentially part of, or one and the same as, the ether." So is the ether the medium upon which you travel? "No. It's a misnomer," continues Morehouse. "You're not really travelling. It's like folding space. You are travelling, but you're not moving. Does that make sense?" Well, not really. Something is going somewhere, you would think. Morehouse again tries to explain. "If you have access to the unconscious mind, you have free range of the time-space continuum. It is tied into all humanity, or the whole universe, or perhaps other universes and other dimensions. At the same time, it has an individual aspect in that it is willing and wanting a connection with the conscious mind." One of the biggest problems in communicating this experience seems to be the relative inadequacy of language. In other words, how do you express 4D concepts, experiences and phenomena in 3D language? Obviously, a new nomenclature is needed which can a represent a reality that is beyond the box of ordinary three-dimensional consensus reality. So, then, what is the difference between an "altered" state and a so-called "normal" state? "We're conversing in beta state," says Morehouse. "When you lie down tonight, you'll drop down into alpha. Then you'll drop into a theta-wave state. In theta-wave state, it appears that the conduits become open. It's called the 'thought incubation state', a time when that 'limen' which separates the conscious mind from the
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 2/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 2/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy1.html As described in Michael Talbot's book, The Holographic Universe, they considered another way of looking at the world: "Our brains mathematically construct objective reality by interpreting frequencies that are ultimately projections from another dimension, a deeper order of existence that is beyond time and space. The brain is a hologram enfolded in a holographic universe." Talbot's book is an invaluable introduction to the paradigm. This model also shows the interconnectedness of the so-called physical and metaphysical worlds, how various non-physical phenomena and states of consciousness, mystical states of awareness, out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences can co-exist and interact with one another. Even prophecy or forecasting the future can be described using this model, vis-à-vis Puthoff's and Targ's precognitive remote-viewing experiments; in other words, "a view of the future as a hologram that is substantive enough for us to perceive it but malleable enough to be susceptible to change". Ingo Swann speaks of the future as "crystallising possibilities". Relating to Morehouse's description of accessing the fourth dimension through remote viewing, the late Itzhak Bentov, author of Stalking the Wild Pendulum, described the relationship between normal versus expanded states of consciousness as a constant "on-off" process in which time spent in our "solid" reality, as opposed to other realities, is like fine-tuning the frequency dial of consciousness. OTHER MODELS FOR EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION Morehouse's description of remote viewing also correlates to the Sanskrit term siddhis, or powers, which include clairaudience, clairvoyance, even precipitation of matter from the ethers. Christians have called them the "gifts of the Holy Spirit"-spiritual gifts given by the grace of God. "Yes, I don't disagree," he says. "It's a gift, but by the same token I think there must be a reason why we're not born with it." Some Christians disagree with his advocacy of teaching remote-viewing techniques. "Their position is that I'm teaching the black arts, and we shouldn't be doing this type of thing," says Morehouse. "I don't disagree that there is a dark side to this, but in the coming millennium we are eventually going to be in somewhat dire straits. We are going to be confronted with very difficult choices. If you knew that people with you are good people, would you not want them to be counted as warriors who serve God with you? Would you not want them to be armed with these powers?" So do other so-called extrasensory powers like clairvoyance or telepathy come with this ability for remote viewing? Morehouse replies that "...what happens is that these are all words which describe the perceptions of individuals who have conduits open. The hardest thing is for the conscious mind to develop this ability. It's a learned or practised thing to interpret the data presented to it by the unconscious mind. As the unconscious mind travels backwards and forwards on the time-space continuum, it throws back raw data without analysis. It wants to develop a dialogue, but the dialogue development has to come from the conscious mind. We have to consciously interpret, not analyse, what we're given by the unconscious mind. It's learning how to live with that still, small voice within yourself and learning to interpret it correctly." And what is that "still, small voice"? Is it the voice of God? Or the voice of the Holy Spirit? "You have to learn how to interpret it, how to speak that language," says Morehouse. "Your conscious mind can very successfully shut out the Holy Spirit." This could be what the Christians call "carnal mind", the rational logical mind that breaches no intuitive sensitivity. And what is the difference between out-of-body experiences and remote-viewing techniques? "We tried to do an out-of-body experience," says Morehouse. "There was actually experimentation done in developing protocols in developing OOBE remote viewing. Remote viewing is just opening conduits, and out-of-body is an actual separation of the spiritual body from the physical body. And this did not take place in the remote viewing. "When you tear the spiritual body from the physical, what does that mean? It's harmful. That means that you leave the physical body open, allowing inhabitation by whatever else that wants to step in because the spiritual body is now gone. We're not talking about levels of consciousness. We're talking about spiritual separation. The spiritual body roams around and it's not under control. It's like a balloon floating in a hot breeze. It goes wherever the breeze will carry it, and God only knows what makes up that breeze." What about the idea that this spiritual body is the responsibility of every individual, that karma can be made and
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 3/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 3/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy1.html It would also stand to reason that details of historical events could be accessed in an attempt to discover what really happened-especially in events of criminal conspiracy, negligence and subsequent cover-up. Like, for example, what really happened to TWA Flight 800... TWA FLIGHT 800: TARGET PRACTICE GONE WRONG "It was like turning a 747 into a microwave oven." That's how David Morehouse explained what happened to TWA Flight 800, after he delivered a remote-viewing report for CBS News-a report which was never aired. "We originally started at the request of a producer at CBS to work in consonance with them to investigate the downing of Flight 800," explains Morehouse. "We used a team of six remote viewers. After having gone back in time and looked at the event, five of them did not say that a missile struck the aircraft, but said that it was an energy beam or a light beam and that the aircraft exploded. It was a light beam that could not be seen by the human eye. It was high-powered microwaves. "We did a 32-page report for CBS on it; a lengthy investigation. We used a law enforcement liaison officer who was a retired US city cop. I was dealing with Ph.D.s who owned patents on fibre optic cables. "It goes right back to the CBW thing in the Gulf War [the cover-up of chemical/biological warfare by the Pentagon]. The first thing that came out of the Navy was, 'We had no exercise going on, none whatsoever.' I saw the message from the Department of the Navy to the FAA [Federal Aviation Administration] that said that from this time to this time-which was a time window that included the departure time of Flight 800-there was an exercise going on. "The microwave that we think did it was built by Phillips Laboratories. It's about the size of a Ryder truck, a moving truck about that size, which produces 1.4 gigawatts, a billion watts of power in a concentrated stream of electrons that are guided by a self-generated electromagnetic field. The footprint of this particular weapon can be anywhere. They can tweak it up or down. They can crank it down to a footprint the size of a basketball. They can expand it out to a footprint the size of a football field. Of course, the more you disperse the electrons, the less effective the beam is, but it's still pretty nasty stuff." Morehouse, of course, had to deal with the usual denial. "The executives at CBS said, 'We don't have anything that has that kind of range.' It's like the Ph.D. who installed microwave dishes around New York and New Jersey who told us that when the guys working on the Empire State Building go out on a platform to change the lights for Christmas, they wear flash bulbs in their pockets. The reason is because of the microwave energy from all the dishes and power mounted on the building. When they get closer than they're supposed to be, it pops the flash bulbs. That's how much ambient radiant energy is coming out of those dishes. If you were to stick a frozen chicken on the end of a fibreglass pole and stick it in front of a microwave dish, faster than you could blink your eye it would be charred black. "Because of all the microwave dishes, the building next to the World Trade Center had the top 20 floors surfaced with a special film coating on the windows to reflect the microwave energy. All the employees in the building were complaining of ringing in the ears and headaches. "We went through this analysis. We looked at the message traffic. There are seven military operational or warning areas off the coast of Long Island. Of those military operational areas, three out of four of them were active. They were joined together into an operational area that was code-named 'Tango Billy' by the Department of the Navy. This was an open-source message-the Navy just informing the FAA that these warning areas are off the coast. When those warning areas are active, the Navy tells the FAA. The FAA establishes what is called 'Flight Corridor Betty'. "I interviewed at least a half-dozen TWA pilots who said, 'Yes, that's right; I've flown Betty many times.' They go to a VOR [VHF Omni-directional Radio range] in New Jersey. They break a hard left and they fly an outbound radial to pick up an inbound radial on the Nantucket VOR. They hit the Nantucket VOR and they break right and head for the European theatre. But they fly through an invisible tunnel in the air called a 'flight corridor'. It's supposed to be a safe corridor and they stack the aircraft in this corridor-aircraft going north-south, aircraft going south-north. "So Flight 800 was in Flight Corridor Betty. It was late. The FAA doesn't notify the Navy that 'We have aircraft late on takeoff' or anything else. There was also the USS Normandie, 35 nautical miles away from this area called Tango Billy, 10 or 15 miles off the coast of Long Island.
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 4/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 4/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy2.html The True Adventures of a Psychic Spy Former military intelligence remote viewer David Morehouse continues his extradimensional insights, and exposes the US Government's cover-up of Gulf War crime. Part 2 Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 4, #6 (October-November 1997). PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com ©1997 All Rights Reserved by Uri Dowbenko An Interview with David Morehouse Remote Viewing Technologies 64 Whitman Street, Suite 1A Carteret, NJ 07008, USA E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No ordinary whistleblower, David Morehouse, author of Psychic Warrior: Inside the CIA's Stargate Program, is an accomplished military professional with a distinguished service record. A highly decorated and respected third-generation Army officer, Morehouse holds an M.A. degree in military art and science, as well as a Ph.D. from LaSalle University. Commissioned as an infantry Second Lieutenant, he went from officer school to Panama, where he was a platoon leader and attained the rank of Major. After spending time in the Army Rangers, he left in 1987 for a series of highly classified special access programs (SAPs) in the US Army Intelligence Support Command (INSCOM). While in Jordan on a routine training operation, Morehouse was accidentally shot in the head-or, more accurately, in the helmet. His extrasensory abilities were opened up, and this seemed to precipitate recurrent episodes that could be called "psychic". He then became a prime candidate for induction into the top-secret Operation Stargate, a joint DIA/CIA program at Fort Meade which utilised "remote viewing" as an "intelligence" operation. During his military career, Morehouse won numerous meritorious service and commendation medals, as well as paratrooper wings from six foreign countries. After he left the remote-viewing program in 1991 he was assigned as Battalion Executive Officer to the 2nd Battalion, 5065th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 82nd Airborne Division. Soon after, Morehouse decided to expose the Stargate operation and its technology with the hope that the potential beneficial and peaceful uses could be brought to the public. However, Morehouse soon realised that getting out of a covert operation is not as easy as getting in. In fact, getting out alive became his ultimate survival exercise. What happened? In order to discredit him and his exposé, the Army tried to court-martial him on trumped-up charges. In December 1994 Morehouse resigned his commission. THE LIFE OF A WHISTLEBLOWER So what happens to whistleblowers in the US Government? In the case of David Morehouse, false charges were filed against him. The tyres on his car were "cut to blow", slashed to cause a crash at freeway speed. He and his family were harassed by anonymous phone calls, and phone conversations were bugged. His house was filled with gas and almost blew up; his daughter nearly perished from the fumes. Morehouse's real-life story takes another weird turn, as he describes it in his own words: "When I was in the hospital I had a call from a woman doctor thanking me for coming into her life. She said that because of me she was forced to leave government service, but now she's happy for it. This is a woman doctor who had 18 years in the service. "They ordered her to diagnose me as a paranoid schizophrenic and delusional. She refused to do it. 'Then diagnose him as a malingerer,' they told her. She refused. She was a tenacious psychiatrist, the head of the ward. "She stood there the day they strapped me to a gurney and put me in a plane that took me six hours away from my family, down to Fort Bragg where I sat in a facility which was for alcohol abuse. So I had to go to alcohol abuse classes though I wasn't an alcohol abuser, and I was given a dixie cup of medication twice a day to keep me quiet and dumb. "They finally removed me from my support group. They took me away from my family because now, instead of my wife driving 15 minutes to come to the hospital, I was in Fort Bragg, North Carolina. They would dress me up, drug me and take me drugged into the courtroom for Article 805 hearings, where I would stand up and almost fall over. I couldn't even hear. It was like standing in an empty water tank and hearing people talk. And they made me endure that. Their final coup de grâce was that they discharged me and required me to write the Family Caring Manual." Then an orchestrated campaign to discredit Morehouse was started, with anonymous letters being written to the book publisher and the movie production company
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 5/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 5/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy2.html REMOTE-VIEWING THE ARK OF THE COVENANT Psychic Warrior details many of Morehouse's encounters with legendary and historical events. For example, when he describes remote viewing the Ark of the Covenant, he calls the relic itself a "dimensional opening". "When I came out I explained what I had seen to the program director," says Morehouse. "He told me the theological background behind the Ark of the Covenant. My friend Mel told me that it was a part of the Temple in the wilderness that was carried around by the Israelites. They put the Ark of the Covenant in the inner sanctum of the Holy of Holies. Those who went into the inner sanctuary, the high priests, actually tied ropes on their ankles so they could be pulled back. "It was the conclusion of the remote-viewing community that this was in fact a conductor or convector of some sort. It was something that channelled power to form some sort of a portal or opening into a four-dimensional world which is where the Creator dwelt. The high priest was stepping through the portal into this four-dimensional world." LARGER THAN LIFE ITSELF And what about free roaming in the fourth dimension? "That was an open search, where you were told to go where the signal line took you. That was analogous to standing on a platform at Penn Station in Manhattan and jumping at whatever train was rumbling by, and going where that train was going. You don't know where you're going to go or where you're going to end up. Sometimes it's very frightening; sometimes it's instructional; sometimes it's just fun." So has Morehouse seen anything of significance? "Just the realisation that we are not alone," he says. "I never saw God or Christ or Buddha. But I can tell you that there are other worlds and other civilisations and planets. It's all out there-other dimensions. It's not just what exists in our physical dimension, in our physical universe. There are other portals that lead to other universes and there are universes upon universes. It's limitless, infinite. It's staggering!" There is a common misperception that remote viewing entails out-of-body or astral travel. "We were trying to develop OBE-RV, out-of-body remote viewing," says Morehouse. "What we found was that we lacked the ability to make the separation occur at will and control the separated body. "Remote viewing was not based on the work of Robert Monroe. It was based on a very disciplined protocol developed at SRI in part by the direction of Ingo Swann, Pat Price and Uri Geller. Uri Geller was heavily involved in developing these protocols at SRI. He has not ever really gotten credit for it. He was probably the best natural that they had there, in my opinion." If this gift comes from God, then who's trying to control it and use it for negative purposes, i.e., the abuse of it by the military and intelligence agencies? "I struggle with that question every day," says Morehouse. "I don't know if the military-industrial complex is doing this out of pure ignorance-if they're stumbling about it like a bull in a china shop out of pure ignorance-or whether they do it out of some deep-rooted, sinister backdrop or foundation that makes them want to be able to use this to manipulate humanity. "The only evidence I have is that I know that there is some enigma out there. I know that there is something that is larger than life itself that dominates and controls. So if I find the answers, I'll talk about it because that's my calling..." ENLIGHTENING ENCOUNTERS Did Morehouse ever encounter what could be called "enlightened beings"? "I had my experiences with what I call my 'angel'. I also experienced beings from other worlds that had the Christ consciousness. I never saw Jesus Christ or Buddha. They were very benevolent, loving, enlightened, radiant individuals. While standing in their presence, you felt nothing but the presence of good and a warmth. They would recognise or acknowledge your presence, but they would never interact with you. They never guided you or directed you. "The monitor would say: 'Approach them; attempt to engage them in conversation; ask them a question; ask them who they are.' They would politely smile and walk away. They recognised us as intruders, yet harmless. "This angel watched over my father, and it was my father who told my wife, 'I've given David my angel.' My father had never spoken to me about this before." DEMONS FROM THE FOURTH DIMENSION Were there any occasions when Morehouse felt threatened, or thought he was going to die? "I felt that on several occasions when I encountered what I call lesser beings or demons," replied Morehouse. "They're people who look just like us. They are very friendly and they smile. They want to engage you in conversation, but the instant you realise what they are they attack you. In an
[CTRL] David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 6/6
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- David Morehouse -True Adventures of a Psychic Spy 6/6 http://www.nexusmagazine.com/psispy2.html "First they said there was something to it. Then we blew up one chemical dump. Then they said it was two chemical dumps. The problem is that the American people continue to forgive this sort of betrayal. They ignore it and thereby forgive it, and so they set the stage for it to happen again. "They stood there, men who knew, and baldfaced lied to us and said it never happened. General Powell went before Congress and fervently denied that he had any knowledge of it or that he had any evidence of it, which is again 'plausible denial' because nobody briefed him on it. "The CIA was keeping track of all the wind charts pertaining to this theatre of operations. Let me tell you something. In 18 years in the military, I never once turned to the CIA for a weather report. So why is the CIA telling us that the downwind messages showed this and this? Are we so stupid that we can't see that these guys are concerned about what's going to be revealed in time, that they've jumped in to level the playing fields? They're in there BS-ing and lying right and left, day in day out." Antony Sutton is unequivocal in praise of Morehouse and his book. He writes that, "Psychic Warrior is one book that you should read. Not only will it open your eyes to the strange new technology we outlined, but it will make you disgusted with a Pentagon whose main interest appears to be to keep its Washington generals in luxury and golf courses, while it can't keep its planes in the air. Yet DoD has time to persecute an officer who truly served the United States." THE KING HIT AND THE FALL GUY Fall guy James Earl Ray was sentenced to life in prison for the killing of famed civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. Ray's lawyer, William Pepper, author of Orders to Kill, will be presenting new evidence in court: remote-viewing data by David Morehouse on the assassination of the '60s-era icon. So who killed King? Morehouse says: "...these were contract yobbos, low-level CIA operatives that did it. They were US Special Forces, a sniper team that came out of assassination school. They were always deployed in areas where riots were taking place or expected to take place. They had a hit list, a sequential hit list of people they were to take out. That was common stuff in the '60s. "Every time there was a civil disturbance, these sniper teams were deployed and were given encrypted orders that told them who and what. They had a standing list of people to hit. They would receive information that would say, 'Do it,' or 'Don't do it.' And if they did it, they had an egress route out of the area; or a 'potted plant'-people that would pick them up. "The soldiers that were given charge to do this perceived individuals like Martin Luther King-and others that provoked rioting and unrest on college campuses against the American Government-as enemies of the State." So what can attorney William Pepper do with Morehouse's remote-viewing report? "He's going to take it to court as evidence and use it," says Morehouse. "His argument is that the US Government has used this as an intelligence collection tool for 20 years. It's going to be admitted as evidence, verifying the information-gathering methodology. He will say, 'Look, a military remote viewer has brought this information back and it was collected using military technology.' Pepper called and said thanks for all the great work." Morehouse admits, however, that "what he's [Pepper's] trying to do is fight an uphill battle". "NON-LETHALITY"-THE FUTURE OF WARFARE Morehouse's new book is called Non-Lethal Weapons: War Without Death. According to Morehouse, "...conventional weaponry is designed to kill. The new hybrid conventional weaponry is designed to maim. Non-lethal weaponry, by this definition, must be anti-materiel and not anti-personnel. "The book takes a very philosophical approach to the concept of non-lethality. It talks about what conventional weapons have done in this century: taken 170 million innocent human beings' lives. Doctors, lawyers, professors, housewives, children, not warriors-80 million of them were summarily executed for their refusal to participate, and that number continues to grow exponentially. Less than 250,000 of those lives were taken through nuclear weapons. "In the post-Cold War era, the military-industrial complex has spent an inordinate amount of time on the disarmament and abolition of the nuclear arsenal, unscrewing five nuclear warheads so we can pat ourselves on the back and say what a great job we did, while in the meantime we spent US$900 billion-plus last year to build and market weapons of death and destruction. So it's a shell game. "The conclusion is that we're in a new strategic era at a crossroads of human history. We have to make a decision. Are we going to continue to build weapons on an
[CTRL] The 'Crime-Fraud Exception' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- March 30, 2000 Review Outlook The 'Crime-Fraud Exception' In a recent scene from "The Sopranos," the popular HBO mafia series, one of Tony Soprano's capos calls him about a murder witness: "Tony, you know that witness who thinks he saw what you and I know didn't happen? Well, he now says he forgot what he thinks he saw." Because of conversations like that, the legal concept of "attorney-client privilege" has what is called the "crime-fraud exception." If you are planning a caper at the Ravenite Social Club, you can't make your conversations immune from inquiry just by having your lawyer in the room. Wednesday Judge Royce Lamberth ruled that the "crime-fraud exemption" applied to certain conversations in the White House Counsel's office pertaining to the use of government records to trash the reputation of Kathleen Willey. Indeed, Judge Lamberth ruled that President Clinton personally committed "a criminal violation of the Privacy Act." Ms. Willey, recall, is the former White House aide who went on "60 Minutes" to accuse the President of groping her near the Oval Office after she requested a job promotion. The day that her interview aired in March 1998, senior White House officials held a meeting, with President Clinton on the phone from Camp David. At the White House were Counsel Charles Ruff and deputy counsels Cheryl Mills and Bruce Lindsey. The White House admits that the President concurred with the recommendation that friendly letters Ms. Willey had written him would be released from her employment file. The idea, or "spin," was that the letters would distract attention from Ms. Willey's charges. Now, the Privacy Act is a law passed in 1974 in reaction to the misuse of government files by the Nixon White House. Chuck Colson, a Nixon aide then, went to prison for two years for misusing a single FBI file. Too bad Mr. Colson didn't have the benefit of the legal opinion Clinton mouthpieces were spreading Wednesday, that the Act doesn't apply to the White House. At a press conference Wednesday, the President says the law never crossed his mind. But Judge Lamberth found that plaintiffs in his court established "that the White House and the President were aware that they were subject to the Privacy Act, and yet chose to violate its provisions." The plaintiffs in the suit are individuals contending that their privacy rights were violated when the Clinton White House gathered some 900 FBI files on Republican appointees; they are represented by the conservative activist firm Judicial Watch. Independent Counsel Robert Ray recently reported that there was "no substantial and credible evidence" that senior officials or the First Lady were involved in seeking the files. But he noted that his office "did not investigate alleged violations of the Privacy Act of 1974 because such offenses are excluded from the jurisdiction of an independent counsel." That is to say, criminal violations of the Privacy Act would have to be prosecuted by Janet Reno's see-no-evil Justice Department. The alternative is to seek redress through civil suits like the one in Judge Lamberth's court. Judicial Watch has pressed interrogatories exploring whether the Administration has abused government records in trashing its political opponents. After all, what else was the White House Willey meeting about? James Carville has testified that Mr. Clinton called him after Ms. Willey's interview and said "there was some letters that she had written and his lawyers were considering making them public and what did I think about it?" Terry Good, the director of White House records, testified that he asked his staff to pull the Willey letters after Cheryl Mills told him the President's Counsel wanted the letters. Mr. Clinton himself testified before the grand jury that "when everybody blew it up, I thought we would release." Mrs. Clinton also got into the act. An official Justice Department response in the Filegate case notes that in a phone conversation between Mrs. Clinton and Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal they "agreed the letters should be released." In one of a spate of silly Clinton defenses going on just now, columnist Richard Cohen writes of Mr. Ray's findings, "so much for Filegate," and asks that we and others apologize to the Clintons. Whether files were "ransacked" may yet be established by the Judicial Watch suit, as well as a separate Privacy Act suit filed by Linda Tripp, whose employment records were released by the Pentagon. Whether or not the President initiated the acquisition of FBI files, he clearly sets the tone of the White House, where the smear is a standard tactic. FBI files on former Travel Office chief Billy Dale were specifically sought seven months after he was fired. He was trashed on national television by Clinton lawyers, then indicted on embezzlement charges, but acquitted by a jury in less than two hours. During the impeachment trial, Rep.
[CTRL] Judge Mulls Tripp Wiretap Case (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Judge Mulls Tripp Wiretap Case March 29, 2000 Filed at 9:31 p.m. EST By The Associated Press ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (AP) -- Linda Tripp's attorney said Wednesday that her prosecution on felony wiretapping charges is tainted because the star witness, Monica Lewinsky, lied under oath. During a brief hearing that could determine whether the case goes to trial, Tripp's attorney Joseph Murtha said Lewinsky clearly sought revenge against Tripp for recording their conversations about Lewinsky's affair with President Clinton. Lewinsky testified last December that she independently recalled the Dec. 22, 1997, date of the crucial telephone conversation Tripp is charged with illegally taping. But Lewinsky told prosecutors in writing in August 1998 that the information came from Tripp's immunized statements to Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's office, Tripp's lawyers maintain. ``She has proven herself to be a liar -- in this courtroom,'' he said. ``You can make your own judgments as to her credibility,'' Prosecutor Thomas McDonough said. ``We've made ours.'' Circuit Judge Diane Leasure said she would issue a written ruling May 5. Leasure could let the trial proceed, dismiss the case or limit or throw out Lewinsky's testimony. The trial is scheduled for July. If convicted, Tripp could face up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each wiretapping offense. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: The 100,000 E-Mail Gap-- (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- March 30, 2000 ESSAY / By WILLIAM SAFIRE The 100,000 E-Mail Gap WASHINGTON -- Charles Ruff, President Clinton's defense counsel in the impeachment trial, was also the last special prosecutor of President Nixon in Watergate; he surely must remember the furor surrounding the unexplained "18 1/2-minute gap" on the tapes. Thanks to a lawsuit filed four years ago by Judicial Watch, we now discover that Ruff presided over the concealment of the Clinton administration's "100,000 e-mail gap." These were the messages sent to the White House between 1996 and 1998, all required by law to be archived, and all part of the "universe of information" required to be reviewed by the White House counsel to respond to subpoenas by prosecutors and Congress. Ruff blithely claims ignorance of technology. When informed of the "glitch" as the impeachment firestorm gathered in 1998, his associates say, Ruff assumed the problem was fixed and the search for subpoenaed evidence was under way. But it was not. And Ruff is neither negligent nor prone to easy assumptions. Three non-government technicians who were called in to examine the White House computers testified that they had been told to keep their mouths shut about the unsearched files, on pain of jail. One of their harassers at first denied making such threats, before the House Government Reform Committee this week, then changed her testimony to admit she had told the dismayed technicians to stay mum "because it was sensitive." As a result, investigators looking into Asian campaign contributions, invasions of privacy and possible presidential perjury have been kept in the dark for the past two years. There can be no innocent reason for that deliberate decision by the Clinton White House to remain silent. Asked yesterday about his e-mail problem, Clinton said, "I believe that was known years ago." Sure; he knew and Ruff knew. But no grand jury or Congressional committee was told. As this deliberate suppression of the truth about the unsearched e-mails came to light, the Justice Department reacted with The Old Reno Trick: obstruction by in-house investigation. Here's how it worked before. When the "Asian Connection" to Clinton-Gore money-raising was broken in this space on Oct. 5, 1996, and The Los Angeles Times unearthed the Gore Buddhist temple fund-raising scandal, the U.S. Attorney in L.A., Stephen Mansfield, moved quickly to investigate. But Lee Radek, Reno's chief protector of higher-ups, informed him, "your office should take no steps to investigate these matters." Radek's Washington office assumed authority and allowed witnesses to skip the country. He used the excuse that an independent counsel might be needed, but, after the trail cooled sufficiently, fought the attempt of a real prosecutor and the F.B.I. to appoint one. Result: wrist slaps for small fry, neither Clinton nor Gore even questioned. Clinton Justice is now trying the same trick in the e-mail case. Judicial Watch, in a civil suit, forced out the truth and a federal judge is hitting pay dirt. Department of Justice lawyers may have assisted a Clinton archivist in submitting a misleading affidavit about the e-mails last year. But true to form, now that its misfeasance is public, Reno Justice is launching its own "criminal investigation," the intent of which is to seize control of the productive civil case until after the coming election. The same crew at Justice that kept the Asian fund-raising scandal away from the White House is now throwing its protective blanket over the White House aides who intimidated whistle-blowers in the e-mail concealment. Justice's criminal division will "investigate" its civil division, and insiders will have a good laugh at chairman Dan Burton's call for outside counsel. Why do I pop off at these arrant cover-ups? Because popping off at power abuse has a public-policy purpose. The investigation triggered by published outrage at Filegate has ended such routine invasion of privacy, and completely changed the slavish attitude toward White House aides at the F.B.I. If that cost $10 million, it was well worth it. Same with concealing the 100,000 e-mail gap. Not all wrongdoing is criminal. But when presidential counsel artfully skirt the law, contemptuous of court or Congress or individual citizens, they must be closely examined and called to public
[CTRL] Medicating the Mind (Pts 1 2)
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Philosophical counseling
February 22, 2000
Medicating the mind (part 1)
by PETER B. RAABE
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* Shadow Syndromes by Ratey Johnson
* The Enigma of Health by Gadamer
* More articles by Peter Raabe
Many of the feelings that help define us as human beings, and help us cope with
human affairs, are now being diagnosed as disorders that need to be "corrected"
with psychotropic drugs. In fact, a recent issue of a popular magazine carries
advertisements for pharmaceutical products claiming to combat everything from
feeling uncomfortable in a crowd ("social-affective disorder") to excessive
worry ("adjustment disorder" or "depressive disorder" -- which may mean a man
still feeling low even though it has been six months since his spouse left
him). The advertising copy literally says swallowing the pills will end your
worries.
Some professional therapists are insisting that sadness, anger, depression, and
even the inability to finish a task have nothing to do with a person's
character, self-esteem, or internal belief system, but rather are "hidden
psychological disorders" or "shadow syndromes" (e.g., John J. Ratey and
Catherine Johnson, Shadow Syndromes (Pantheon, 1997). They believe "shadow
syndromes" are simply inherent in the structure and chemistry of the individual
brain, and recommend that these syndromes be treated with a regimen of powerful
medication. In the six years between 1990 to 1996, prescriptions in the United
States for the antidepressant fluoxetine (sold under the brand name "prozac")
rose from 136,000 to 2.5 million. The total number of prescriptions for all
similar medications written in 1996 alone was 5.4 million.
While the use of medicines to correct a mechanical malfunction in cerebral
biochemistry seems legitimate and justified, the use of psychopharmaceuticals
to control emotional distress, confusion, or depression is a highly contentious
issue for many philosophical counselors. This is because the use of drugs to
alter feelings or thoughts seems to be based on the faulty assumption that
feelings of distress must have originated in a chemical imbalance in the brain
because drugs can be used to change the brain's chemistry and thereby alleviate
feelings of distress.
The question of which came first, the feelings or the chemical imbalance, is a
chicken-and-egg problem. Research has shown that while the chemical activity
within the brain generates thoughts, thinking causes a change in the chemical
activity within the brain. In other words, the relationship between brain
chemistry and thinking is clearly reciprocal. This reciprocity is what causes
concern among philosophical counselors when medication is used to treat a
client in distress. They see the medication of the brain as a simultaneous
medication of the mind. By prescribing psychotropic drugs, the assumption that
causality rests in brain chemistry has been affirmed. The problem with this
assumption is that it relegates external reasons for emotional distress to a
place of lesser importance. The resultant predicament this causes can be
illustrated with the following case based on a true story.
"Stan," an average college student and a player on a winning basketball team,
visited a philosophical counselor with the consent of his psychiatrist. He was
taking both antidepressant and antipsychotic medication to combat what he
described as profound sadness, confused feelings, and anger that could erupt
seemingly for no reason. Stan explained how distressed he had been lately at
his having become unreasonably angry with his friend Karl. During the course of
discussion with the philosophical counselor the story emerged of how Stan
considered Karl to be a far better basketball player than himself, how Karl
never had any problems getting girls and always had several girlfriends at the
same time, and how Karl had recently charmed Stan's girlfriend away from him,
supposedly as a harmless joke. Stan said he could understand why his girlfriend
had left him and gone with Karl. He wondered if he was even worthy of a
girlfriend considering how poorly he played basketball compared to Karl. But
through all this he insisted Karl was a good friend, and that "all's fair in
love and war," even between friends. When asked to define what a friend is,
Stan responded that it is someone you respect but are inferior to.
Over the weeks that followed Stan told of how his mother had remarried when he
was young,
Re: [CTRL] [MC] Finger length may indicate tendency to homosexuality
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Damn Al, I thouught it was Gay's couldn't whistle, and that is why Gene Kelley was so happy when suddenly after walking forlorn through the streets of Paris he suddenly started whistling and the next thing you know, he was hanging off the lamppost in JOY. JZ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/29/2000 6:28:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are so much more erudite than I. I want to ask: do you know what sixth law or canon or whatever it is where it is said, roughly, that if you kill infidels you earn a higher place in the afterlife? Thanks, Foxter Thank you for your kind wordsyyeah...I think I was actually born with a book in my hands. ;¬) The first reference that comes to mind, is Book III, The House of Imran. Surah 3:150-155; Surah 3:190-195. There is another place where the families of those who die "for Allah", are promised a greater standing as well, but the Surah has slipped my mind at this moment. I see that June and PRUDY have answered this thread, so I am sure that I will write a bit more extensively on this issue over the weekend. I don't have the time to write in any detail at this moment. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Perjury charges at White House?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! -- -- ALL THE PRESIDENT'S SCANDALS Perjury charges at White House? Congressional panel may hammer Clinton officials in e-mail probe -- -- By Paul Sperry © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com WASHINGTON -- A House committee may send criminal referrals for perjury to the Justice Department on some witnesses who testified last week about missing White House e-mail, WorldNetDaily has learned. Several of them made statements that grossly contradict the accounts of other witnesses and may have been designed to mislead committee investigators who are looking into possible obstruction of justice by the White House. "We are looking at the transcripts, we are going to review the tapes, and we may prepare criminal referrals for perjury on certain folks," said House Government Reform Committee spokesman Mark Corallo. A former White House official swore March 23 that she never made threats to computer contractors, who discovered in 1998 that the White House failed to archive more than two years of e-mail sent to White House officials, including top aides to the president and first lady. The e-mail was never searched for compliance with subpoenas issued by the independent counsel and congressional investigators. But three of the Northrop Grumman contractors testified that the official, Laura Crabtree Callahan, threatened them with jail if they talked about the problem, which they called "Project X" because of all the secrecy surrounding it. They said she made the threats in a 1998 meeting in her office. Mark Lindsay, a high-ranking White House official, claimed in his testimony that he made no threats, either -- though he also said he could not recall the meeting with contractors. "Lindsay couldn't recall squat when it came to the meeting," Corallo said. Yet all five e-mail contractors recalled details of the meeting on the morning of June 15, 1998, specifically Lindsay and Callahan ordering them to keep other workers and even their Northrop Grumman bosses in the dark about the missing e-mail. They were also told not to talk to their spouses. What's more, they told House investigators in interviews before the hearing that they were instructed to write down as little as possible about Project X and not to e-mail anything about it. They were even banned from using networked White House computers. In a separate meeting with Lindsay, a Clinton political appointee, the contractors' program manager, Steve Hawkins, testified that he felt "threatened" by Lindsay "the whole meeting." "I unequivocally deny that I threatened anyone regarding disclosure of the e-mail situation," Lindsay said under oath. The threats are key because, if true, they show an intent to obstruct justice through intimidation. "We may have to call several people back to explain some things," Corallo said. Those witnesses include a contractor, who may have held back information from the committee. Robert Haas, tasked in 1998 with finding some of the lost e-mail, denied under oath searching for any e-mail other than ones sent by Monica Lewinsky from the Pentagon. But two other White House computer workers said Haas told them he stumbled onto e-mail relevant to other investigations. "You've got Betty Lambuth and (Sheryl) Hall both saying that Haas told them that not only was there Monica stuff, but there was campaign finance and (Commerce Department) trade missions and all sorts of other stuff in there," Corallo said. In pre-interviews with investigators, Haas said he could not recall all the names of the White House e-mail users whose files he checked. Investigators suspect he knows a lot more about what's in the unarchived e-mail server than he's letting on. Haas is still working as a contractor in the White House. Also, it turns out that Haas was less than forthcoming in answering questions from committee chairman Dan Burton, R-Ind. He asked Haas about a so-called "Zip" computer disk for massive storage of files. Haas swore he didn't have one, when in fact he did. But Burton used the word "drive" rather than "disk," allowing Haas to technically be safe in denying it. Whereas Haas may have split hairs to hold back information, Callahan issued categorical denials. In the June 1998 meeting, Lindsay joined in by speakerphone. When he hung up, Haas asked Callahan what would happen if he mentioned Project X to someone. She replied that there would be "a jail cell with your name on it," Haas recalled her saying. Contractors told investigators in earlier interviews that Callahan then asked each person in the room, one by one, if they understood the consequences of speaking out about the problem. Lambuth testified she remembered the threat. So did contractor
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/29/2000 7:35:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you know I haven't? ;-) Again, how do you know I already haven't done so? ;-) Let's first acknowledge that these questions are good and safe for June. They admit nothing, and imply everything. Further, June's questions appear only as a showing of a challenge. She is certainly not challenging my own knowledge of the Koran; indeed, she only challenges an issue that remains uncertain. Now, to be fair, (and to reiterate what was said in my previous post), I have not read every thread on this issue. Included in the two posts that I did read, was a statement that June made, which claimed that she had offered "facts" on Islam in a previous post. I cannot speak to that which I have not read. Nonetheless, June is asking me, how I know that she has not purchased and studied a copy of the Koran. Well, June... I answered the post in which you were contesting that which Foxter had put forth, viz., that Islam promises a greater standing with Allah for those who die in his "holy war" with the infidels. June was challenging this statement, demanding that Foxter "chapter and verse", so to speak, the Surah from which the Foxter was quoting. June, my statements to you, concerning the idea that you might purchase and read the Koran for yourself, was based upon my observations of this situation. Here is why: FACT. The Koran DOES state that the self-martyred soldiers of the holy war will have a greater standing with Allah. Surah III: 150-155; 190-195, etc. Now, if June had studied the Koran and knew this to be true, she would have agreed with Foxter. But quite to the contrary, June challenged Foxter, insinuating that Foxter did not know that of which she had spoken. Surely, June wouldn't do something as self-serving and asinine, as to condemn truthful statements that had not been accurately documented, just to make herself feel important? So, you see, June... Rather than think of you as a self-serving and pompous rectum who derails truthful statements for the purpose of one-up'manship to further your own hyper-inflated egoI choose to believe that you had not read and studied the Koran. Silly me. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury charges at White House?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/30/2000 6:43:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A former White House official swore March 23 that she never made threats to computer contractors, who discovered in 1998 that the White House failed to archive more than two years of e-mail sent to White House officials, including top aides to the president and first lady. The e-mail was never searched for compliance with subpoenas issued by the independent counsel and congressional investigators. But three of the Northrop Grumman contractors testified that the official, Laura Crabtree Callahan, threatened them with jail if they talked about the problem, which they called "Project X" because of all the secrecy surrounding it. They said she made the threats in a 1998 meeting in her office. I watching the outcome of this matter, since I distinctly recall being told that if I discussed any of the commander's or the organization's business outside the offices in which I worked, it was grounds for dismissal (or at least transfer to a less responsible job). Maybe the Government owes me a million or two, or maybe the Republican Party's more affluent friends will buy me a BMW or something. I'm too old to want a nose job. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see that June and PRUDY have answered this thread, so I am sure that I will write a bit more extensively on this issue over the weekend. I don't have the time to write in any detail at this moment. But you DO have time to talk to yourself it seems... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FACT. The Koran DOES state that the self-martyred soldiers of the holy war will have a greater standing with Allah. Surah III: 150-155; 190-195, etc. My question to Foxter regarded Foxter's understanding of just who Allah is, compared to the deity worshipped by Jews and Christians, a question Foxter failed miserably. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I told you that if he started again... the gloves are off
Tara, What a saint you are. I for one thank you for this post. I was astounded that June complained to my isp and barely noticed Ali.I feel June's flaming was scads worse since she taunted me and challenged me about my knowledge of the Koran, which is zero firsthand and a bit more secondhand. I answered as a way of discussion then she flamed. Or, perhaps, soapboxed emotionally. I felt she deliberately trapped me whereas Ali just flat out called me names. To me there is a big difference. Also June and I had a heated exchange in the past over Christianity, perhaps there is an element of unhealed wounds. I think the problem with religion and this list is that most of us have strongly-held opinions, whether they represent truth or not, in areas where there are no easily accessible answers. Mix in some strong personalities to go with those strong beliefs and you havea receipe for the freest of exchanges. Anyway, about Koresh I believe he was too deluded to see he was jeopardizing people's lives (not the sexual abuse of the women, I'm talking about when he would not let people leave when the PTB were ready to cream the place). Similar to Christian Scientists who let their kids die for lack of caring medical attention or Hyperfaith Christians who let ther kids die for lack of caring medical attention - and ps l am born again Christian. It doesn't matter how much of the Bible one knows, or Koran one knows, one can still do wrong things and be convinced he she is doing right things. Like my boss. Thanks again Tara, you helped me alot. Foxter (snip)You are a liar. The only question is are you a knowing liar or just a fool.If you are simply ignorant I suggest that you visit these sights for someunderstanding.(snip)(snip)Did you go to the sites? I have been reading your words and you don't appearto be uneducated, so why would you speak such lies. You not only stated themyou went further by trying to support them. If I am wrong about this thenyou were just being foolish...I left the choice open for you.(snip)You sent the list a number of emails that you recieved from privatecitizens, without their permission.Are you still posting private posts from lists you belong to onto messageboards?I have no patience with you and your little conspiracy to try and convertthe world to your beliefs.I was coming back to this list and when you found out you fairly shoutedwith glee like you thought I couldn't get away from you. You got booted fromthat one as I remember, for insulting people. The gloves are off. So tough.And you brag about getting arrested as a martyr. What you don't tell peopleis that the real reason you were arrested was for unpaid parking tickets,and that the man you seem to hate, whom you rant about and libel constantly,Clive Doyle, was kind enough to bail you out of jail. Give me a break. Andtry telling the truth without all of the hatred and insults andproclamations that I'm gonna burn in hell. Then maybe people will listen,but I hope not. You're here for a reason and I pray that the spreading ofthe teachings you espouse never flourish. But I also pray that thoseresponsible for any deaths at Koresh's compound are punished. Thing is Ibelieve Koresh is one of them.TaraA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.htmlhttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
[CTRL] ** A very large iceberg has broken off of the Ross Ice Shelf ** (again)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- View it and weep, opponents of global warming evidence!!! (Oh, but they will say, "It's old news!") This is where much of the heat from global warming is going, melting the ice on the polar caps. Even many scientists have not figured this out yet... They will, soon. ;-| http://uwamrc.ssec.wisc.edu/amrc/iceberg.html Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ** A very large iceberg has broken off of the Ross Ice Shelf ** (a...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Great! They're short of freshwater in many countries. Just tow it there. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Nazi War on Smoking
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] The Nazi War on Smoking Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:20 AM -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: The Nazi War on Smoking, by Lauren A. Colby http://www.lcolby.com/nazi.html November 5, 1999 Recently, we have been bombarded by a series of articles and TV documentaries, extolling the war against smoking conducted by authorities in Nazi Germany. These articles praise the Nazis for their foresight and vision, in "discovering" that smoking causes lung cancer (as well as nearly every other disease known to man). All of this stems from a book, written by Robert N. Proctor, entitled "The Nazi War on Cancer". In the book, Proctor goes on and on, raving about the great work the Nazis did in finding a cure for cancer: i.e., the abolition of tobacco smoking. In page after page, Proctor describes and praises the work of the Nazi scientists. He is, however, long on hyperbole and adulation and short on descriptions of any real scientific studies, until we get to page 194, where we are told about "an exquisite piece of scholarship" by one Hans Muller who, in a paper published in 1939, finally "proved" that smoking causes lung cancer. Let's take a look at this "exquisite piece of scholarship". What Muller did was to send a questionnaire to the relatives of deceased lung cancer victims. The questionnaire read as follows: "1. Was the deceased Herr_ a smoker? If so, what his daily consumption of cigars, cigarettes, or pipe tobacco? Please be numerically precise in your answer! 2. Did the deceased smoke at some point in his life and then stop? Until when did he smoke? If he did smoke, what was his daily consumption of cigars, cigarettes or pipe tobacco. (Please be precise!) 3. Did the deceased ever cut down on his smoking? How high was his daily use of tobacco products, before and after he cut back? (Please be precise!) 4. Can you say whether the deceased was ever exposed to polluted air for any length of time, either at work or off the job? Did this unclean air contain smoke, soot, dust, tar, fumes, motor exhaust, coal dust or metallic dust, industrial chemicals, cigarette smoke, or similar substances?" Muller's paper does not state exactly how many questionnaires were sent out but he advised that 96 "cases" were obtained - 86 males and 10 females (which seems strange, since the questionnaire, by its express language, referred only to males). Anyway, the 86 males were divided into five classes: extremely heavy smoker, very heavy smoker, heavy smoker, moderate smoker, or non-smoker. The same was done for a group of 86 "controls" of the same age as the cases. Proctor tells us that the results were "stunning"; the lung cancer victims were more than six times as likely to be extremely heavy smokers as the controls. 16% of the healthy group were non-smokers as opposed to 3.5% of the lung cancer victims. The lung cancer victims smoked a total of 2,900 grams of tobacco per day; the healthy controls smoked only 1,250 grams. While Proctor may have considered this to be an "exquisite piece of scholarship", I demur. To me, it is a piece of trash. Why? Well, for starters, we don't know how Muller selected either the lung cancer victims or the controls. Since he didn't tell us how many questionnaires he sent out, he was free, if he wished, to select from the questionnaires that came back, and cull out "faulty" questionnaires, just as do election judges in Chicago, when picking which ballots to be accepted or rejected. Furthermore, he was free to select his controls - the healthy people - on any criterion he might choose. Even more important, Muller compared apples with oranges. He compared the recollections of relatives concerning the smoking habits of the deceased lung cancer victims, with the recollections of living people concerning their own smoking habits. That is a "no-no". Whenever the survivors of dead people are asked about the deceased's smoking habits, they always exaggerate those habits. In Germany in the 1930's, as in the U.S. today, a virulent propaganda campaign was underway, blaming smoking for lung cancer and almost every other disease known to man. Thus, when Hermann's widow was asked how much he smoked, her natural tendency was to visualize Hermann with a deadly cigarette in his mouth and respond, "He smoked a lot". A reverse bias existed, for the healthy controls. Propaganda Minister Goebbels had been saturating the German press with advertisements and articles, suggesting that smokers were nearly as bad as Jews. Thus, when the living people were asked about their smoking habits, a strong bias existed to minimize the amount that they smoked. Simple
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #1
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SkeptiNews 000330a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question
* Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/29_03_2000.html
* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh?
* NEW path to notices, excuses, sightings etc: http://skeptilog.pitas.com
* No range cattle were harmed to produce this bulletin. It happened later.
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@ BIRDS ATTACK! ALIENS ABDUCT! www.sonic.net/~ric/adventure/mar2k/M2K82.JPG
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# Mysterious Calf Deaths In Brothers, Oregon. (EarthFiles) The high desert
area Southeast of Bend, Oregon has long been associated with unusual ani-
mal deaths known as "animal mutilations." www.earthfiles.com/earth124.htm
@ Society's Best Interests. "If the government is withholding evidence
concerning UFOs, particularly of extraterrestrial aliens, it may be in
society's best interest to be ignorant of the details. It is possible
that such truth has adverse consequences to society in terms of political,
religious, and social stability." http://www.caus.org/mc032700.htm
: Have you mutilated/abducted/molested any/many animals/humans/aliens/robots
lately? Was it valid research; police/military action; political necessity;
good clean fun; nutritious? Is society better off not knowing about it? Why?
# In pursuit of the ultimate weapon - Wartime scientists have revealed how
they tested chemicals on themselves as they searched for new weapons with
which to fight the Germans. http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608015
# 'Did my husband die from lethal injection?' Deadly research in the best
interests of society: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608016
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# ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE PRACTITIONERS ASK SENATORS FOR MORE FEDERAL FUNDING.
"Give us the money or we'll cast negative Feng Shui vibes all over you!"
http://www.CNN.com/2000/HEALTH/alternative/03/29/alternative.medicine/
# LIVING BETTER WITH YOGA. Yogan practitioners say that the ancient
practice helps them feel healthier and more energized. Doctors say
it might help with heart disease and stress as well. And it's cheap:
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=30205
: Are your medical alternatives effective, economical, entertaining? Do the
voices in your head tell you that you feel much better now? Do survivors of
alternative treatments feel better than non-survivors? Have you survived??
# GENOME 2/3 MAPPED: http://CNN.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/biotech.genome.reut/
@ WHY DO I FEEL NUMB WHEN I HAVE SEX? Maybe alien implant is misfiring:
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=30621
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# JUNK of the day: Agent Orange Diabetes - The most recent USAF report on
http://www.brooks.af.mil/AFRL/HED/hedb/afhs/97report.shtml the personnel
exposed to Agent Orange during the Vietnam War reports "a significant and
potentially meaningful adverse relation between serum dioxin levels and
diabetes." http://www.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/agent.orange.diabetes/
But the alleged "adverse relation" is weak statistically insignificant.
And the observed diabetes was likely a result of obesity, an established
risk factor. Why did the USAF draw an unwarranted conclusion? Politics. It
wants to show Congress that,indeed, Air Force scientists were sufficiently
diligent in finding some harm caused by Agent Orange exposure -- even if
that harm had to be fabricated. [ via http://www.junkscience.com/ ]
: Have you fabricated any results lately? Are you well-rewarded? What's your
favorite fabricated result? Should we believe ANYTHING you say? Should any-
thing ANYONE says be believed? Is everything a lie? Is life a deception? Eh?
@ USELESS KNOWLEDGE but it's true: http://www.uselessknowledge.com
@ Real Live History: http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/
@ Real Live Technology History: http://www.thetech.org
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# GOD ON THE GRIDIRON. Religion is the year's biggest sports story. Why is
it getting so little play? http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es307_master.html
@ Why the resurgence of religion in sports? Should media cover this more?
www.feedmag.com/cgi-bin/loop/loop.cgi?function=areaviewdocument=es307.shtml
: Should sport-worship be tax-exempt? Should teams pray? Should nonbelievers
be excluded from sports? Should sports divide on sectarian lines? If Hindus
beat Xians, is {JHWH} dead? If Raelians beat Muslims, did ETs zap Mohammad?
# HARRY POTTER'S WIZARDRY BANNED FROM BRITISH SCHOOL - his magical powers go
against the Bible: http://CNN.com/2000/books/news/03/29/potter.banned.reut
# Prince Charles Gives Up Lunch for Lent - subsists on air, water and kinky
sado-masochistic sex: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000330/09/odd-charles
@ MEET YOUR GUARDIAN ANGEL: http://www.angeldoorway.com/ [put something on]
#
[CTRL] Fwd: Drug Laws Harm
Drug laws constitute an initiation of force and are therefore unethical according those who define acts of aggression as unethical, such as libertarians. Libertarian theory would posit that such unethical regulation will have a detrimental impact on society versus allowing unregulated voluntary association. A blue-ribbon commission composed of police officers, academics, and politicians assembled by the Police Foundation of Britain concluded that Britain's War on Drugs "produces more harm than it prevents." They also call for reducing acts of state-sponsored aggression against cannabis, LSD, and ecstasy users: === http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-03/30/158l-033000-idx.html === EXCERPT OF ARTICLE British Commission Concludes Tough Drug Law 'Produces More Harm' By T. R. Reid Washington Post Foreign Service Thursday, March 30, 2000; Page A14 LONDON, March 29 -- The swinging '60s were lively and creative years in this country as Britain exported cultural phenomena that caught on around the world--the Beatles, the miniskirt, etc. But the freewheeling decade also had its dark side. There was an explosion in drug use, and by 1971 the government reported that Britain had nearly 3,000 known drug addicts, an alarming figure to officials. This disturbing news led to a tough new criminal statute, the Misuse of Drugs Act, which triggered an American-style war on drugs. The result? Over the three decades since the law was passed, drug offenses have risen tenfold; the number of known addicts now tops 43,000. Britain has the toughest drug laws in Western Europe--and the fastest rate of growth in drug use. To figure out why the law failed to meet its goals, the national Police Foundation set up a blue-ribbon commission of police officers, academics and politicians to conduct a two-year study of British drug policy. The group's report, "Drugs and the Law," came out this week and concluded that the 1971 law is actually too tough, at least on such "soft" drugs as marijuana and the psychedelic substances LSD and ecstasy. "The present law," the commission concluded, "produces more harm than it prevents." Most drug crimes in Britain involve marijuana--about 80,000 of the 115,000 drug cases each year. But polls show that most Britons consider marijuana--or "cannabis," as it is known here--less dangerous than tobacco. The tough stance on marijuana, therefore, has made people distrust drug laws in general because it focuses on a drug they don't think is dangerous, thus undermining "credibility, respect for law and the police, and accurate education messages," the study says. [...] READ THE FULL WASHINGTON POST REPORT: === http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-03/30/158l-033000-idx.html === GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm
[CTRL] Fwd: THE LIGHTHOUSE: March 29, 2000
From: The Independent Institute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lighthouse list members [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: THE LIGHTHOUSE: March 29, 2000 THE LIGHTHOUSE "Enlightening Ideas for Public Policy..." VOL. 2, ISSUE 11 March 29, 2000 Welcome to The Lighthouse, the e-mail newsletter of The Independent Institute, the non-partisan, public policy research organization http://www.independent.org. We provide you with updates of the Institute's current research, publications, events and media programs. In this week's issue: 1. Gas Prices and Gas Taxes 2. Pro Team Sports: Are Politics and Corruption Winning? -- Transcript Available 3. "To Serve and Protect" Wins More Accolades GAS PRICES AND GAS TAXES The recent spike in gasoline prices has some lawmakers clamoring for a cut in gas taxes -- which now average 43 cents per gallon. Unfortunately, much of this chatter is more symbolic than sincere. In a new op-ed, titled "Gas Prices, Gas Taxes and Saddam Hussein," economist William F. Shughart (Research Fellow, The Independent Institute) argues that "there is no political will in Washington for reducing the federal gas tax, not because the effect on price would be small, but because there is a powerful political constituency that is happy with the run-up in the price of gas." "It is true that a modest reduction in the federal excise tax on gasoline will do nothing to increase supply, at least in the short run," Shughart continues. "But government does not have to stand idly by, impotently wringing its hands about the recent actions of the OPEC cartel." For William Shughart's analysis of how to reduce both gas prices and America's reliance on foreign oil, see his op-ed at http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink2-11-1.html. For information about the politics and economics of excise taxes, see the Independent Institute book, TAXING CHOICE: The Predatory Politics of Fiscal Discrimination, edited by William F. Shughart, at http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink2-11-2.html. Also see the Independent Institute book, TAXING ENERGY: Oil Severance Taxation and the Economy, by R. Deacon, S. DeCanio, H. E. Frech, and M. B. Johnson, at http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink2-11-3.html. PRO TEAM SPORTS: Are Politics and Corruption Winning? Transcript Available Many sports fans assume that government-owned and -subsidized sporting stadiums for local professional teams are a good, if not "essential," investment for municipalities. Not so, according to sports economists Roger Noll (Stanford Univ.) and Rodney Fort (Washington State Univ.). At their recent talks at The Independent Institute, Noll and Fort argued that new municipal stadiums do not raise tax revenue for the surrounding area; they merely reallocate the source of tax revenues by shifting consumer spending away from other activities, such as purchasing theater or concert tickets or restaurant meals. Furthermore, government stadiums help monopolistic sports leagues charge sports fans high ticket prices. On average, the economists said, two-thirds of the ticket price for a pro baseball, basketball, football or hockey game go to the multi-millionaire athletes and team owners -- a far greater share than would result in a competitive market unsupported by government subsidized sports stadiums. For the transcript of Roger Noll's and Rodney Fort's talks, "Pro Sports Teams: Are Politics and Corruption Winning?," see http://www.independent.org/tii/lighthouse/LHLink2-11-4.html. "TO SERVE AND PROTECT" WINS MORE ACCOLADES Bruce L. Benson, Senior Fellow at The Independent Institute and a leading authority on the economics of crime and punishment, continues to receive accolades for his recent book, TO SERVE AND PROTECT: Privatization and Community in Criminal Justice. In the journal THE RESPONSIVE COMMUNITY (Winter 1999/2000), David R. Karp writes, "Benson argues forcefully for returning the crime victim to the center of the justice process, and this is wholly consistent with emerging community justice and restorative justice philosophies It is a substantial and coherent work that provides theory with evidence. This makes it a book that cannot be easily dismissed, even if one is not as inclined as Benson is to trust in the 'power' of the free market. The irony for me, and I suspect for communitarians more generally, is that Benson arrives at many seemingly communitarian conclusions, but travels quite a different path to get there." And in the esteemed journal PUBLIC CHOICE (Vol. 102: pp. 175-178), economist Morgan O. Reynolds (Texas A M Univ.) also praises Benson's book. "Ultimately, because Benson's work is solidly anchored in historical reality, the logic in favor of a fully private justice system is surprisingly convincing, especially since he advocates it on an incremental and decentralized basis Perhaps Benson's most arresting evidence comes from Japan, Inc. Japan has the lowest
[CTRL] OEN 3/30/00
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from; http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A - Criminal Presidency Clinton Committed Criminal Violation of Privacy Act White House smeared Willey; opens door to lawsuit. WASHINGTON (AP) -- Resurrecting an impeachment controversy, a federal judge ruled Wednesday that President Clinton ''committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act'' by releasing personal letters to undermine the credibility of one of his accusers. Clinton immediately disputed the decision, saying he reluctantly released the letters two years ago because ''it was the only way I knew to refute allegations'' by Kathleen Willey of an unwanted sexual advance. U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth concluded the president and three top White House lawyers disregarded an earlier court ruling when they made Willey's letters public in the midst of the Monica Lewinsky scandal in 1998. ''This court cannot accept or condone this unlawful action,'' Lamberth wrote in a decision that clears the way for a lawsuit filed by the conservative group Judicial Watch to delve further into the issue. Initially, Lamberth's ruling simply requires White House lawyers to answer questions they earlier rejected about the decision to release the letters. But it could open the door for an eventual lawsuit by Willey. And the Justice Department, which is reviewing the decision, has an open investigation into another impeachment-related release of damaging information about a critic -- the Pentagon's release of data from Linda Tripp's personnel file. Independent Counsel Robert Ray, who must decide whether to indict Clinton after he leaves office, cannot prosecute a Privacy Act case because it only is a misdemeanor. The White House plans to appeal. Clinton said he never even considered the Privacy Act when he made the decision to release the letters. The president said he ''decided to do it reluctantly only because it was the only way I knew to refute allegations that were made against me that were untrue.'' He also took a swipe at Lamberth, noting the Republican appointee ''somehow acquired a significant percentage of the cases involving the White House. That's an interesting story.'' White House Counsel Beth Nolan said Lamberth's opinion is inconsistent with ''every Administration'' since 1975, ''Republican and Democratic alike,'' that the White House is not subject to the Privacy Act. The judge, who has presided over several lawsuits filed against the Clinton administration by Judicial Watch, minced no words, writing: ''The president committed a criminal violation of the Privacy Act.'' The judge said former White House Counsel Charles F.C. Ruff, Deputy Counsel Bruce Lindsey and former Deputy Counsel Cheryl Mills engaged in discussions that led to the release of the letters. And he rejected White House arguments that the lawyers' conversations were protected by attorney-client confidentiality. He noted the lawyers recommended the president release the letters just nine months after he issued a ruling that the White House needed to follow the Privacy Act. ''The White House and president were aware that they were subject to the Privacy Act, and yet chose to violate its provisions,'' Lamberth wrote. Presidential aides used the letters to undercut Willey's allegations, saying the correspondence showed the Virginia woman remained friendly with the president after the alleged sexual encounter. Clinton steadfastly has denied making the advance. Phone calls to Willey and her lawyer in Powhatan, Va., were not returned Wednesday. Lawrence Barcella, a veteran Washington lawyer, questioned the ruling. ''In Clinton's case, he appears to be relying on the advice of his legal counsel. Differing legal opinions don't always equal a violation,'' Barcella said. David Sobel, general counsel for the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said Willey may have a strong basis for a lawsuit against the president. ''It is highly unusual if not unprecedented for a court to find a criminal violation of the Privacy Act,'' Sobel said. Lamberth's ruling comes in a lawsuit by appointees from the Reagan and Bush administrations over the Clinton White House's gathering of hundreds of FBI background files on Republican appointees. The judge gave Judicial Watch, which is representing the former officials, wide latitude in exploring whether the White House routinely gathered and released damaging information about opponents. Lamberth found that releasing the Willey letters was a violation of the Privacy Act because they had been placed in the files of a federal agency -- in this case the White House -- and so must remain confidential. The group was allowed to ask extensive written questions about the Willey letters even though Willey is not party to the suit. Presidential aides refused to answer some questions, prompting Lamberth's ruling.
[CTRL] Microsoft Financial Fraud Update
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: http://billparish.com/2222fraudfactsupdate.html Click Here: A HREF="http://billparish.com/2222fraudfactsupdate.html"Micr osoft Financial Fraud Update/A - Tuesday February 22, 2000 4:00 PM Eastern Time Company Press Release SOURCE: Parish Company @ Copyright February 2000 Back to Parish Company Home Page 22-Feb-2000: Microsoft Financial Pyramid Accelerates, Collapses Health Care Privacy, Positions New Monopoly in Transaction Processing and Destabilizes the Stock Market. PORTLAND, OR - In October, 1998 Parish Company released a study indicating that the Microsoft Corporation had erected a financial pyramid scheme. Sadly, Microsoft employees were prepaying their own wages and the public and private retirement systems being pilfered just as Charles Keating plundered the Savings and Loan banks. Since then, other companies are now being forced to aggressively adopt similar techniques in order to compete yet these companies will fail because Microsoft's situation is unique. The pyramid is now accelerating and destabilizing both the stock market and overall economy, corrupting the Federal Reserves efforts to control the money supply and triggering false inflation. Microsoft, once a great technology company, has indeed become a "pied piper" of financial fraud. This brief update will explain a few reasons why this situation is unique to Microsoft and clearly financial fraud. Microsoft will be compared to four other leading technology firms, Amazon.com, Yahoo, Intel and America On Line. For an extended opinion laden discussion of this situation, a summary of impacts and various citations to external sources and questions and answers see http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html Please note that I am a competent investment advisor, not a professional writer. The first draft of a book is also complete and I am hopeful that someone who is creative and with strong writing skills will edit the manuscript, perhaps as a contributing author, and help identify a publisher. The key skill needed here is not computer or financial related but rather pure writing and editing skills. Your suggestions would be much appreciated. In addition, various tapes are available from radio interviews including KIRO in Seattle, Aspen Public Radio and KUIK here in Portland, Oregon. Microsoft's pyramid scheme, as with all such schemes, is about generating cash. Incentive Stock Options, ISO's, were about rewarding employees but the excessive issuance of Non Qualified or NQ stock options are not about rewarding employees but rather a scheme to generate cash. (See extended study for detailed description) This valuable cash can be used to purchase competitors and establish a beachhead in new industries and further extend the pyramid. A good example is WebMD. Few people realize that Microsoft is WebMD's largest shareholder and that in the last 6 months, while the Department of Justice is focused upon products, WebMD has come to dominate Internet based health care. WebMD, via its purchase of Quintiles, now has the largest database of medical records between patients, doctors and insurance companies. WebMD's privacy statement also clearly states that health information is exchanged among key partners to optimize services. Linux and other competitors will now find making inroads into this important growth market more difficult. In addition, traditional medical clinics, hospitals and health care providers will also have difficulty competing unless they similarly provide valuable health profile information to key partners, most notably drug companies, and correspondingly increase revenues. One of Microsoft's largest shareholders, the Janus family of mutual funds, also contributed $1 billion in cash to WebMD to fascilitate the development of this situation, in particular the purchase of Quintiles. Janus is starting to look more and more like one of Charles Keating's Savings and Loans. A key lesson from the Savings and Loan experience was for banks, in this case Janus, not to get too intertwined with the companies to which their depositors funds were dedicated. Janus of course earns significant management fees from its holdings in Microsoft stock, which have been in turn invested into WebMD. Yahoo.com now has an excellent new summary of institutional holders for key stocks. This can be accessed by selecting "profile" after inputting a ticker symbol, msft in Microsoft's case. The summary clearly indicates that Fidelity Investments and Janus are the largest holders of Microsoft stock. Like many technology firms, WebMD was stock rich and cash poor. Microsoft's cash investment in WebMD also required that WebMD barter to purchase $150 million of advertising on MSN Network in exchange for Microsoft directly subsidizing $150 million in prescriptions ordered over WebMD. Microsoft has a unique position in its ability to pump up gross sales at MSN
[CTRL] ZDNet: News: SEC Web snooping plan draws fire
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Click Here: A HREF="http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2486808,00.html?chkpt=zdhp news01"ZDNet: News: SEC Web snooping plan draws fire/A - SEC Web snooping plan draws fire Is it a good idea to spend millions of U.S. dollars to scour the Net for securities-law violators? Privacy advocates scream foul. By Michael Moss, WSJ Interactive Edition March 28, 2000 4:11 PM PT The Securities and Exchange Commission is moving to create an automated surveillance system that would scour the Internet for people who violate securities law. The agency has begun receiving proposals from vendors, who have conducted trial runs in recent weeks. But even before it gets under way, the multimillion-dollar project is running into trouble on privacy grounds. Sound off here!! Post your comment Privacy and fraud AnchorDesk Briefing Center: Privacy AnchorDesk Briefing Center: Net Politics ZDNet Topics: Security PairGain Web hoax: Hoke grounded SEC: Online brokers need more disclosure The mechanism would monitor public Web sites, message boards and chat groups. Anything deemed suspicious -- like the phrase "get rich quick" -- would be copied into a database, analyzed and then indexed for use by SEC investigators in bringing civil proceedings against people suspected of wrongdoing, according to the agency's project-contractor solicitation. The SEC also wants to grab e-mail addresses and other identifying information that would help unmask message writers and Web-site owners who try to remain anonymous. Other federal agencies might develop their own automated surveillance, the contracting records indicate. "For us it's a very exciting prospect," said Phyllis J. Cela, acting director of enforcement at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which has begun talking to vendors. PricewaterhouseCoopers said no But after reviewing the documents and holding discussions with SEC officials, one invited bidder, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP, advised the agency that it would not participate because the endeavor might impinge on constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure. Its chief concern: Innocent people would end up in the database. "We had serious concerns about the implications for the privacy of individuals on the Web, and the implications for businesses on the Web," said Beth Trent, a director who leads the firm's Internet compliance unit. "There are all sorts of legitimate reasons people want to remain anonymous," adds former U.S. Department of Justice computer-crime specialist Scott Charney, now a partner at PricewaterhouseCoopers. The SEC may also find itself pitted against giant Internet operators who consider even their public chat boards to be proprietary. America Online Inc. (NYSE: AOL), whose boards are cited in the SEC document as a surveillance target, said it routinely forbids anyone from harvesting information from its many thousands of chat rooms and message boards in order to protect the privacy of its customers. Privacy and anonymity Moreover, the SEC's foray comes at a time when the Federal Trade Commission and many states are scrambling to protect the privacy of Internet users. The threat of regulation and mounting public concern about online tracking by marketers are prompting many Web-site owners to take measures aimed at preventing their customers from being snooped on. SEC officials say they intend to address Web companies' concerns. "The Securities and Exchange Commission has a history of abiding with the letter and spirit of privacy laws and policies, and we will continue to maintain that position during this procurement," said George C. Brown, an assistant general counsel. The SEC also said it won't gather e-mail or other communications that don't appear in public forums, or make a record of people who simply visit a Web site or board but don't post any messages. And any information collected that doesn't indicate possible wrongdoing will be discarded. The agency also said the contractor will be bound by a strict nondisclosure agreement. The database project grew out of the SEC's frustration with trying to battle bad guys in cyberspace. The Internet is expanding quickly, and scanning it manually with traditional search engines is tedious at best. Then there's the problem of anonymity. As most cyberchatters decline to identify themselves, the SEC must often subpoena records from chat-board owners before it can get an investigation rolling. Some boards don't make that easy, said John Reed Stark, the SEC's chief Internet enforcement officer. "We're subpoenaing under incredible time constraints in these investigations," Stark said. "In some instances you're dealing with companies that are just starting out, and in other instances they are growing at phenomenal rates that are making other demands on their time." Front Page Tech Center Money and Investing Subscribe to wsj.com AOL goes a
Re: [CTRL] The Nazi War on Smoking
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On 30 Mar 00, at 11:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the notion that doing away with smoking leads to an elimination of disease and a longer healthier life is scarcely born out by the German experience. In particular, it is not born out by the life expectancies of German women, which turn out to be less, 42 years after the War and 37 years after the end of the tobacco shortage in Germany, than those of women in the United States who smoked freely during the same time when smoking was either banned for German women or unavailable to them because of shortages of tobacco. I am holding my breath, just waiting for the legal attacks on Pepsi and Coca Cola for the lethal ingredients in their products. Most especially for the diet colas with which they conquer the world and flood the markets. Surely they must know that aspertame (or NutraSweet) is a neurotoxin. Enough has been written about it for at least a decade. Yet Pepsi and Coke have no warning labels to let people know they are guzzling poisons which can cause them any number of diseases, disabilities, and serious daily discomforts. Now really, complaining about Coke and Pepsi would be unAmerican. But at the supermarket checkout, when I see a person with 6 gallon bottles, I can hardly restrain myself from delivering a rant about the dangers. sno0wl A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] King Dubya Air departing for Whampoa
!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en" htmlttFrom:/tt tt Bob lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/tt brbr blockquote TYPE=CITEttFrom:/tt tt"Catherine Austin Fitts" lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]/tt pttBut that is what people need. Easy to read, pulls lots of material together,/tt brttgreat graphics, available in book stores./tt brttWhen I read WhiteOut it was mostly new news to me. lt;snip/tt/blockquote Any port in a storm, but if one's boat gets confiscated, bror you have to sail in circles in port, that's a "take-off artist". pI read two articles in JBS's New American 2429, brby the author of Red Cocaine, Joseph D. Douglass, Jr. Because brof the mindset of JBSers, Douglass can name all the top US brbanks as drug-money launderers and the dirty commies as brthe dope pushers, smokescreening for the US military and brthe Latin American right. Apparently no one thinks to ask brwhy if the financiers deal in drugs and control the top levels brof US government they don't use their puppets to protect brtheir investments in commodities such as drugs, as well bras oil. JBS has heard the half about Ed Lansdale losing brthe Vietnam war, but not the whole about Lansdale's brbuddy Lucien Conein and Lansdale's takeover of SE Asian brheroin from the French. pThis fits the JBS position that the NWO money-lovers are brfinancing the commies as NWO stalking horse, but JBS brstill believes in the honor of Singlaub and half the honor brof Lansdale. Douglass blind-sides JBS readers with khaki brcocaine and gray cocaine and fascist ally cocaine. pDouglass cites the 1996 arrest of Cuban drug smuggler Jorge brCabrera with three tons of cocaine, since that hits commies and brGore, and Douglass is shilling for the Bushwhacker's Next brVietnam in Colombia. More recently, in 1999, a Colombian brnarc arrested other Cuban drug smugglers, but as if to rebut brDouglass, arrested along with the Cubans were Colombian brultra-rightists supposedly allied with Barry McCaffrey and brthe US in our drug war. pDouglass abuses the testimony of Marine General Lewis Walt brabout heroin addiction of US GIs in Vietnam. He may be brtwisting Walt's words, because "Chinese" should be inferred brto mean expatriate Chinese warlord armies in the Golden brTriangle, not communist "Chinese". pDouglass paints a simple picture where NWO financiers brengage in passive money-laundering rather than cold-call brfor commissions and hothouse their investments in opium and brcocaine, and Colombian drug-lords buy the latest shoulder- brfired missiles without end-user certs and secured delivery brcourtesy of their New York underwriters. brnbsp; pSubject:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; peru drug lords brDate:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 01:11:35 -0800 brFrom:nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Daniel Hopsicker lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED] pConspiracy theory I came across. pThe awful thing that happened in 1974 was an unprecedented bragricultral development project in the sunnynbsp; savannas of Santa brCruz in Bolivia. It takes 5 years to nurse up a transplanted seedling brof erythroxylon cocanbsp; into a cocaine producing bush. You have to bruse heavy machinery to sculpt the whole landscape into irrigated brterraces (were talking woody perenial dwarf trees here not weedy brannuals like pot) and surely there was a lot of heartbreak and brfrustration for these internal mafiosi, and their CIA and DEA broverseers, as they coaxed this Andean altiplano shrub into growing brwhere it had never been cultivatednbsp; before, and in geometrically huger brquantities over five profitless years. pBut five years later the coca harvest of 1979 changed history, changed brit to this very day and far beyond. If you want to make a graph of brwholesale kilo prices, '79 is when they peaked and began to plummet brvertically down to chum change. That's the year the DEA begins brsuddenly boasting of grabbing coke shipments by the long ton instead of brpetty kilo seizures from the years before. If we could only go back to br1974 and find out who was landscaping the savannas in Santa Cruz that bryear. I'llnbsp; give you a hint... pThe corporate lawyer for a lot of those cruzena mafiosi was Vladimiro brMontesinos, who now runs the Peruvian secret service, a distinguished brdinner chum of US Drug Czar Gen. Barry McCaffrey. p-- brDaniel Hopsicker brThe Drug Money Times brA HREF="http://www.MadCowProd.com"http://www.MadCowProd.com/A br"All the news that's ripped from print!" pScandal in contemporary U.S. life is an institutionalized sociological brphenomenon. It is not due primarily to psychopathological variables, brbut is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing which has brocccurred since 1963." p"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S. since 1963 are brfundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people and institutions brhave been involved."nbsp;nbsp; --Prof.David Simon, "Elite Deviance 6th edition br___ pHi. This is the
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Jews being the exception, as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [MC] Operation Mockingbird - The Subversion Of America's Free Press By TheCIA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IUFO [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SNETNEWS [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MC] Operation Mockingbird - The Subversion Of America's Free Press By TheCIA Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 8:26 PM Operation Mockingbird - Operation Mockingbird - The Subversion Of America's Free Press By The CIA 3-24-00 "You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991) As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the press in known to be controlled by the government, at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias is present, and to adjust for it. In the United States of America, we are taught from birth that our press is free from such government meddling. This is an insideous lie about the very nature of the news institution in this country. One that allows the government to lie to us while denying the very fact of the lie itself. The Alex Constantine Article Tales from the Crypt The Depraved Spies and Moguls of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD By Alex Constantine Who Controls the Media? Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations with grinning, double-breasted executives, interlocking directorates, labor squabbles and flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola. Disney. Newspapers should have mastheads that mirror the world: The Westinghouse Evening Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser . It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of armchair ombudsmen that the public print reports news from a parallel universe - one that has never heard of politically-motivated assassinations, CIA-Mafia banking thefts, mind control, death squads or even federal agencies with secret budgets fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on their best behavior. In this idyllic land, the most serious infraction an official can commit __is a the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder) no residency status. This unlikely land of enchantment is the creation of MOCKINGBIRD. It was conceived in the late 1940s, the most frigid period of the cold war, when the CIA began a systematic infiltration of the corporate media, a process that often included direct takeover of major news outlets. In this period, the American intelligence services competed with communist activists abroad to influence European labor unions. With or without the cooperation of local governments, Frank Wisner, an undercover State Department official assigned to the Foreign Service, rounded up students abroad to enter the
[CTRL] Fwd: [MC] Tonight on TV: Mind Control/CIA
Fwd:TLC= The Learning Ch. Secrets of the C.I.A. - TLC Thu Mar 30 9:00PM Documentary (60 minutes) Ex-CIA agents tell their personal stories. Mind Control - TLC Thu Mar 30 10:00PM Documentary (60 minutes) (new: TV14) Mass propaganda, spies, secret experiments instigate ideological conflicts. __ Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List info: www.topica.com/lists/mc. _ Enlighten your in-box. http://www.topica.com/t/15
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #2
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- SkeptiNews 000330b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/29_03_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * NEW path to notices, excuses, sightings etc: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No locusts were mentally abused to produce this bulletin. Not really... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Free Stuff: http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/03/30/free.stuff4.idg/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # LAND OF THE LIVING DEAD - Bohemian vampires rise again... and again... and again... (Prague Post) Time and again, archeologists working in the Czech Republic come across what they believe are vampire graves. The skeletons they find have been mutilated using methods that, in the superstition- fueled middle ages, were thought to destroy the suckers once and for all. Bodies were exhumed, stakes driven, limbs severed, bones broken. Today it may seem like overkill. But when vampires stalked the land, it was better to be safe than sorry. http://www.praguepost.cz/feat032900a.html # Bounty on Indian Scalps to Be Reconsidered. HALIFAX (Reuters) Canada will consider striking down a 244-year-old provincial law that offers hunters a bounty for Indian scalps, following complaints by native groups. Bounty on Realtors remains: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000330/09/odd-indians : Have you killed any non/sub/super-humans lately? Would you prefer extinct- ion for vampires, Indians, bears, aliens, cockroaches, atheists, skaters? Do you have a strategy for escaping extinction? Is anyone hunting you? Why not? # Escaped German Polar Bears Killed: www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608461 # Earth Needs 10 Million Years To Recover From A Mass Extinction - in your case, maybe longer: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000329080536.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Nun Held in Probe of Fellow Nun's Murder. BOGOTA (Reuters) Police detained a Colombian nun on suspicion of involvement in the murder of a fellow nun whose burned mutilated body was found dumped on a highway outside Bogota late last year. http://news.excite.com/news/r/000330/09/odd-nun @ The Atheism Web: http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/orgs.html # Silence, Celibacy Before Death: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608465 # 'Summer Time' Ruins Sex: http://news.excite.com/news/r/000330/09/odd-time # Fanatical Cult - Silent Death: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608340 @ 'Dear Police Officer...' I don't want to kill you. I don't even want to wound you. But I must. http://www.sightings.com/general/dearpolice.htm : Has your (non)belief system driven you to kill/kiss/klone anybody lately? Do you worship death and call it life, and/or vice-versa, and/or something else entirely? Is your life enhanced/diminished/empowered by (non)beliefs? # Hippys Rule: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_695000/695976.stm @ We Owe All To Hippies: http://members.aye.net/~hippie/hippie/special_.htm @ Grateful Dead Lyric Finder: http://www3.clearlight.com/~acsa/intro.htm _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Locust Forced To Watch Star Wars (Press Assn) A locust has been made to watch battle scenes from the movie Star Wars to help scientists from Newcastle University develop a new collision avoidance system for cars. www.excite.co.uk/news/news_story/technology/pa_tech_2329203000_2.txt # BUGS BEHIND THE WHEEL: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news_223238.html # Rover, Over and Over: Here Comes Pet Cloning - Genetic Savings Clone will preserve your pet's DNA for the day when it can be used to make a copy. http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/mar2000/nf00329c.htm : Are there limits to what is acceptable in biotech research? Have you tor- tured any bugs lately - physically/mentally/spiritually? Have you enhanced/ diminished any animals/plants/people/aliens/ideas? Are you driven by demons? # EU To Speed Clone Patents: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9608935 # US To Overhaul Net Patents: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9609107 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Australia now a 'GM laboratory.' CANBERRA - Australia has become an inter- national laboratory for the development of genetically modified food crops a British farming expert warned yesterday. Enhanced wallabies shouted him down, spat: http://www.theage.com.au/news/2331/A40298-2000Mar30.html @ Who has saved more human lives than anyone else in history? Despite his Nobel Peace Prize, you may never have heard of Norman Borlaug. Try GREEN REVOLUTION then: http://www.reason.com/0004/fe.rb.billions.html : Should humanity be fed? Why? How? Will food shortages, environmental degr- adation, lack of quality-of-life, be sufficient motivation for humanity to leave Earth and conquer the universe? Can humanity meet the challenge? How? # FORMIDABLE FROTH - The GM beer that
[CTRL] Fw: SN961R1:Brits Knight General Grisly Clark
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 2:04 PM Subject: SN961R1:Brits Knight General Grisly Clark This is pitiful. An American general is knighted for pitting the might of 19 "brave" NATO nations of 800 million against one tiny sovereign nation of 10 million innocent people. Robert Fisk of the Independent wrote of West Point's brilliant strategist, General Wesley Clark, "It is not easy to admit that during 78 days of bombing, after so many bombs and missiles, only 13 tanks have been destroyed. Unable to admit what really happened, Clark accused the majority of western media of spreading the VJ propaganda. After all nonense that NATO representatives spoke during the bombing of Yugoslavia, it was inevitable for the disgraced General Clark, who tried to persuade British troops to come in conflict with Russians at Pristina airport, to try his level best to prove that NATO fulfilled its tasks" (Pg: 362, "Kosovo Crisis, a study in foreign policy mismanagement," by Vojin Joksimovich, Ph.D). Stella - On 03/30/00 01:42:42 you wrote: http://www.the-times.co.uk (Britain) March 30 2000 BRITAIN Nato chief knighted at MoD BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR A UNIQUE ceremony took place in the Ministry of Defence yesterday when the American general who commanded Nato's Kosovo operation was presented with the insignia of an honorary knighthood. The honour was conferred on General Wesley Clark, Nato's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe (Saceur), by Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary. Mr Hoon, acting for the Queen in her absence, presented the insignia of the Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire (KCB) to General Clark, during a "relaxed" ceremony in the Defence Secretary's office. As an honorary knight, General Clark is not entitled to call himself Sir Wesley. Nor would he have been knighted in the traditional manner with the sword had the ceremony taken place at Buckingham Palace. General Clark is one of only a few foreign military personnel to receive an honorary knighthood. His two predecessors as Saceur were not knighted. Previous recipients include General Colin Powell, the former Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, and General Norman Schwarzkopf, the American commander during the 1991 Gulf War. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --End forward message--- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jeff Sandlin wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!
In The Name of God Most Gracious, Most Merciful Waco Protest ALERT! Since the release of the new Waco video X : A True Revelation I have received a flood of mail requesting further information on the current government control of Mt.Carmel here in Waco. Also there has been a flood of attempts at the suppression of this truth . I have been trying to post the review, written by Carol Valentine on a web site with my ISP. I just got off the phone with a man who identified himself as Danny, from Stone Media that threatened me that they can shut me down for any reason they chose. Are they making a political statement? Hopefully the president at Stone media is being forced into this situation. I have talked with him and he has understanding of the reality that I am delivering a political message of great intensity. He understood completely that there would by nature be an opposing group, however he may have not realized how much pressure they are willing to apply to me and those around me. The freedom of speech was not won by speech nor will it, in the end, be defended by speech. They may, as they have said, shut me down anytime they want to. This is the power that the government wants over us to. This is also the power that the government HAS over some ISPs. Clearly if you control the bridge you effectively control anyone that wishes to use that bridge ,regardless of what side they are on! Ed McGoory wrote this concerning earlier attempts to shut me down Hopefully he is still standing strong. -Original Message- To: Ed M [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, March 24, 2000 9:32 PMSubject: RE: Stonemedia policies ..Allow me to explain myself . We had received several complaints aboutAndrews E-mails being received as unsolicited e-mail. Sending unsolicitede-mail is a violation of our terms of service agreement that we have withall of our customers. The only intent we had in temporarily suspending hisaccount (Which was dial up as well as e-mail) was to get in touch with him.I spoke with him about the issue and at that time decided that what he wasdoing was in fact not a violation of our agreement. I asked to be added tohis list not to censor or moderate the content of his messages but to beaware so I could better answer the e-mails and complaints when they arrive.I understand this could be a controversial issue and this will make iteasier for us to head off any complaints as they arrive . We are in no waytrying to determine and or regulate what Andrew is sending or infringe onhis right to free speech, only to ensure that We as a internet serviceprovider are protected. We reviewed the situation and determined Andrew isnot violating the terms of service in any way and full access has beenrestored to his account. Please feel free to post this response to any ofthe newsgroups you feel fit and e-mail me if you have any further questions.Ed McGoryVice PresidentStoneMedia CommunicationsTemple, Texas 76502[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ed: Thanks for your nice note!I expected your investigation would find Andrew innocent and I am happy hisservice has been restored. I will certainly post your response to therelevant Usenet groups.
[CTRL] Philosophy Cafe'
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teeped in Thought: The Philosophy Café Movement
By Joshua Glenn, contributing editor, Britannica.com
Participants in the movement that has come to be known as "applied philosophy"
tend to describe themselves as escapees from the confines of the ivory tower.
Musty academics no longer, these newly minted philosophical practitioners claim
to be doing philosophy "in the public sphere." While it's noteworthy that in
recent years philosophy Ph.D's have found it increasingly possible to moonlight
as consultants and even counselors, this isn't exactly doing philosophy pro
publico. One might ask, then, whether the applied philosophy movement in fact
provides ordinary, thoughtful people with public forums in which to
philosophize.
Thanks to a disaffected Nietzsche scholar in Paris, the answer is yes. In 1992
Marc Sautet, a lecturer in philosophy, decided that a promising academic career
just wasn't enough. So he invited some friends to participate in a pugilats
d'idées ("conceptual fisticuffs") for two hours every Sunday morning, at the
Café des Phares on the Parisian Place de la Bastille. Sautet's "Café
Philosophique" (as it came to be called, or café-philo for short) seems to have
filled a void that people didn't realize they had. University students, idle
wealthy women, off-duty cab drivers, and eccentric citizens off the street
began to show up, week after week, to discuss subjects as abstract as truth and
beauty and as concrete as sex and death.
Sautet, who died suddenly of a brain tumor in 1998 at the age of 51, was by all
accounts a highly charismatic figure. His 1995 book Un Café pour Socrate,
written partly in response to gibes from skeptics within academic philosophy
and mainstream journalism alike, compared the café-philo experience to a
Socratic elenchus, or cross-self-examination, through which one becomes aware
that nothing can be taken for granted. It's difficult to imagine making an
ordeal such as this seem fun and exciting, but Sautet pulled it off with great
aplomb: In 1997 a writer for Salon compared Sautet's café-philo to "a college-
town literature workshop and a Quaker meeting rolled into one, with a pinch of
karaoke." By the time Sautet died there were more than 100 cafés-philos
operating throughout France. Today there are close to 150.
Still not sure what a café-philo is all about? The American Philosophical
Practitioners Association explains that "a philosopher's café is not a
philosophy lecture; the philosopher presides only as a moderator, to maintain
the conversation on a philosophical footing. The discussion is thoughtful but
nontechnical. You will be challenged to defend your beliefs or opinions, but
you will not be asked to refer to a list of philosophy books in order to
support your views. In fact, the opposite is usually true: Instead of showing
off your erudition by referring to great works you may have studied, you will
be obliged to think for yourself, to give your own reasons for the views you
hold."
Must the moderator (facilitator, if you prefer) of a philosophy café be a
trained philosopher? Not necessarily. Sautet, who also worked as a
philosophical counselor, once explained that, "I help my clients to structure
their thoughts. I am there to nourish their doubts and pose the right
questions, not to supply the answers." This could serve as an apt description
of a café-philo facilitator. To fill that role one should be good at helping a
group of people ask themselves questions and then helping them question those
questions. Philosophers are trained in this sort of inquiry, but that doesn't
mean a non-philosopher can't be good at it, too.
Having exploded like a revolutionist's bomb in the infamous Place de la
Bastille, one might have expected that the café-philo idea would eventually
spread outward from Paris. Cafés-philos have appeared in Belgium, Greece,
Switzerland, Austria, Germany, South America, and Japan. They've also taken
root and begun to flourish in Britain and the United States. I recently tracked
down half-a-dozen apostles of the café-philo movement in the latter two
countries and asked them a range of questions about philosophy cafés, from the
idealistic ("What is the most important goal, and what can one do as a
facilitator or participant to achieve this goal?") to the materialistic ("What
is the most effective group size?"). In the remainder of this article I'll take
a look at the philosophy café scene in England. Next week I'll explore its
American counterpart and appraise the phenomenon as a whole.
The Philosophy Café Crosses the Channel
In November 1997 Gale Prawda, a Paris-based American philosopher, traveled to
London to launch a regular philosophy café there. Prawda, who'd studied with
the influential French philosopher Paul Ricoeur in the 1970s, had turned away
from philosophy since then because, as
Re: [CTRL] Waco Protest ALERT!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- S... Is it true that you were arrested NOT for being a "martyr" but for UNPAID PARKING TICKETS? And that your "nemesis", Clive Doyle actually BAILED YOU OUT Jeez...With friends like this...hmmm... Answers puhlse! Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reports suggests NASA trying to do too much with too little
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "Over the past year, I have continually been amazed by the reports coming out of NASA about the mission failures and program delays," noted Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican and the chairman of the Commerce Committee. "The extent of mismanagement noted in these reports is very startling." Reports suggests NASA trying to do too much with too little Copyright © 2000 Nando Media Copyright © 2000 Christian Science Monitor Service By PETER GRIER, The Christian Science Monitor WASHINGTON (March 29, 2000 12:03 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Last week scientists accidentally shook a $75 million NASA satellite 10 times harder than they were supposed to during a vibration test. It cracked. This incident followed NASA's discovery of rejected engine seals on the space shuttle - again. The seals were supposed to be thrown away, unlike the tanks for the International Space Station, which were fine but got tossed in a landfill anyway. That's the same space station that's so loud NASA may require astronauts to wear earplugs. Three years ago, NASA gloried in the success of the Pathfinder Mars probe. Today critics complain it's an agency that couldn't run a dinner for two. The release Tuesday of a report on the disappearance of a $165 million spacecraft over Mars last December is only the latest to raise questions about NASA's "faster, better, cheaper" philosophy of operations. It's unlikely the civilian space agency will go back to the days of concentrating on a few, more expensive projects. But congressional concern has reached such a level that Administrator Dan Goldin may have to adopt some kind of management reforms. "Over the past year, I have continually been amazed by the reports coming out of NASA about the mission failures and program delays," noted Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican and the chairman of the Commerce Committee. "The extent of mismanagement noted in these reports is very startling." Earlier this decade, the situation at the once-proud agency was very different. In 1993, Mars Observer disappeared, at the loss of almost $1 billion. With budgets tight, it was clear NASA couldn't afford many such failures in the future. Goldin's mantra of "faster, better, cheaper" was intended to get the agency to work more efficiently on a larger number of smaller projects, spreading risks and costs. The Pathfinder probe symbolized the promise of this approach. Pathfinder seemed more cousin to a radio-control toy than the linear descendent of Apollo moon rockets. Yet its images of the Red Planet's surface thrilled audiences around the world. The Goldin approach has produced an increase in the number of unmanned space missions, while sharply reducing development time and cost. But in recent years, lower-level NASA scientists have increasingly complained that they are being squeezed too hard, and that the agency's work is suffering. Then last year, failures began mounting: Two Mars probes were lost, shuttle flights were delayed, and the Hubble Space Telescope was forced to temporarily shut down, among other letdowns. NASA management ordered up a series of reviews. In general, they have pointed to a loss of talent, poor oversight of contractors, and cost-cutting as major reasons for the agency's troubles. The Mars Climate Orbiter review board said that the simple failure to convert measurements into metric units misdirected the craft and likely sent it skipping into space last September. NASA should have caught the mistake, said the report. "Even now, NASA may be operating on the edge of high, unacceptable risk on some projects," said the study. The reports paint a picture of an agency that is not so much badly managed as thinly managed, says space-policy expert John Pike of the Federation of American Scientists. "When you look at what went wrong with the Climate Orbiter, there were eight or nine specific mistakes - all of them attributable to understaffing," says Pike. Aiming to launch a larger number of cheaper space missions still makes sense in today's era, Pike says. That is a sentiment with which the just- released report on the failure of Mars Polar Lander agrees: "One lesson that should not be learned is to reject out of hand all the management and implementation approaches used by these projects." The Polar Lander was last heard from in December as it neared the Red Planet surface. Any number of technical reasons could explain its disappearance, according to the study. The most likely is a software error that caused an accidental shutdown of the spacecraft's engine as it descended. The Lander's 12 thrusters were supposed to cease firing when they sensed the jolt of landing. But the craft's computer "brain" may have interpreted the vibration caused by the automatic extension of landing legs as this jolt - resulting in a plunge to destruction. Among the report's lessons learned: Experienced project
[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- SkeptiNews 000330c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question * Yesterday's bulletins: http://web.pitas.com/skeptinews/29_03_2000.html * Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion. * PLEASE do NOT include the ENTIRE bulletin when you reply; cut/paste, eh? * NEW path to notices, excuses, sightings etc: http://skeptilog.pitas.com * No established paradigms were shattered to produce this bulletin. Darn. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ @ Atlantis http://news.excite.com/photo/img/ap/germany/clock/2329/dus101 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ### CAUS COURT CASE DISMISSED -- NO D.O.D. COVERUP -- DETAILS SOON ### @ Can You See What I See? http://www.caus.org/pn033000.htm @ Try: http://web.pitas.com/skepticon/27_03_2000.html#000327a # SASQUATCH A DIFFERENT SPECIES: http://www.earthfiles.com/earth122.htm # Agony in the garden - A Santa Rosa, California diocese recovers from a sex-abuse scandal, and finds that healing comes through facing the truth. Not that I noticed: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2000/03/30/abuse/ # New Age Takes Up Residence On Oregon Coast - A California group that lives communally believes in extraterrestrials will move its businesses here. GARDINER -- The former headquarters of a forest-industry giant soon will be home to a New Age religious group from California that espouses love, spiritual power communal living, while selling liquor-license consulting services. Residents of this former mill town don't know quite what to expect. Hopefully it won't be another doomsday cult with mass graves, eh? http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/00/03/nw_ 71love25.frame : Has your cult/sect/plot/firm/govt taken over any small towns lately? Has your small town been taken over lately? Were you swamped with drugs, orgies, chants, vibes, yetis? Did the Space Brothers land? Will they ever go away? _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Wife: Man Didn't Control Uganda Cult. KABUMBA, Uganda (AP) - Eight years after Joseph Kibwetere abandoned his family to help form a doomsday sect, his faded black-and-white photographs still adorn his wife's home, along- side pictures of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Pope. No indict- ments yet: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000330/17/uganda-cult-deaths # Further cult horrors unearthed. (BBC) The extent of the doomsday cult deaths in Uganda is emerging as a fifth mass grave is found. Awesome. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_696000/696254.stm # Also - Priest who 'murdered' his flock - just as all shepherds do: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_696000/696254.stm # Death cult activities 'ignored' - watch out for Scientology now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_695000/695268.stm @ TALKING POINT - Cult crazy - Are cults a danger to society? Discuss: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_684000/684006.stm # Pope Says Holy Land Trip 'Unforgettable' - as long as he keeps taking his hormones: http://upway.com/cgi-bin/readnews?day=00_03_29item=#954362487 : Has your belief system and/or it's leadership amassed incredible wealth? Have any members of your sect survived? For how long? Does your sect provide a spiritual uplift? How much is that worth? How much do you have? Any more? @ Even biblical moralists will now defend their codes of conduct with psychobabble. How did self-esteem become religion's chief objective? http://www.thepublicinterest.com/current/article1.html [Spring 2000] _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # The Noise of Hate Music: http://www.newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9607939 # Learning the Songs of Animals: http://newshub.com/cgibin/rd.cgi?9610511 @ America is drowning in its own soundtrack. Music crams every inch of public space. You can't even find a bar where you can nurse a quiet drink: http://www.theatlantic.com/cgi-bin/o/issues/2000/03/bottum.htm # DON'T LIKE IT? BLAME THE AUDIENCE: A composer/scientist has undertaken a series of performance in Zurich with his computer-generated music. The computer "reads" the audience - fidgets, coughs, shifting in the chairs - and translates the variables into music. John Cage, eat your ambient heart out! http://www.newscientist.com/news/news_223142.html : Are you enveloped in audiovisual/socioeconomic/spiritual noise? D'ya have a quiet place within/without yourself? Can you share the quiet? Does anybody listen to your quiet? Do voices in your head tell you to shut the fuck UP!?! @ AstroHunger: http://www.bobs.com/Recordings/Lyrics.cgi?Meat_On_The_Moon @ The New Economy: http://www.bobs.com/Recordings/Lyrics.cgi?Food_To_Rent @ Sing It Out Loud, Eh? http://www.google.com/search?q=moose+turd+pie _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ # Author warns of psychological danger of bioterrorism hype. BERGEN, NJ. Publicity given to threats of bioterrorism is almost as disruptive as an actual attack, an expert on
[CTRL] Oregon Cattle Mutilations...Plus QA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Mysterious Calf Deaths In Brothers, Oregon © 2000 by Linda Moulton Howe Oregon map with Sand Springs highlighted southeast of Bend near Brothers and Millican. The Millican Valley between Millican and Brothers is where the dozen dead calves were found March 18 and 19, 2000. It's also where fourteen dead calves and a pig with its legs cut off were found in March 1999. The circled X marks the area where eyewitness Dwain Wright saw mutilated bull and where a cowboy described having seen glowing discs that lifted cattle up in glowing beams and dropped them back down through the trees in late 1970s to early 1980s. Brothers, southeast of Bend, Oregon March 29, 2000 - The high desert area Southeast of Bend, Oregon has long been associated with unusual animal deaths known as "animal mutilations." A very active area back in the 1970s and early 1980s was the Pine Mountain area that included Sand Springs and Brothers, Oregon. In the second half of this report, an eyewitness describes animal mutilations in Sand Springs associated with glowing discs and beams of light. On Saturday, March 18th, a Deschutes County Sheriff Deputy and Oregon Animal Humane Agent, Kimball Lewis, were called out to investigate four dead calves in the remote Millican Valley northwest of Brothers. The calves were divided up in pairs about a quarter mile apart. All four had been strangely and bloodlessly skinned. The next day, Sunday, March 19th, eight more calves were found in the same area. Four of those had also been skinned the same way. Puzzling over the lack of tracks and blood on the ground, Kimball Lewis decided to call in a veterinarian to do necropsies to see what the calves looked like inside. Lewis has worked sixteen years on animal abuse cases, first in Colorado. Then in 1996, Lewis was appointed by Oregon's governor to be one of the state's four commissioned agents specializing in large animal abuse and neglect. But he had never seen anything before like the skinned calves. Only one year ago in March 1999, fourteen other dead calves and a pig with its legs cut off had been found only a couple of miles from this new batch of dead calves in March 2000. Early last week, an Oregon judge placed a temporary gag order on the case. Afterward, another eighteen calves were reported dead, but by March 28th, Kimball Lewis said those additional eighteen belonged to a rancher who had simply dumped dead spring calves to avoid going to a landfill. Mr. Lewis agreed to talk with me on the record about what he knows so far, particularly about the eight skinned calves. Interview Kimball Lewis, Oregon Humane Agent, Bend, Oregon: "And these animals had their skins removed from just behind their front shoulders, if you will, in a 360 degree pattern down to if you can imagine what would be the equivalent of our ankles on their hind legs. The skin removed was neatly and uniformly down to that area on these animals. SO THE HIDE ON THE HEAD AND NECK WAS THERE. BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WAS REMOVED DOWN TO WHAT WOULD BE THE LOWER HALF OF EACH OF THEIR FOUR LEGS? That's correct. NOW, WAS THE LUMEN TISSUE THAT THIN TISSUE OVER MUSCLE STILL INTACT? It appeared to be, yes. DID YOU FIND THAT TO BE UNUSUAL? From a forensics standpoint, it appeared to be an anomaly. And I really didn't have any explanation for that. I did at that point elect to have a state certified large animal specialist, a veterinarian, return to the scene for the purposes of taking tissue samples and to obtain any other physical evidence that we could garner from that scene. NOW, THAT WAS DR. TRISH KENTNER? Yes. OK, SHE'S A VETERINARIAN. DID SHE TAKE THESE ANIMALS BACK TO HER CLINIC? OR DID SHE DO THE NECROPSIES IN THE FIELD? We conducted the necropsies in the field at the site and removed some tissue samples and removed those. In hind sight, it's difficult to say one way or the other which would have been the preferred method. But given the size of these animals, it's not as easy to pick them up and take them up as it would be smaller specimens. And so, we discussed that between us and thought that taking of tissue samples would be sufficient for analyses at that point. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO WEEK OLD CALVES. Yeah, they appeared to be about two weeks old and along those lines, one of the first questions was: Is it possible these were calves that died during the birthing process because this is calving season. This is the time of year when calves are born. So, one of the things we wanted to determine through the necropsy, and necropsy being the animal version of an autopsy, we wanted to determine if these animals were stillborn? Or had they been alive and thriving? And when we opened the cavities into the internal organs of the animals, we were able to determine that there was food stuffs or milk in the digestive process and that we were
[CTRL] Criminal Just Us - 'Wise Guy'
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I went alookin' for some info on Neil Bush, Duh-Bya's little brother, and
came up with this for starters. It seems the Bush boies are like little
statically charged thingies, attracted by and to those with an affinity for
dubious (DuhBya-ous ?) business practices. This essay explores who gets the
all-expenses paid stay the Vertical Bar Hotel ... and who doesn't. AER
From
http://www.evoyage.com/Snipettes/Politics2000a.htm
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Essays and Theories
Politics2000: America's Criminal Justice System and the Resource Alignments:
An Evolutionary Perspective©
by
William A. Spriggs
Before you begin reading this essay, I must strongly insist that you read my
Evolutionary Snippet: The Littleton Shootings: An Evolutionary Perspective.
You may click here to take you to this essay. This will assist you greatly in
understanding my use of the resource alignments found in this particular essay.
In the Littleton essay, I used the Columbine High School as a setting with
group behavioral patterns of cliques and outcasts as a backdrop for our society
as a whole. This is not all that surprising because since the Littleton
shootings, in the back water electronic bulletin boards consisting of members
from the Human Behavior and Evolution Society, interest has been raised by some
of my colleagues that high schools represent controlled environments which
could approximate the hunter-gatherer clans of our primal ancestors in a social
context but that more study is needed to establish that assumption. Of
particular interest, consensus has been formed that the larger the school, the
greater the density and diversity of clans (cliques), and vice versa. The
basics are there; high schools are filled with both females and males of
approximately the same young age; born with the software of thousands of years
of evolution flowing through their veins and bursting forth with enthusiasms
and vehement emotions; all products of genetic heritage and molded by the
culture of a local environment. The average age of high schoolers today roughly
represents -- perhaps a bit on the younger side -- the age of our ancient Homo
sapiens in hunter-gatherer groups where they were most likely at their peak of
reproduction, hunting, mating, and social interactions; which includes war
between male members from opposing clans which initially battled for resources.
What may vary the behaviors in our present time from school to school is the
attention or non-attention of school authorities to disciplinarian measures and
cultural circumstances surrounding the school area. In this essay on Resource
Alignments and the American justice system, there can be no doubts that the
system is split into two resource directions; one for those with financial
resources and one for those without financial resources. I speculated that
these two polarities paid a role in the Littleton violence, and I have used two
elements from the Littleton essay: The Resource Retention Rule, and the
Resource Retention Alliances as they apply to the American Judicial System.
In late September of 1998, a 54 year-old male confessed to the Aspen Police and
the Pitkin County Sheriff's Department in Aspen Colorado that he had
misappropriated $6 million in business funds. The Federal Bureau of
Investigation was called into the case, but several months passed before the
man was even charged with the wrong for which he confessed. In an inquiry from
a reporter at The Denver Post, this male replied with a hand-written note: "I
used the money involved to pay business and personal obligations and make
unauthorized investments. I believe the shortfall is approximately six million
dollars."
The man that made that confession was Mr. Michael R. Wise, the former executive
in charge of the defunct Silverado Savings and Loan of Denver. Not until
February 5th, 1999 was a criminal complaint filed against Mr. Wise, which read
as follows:
Between 1995 and 1996, Wise received 12 loans from investors totaling nearly
$4.3 million. He used interest in limited liability corporations as collateral
for the loans. "Those interests, however, did not exist or otherwise were not
available to be pledged. Those that were available had a total of value of
$486,500."
Wise spent that $4.3 million between June 1, 1996, and Aug. 18, 1998.
(Approximately, $176,923 a month).
"He solicited and received from investors more money than was needed to make
the loans. He converted the excess money to his own use."
Between Nov. 7, 1996, and March 21, 1997, Wise solicited $1.25 million from 10
investors to fund a loan. The actual loan amount was $1.1 million. He pocketed
the additional $150,000.
On April 4th, 1999, Mr. Wise entered Federal Court and offered a guilty plea to
two count of wire fraud in the theft of 8.7 million dollars from investors. The
judge asked Wise, "Do you understand you will be a convicted felon?" "Yes,"
replied Mr. Wise, who up till that time
[CTRL] Criminal Just Us: 'Banks For the Memories'
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A little more information on the strange attraction by and to the Fabulous
Bush Boies of unusual busy-ness in the business community.
Oh, try to get the Wilmsen book any more!
From amazon.com:
Silverado : Neil Bush and the Savings Loan Scandal
by Steven K. Wilmsen
Availability: This title is out of print. Although it is no longer available
from the publisher, we'll query our network of used bookstores for you and send
an update within one to two weeks.
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 622,821
Up to St Martins, would sound the same but for SoftSkull you can get (now):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1887128506/o/qid=954465197/sr=2-1/104-
6214156-2439664
Fortunate Son: George W. Bush And The Making Of An American President
by J. H. Hatfield, Toby Rogers (Introduction), Nick Mamatas (Introduction)
Paperback - 340 pages 1 edition (January 1, 2000)
Soft Skull Press, Inc.; ISBN: 1887128506 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.87 x 8.99
x 6.01
Amazon.com Sales Rank: 9,796
AER
From
http://www.netmagic.net/~franklin/SS1.html
Via
http://www.netmagic.net/~franklin/SM1.html
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Silverado Savings and Loan
The Cover Up of a Cover Up
The following is the full text of a letter I sent to the San Jose Mercury News
on April 18, 1994. The only changes are to improve the readibility of the
letter in an HTML format.
TO: The San Jose Mercury News , 750 Ridder Park Drive, San Jose, CA, 95190
DATE: April 18, 1994
In my April 4th, 1994 letter to your newspaper on the Whitewater, Silverado,
and Broward Affairs, I posed some questions for you and for the Congress to ask
about the Silverado Banking and Savings and Loan Association of Colorado.
Question 2 had to do with the beginning and end dates of the federal
investigation into Silverado, the date of the first violation of law, and the
date when the federal regulators first discovered this and other violations.
Question 6 had to do with the names of the regulators, among others, involved
in investigating Neil Bush and Silverado.
Another Savings and Loan: Another 1988 Bush Campaign Coverup
These past two days, I have been fortunate enough to read the book Silverado:
Neil Bush and the Savings and Loan Scandal by a Denver Post financial reporter,
Steven Wilmsen. Wilmsen broke several of the key financial stories on Silverado
in that newspaper and in the Denver Business Journal. In Silverado, I
discovered partial answers to both of the above questions; I also discovered
another coverup involving the Bush Campaign of 1988 that directly involved the
head of the Federal Home Loan Bank of Topeka, Kansas and a mysterious voice
from Washington. Between them they delayed the Federal takeover of Silverado
until the day after Bush was elected, at an estimated cost to the American
people of between $400 million dollars and $600 million dollars (details
below).
The cast of characters:
Michael R. Wise, Chairman and CEO of Silverado.
Neil Bush, a member of the Silverado Board of Directors - 1985 to August
1988.
Bill L. Waters, the largest developer in Denver.
Kenneth M. Good, the second largest developer in Denver; contributer of
$100,000 to the 1988 Bush campaign.
Larry Mizel, developer and owner of M.D.C. Holdings, Inc. nation's fifth
largest home builder, raiser of millions of dollars for politicians ( usually
Republicans - he raised a million dollars at a single luncheon for Ronald
Reagean in 1986).
Kermit Mowbray, President of the Kansas Federal Home Loan Bank (one of the
12 regional banks directed by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board [FHLBB] in
Washington)
Dorothy van Cleave, SL Examiner, Kansas Federal Home Loan Bank
Terry Sandefur, SL Analyst, Topeka, Kansas Federal Home Loan Bank
Walters, Good, Neil Bush and Bush's Oil Exploration Firm - JNB, Inc.
Until I read Silverado, I was under the impression that Walters and Good were
simply investors in JNB, Inc. They were more than that; without them the oil
exploration firm would have never existed. Not that it mattered, JNB, Inc.
never drilled an oil well that made money in the five years it operated. In
addition, Bush concealed his close relationships with Walters, Good and Mizel
from the other members of the Silverado board, resulting in major conflicts of
interest.
Walters, Good, Mizel and Michael Wise.
The collusion between these three men during the glory days of Silverado
Banking has to be seen to be believed. Wilmsen describes some of their initial
dealings on page 81 of Silverado:
Good conjured up a significant portion of his money in elaborate deals that
created wealth where none had been -- with a little help from obliging savings
and loans like Silverado. For example, Good and several partners traded two
parcels of vacant land three times in six months with the value increasing each
time until they finally sold them to Silverado for a $3.2 million profit. Good
and Walters had become two
[CTRL] Pentagon Trained Columbian Killers
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Pentagon Trained Troops Led by Officer Accused In Colombian Massacre By Frank Smyth and Maud S. Beelman International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, The Center for Public Integrity (Washington, 30 March) Pentagon officials, under pressure to investigate alleged links between elite U.S. military trainers and Colombian forces implicated in a 1997 civilian massacre, have confirmed that they trained soldiers commanded by the officer accused of masterminding the attack. With a $1.6 billion counternarcotics aid package for Colombia making its way through the U.S. Congress, there is increased scrutiny over whether U.S. military assistance has been or could be turned against Colombian civilians in that countrys decades-long civil war. In November 1997, Congress enacted the Leahy amendment, prohibiting assistance to any foreign military unit if there is credible evidence that such unit has committed gross violations of human rights. Four months earlier, 49 residents of Mapiripán, a village in the coca-growing region of southeastern Colombia, were killed over a five-day period by suspected paramilitary forces allegedly operating under the direction of Colombian Army Col. Lino Sánchez and Carlos Castaño, leader of Colombias right-wing paramilitary forces. Colombian prosecutors have formally accused Sánchez and Castaño of being the intellectual authors of the massacre. Sánchez and two other Colombian army officers are in prison, awaiting trial on charges in connection with the massacre. Castaño, Colombias most notorious rightist paramilitary leader accused of numerous civilian atrocities and drug trafficking, remains at large. A Pentagon official, speaking on condition that he not be identified, confirmed that Sánchez was commander of the 2nd Mobile Brigade, which received training by U.S. Special Forces at a river base about 80 kilometers from Mapiripán. The Defense Department has said it is investigating further to determine whether Sánchez himself was trained by U.S. Special Forces. The Bogotá daily El Espectador reported on Feb. 27 that Sánchezs 2nd Mobile Brigade received U.S. Special Forces training in June 1997 while he was planning the Mapiripán massacre. The newspaper said the goal of the attack was to turn over control of the guerrilla-held Mapiripán, in a region that produces about 30 percent of the worlds coca, to paramilitary forces, which have ties to the Colombian army. 'Teach Guerillas a Lesson' A report by Colombias Counternarcotics Police Intelligence Office, cited by the newspaper, said Sánchez first engineered a plan on June 21 to introduce paramilitary forces into the region, using U.S. spraying of coca crops as a cover, in order to teach the guerrillas a lesson. The El Espectador investigation was based on a review of 4,500 pages of Colombian government documents on the Mapiripán massacre by reporter Ignacio Gómez, who is also a member of the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. It has prompted inquiries on Capitol Hill, where Congress is debating an aid package that would train and equip Colombian army counternarcotics battalions and provide money for more than 60 helicopters for army and police forces. Human rights groups are worried that the military aid might be used against Colombian civilians. Robert E. White, former U.S. ambassador to El Salvador and Paraguay and president of the Center for International Policy, warned in a Feb. 8 commentary in The Washington Post that the aid package puts us in league with a Colombian military that has longstanding ties to the drug-dealing, barbaric paramilitaries that commit more than 75 percent of the human rights violations in Colombia. Obviously our people do not teach torture. They do not teach massacres. They teach human rights in every single class, Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations Brian Sheridan told the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Foreign Operations two days after the El Espectador report. As to the massacre, or alleged massacre and its proximity to or juxtapositioning to the training activity, that is something that we will have to look at very carefully. Nine Training Exercise In a Dec. 22, 1999, letter to Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., a member of the Senates Foreign Operations Appropriations Subcommittee and author of the Leahy amendment, Sheridan listed nine training exercises between U.S. and Colombian soldiers between June and August 1997. Specifically, he said, U.S. soldiers from the 7th Special Forces Group, based at Fort Bragg, N.C., trained Colombian troops at the Barrancón river base from May 14 to June 23, 1997. Barrancón, an island in the Guaviare River, is a U.S. Special Forces training site that is a 10-minute drive from a Colombian army base and airfield at San José del Guaviare, from which U.S. government and contract personnel conduct counternarcotics operations.
[CTRL] Roboconspiracy, cont'd
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:34:13 -0800 (PST) From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: James Randi --- Wizard [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Robot-for-President] Are Robots Conscious Observers? The "Wizard" who is a sensitive fellow just replied that he deleted my message unread. But "CONSCIOUS" observer is stated again and again by Kurzweil (one of the most eminent scientist/inventors in the US). Consider a camera as an unconscious oberver. Would a camera yield quantum effects? If "consciousness" really is a criterion, then it should tell us something about when robots are conscious entities. Or is the term as used by Kurzweil just redundant, ie he should simply say "observer". FWP. On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Franklin Wayne Poley wrote: From: Franklin Wayne Poley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yo' Wizard: Could you please ask Ray Kurzweil why a CONSCIOUS observer is required to force a quantum particle to decide which path it had taken? If that is something more than physical it is metaphysical, ie "psychic" as I have been saying for a long time. I will give you the bank account # where you can deposit my million $. Thank you-FWP. http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology.htm On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, James Randi --- Wizard wrote: Announcement Starting this Saturday at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, running until 8, I'll be back on the radio. If you're in South Florida, you can hear it via WINZ/Supertalk 940 (AM) and it can be heard on the Internet as well -- anywhere in the world -- by looking in at www.supertalk940.com Our sponsor locally is BRANDSMART USA, via supporter Michael Perlman. We'll be commenting on the latest paranormal, supernatural, and occult nonsense. And we'll be taking telephone calls -- though not every program. The intention is to eventually get this show syndicated, as another meansof supportng the JREF. Any help you can offer to encourage local stations in your area to get aboard, will be appreciated. As usual, your comments will be appreciated. And we will be offering a prize -- changing every week -- to the person who has heard us on the Internet and contacts us from the furthest-away point. Suggested subjects will be welcome. Tune in and enjoy! James Randi CONTACTING RANDI James Randi Educational Foundation phone: +1 954 467 1112 201 SE Davie Boulevard fax: +1 954 467 1660 Fort Lauderdale FL 33316-1815 http://www.randi.org U.S.A. General questions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail directly to Randi: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BACK ISSUES OF THE HOTLINE: Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget. Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here: http://click.egroups.com/1/2623/5/_/433155/_/954466455/ *** The Era of Total Automation is Now *** A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: it is a profound andungiving dichotomous wall between Islamic submission and Judeo-Christian freedom. Al worship is submission. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- With all due respect to the Jewish people, I believe Christians worship the same Creator that the Jewish people worship. It is the Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. My pointing being I believe I worship the same G_d as the Jews and that is they who would disagree With me. In view of the fact that Arabs and Jews have a common ancestor in Abraham your point of Moslems and Jews having more similar religons is a good point. I cannot defend some of the actions of "Christians" in the past and I am deeply troubled by them. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian. I also believe Jesus was a man only in the sense that he had a flesh and blood body.Respectfully, Jeff , http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I told you that if he started again... the gloves are off
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: "Foxter" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also June and I had a heated exchange in the past over Christianity, perhaps there is an element of unhealed wounds. I obviously made more of an impression on you than you did on me, because for the life of me I don't remember EVER having any sort of exchange with you in the past, least of all over Christianity... Needless to say, there are no wounds, unhealed or otherwise, on my part since I have no idea what you are talking about. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I don't always agree with Joshua, but I applaud him for his succinct summation of the facts in his post below... June From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AN ACTIVISTS GUIDE TO EXPLOITING THE MEDIA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave http://www.oneworld.org/tlio/research/act2.html http://www.videonetwork.org/media.html http://www.urban75.com/index.html http://www.gene.ch/pmhp/gs/media.htm Here's an interesting set of sources (similar content in each) - originally published as a pamphlet (date undetermined but certainly on/before June 1999) in coordination with a british land use campaign. Michael AN ACTIVISTS GUIDE TO EXPLOITING THE MEDIA By George Monbiot This guide originates from The Land is Ours, a landrights campaign for Britain. George Monbiot is an Activist and Environmental Journalist. ( a regular columnist for The Guardian) Although it is written primarily for a British audience much is relevent internationally. If you have any additions which would make it more international please let us ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and The Land is Ours ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) know. (extracts) -- AN ACTIVISTS GUIDE TO EXPLOITING THE MEDIA By George Monbiot Every battle we fight is a battle for the hearts and minds of other people. The only chance we have of reaching people who haven't yet heard what we've got to say is through the media. We might, with good reason, regard the papers and broadcasters with extreme suspicion, we might feel cheapened and compromised by engaging with them. But the war we're fighting is an information war, and we have to use all the weapons at our disposal. Whether we use the media or not, our opponents will. However just our cause and true our aims, they will use it to demonise and demolish us, unless we fight back. EXPLOIT THE MEDIA, OR THE MEDIA WILL EXPLOIT YOU! [SNIP] PART 7: CONCLUSION All campaigning is hard work, and exploiting the media is just as hard as any other aspect. We've tended to neglect it in the past, and then wonder why no one comes to our actions. Our movement needs specialist media workers just as much as it needs specialist tree-climbers. The more there are, the more clearly our message will come across, and the more people will be attracted to our cause. This is how small rumblings turn into earthquakes. The revolution will not be televised, but that doesn't mean that it won't also be live. = Activists Guide to Writing a Press Release By George Monbiot * intro *what we're up against *our advantages *how to get the press to your action *dealing with journalists *being interviewed *following up *conclusion Anti-copyright for activists. Copyright for everyone else. == A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] fwd: Danish may outlaw Bilderberg attendance
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: Conspiracy Shopping Cart: http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html From: roundtable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fwd: Danish may outlaw Bilderberg attendance Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 7:38 PM Power Elite Public Information Service - www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#pepis PLEASE FORWARD TO NEWSGROUPS AND ANYONE YOU FEEL WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS INFORMATION This is an occasional free email list as part of the campaign for accountability and press access to Bilderberg and similar elite meetings. See www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm for more info. To subscribe or unsubscribe send me [EMAIL PROTECTED] an email with PEPIS in the subject header. This list archived at http://www.mail-archive.com/PEPIS@marsbard.com and http://www.egroups.com/list/PEPIS/ \\ This article posted at http://www.bilderberg.org/2000.htm The Danish Newspaper Politiken: http://www.pol.dk Showdown with secret power groups By Jens Kerte The Net version Saturday Mars 18th 2000 Politiken Sunday: Danish ministers and top civil servants must have a prohibition against participating in secret masonic-like meeting, the Party List of Unity means. The Party List of Unity has proposed a bill of decision in the Danish Parlament. (quote) "In such secret meetings as the meting of the Bilderberg Group the power brokers coordinate their views and cover up for each other", Frank Aaen from the Party List Of Unity means, and says : "when it takes place in deepest secrecy it is a scandal that ministers at high level has participated without any democratic insight".(unquote) More members of the EURO-Parlament and Folketinget (The Danish Parlament) insist on that the participation of Danish ministers and European Commissioners in high political discussions in the yearly, closed conferences of the private, so-called Bilderberg Group beeing brought to light. Ritt and Uffe For the last few years both the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of (the Party) Liberal Left Uffe Ellemann-Jensen and the former EU-Commissioner Ritt Bjerregaard (the Socialdemocratic Party) have participated in these two-days conferences, where the participants are instructed confidentiality. Prime Minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen (the Socialdemocratic Party) gives an answer to one of the written questions on this matter, that there have never been any decision of the government about Bilderberg. On this background among other things the Prime Minister says that he does not see any (quote) "basis to criticise, if Danish ministers have participated in the so-called Bilderberg Meetings." (unquote) Several invited to the Bilderberg Meetings Uffe Ellemann-Jensen has since 1984 been present at the confidential discussions of Bilderberg eight times the information of Politiken shows, while Ritt Bjerregaard participated as newly fledged EU-Commissioner Of Environment in 1995. All in all a dozen of Danish ministers have participated since the first meeting in 1954. Neither Uffe Ellemann-Jensen nor Ritt Bjerregaard briefed the Tribunal Of Foreign Affairs or their Parlamentary Chiefs about their participation. Unformal discussions Their comments to Politiken is the following: (quote) "There was no need caused by the simple reason that there was no talk of that Denmark in any way was getting bound of the unformal debate", (unquote) says Uffe Ellemann-Jensen. "I have not briefed anybody about my participation, because Bilderberg is a Think Tank that cannot make any decisions at all. There is no basis of being concerned about that people meet and talk to each other" (unquote), says Ritt Bjerregaard. Seven of the present 20 EU-Commissioners have during the last few years been connected to Bilderberg, and in the EURO-Parlament The Greens have been working for, that these relations now is broad to the public knowledge. The commisioners in question continuing deny to tell, what they have been discussing on the Bilderberg meetings. Translated by Joern E. Vig, Denmark http://www.united-bluff.com/indexd.htm The Bilderberg Meeting started in 1954 as a forum for secret political discussions between topfolks within Politics, Finances and Industry from the NATO-members. Original the idea on the private conferencesto discuss strategies against the international socialism. Among the originators to the Bilderberg Group was Prince Bernard of Holland. POLITIKEN You might also want to look at a new article - also from Danish newspaper - on the Trilateral Commission http://www.bilderberg.org/trilat.htm#April
[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] ORLIN GRABBE ON COSTA RICA AND ADM TURNER
Rumor Mill News Forum
ORLIN GRABBE ON COSTA RICA AND ADM TURNER
Posted By: RUMOR MILL NEWS
Date: Thursday, 30 March 2000, at 11:58 a.m.
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March 26, 2000
Rumor Mill News recently sent an email to Orlin Grabbe, who is living in
Costa Rica. We asked him what was going on with this secret military
operation that he referenced on his webpage. The following is his reply:
From Orlin Grabbe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is a DIA (Defense Intelligence Operation) going on under cover of the
recent drug agreement. (Remember that Clinton and CIA don't get along; that
is why he used the DIA to try to overthrow the government of Honduras
recently.) The operation (DIA) has to do with something involving the Panama
canal.
Here's some more background on ex-CIA director Stansfield Turner's plane
crash, and the military build-up in Liberia (Costa Rica).
Turner was a consultant for the DOD. He was tasked with reviewing possible
sites in support of 'Operation Channel'. It is not legal for the U.S. to have
a military presence in Costa Rica without an act of congress, But the U.S.
can support the DEA operations under joint US/Costa Rica agreements.
The last minute pilot change was made to precipitate the review of the sites.
The passengers were to be dropped at their destination and then with an empty
A/C. Turner and group. were to be flown to the possible U.S. Military sites.
Remember Turner is an Admiral. ("DEA" operations are Sea and land.) The pilot
was familiar with the old landing strips in the areas of interest. The
monitoring site n-13 was closed in 1995 so low level air operations in the
areas of interest would be unrestricted.
The U.S. Embassy has started contracting hotel rooms for U.S. "aircrews" in
the Liberia area. C-130 transports are a regular at the airfield.
Night moves of equipment are being made. The facility to monitor and provide
logistical support for Operation Channel doesn't need to be a big facility.
If needed troops and A/C will be moved from the states very quickly (U.S.
Readiness Command). But there needs to be a support area for the operations
into Panama. Liberia provides the perfect area. Fires have burned most of the
northern properties north of the airport. Bulldozers are currently clearing
the burned vegetation (clearing for something). A facility south east of
Liberia provides the perfect base with helicopter support to the airport. It
is located near the city of Arenal. It is the old ICE compound which was used
to build the dam. Vacant but recently a lot of activity. It has been
completely refurbished. Barracks, Warehouses, New Fencing, High Security. And
a couple of automobiles which had U.S. Army Parachute stickers in the
window...go figure.
Finally, the US government sent a cargo of Desert Storm vehicles which showed
up in port of San Jose. Unfortunately, the government can't pay the duty on
them (and acknowledge possession)
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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- No, Joshua2, you did not miss a thing. This whole thread is totally fragmented with each one more or less talking to himself. I have worn the printing off of my "Delete" key but can still find it. I highly recommend that procedure for posts from those who insist on "enlightening" the rest of us. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians? -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jeff Sandlin wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Cult of Al
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Previous Thread: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians? In a message dated 03/30/2000 7:15:03 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Al worship is submission. Al who? :::snicker::: Seriously, though...Nessie's blanket statement regarding religious "submission" does injustice to the truth of those of us who are "free in Christ" (ROM 8:2; GAL 5:1). Considering that Nessie's comment purposely overlooks this spiritual phenomena, it would appear that stating "all religion is submission" might be geared toward self-justification of a non-religious theology, rather than being an utlimately applicable and universal truth. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 6th grader targeted for pro gun remarks
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- To view the entire article, visit http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/2330_xnjdo_sixth_grad.shtml Thursday, March 30, 2000 -- BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS Sixth grader targeted for pro-gun remarks 'A' student defends 2nd Amendment, flagged as violence risk by Jon E. Dougherty -- School officials at Harbor Lights Middle School flagged a Holland, Michigan boy as potentially dangerous because the 12-year-old suggested to a teacher that one way to prevent school shootings would be to arm instructors. Derek Loutzenheiser, a model student who had such good grades that some teachers recommended he be tested early for a popular standardized pre-college performance test, made his comments in early March, after being asked by a social studies teacher what he thought might make kids safer in school. Derek had been asked to participate in a classroom discussion about "school shootings and safety," said the sixth grader's father, Tim Loutzenheiser. "My son simply stated that his opinion was that he would feel safer if some of the adults at the school were trained and allowed to carry firearms," Mr. Loutzenheiser told WorldNetDaily. His reply caused him to be "flagged" as a potential violence risk by teachers and school administrators, who then contacted his parents to suggest they meet with the school's "Hazard and Risk Assessment Team." "My wife and I were in disbelief when they (school officials) telephoned us and told us that's what they wanted to do," Loutzenheiser said. "We asked, 'Do you have the right kid?'" In resulting talks with school officials, Loutzenheiser said he learned that his son "often spoke favorably about the First and Second Amendments, but the comment he made to his Social Studies teacher was the one that triggered this action." School officials told the couple that because of Derek's comments he should be separated from the other students and forced to enter the school's "Mentor" program, where he would be studied by an adult supervisor who would monitor Derek's thought processes. "We were told that this would be in the best interest of my son, and by doing this the school would not have to involve Social Services," Loutzenheiser said. "We refused." At that point, the couple contacted an attorney in nearby Grand Rapids, Michigan -- one referred to them through the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action. The couple has also been told by a representative from the Rutherford Institute, an international legal and educational civil liberties organization, that "they would be willing to take on this issue." Loutzenheiser said when he and his wife, Shelly, arrived for the Hazard Team meeting Mar. 8, "We were outnumbered 7 to 2." He told WorldNetDaily that he wanted to make a good first impression with the members, so he shook each member's hand and introduced himself. He also told them he had brought along a tape recorder and would be taping the proceedings since none of the legal organizations that said they would represent him could send a representative to the meeting on such short notice. "My wife and I both saw a transformation from 'smugness' ... to looks of great concern on some of their faces," he said. "What was odd about the purpose of this whole meeting," said Loutzenheiser, "was that three of the team members were Derek's teachers, and each of them said they didn't know there was any 'situation' with him. That got me to thinking, 'Then why are we here?'" However, and though "team" members denied it, the elder Loutzenheiser said he believes teachers and school administrative personnel began to form a bad impression of his son when, in January of this year, the sixth grader refused to sign a "Red Letter" vow of peace to celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday. "The letter, which was written by the principal," Loutzenheiser said, "asked the students to take an oath to turn in their friends for suspicious activity, to vow to never defend themselves if attacked, and something to the effect of never to use a gun or other weapons. Derek simply told the principal, 'I'm not signing that.' "I think that's what got him 'noticed' by some of the administrative staff at least," he said. Of the meeting with "team" members, Loutzenheiser said, "We got right to the point and determined that the charges against my son are without merit. They all assured me that he is a wonderful student, gets straight A's, and because he is a little more advanced academically (at their suggestion he took the ACT test and scored very well) they feel he may need an 'adult' to talk to about issues." Loutzenheiser admitted he didn't know what team members were implying about having Derek "talk to an adult about issues." He added, "We were able to determine that because my son knows and
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Jeff Sandlin wrote: With all due respect to the Jewish people, I believe Christians worship the same Creator that the Jewish people worship. It is the Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. My pointing being I believe I worship the same G_d as the Jews I agree...i.e., you bet you do. And by the way, "Jesus" is only a title...i.e., many ppl believe the man born of Mary that was given the name of Immanual (in Aramaic)/Emanuel (in hebrew), was/is The Messiah/The Jesus/The Christ. and that is they who would disagree With me. In view of the fact that Arabs and Jews have a common ancestor in Abraham your point of Moslems and Jews having more similar religons is a good point. And is true...thus the ridiculous nature of war in God/s name. I cannot defend some of the actions of "Christians" in the past and I am deeply troubled by them. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian. I got a few N.Y. Jew relatives that are LESS than worthy of such status, I ASSURE YOU ;-) = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Oregon Cattle Mutilations...Plus QA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- And that is where they are clubbing the salmon to prevent their successful spawning! What a nightmare for the wildlife and cattle of the area! - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: [CTRL] Oregon Cattle Mutilations...Plus QA -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Mysterious Calf Deaths In Brothers, Oregon © 2000 by Linda Moulton Howe Oregon map with Sand Springs highlighted southeast of Bend near Brothers and Millican. The Millican Valley between Millican and Brothers is where the dozen dead calves were found March 18 and 19, 2000. It's also where fourteen dead calves and a pig with its legs cut off were found in March 1999. The A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] White House to Recover Missing E-Mail (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49554-2000Mar30.html White House to Recover Missing E-Mail By George Lardner Jr. Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, March 31, 2000; Page A08 The White House said yesterday that it will undertake a $3 million effort to restore thousands of missing e-mail messages and search them for information that should have been produced during criminal and congressional investigations of the Clinton administration. White House counsel Beth Nolan said the inspection of about 4,025 backup tapes containing records from the offices of the president and the vice president should be completed in approximately 170 days. Under that timetable, the effort should yield all previously subpoenaed evidence by late September, in the midst of the fall campaign. Nolan told the House Government Reform Committee at a daylong hearing that the restoration will be conducted in batches so that any relevant records can be turned over in "a rolling production" to the independent counsels and congressional committees that demanded them. The matters covered by subpoenas served on the Clinton White House in recent years ranged from campaign finance abuses and the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal to the deadly 1993 confrontation at Waco and President Clinton's controversial grant of clemency last year to imprisoned Puerto Rican terrorists. With the committee's GOP majority expressing sharp skepticism, Nolan said "no one attempted to hide responsive information from this committee or from any other investigative body." She said the "computer glitches" responsible for the failure to keep an archive of incoming messages sent to more than 500 White House employees were the result of "unintentional human error." A huge quantity of e-mail to and from Vice President Gore and his staff was never properly recorded and so was never reviewed to determine if any of it was relevant to the investigations of alleged 1996 Democratic fund-raising abuses. Nolan said the e-mail to be retrieved is contained in 3,400 backup tapes at the White House and 625 at Gore's office. Northrop Grumman Corp. employees who operate the White House e-mail system testified last week that when they discovered that 2½ years worth of incoming e-mail had not been searched to comply with the subpoenas, they were told to keep the problem a secret. One said he was warned there would be "a jail cell with his name on it" if he told anyone. The two White House officials involved denied making any threats. The gravity the White House attaches to the controversy was underscored at yesterday's hearing by the unprecedented attendance of the president's confidant, deputy White House counsel Bruce R. Lindsey, who sat in a front row, occasionally volunteering information and advice. The Justice Department, by contrast, was represented by Robert Raben, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, who exasperated committee Chairman Dan Burton (R-Ind.) by saying "I don't know" and "I have no idea" to almost every question. "What are you doing here?" Burton finally protested. "You subpoenaed me," Raben replied. The Justice Department disclosed in court papers last week that it has launched a criminal inquiry into the mishandling of the e-mails, but Rep. Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.) said he suspected this was done "simply to thwart" the House committee's probe and discovery in the civil lawsuit brought by Judicial Watch, a conservative group that uncovered the e-mail gap. The Justice Department frequently cites its own pending investigations to deflect congressional and civil inquiries into the same matters. Northrop Grumman employee Robert Haas, who discovered that e-mails involving Lewinsky were missing in June 1998, alerted his superiors, who told White House counsel Charles F.C. Ruff about the problem. Nolan said Ruff told her he did not realize the missing e-mails indicated a larger problem because the unarchived Lewinsky messages had already been turned over to investigators after the searches of individual computers. Haas saved the results of his search in his computer and recently put them on a special disk that is safeguarded at the White House. Nolan said White House officials "couldn't read all of it" and have made another copy in hopes the copy will work better. Judicial Watch contends this action violated U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth's order to keep the evidence under seal. However, White House spokesman Jim Kennedy said "we believe" the judge's order was directed only at the backup tapes. © 2000 The Washington Post Company = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To
[CTRL] NYT: Clinton Aide Vows to Provide Subpoenaed E-Mail Soon (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/033100wh-email.html The New York Times March 31, 2000 Clinton Aide Vows to Provide Subpoenaed E-Mail Soon By MARC LACEY ASHINGTON, Mar. 30 -- The White House counsel, Beth Nolan, testified before a Congressional committee today that the large cache of misplaced electronic mail at the center of a controversy would be recovered and supplied to investigators within six months, far sooner than her previous prediction of a two-year delay. But the contracts that the White House signed this week with computer companies to recover the lost messages for an estimated $2 million did little to stem criticism from Congressional Republicans, who are furious that presidential aides did not disclose the problem when they learned of it almost two years ago. In June 1998, top White House officials were told that their computer system was not storing some e-mail correspondence properly because of unintentional system errors. The problem was fixed in November 1998 but thousands of messages received by presidential aides before then were not put into an archival system that made them available for searches in response to subpoenas by a variety of investigating agencies. A separate flaw in the computer system in Vice President Gore's office has affected incoming and outgoing e-mail correspondence. Ms. Nolan said that computer specialists are still trying to fix the problem there; meanwhile, she said, aides to Mr. Gore have been instructed to print out incoming messages in case they are needed later. Nobody is sure what is on the misplaced electronic correspondence, which involves messages sent to White House personnel from outside the system and covers 1996 to 1998. But investigations of several controversies, including campaign finance and Monica S. Lewinsky, were underway in that period. At a hearing today before the House Government Reform Committee, Ms. Nolan testified that White House officials learned of the problem in 1998 but only recently became aware that it might have kept the White House from supplying correspondence sought by independent counsels, congressional committees and the Justice Department. "No one attempted to hide responsive information from this committee or from any other investigative body," said Ms. Nolan, speaking for the executive office of the president. "The E.O.P. has produced or identified to this committee all responsive information that it located, including over 7,700 pages of e-mail records in the campaign finance investigation alone." But Ms. Nolan, who took over the White House's top legal job last August and testified before Congress today for the first time in the post, came under harsh criticism from Republicans who did not believe her account. "I seriously doubt that explanation," said Representative Dan Burton, the Republican of Indiana who is the committee's chairman. He vowed to introduce a House resolution recommending that Attorney General Janet Reno name a special counsel to investigate the matter. The Justice Department's campaign finance task force is already conducting a criminal investigation of the controversy, including contentions that White House officials threatened the computer specialists who discovered the problem to keep the matter under wraps. Mr. Burton is skeptical that the Justice Department will vigorously investigate the matter. Still, he recommended today that the department prosecute a White House computer specialist for committing perjury in connection with the affair. Daniel Barry, the specialist, filed an affidavit in a civil suit in which he said that White House e-mail messages were being stored by the Automated Records Management System, an archive that could be searched for subpoenaed messages, since 1994. But in that affidavit, he did not mention the problem that had resulted in large numbers of e-mail messages not be properly captured. Ms. Nolan and Robert Raben, a Justice Department lawyer, testified today they did not know who assisted Mr. Barry in filing his affidavit. Irritating congressional Republicans, Ms. Nolan also maintained that while Mr. Barry's affidavit may not have disclosed information about the missing e-mails, it was still literally true. Representative Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, accused his Republican colleagues of overreaching in an effort to create another scandal. He said that not enough information was known to determine whether White House officials had illegally covered up the computer problems to stymie investigations of the administration. "Deliberate concealment would seem to be a case of obstruction of justice," Mr. Waxman said. "Honest confusion, on the other hand, would be regrettable but understandable. And until we know the facts, we should be careful about making unsubstantiated accusations." Ms. Nolan said the question of what the e-mail messages contain may be resolved
[CTRL] Devouring the Blackbird.
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Previous Thread: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians? In a message dated 03/30/2000 6:07:43 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My question to Foxter regarded Foxter's understanding of just who Allah is, compared to the deity worshipped by Jews and Christians, a question Foxter failed miserably. Two topics were not documented: 1) "Who is Allah" 2) Benefits of dying in the jihad. I addressed ONE of the topics, the shorter of the two. I had intended on addressing the lengthier issue of "who Allah is" -- in comparison to the Christian God -- sometime during the weekend. I also made this timetable perfectly clear. In either case, June's above comments are more diversion. Foxter had made at least two accurate (but undocumented) evaluations of Islam: 1) Allah was of an altogether different nature than the Bible's God. 2) The Koran advocates violence against infidels/unbelievers, with the promise of a greater standing before Allah. June then shifted the focus from the truth of these facts, toward an assault on Foxter's temporary inability to document these facts from the Koran. June now attempts more distraction. June's diversion should not keep us from asking whether her clamoring for documentation of Foxter's statements, has come from: A) Her own lack of understanding of the Koran or B) Whether she wilfully condemns undocumented statements which she knows to be true -- just to make herself feel important or sound authorative. It is either one or the other. The problem for June is, neither answer is to her own pleasing. "A" verifies her lack of spiritual learning. "B" verifies her lack of intellectual honesty. Humility chooses "A" with a respective silence. Pride chooses "B" with more bombastic blather. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
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Well,Mike, I suppose he meant respect their religion. But like you, I would
like to introduce him to a few of my friends in the garment district
working under a deadline. Ha! Just goes to show that this is a subject far
too serious to be discussed in a casual list in this manner.
Amelia
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To. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen
people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian.
I got a few N.Y. Jew relatives that are LESS than worthy of such
status, I ASSURE YOU ;-)
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[CTRL] Planets Orbiting Distant Stars (AP article)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Planets Seen Orbiting Distant Stars By PAUL RECER .c The Associated Press WASHINGTON (March 28) - In a discovery that takes astronomers a step closer to finding other Earths orbiting other suns, researchers have found two objects slightly less massive than Saturn circling distant stars. A team of planet-hunting astronomers announced today that they have found evidence of the smallest planets yet discovered to be in orbit of stars other than the sun. Both planets are smaller in mass than Saturn, a solar system planet that is about nine times wider than Earth. About 30 planet-sized objects have been found orbiting other stars, but all those were the size of Jupiter or bigger. The newly discovered planets are about a third the size of Jupiter. Geoff Marcy of the University of California, Berkeley, said in a statement that searching for planets orbiting distant stars is ''like looking at a beach from a distance.'' ''Previously we only saw the large boulders, which were Jupiter-sized planets or larger,'' he said. ''Now we are seeing the 'rocks,' Saturn-sized planets or smaller.'' Seeing Earth-sized objects, said Marcy, would be like seeing pebbles on that beach and astronomers are not yet able to do that. Discovery of the Saturn-sized planets, however, supports a theory that planets, such as those in the solar system, formed around many stars in the universe. It also supports the theory that most planets are relatively small, such as Earth, Mars and Venus. ''This a trend the researchers are beginning to see in their data,'' according to a NASA statement. Marcy and his colleagues, Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institution of Washington, and Steve Vogt of the University of California, Santa Cruz, used the Keck telescope in Hawaii to make the discoveries. They found a planet about 80 percent the mass of Saturn orbiting around a star called HD46375 some 109 light-years from Earth. A planet 70 percent the mass of Saturn was found around star 79 Ceti, which is 117 light-years away in the constellation Cetus. Both planets are close to their stars, which means they have short orbits. The HD46375 planet circles its star in just three days, while the 79 Ceti planet takes 75 days to orbit. Both are thought to be gas planets, like Saturn and Jupiter. Both are so close to their stars that they would reach temperatures of more than 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit, far too hot to sustain ordinary forms of life, the researchers say. The planets are not actually seen by the astronomers. Instead, the researchers measure the gravitational effect of the planets on the central stars. As the planets orbit, they cause the stars to wobble very slightly. By measuring this wobble, the astronomers can detect the presence and size of a planet. Marcy and his team have used this technique to catalog 21 extrasolar planets. The group is searching some 1,100 stars within 300 light-years of Earth to find evidence of planets. Other astronomer groups are also searching and have found about 10 extrasolar planets. A light-year is the distant light travels in a year in a vacuum, about 6 trillion miles. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dead Before The Fire
Title: Dismemberment and Agglutination Dismemberment and AgglutinationTo profane a dead body by cutting it to pieces has always seemed, at least to our Western eyes, an act of bestial brutality. It is one thing to do murder. It is quite another to destroy the murder victim's identity, and this is the effect of dismemberment. -- Dr. William R. Maples, forensic anthropologist, in Dead Men Do Tell Tales, pg. 61. In When Did They Die?: Disarticulation and Time of Death, we saw that bodies fall apart in advanced stages of decomposition, when the connective tissue in the joints withers away. Unless moved by another force, the body parts in such a corpse retain their original relationship, although now disconnected. Dismemberment, of course, is an entirely different process. The body is taken apart by a murderer or accomplice in the process of disposal, or in an attempt to obscure the cause of death, the time of death, the manner of death, or the identity of the victim. Forensic anthropologist Dr. William Maples assures us that that Taking apart a fresh human body is no mean task . . You will work up a sweat doing it. (Maples.) In Smithsonian Comes To Waco, we learned that Dr. Douglas Ubelaker, curator of anthropology of the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institution and top consultant to the FBI, and his Smithsonian colleague Dr. Douglas W. Owsley, came to Waco to assist the inept Dr. Peerwani recover the bodies of the Branch Davidians. In How the Pros Recover Bodies and Solve Murder Mysteries, we learned that forensic anthropologists take every measure to personally excavate the bodies and examine the surrounding environment. Dr. Ubelaker said that examining the bodies in exactly the same relationship they had to each other in the field is vital, and that once the relationship between the bodies and the environment is disturbed, it can never again be created with complete accuracy. We saw renowned forensic anthropologist Dr. William Maples, despite back pain, crawl down into an excavation hole to recover three corpses found in a common grave, and lie face to face beside the bodies while digging them out. The corpses would have to be disinterred very carefully if a case were to be made against their murderers. The details of the crime would have to be reconstructed from the stratigraphic evidence of the scene, wrote Maples. And we saw that the care with which he excavated the murder victims preserved the details of how the crime had been committed (How the Pros Recover Bodies and Solve Murder Mysteries). But in Inside the Concrete Room, we learned that the Branch Davidian bodies inside the concrete room were excavated by the Texas Rangers, who then called the medical examiner's office to have them removed. As we will see in this section, despite the standards for experts in the field, many of the body parts were sorted out by Dr. Owsley in the morgue, and not in situ as they were being excavated. Of the 33 bodies Dr. Peerwani says were recovered in the concrete room, eleven were found in an agglutinated mass. The local Justice of the Peace, a man with 40 years experience in the funeral business, said he never saw anything like it. It's too bad the experts were not on hand when the mass was discovered. Perhaps they would have learned something about the circumstances surrounding the victims' deaths, or even the circumstances surrounding their interment together. It is evident, therefore, that Drs. Ubelaker and Owsley did not use the expertise for which they are renowned, nor did they apply the customary standards of practice in their field to the recovery work in the concrete room. The Autopsy Reports contain none of the information from the crime scene that those experts could have gathered had they been applying the standards of their profession. What is a reasonable person to think when evidence of the crime of the century is destroyed under the noses of world-class evidence handlers? If the FBI believed what it told the public--that David Koresh was a maniac and a child molester, and that the Davidians murdered each other on the final day--the dismemberments and the agglutination would have been thoroughly investigated. Instead, the environment in which the bodies were recovered was altered and destroyed without the benefit of observation and analysis by experts. Moreover, lies concerning that environment were being incorporated into the Autopsy Reports, and now appear on the Death Certificates. The Autopsy Reports typically read as if the bodies had been found under a cabbage leaf. The body is presented to the City Morgue in a black body bag . . . is a typical opening for an Autopsy Report. And the Autopsy Reports typically describe dismembered and pulped bodies without expressing any curiosity about the conditions that could have produced the phenomena being described. Let us take a look: Dayland Gent, Mt.
