[CTRL] Test
-Caveat Lector- Test DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/27/99 1:22:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Candidate C: is a decorated war hero. He's a vegetarian, doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any illicit affairs. Hitler was not a vegetarian. This is mere urban legend. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/28/99 12:17:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hitler was not a vegetarian. This is mere urban legend. Sorry, Teo, but it's not urban legend. Hitler *was* vegetarian. He commented on more than one occasion, with great approval, that the largest and strongest land animal, the elephant, was vegetarian. See any good biography of Hitler, e.g. Alan Bullock, *Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.* Bob I thought so too, but in a recent issue of Fortean Times (I can't find the copy right now) they dismissed the story, relying upon comments made by people close to Hitler who commented on his meat eating. I can't find the reference right now but the article quoted people who were very familiar with Hitler and they said that he liked to eat meat at least on occasion. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Free Speech Is Whatever the Government Allows
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/26/99 1:43:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the FDA has relied on the commercial speech doctrine for its underlying authority, and proceeded in its rulemaking to only approve claims for which there is "significant scientific agreement". What the fuck is wrong with that??? Please Joshua@ you are not telling us that you believe in the FDA?!?!? The agency that is run by ex-corporate shills? Please tell us it ain't so. As to what the fuck is wrong with that I say that my two questions posed above are all the answer that some would need. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Clinton's fascistic agenda
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~gjackson/USReport.html Enjoy Teo1000 US Report Telling it like it is The New Australian Clinton's Fascist vision for America By James Henry No. 104, 25- 31 January 1999 The state of American education being what it is, the vast majority of people are totally incapable of recognising a fascist economic program, even when it is used to slap them in the face. This is because they have not been taught that fascism means state direction of the economy, cradle to grave 'social security', complete control of education, government intervention in every nook and cranny of the economy and the belief that the individual belongs to the state. This was Clinton's State of the Union vision, which is why those chowder-heads that call themselves journalists loved it. People cannot grasp that fascism is socialism because they have not been taught to distinguish between form and substance. They do not realise that once the state controls everyone's property that property now belongs to the state because control is ownership, no matter who possesses the deeds. In this situation, might is right. Clinton's audacious plan to confiscate the earning of Americans so that politicians like himself and Hillary (the couple that helped empty the Madison Guaranty in Arkansas) can use them to gradually socialise the economy is a typical statist tactic and one to be expected from the Clintons. This is no exaggeration. Just reflect for a moment on his proposal to save social security by investing taxpayers' money in the stock market. By controlling a company's shares the state would come to own the company. It would not even have to control a majority of the shares. It would then dictate where the company would invest, in what it would invest and where it would invest. This is precisely how Mussolini and Hitler ran their economies. The term for this is central planning. But America is different, or so the likes of Dan Rather and Gerald Rivero would claim. But does anyone imagine for a moment that the likes of Bill and Hillary would hesitate to use that power? Does anyone think that the huge bureaucratic machinery it would give birth to would not us the power? Also business funding for free-market publications, organisations, foundations and think tanks would quickly dry up. Under his scheme investment would become a function of the state, just as it was in the late Soviet Union. Politicians and bureaucrats playing at being entrepreneurs with trillions of dollars. That such policies have always resulted in the destruction of liberty, economic collapses and mass poverty would not faze the Friends of Bill Club, particularly if they figured they would get slice of the action. One only has to think of what the Clintons did to Arkansas. No wonder Greenspan is still in a state of shock. That Clinton has only contempt for the mass of Americans was made clear by his arrogant statement that "We [I love the Royal We] could give [the surpluses] all back to you and hope you spend it right . . . But if you don't spend it right" Social Security are shortfalls are "just 14 years away." Let us dissect this statement. Clinton is literally telling Americans they are too dumb to know how to spend their own money. (I guess his poll results gave him that idea). Americans are losing nearly 50 per cent of their incomes to all levels of government, with Washington grabbing 21 per cent, the highest in the nation's history. And it's going to get worse. And what are the Clinton Democrats' solutions? Massive government intervention combined with massive increases in government spending. No wonder personal savings have collapsed. How dare this lying hypocrite tell the American people they are too dumb to save when his own profligate proposals would see trillions wasted on huge government programs designed to buy a Senate acquittal and shore up the support of the faithful. He claims Americans are irresponsible, yet his programs would consume not only every penny of the surplus but would increase federal spending by at least 20 percent, lead to another era of budget deficits, large-scale government borrowings and massive tax increases. Now politicians have a choice with surpluses: they can either spend them, which then results in more deficits unless spending is cut, or they can return the money to its rightful owners. Democrats have once again shown which kind they are. This is what Adam Smith had to say about Clinton's arrogant proposals: "It is the highest impertinence and presumption . . . in Kings and ministers to pretend to watch over the economy of private people . . . Let them look well after their own expense, and they may safely trust private people with theirs. If their own extravagance does not ruin the state, that of their subjects never will." "The statesman, who should attempt to direct private people in what manner they ought to employ
Re: [CTRL] VINCE FOSTER FBI FILES RELEASED
-Caveat Lector- I recently recieved from the FBI the "summary" report on the Foster death, in which the entire thing (virtually) is redacted, most of which was done at the request of Kenneth Starr in relation to his "ongoing investigation". Attached to the end of the report were a couple of memoranda which referred to possible obstruction of justice in the matter, which might prove intriguing, if only I knew who did what, and when, but alas all I have is big black rectangles. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China condemns U.S. anti-missile project
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/24/99 8:25:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BEIJING (January 24, 1999 9:18 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - A U.S. proposal to deploy an anti-missile system will thwart world security by spreading military technology and spurring an arms race, a Chinese army newspaper said Sunday. Gee, the Chinese are against our defending ourselves. What a surprise. Well, what with all the technology that we gave them you'd think they have nothing to fear by this anti-missile system. Of course the Chinese are not our enemies are they? They are a Most Favored Nation and valued trading partner, aren't they? Yeah right. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] fw: 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions:
-Caveat Lector- My comments interspersed below. Teo1000 In a message dated 1/24/99 7:37:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Karla Turner's 10 Facts in Respect to Alien Abductions: 1) We don't know with any certainty exactly what these entities may be; they may be extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, earthly or some combination of the above. ((Teo1000 comments: I would say that most evidence points to earthly or natural sources for the phenomenon, but do not discount the others presented here as well.) 2) At least some of the aliens lie. [Predictions, warnings, promises, and contradictions.] ((Teo1000: This is where the psy-op and disinformation is it's thickest. There is no evidence that we are dealing with intelligences from the stars, and as is rightly pointed out they give us no superior knowledge or future revelations. This is just mind control plain and simple. You may want to contend that it is alien intelligences doing the mind control, but I would dispute that point.)) 3) During encounters, the human's perceptions are controlled as are the conscious memories of the encounters. ((Teo1000: Absolutely agree. But who is controlling and what is the desired effect of the control. If it is to hide their existence it is a miserable failure, so that can be ruled out. If it is to cause societal change or effect mass consciousness, that is working perfectly. Mass psy-op to prepare the people for some revelation, that in MO has nothing to do with aliens from space.)) 4) False memories can overlay and disguise the actual events of an encounter. ((Teo1000: True, again though, with what purpose and goal.)) 5) Abductees report alien controlled information to the research community. While reporting their experiences honestly and sincerely, abductees are really reporting alien-controlled data. ((Teo1000: There are too many controlled people in the movement and that is why it is doomed for useful information.)) 6) There is a serious element of human involvement in the abduction phenomenon, in addition to the very real alien participation. Many abductees are monitored and harassed by human agents of some sort and the cases involving phone and mail interference, helicopter surveillance are only part of the story. ((Teo1000: Human involvement, absolutely. I have a problem with "very real alien participation". Psy-op and cover for illegal human experimentation with mind control devices and classes of "less than lethal" weapons, in real world situations, is the more probable solution. Aliens are the bugaboo for illegal governmental experimentation. There may be aliens but I've seen no good proof yet.)) 7) The abduction agenda involves quite physical aims and procedures that belie the idea of a primary spiritual motivation on the aliens part, as well as refuting the notion that all they're doing in their agenda is crossbreeding. There are physical procedures and aims that have nothing to do with reproduction. These include: various types of implants in parts of the body; insertion of wires and tubes into the chest, kidneys wrist and knees; brain operations, deliberate pain experiments (ouch!); abductees immersed in water, forced ingestion eating or drinking of unknown fluids, cloning of humans et.al. ((Teo1000: This supports the notion of illegal experimentation. They need tissue samples and the like to effectively gauge the tested devices on the human body, no mystery here. The spiritual angle in this scenario is also a cover for much more mundane and sinister designs.)) 8) The agenda involves long-term mental and psychological programming of the abductee, it targets among other concepts: our social and personal relationships, our sexuality, our political ideas, and our religious and spiritual concerns. These are targets of programming that begin in almost every instance, with the abductee in early childhood. ((Teo1000: All can be explained by implants or remote mind control methodologies. They are designed to influence and catalogue behavior, and would touch on all of these areas of our lives. No aliens needed. I have always wondered why would aliens care one whit about us, especially our beliefs, sexuality and political ideas? Makes no sense to me.)) 9) Aliens through technology create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the perceptions of the targeted person. All five senses are involved. ((Teo1000: Virtual reality is used, but again, there is no need for alien involvement here.)) 10) The aliens show an extraordinary interest in human souls and in using those souls. [Soul recycling centers, black boxes, etc.] ((Teo1000: No objective truth of this statement, just hearsay of those involved in the phenomenon.)) Mind you I'm ready and willing to revise my opinion on alien life and intervention on earth, just show me some evidence and I will be ha
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 11:38:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i am well aware of dasgoat's position on these matters and for the most part we agree. my position is not to believe everything and to believe everything. sitchin's writings provide a better explanation for what is, than the creationists or the evolutionists. evolution is more likely to have taken certain leaps than not. i believe also that the evidence is out there but is being concealed, along with certain ufo connected stuff. it is almost like this is the ultimate conspiracy because it denies us our celestial roots. maybe it is because this stuff has been with me for so long but i cannot even consider the possibility that it is any other way. in this belief i am connected to my roots. i do not know if you have had any advanced courses in halucinagenics but; in that realm there is no other explanation. that halucinagenics exist at all is a testiment to higher consciousness and higher beings. i could loose all of this belief at the next passing thought, and i allow for that possibility but for now this is what i think. my opinion about reincarnation is pretty much the same as my belief on all of these matters and that is that; i could be inclined to believe it and a lot of people say that they have a good reason to believe it but; until i have a solidly good reason to believe, there will always be the question. edgar cayce makes a very good study but not until i find it for myself. it is a good thing to be skeptical about everything and then only those things that you are not skeptical of, get you. that is relatively true in almost all realms of belief. ramblin' guy chris Well, Ramblin' guy, we do not disagree on some things! Some comments that you make are right up my alley. First as to higher realms, absolutely agree but as to definition thereof that is another question entirely. I only have limited experience into hallucinogenics, but your reasoning is sound based on my knowledge. I would clarify this concept by saying that hallucinogenics merely enable you to cast aside the illusory sheen that overlays "reality" and allows to you to see what is "really" there. This implies a "higher" state of consciousness, but is not necessarily so. The higher nature of it is just illusory. I could not agree with you more about the truth being out there and being hidden. Your speculation as too celestial origin could be true, in many less obvious ways than alien interference even, but for now the jury is out and that is where I stand on the issue. My thoughts are likewise subject to revision at a moments notice (I used to be a fundamentalist Protestant Calvinist after all!!) UFO's and conspiracy go hand in hand as does the science of origins, even in the metaphysical realm, such as postulating a celestial origin in a scenario which features "alien" life forms actively manipulating life on earth. I believe that science in these areas is pretty well compromised. When there is so much dissension even among academics about issues that should be settled matters one has to wonder about more problematical ones, does one not? Knowledge is being kept from us, that is fact. That knowledge would be personally soul shaking and have a global effect if released. I believe that UFO's are real, but they are earthly craft piloted by humans, no ET's needed. That of course is excluding UFO's of natural origin. HOWEVER, as soon as one piece of evidence makes itself known (or is released since in your view such already exists) I would be the first to hail it as a major discovery and change my view as to "aliens". Part of the whole UFO phenomenon is one of societal control, a mechanism, such as that described by Jacque Vallee. It wants to control us and manipulate our mental energies in a certain direction, this is tied in heavily with mind control researches and experimentation. I appreciate your thoughts on the matter as always, feel free to contact me on these matters any time you wish I would always be willing to discuss them with you (or others on list). Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.l
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/23/99 11:38:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Myself I don't believe in other life elsewhere or that we have been visited by alien intelligences from elsewhere, and that is because of lack of evidence that is convincing or conclusive. HOWEVER, I don not make a dogmatic and blanket denial of the possible reality of such beings, they may, in fact, exist, but I feel more comfortable resting on evidence rather than on speculation. I should, perhaps, clarify my position here. I think there are other "intelligences" that may be involved with us humans, but they are not alien in origin, they may occupy dimensions that are "close" to ours and be seen and experienced at times by us. This could be the origin of folkloric creatures, such as werewolves, vampires, ghosts, and even aliens and UFO's. For these "beings" to be objectively real I think they are the essence of humans who have entered another state of being, OR they are merely illusory themselves, created as a backdrop to reality that is part of the collective view that we must all live within, just like rocks, trees, or gravity, with as much or as little significance as anything else that just "is". I hope I haven't hopelessly muddied my thoughts and the gist of what I intended gets through. :) Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pope to Meet w/Clinton in Hanger to View Alien Craft?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/22/99 12:26:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if its a atual story or not, or just a theory, but I once read that Demons and/or Monsters faced by those in the far flung past (read: mythological or historical times) may have in fact been aliens and not Demons or Monsters. If true I don't know. If it is a [printed] story, does anybody know who its by its name?? Sounds like Zecharia Sitchin and others like Van Danniken who believe that aliens visited earth in the past and were mistaken as demons and the like, as well as being the source of ancient technology. A bunch of hooey, IMO. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Pontificating Big Spooks]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/21/99 7:38:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But there's another factor operating in my presence on the list. It is precisely my background in intelligence and related matters that brings me here, *because I know damn well that conspiracies make the world go round. It's not one overarching Illuminati or Luciferian or Satanic or Jewish or Lutheran or any other kind of group behind the scenes; rather, it's a hodge-podge of all sorts of self-defined elites and wannabes, who claim--and maybe believe--that they really do run things... And sometimes they wind up cooperating, sometimes they compete, sometimes they just cancel each other out. And it's virtual places like CTRL that provide the best vantage points from which to observe and study these various conspiracies. I remember that years ago some friends of mine in the Catholic Resistance came up, quite accidentally, with a marvelous typo: they issued a statement in which they spelled "conspiracy" CONSPIRICY--in other words, not those who breathe together, but those who share the same Spirit. I like to think of CTRL, on good days, as a *conspiricy.* Bob Excellent comments Bob! I'm sure that Kris would like to say that the secret societies are more in charge than you would allow here, and I would agree with him at least a little ;) but there is truth in both scenarios. I for one believe that there IS an overarching group of controllers, if you will, that does indeed run the show, but they are completely hidden (at least their affiliations are, heck you may even know one of them, or be on of them for all I know). The other groups, or types you have identified are going about their own agendas thinking that they are the REAL elites, but they are subtly being manipulated by the TRUE hidden rulers. Sometimes there are competing theses, etc., but in the end the will of the true masters is always served. Too much time around for such NOT to have developed, and as for origins I look at least as far back as ancient Egypt, the priesthood which guarded all of the technology and information from the uninitiated. Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 1:49:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just the other day I got this e-mail from Hawk in regards to a theory I had concerning the arguement referenced below. Here it is: Hawk wrote: "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: Hawk, Carlene: I just realized how this guy works. Whenever he cannot defend his possition he uses name calling and derision. Then, if responded to with more rational arguements he responds again with more name calling and derision. Eventually the person he is argueing with responds in kind and then he responds by calling that person unreasonable and disruptive using quotes from that person to prove his point. Howard... you are one smart dude! You're right... of course you're right. I kept wondering why, when I'd answer his questions with a reasoned approach, he'd come right back saying "Hypocrite didn't answer my question! He's a fraud, a liar," etc... You're on target with your evaluation of his tactic. hawk If you wish to support him feel free to go join him off the list. He is gone, and it does not matter why or how, further discussion is pointless. You want to talk with the man talk until you are blue in the face, about racism, slavery, or whatever else you want. Thankfully it will not be on this list so I won't have to see it. Furthermore this list belongs to Kris (RoadsEnd) THEREFORE you are here at his discretion. He is EXTREMELY TOLERANT and has put up with a lot of shit over the life of this list and dealt with people just like Hawk before. NOW, if you don't like the way he runs things, TAKE A HIKE. He does what he does and with good reason, but even if he did it arbitrarily, who are you to tell him that he can't do it that way, he is the boss, so like it or lump it. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FW: NUFOIA: Doc Barry: 1927-1999
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 2:48:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Doc Barry is now taking that mysterious journey all of us will have to take at some point in the not-too-distant future. I am sure that, as soon as he gets acclimated to his current time/space location/level, he will be continuing to illuminate and SHOCK the masses over there by telling them What's up! Doc Barry enjoyed the respect of many people, including myself. In memory of Doc Barry I will continue to keep a link to his web site, and I am pleased that someone is going to be continuing to maintain that site. FAREWELL to a Cyber Space Friend. Well, he was briefly on board here, and while I didn't always agree with what he had to say it was good to have his point of view. I'm sure many will miss him. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Court kills suit on seized property
-Caveat Lector- Well, this does not help matters much but of course ignores the real issue of the unconstitutionality of the whole seizure issue. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why Can't Cameras Show Senators?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/17/99 11:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I stand in awe of the way you weave every subject imaginable into the pattern of your never ending story. Are you capable of writing about ANY theme without reducing it to bad Republicans and saintly Democrats? If so, please have mercy on us all. Barb Thank you Barb! You have reiterated a comment that I have made vis a vis Prudy's remarks before. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [BIOWAR] Foreign Affairs: U.S. 'needs' Saddam
-Caveat Lector- Gee do we need him? Wow, what a revelation, I guess none of us here knew this. Of course we need him, and when we first needed him we had good old George Bush, first "under" Reagan then as the big cheese himself building him up with weapons (Carter had a hand in this too) and technology to fight the evil Iran. We MADE him, and we NEED him, therefore he will be around as a "thorn" in our sides for some time to come. BTW, Glaspie's go ahead to Sadaam, vis a vis Kuwait is a classic indicator of our true purposes and motives, make him, build him up, war with him and knock him down, allow him to build back up again and so on, and so on, etc. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 10:37:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was a man's voice that I heard say it. At the time I turned to my husband and said, "Connally was in on it. He knew something was going to happen, and he was afraid he hadn't been included in quite all the plan." Prudy Prudy, I am inclined to agree with you here. I believe Connally was in on it, or at least knew a LOT more than he ever let on. With good reason perhaps since he probably would have been killed otherwise. Jackie did go out onto the trunk to get a piece of skull IMO, after viewing the movie several times it appears so. Look at her arm movement it clearly looks like she is reaching for something, not like she is trying to get away. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Racists . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/18/99 11:03:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I guess I am gonna have to change my Declaration Disclaimer to read - nazis and racists need not apply. I am deleting both hawk and charlene from the list. They may go start their own racist list somewhere else. I do not have to have their disruptive activity on this list. Om K CLAP, CLAP, CLAP Good riddance. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Striped Sleeves Mean Impeachment Is Military?
-Caveat Lector- Thanks Brian! That was a great post. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NSA Bans Furbies
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/13/99 2:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jesus Christ people The NSA didn't ban it from the country or even stop its employees from owning one. It just stopped its employees from bringing them into the building due to the fact that classified material is discussed and could be repeated by the Furby. Jesus Christ yourself, it is just a little fun. I don't think anyone is saying that the Furby's are an alien plot to overthrow us or anything . . . then again maybe they are. . . Furry, Furry, Furry. . . . Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Impeachment and Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:50:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm also surprised by your " this whole issue should have been dropped before it began" sentiments. Before Bill was impeached everyone was saying he would never be impeached. Now they're saying he won't be removed from office because they don't have the votes. If other evidence can be introduced from testimony via witnesses vis a vis the major acts of treason associated with Clinton's Presidency then he may be removed, and ironically, for the right reasons. Let's not forget that along with his litany of major and minor crimes I'm convinced he knew about the OKC bombing before-hand and used the murder of 168 people, devastating the lives of hundreds more, to vilify "militia's", "patriot's", talk radio and anybody else who was critical of his Presidency; the main objective was of course to push "The Anti-Terrorism Bill" which had stalled in Congress. The Bill gave unprecedented powers to the President and law enforcement. There is no crime, no principle, no moral, no life that he won't sacrifice in order to further the agenda's of the people who put him there. That is why he has to go. Gavin. Gavin, for all the peripheral reasons that you mention I am all for carrying this through, it is just disheartening to see it turn into a big cover-up to protect others in the government. It is my hope that more will come out and many more will go down but it is not likely. My concern is that this is turning into a morality issue, one in which the government will decide what moral position is "acceptable" and what one is not, which is EXACTLY where we stand now (even though those of us in the know, so to speak, know that it has nothing to do with the real issues in this whole debate). The government intrudes in my life enough, WAY too much in fact, right now and I don't want to give them any more opportunities to do so. That is my concern. I am frustrated that the real issues were not brought up immediately and that be the focus of this investigation. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Impeachment and Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/10/99 9:12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, Teo, you are allowing them to win... Not only do you let them get away with the 'wrongdoing' you admit you believe was done, you let them get away with the blatant blackmail they are conducting... The answer is to NOT just drop it all...do you really think they will stop the 'wrongdoing' if the watchdogs go away? I am not for dropping anything, just, now, wish that the whole thing had never begun in the first place. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Using the Bible and other things. . .
-Caveat Lector- First it is not improper to "use the Bible" to support your theories, but this list is about CONSPIRACY THEORY it is not about which religion to follow. If you have a conspiratorial contribution to make and wish to use the Bible to make your point then feel free to do so, I don't think anyone will object. What is strictly not allowed is utilizing the Bible to support religious positions and attempt in that way to hit others over the head with their "error" for not believing what you say. There is no proselytizing here, period. Even religious conspiracy is okay to discuss, but never will it be tolerated where it is used to try and belittle others beliefs, BELIEFS are not to be questioned, WHY? Because they cannot be confirmed or denied, they are a matter of PERSONAL FAITH and that is not an appropriate thing to be discussed here. It always leads to more and more arguments which take up more and more space and in the end a lot of people are hurt and nothing is resolved. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China still considers US a nuclear threat
-Caveat Lector- Well, since China still considers us a threat then they must be REALLY happy that they bribed Clinton and Gore and others for all of the fancy gadgetry that make it easier for them to destroy us. What a wise investment on their part, don't you think? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 4:30:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You own the list. You can do what ever you want with it. However, your banning Hawk from the list without even a warning or and ending to that particular thread is objectionable to me. Will I be next? Now I will have to be looking at everything I write and wonder if I will be cut off for writing it. I don't know if your cutting him from the list is because of what you stated or if it was because you did not wish to deal with an arguement you had firmly planted in your mind and did not wish to have shaken. I personally do not recall a passage in the Bible which condemns slavery even though my own code of ethics precludes it. Perhaps a deeper understanding of the moral code of 3,000 years ago and its relationship to that of today would be useful. I don't know. But apparently we aren't going to be discussing it here. best wishes, Howard Davis I beg to differ with you here. Kris did indeed warn him and all others about the rhetoric, and has on several occasions made his wishes known as far as what is acceptable and what is not on this list. The use of the bible and other religious material for the furtherance of ones own particular viewpoints is off topic here and smacks of proselytizing and if you will look at the disclaimer in every post this is clearly forbidden. Personally I would have done the same, but maybe would have added a few other people to the list as well. Kris does an admirable job here having to deal with so much garbage makes the job that much harder. This list is about conspiracy theory, get it? If not, bye, bye. Thanks Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Political and religious 'stances' discussions are subjects based upon 'personal' 'beliefs' and continual battlement on these subjects deter our study of 'social history and the forces behind the scenes. They are no win arguments that just go on and on, and that is why they should not be discussed here because they take away space that could be better served discussing other things that can be useful to everyone on the list. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] JFK MURDER SOLVED - The truth after 35 years . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 2:37:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sorry but this website is either misinformed or more disinformation. In the UNEDITED version of the Zapruder film it is CLEAR who fired the second shot, the one that took his face off. His name is William Harris and he was driving the limo at the time. He was a member of the Secret Service. How does one expose the highest police body in the nation. This is why this murder is still 'unsolved.' Well, well, well, is that so? Sounds like you have been listening to William Cooper, but you should be aware of some REAL "facts" before you put your foot in your mouth further. The man driving the Limo at the time was not named William Harris but William Greer. And he did not shoot the President from the front seat. If you look at the new video, "Image of an assassination" which has a very clear version of the film you can see that this is not so. UNLESS you want to argue alteration, etc., which some have done and continue to do. In any case the man is not Harris but Greer. This is not the reason (or at least is not the only reason) that this murder is still unsolved. The real reason is because of the governments role in the murder and their efforts to cloak that fact. Additionally one might want to consider the role of secret societies in this action as well, since a lot of the men investigating the crime and surrounding it, and prominent after the fact are all well connected in these societies. Check your facts before making such sweeping statements. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Bible Code
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 6:27:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone read 'The Bible Code' by Michael Drosnin?? Richard B. There was discussion on list about this book a short time ago, you might want to check the archives for more information. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Truth About Remote Viewing and Much More
-Caveat Lector- Well, that is one perspective. But I am more inclined to believe that Remote Viewing is in fact an effort to utilize experimental "black" technologies against unwitting subjects. The viewers are led to believe, through bogus tests, that they have psychic ability and then are set to work. At that point Mind Control devices are utilized (ELF, Microwave, etc.) to PROJECT the proper image into their head. They get the image, presto, Remote Viewing works. This is not to say that "demons" may not be involved according to some philosophies. Personally I believe that humans have inherent psychic ability, that has withered to very little over the last millennia due to the rise in civilization and technology. Any REAL remote viewing would be remnants of that which we already have. MO, of course. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: THE DISNEY EMAIL TRACING PROGRAM STORY (fwd)
Check it out. The story behind the hoax e-mail. Teo1000 Teo, I don't want to waste my limited allotment of daily posts to CTRL by sending the following to the list myself...but in light of Robert's Gates/Disney Email spam to the list, I thought the following might be of interest to list members, if you want to forward it yourself... June -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:56:38 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TOURBUS -- 27 AUGUST 1998 -- THE DISNEY EMAIL TRACING PROGRAM STORY TODAY'S TOURBUS STOP(S): THE DISNEY EMAIL TRACING PROGRAM STORY TODAY'S TOURBUS ADDRESSES: http://www.tourbus.com/archive/tb121197.txt http://www.tourbus.com/archive/tb021298.txt http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/columns/1998Essay/3-25col.htm Howdy, y'all! If you are like me, your email inbox is currently overflowing with stories about Disney's new email tracing program. Send an email message to all of your friends and Disney will give you either US$5000 or a free trip to Disney World. Sounds too good to be true, doesn't it? Well, it is. The story is yet another in a long string of email tracing story hoaxes that have been floating around the Net for the past year. Today's TOURBUS post exposes this hoax, and gives you a look at how this hoax has developed over the past ten months. - THE BILL GATES/NIKE/AND NOW DISNEY EMAIL TRACING HOAX - I recently found a quote that describes my feelings towards people who create Internet hoaxes: "They haven't got Brains, any of them, only grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake ..." -- Eeyore, The House at Pooh Corner Around the end of last year, someone thought it would be funny to create a false story announcing that Bill Gates had "written up an e- mail tracing program." The story went on to say that if you forwarded a particular email letter "to everyone you know ... everyone on the list will receive $1000 at [Bill Gates'] expense." I called Microsoft shortly after I received this message in December of 1997, and George Shaw, a spokesperson for Microsoft, told me the story is "officially not true." [see http://www.tourbus.com/archive/tb121197.txt] By February of 1998, additional "fluff-brains" had rewritten the Bill Gates email tracing program hoax/story. The first new version said that, in addition to US$1000, Mr. Bill was also going to send the first thousand people who respond to his email a free copy of Windows 98 (a.k.a. "Macintosh 87"). The second version congratulated you for being one of the first thousand people to respond to Bill's email, and tells you that all you need to do to claim your prize is to reply with your credit card number and expiration date so that Bill can credit your account. Obviously, neither of the new versions of the Bill Gates email tracing program hoax/story was true [see http://www.tourbus.com/archive/tb021298.txt]. Bill Gates himself even said that the whole thing is, and I quote, "hooey" [see http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/columns/1998Essay/3-25col.htm] A few weeks later, another fluff-brain thought it would be funny to change the Bill Gates email tracing program hoax/story to say that apparel maker Nike is "offering free Nike shoes and clothing" to people who help Nike test Microsoft's e-mail tracing program [see http://www.tourbus.com/archive/tb022698.txt]. For the record, Nike's response was that "reports of a Nike 'software testing' promotion are false." Last week, the Bill Gates/Nike email tracing program hoax/story reappeared, this time under the Disney flag. The new version says that Disney is helping Microsoft test a new email tracing program and if you forward a particular email message to everyone you know and if it reaches 13,000 people, 1,300 of the people on the list will receive $5,000, and the rest will receive a free trip for two to Disney World ... The message is signed by "Walt Disney Jr., Disney, Bill Gates, The Microsoft Development Team." For the record, Walt Disney did not have any sons; he only had only daughters. So, unless one of his daughters recently had a little "surgery" in Sweden, there is no "Walt Disney Jr." In addition, a call to Disney's Corporate Relations earlier today (26 August 1998) confirmed what we have already known for months: the Bill Gates/Nike/Disney email tracing program hoax/story is simply not true. Many people who have redistributed the Bill Gates/Nike/Disney email tracing program hoax have asked, "who could it hurt?" Unfortunately, the answer is *THEM*! Procter Gamble has recently been dealing with a similar urban legend (the PG urban legend says a PG executive proclaimed his love of Sat
Re: [CTRL] Still Unsolved: The Brown/Goldman Murders
-Caveat Lector- I have just finished reading the book; "Killing Time", about this very case. The information within it causes me to look with much doubt upon the idea that OJ committed the murders. Interestingly it does cause me to believe that he knows a lot more about who did it and why, but is not saying anything for some reason, probably fear. I think the evidence points to DRUGS, and both Nicole and Ron were involved. The MAFIA is probably present in some form, and where they are the INTELLIGENCE SERVICES are not far behind. In my mind there is a LOT MORE to this whole issue than we are being asked to believe. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 10:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, Teo, why'd you call that damn Art Bell show? kt 'Cause I knew it would cause so much disruption around here!!! WOW! Seriously it was NOT me calling Art Bell, but I am still waiting for someone to tell me what was discussed and why they thought it was me who was calling. Teo1000 FRUSTRATED DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 12:59:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Teo FWIW, I am NOT June. Only know her through this list. Duh !!! If you wish to hallucinate that I am her, go for it but AND A BIG BUT at that, I AM NOT JUNE AND WILL NEVER BE ANYONE BUT LYNNE so wake up and smell the roses Teo, and g et your people straight. Lynne M Giles and no one else but Lynne I NEVER said you were! I merely quoted an article that was written by June which included your name in the header so it may have appeared that I was referring to you when I was referring to June. Sorry for the confusion. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 1:03:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, all, I only sign up with one ISP and am not using any false names. Usually it is the ones who do the accusing of doing such a thing that are actually doing it. Now to get off my soapbox and pardon me to all get out for DARING to add a bit of levity by the post I sent earlier in the day about great minds. Guess I was mistaken about some minds (now if you want to continue insults, let's go for it) Lynne Let's just take it easy here. Don't you think you are getting carried away here? Someone just having a little fun, don't take it so seriously. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/99 5:44:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, I was wondering the same thing. Guess great minds think alike. And, p lease answer the question Teo, inquiring minds want to knowvbg Lynne I was NOT on the show, BUT am now DAMNED curious as to what was said to spark the debate?!?! Please tell me what was discussed! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 6:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 2 Jan 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I was wondering the same thing. Guess great minds think alike. Or they are small minds who sign up with ISPs which provide multiple IDs, and/or 'freebies' like Juno, Hotmail, et al, and pretend to be different people... ;-) June June is that REALLY you? LOL Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/99 5:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Teo, Hey did I hear you on Art Bell during the 1999 Predictions? Not me, but do tell, did you here someone espousing theories or concerns that mirror some of what I post here on CTRL? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Y2K Overhype (Re: [CTRL] OEN 12/27/98)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/29/98 4:57:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So true, so true. Whether it turns out to be a bona fide catastrophe or merely a pretext for martial law, I think we need to start converting our anxieties about it into action, and use it as an opportunity for community building, community agriculture to guarantee continuity of our food supply, etc. Call me a kook, but I think we need to steal the ball and take it back down the court, knowwaddimean? --Charles Could not agree more Charles. When you SIGHT the ball let me know and then we can TRY to steal it back and then go back down the court! :) Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Snvel snivel was Re: Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 11:52:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you seem to be stuck on dealing with the symptoms rather than the problem. comparable to putting a band-aid on a car wreck. you are right but you could be righter. your stand seems to subtract from the greater issues and irregardless of where you stand on this, you should be aware of who you are standing next to and mindful of whose company your opinions are keeping with. you are mostly right but there is a more central position. a warier eye chris My problem is perhaps jumping the gun too much when I see people making stupid comments in support of someone about which they know nothing and refuse to see the truth. People can label me all they want, but I am not a right winger, not racist, not any of the things mentioned above. I don't give a crap what people label me as. I just can't stand stupidity and sycophantic support. A more central view is one that would condemn all of this activity on all sides as I MOST DEFINITELY do. Much of what Jerry had to say, was probably correct in someone's viewpoint but I tend to just go after the stupidity. I can certainly get a handle on the idea that right wing radicals were behind the 60's "Jim Crow south", it is a fair characterization. It would also be a fair characterization to say that it was the "liberals" who did something to change that sorry state of affairs. BUT and here is the big issue for me. . .IT IS SHEER LUNACY to automatically support and sustain people simply because of idiotic notions of political parties and so-called social agenda BECAUSE some liberals were racist, and some radical right wing types were not. This is just one example, of many I could mention. Closer to this issue is; Why do the supporters of Clinton continue to support him in light of all of the evil surrounding him? ALSO; Why do so many who want to see him hang concentrate so much on the stupid issues of lying and sex charges and not on the real issues (in effect toting the Republican party line)? I am not a republican, and I support no agenda, sometimes I just respond too quickly to ridiculous and stupid comments from ass kissing idiots. Republicans are no better. Why don't we have referendum to remove all the assholes right now? Why aren't we pushing for in depth investigations on all of the traitors and treasonous scum who are in office right now (of which a majority are probably REPUBLICAN, if for no other reason than that they are the majority in office at this time, but more probably due to the fact that most democrats are in reality republican in philosophy, bearing in mind that these characterizations "republican" and "democrat" are just ways of describing a stereotypical philosophical viewpoint and in no way correspond to reality)? Why aren't the Hyde's and the Livingston's dragged screaming out into the light as well? There are agendae here that is a certainty and some radical right wingers are definitely after Clinton. That bothers me. I would like to tackle one problem at a time please. Let us get rid of Clinton, a person we very definitely have the goods on, THEN we can start again and go down the list till we get rid of all the mother***kers in office. In the end result though, nothing will happen and it will be business as usual, and really what good will it do to have Clinon removed? I am a big "principle" man, but I am also growing weary of this crap too. Does that clear things up about my position? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Incredible Newsweek cover--European Union Tower ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 3:40:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lloyd Responds: Here's a good revision for you:--the Pope is the head of the Beast! Lloyd is a fellow member of the long, boring, bombastic, legalistic posters club that seems to thrive on this list. Here he is at least brief but in being so he has exposed his know nothing fundamentalist philosophy with great clarity. Jerry Lloyd may be somewhat long winded at times, as are many here, including myself. BUT, everyone who studies conspiracy in international politics and banking owes him a debt of gratitude. The site he manages A-Albionic.com is a VERY large and well organized site chock full of loads of good information. Sure there are agendas in everyone, including you Jerry, but does that negate good work done by the person in question? Lloyd Miller is a valuable poster here and it is my hope that he continue to contribute. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 4:18:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When are you Clinton haters going to stop weaseling about Clinton's popularity and face the fact that the voters have elected him twice, think he is terrific for the economy and conducts foreign policy much better than his recent predecessors? All your awkward rationalizing does not persuade. Polling has become an important statistical discipline, the practitioners know the ins and outs. You simply don't want to know the facts but the Republicans will pay the price in 2000. Jerry Well, I'm sure we will all agree that Clinton is a popular man and he was elected to office twice, and I must say I have heard more than one person say that they hated him because he lied but if they could they would vote him back into office yet again because they "like" him so much and he has done so much good for our country. We will all agree to this if you Clinton suck up sycophants will just admit that he is a traitor, that he has committed treason, that he is a slime, that he is a greedy bastard who sold out his country's national security to the Chinese for a little bit of money, that he is or was involved in drug smuggling out of Mena, that he was in bed with Bush at least for a while, that he sold out labor with his great support for GATT and NAFTA, and that much of everything else that he did is just a smokescreen for 6 years of not a lot. Let's not forget the great respect that our foreign policy garners around the world, Madeline Albright is such a good example of US international expertise isn't she? William Christopher another great example of US foreign policy know how, right? MIND YOU I'm NOT saying that I prefer Bush or any of his ilk either because he is much MORE of a rat and weasel than Clinton, and was able to get away with it all to boot, which makes me "hate" him more for it. Your sycophantic support is just as sickening as anything you attribute to the "horrible" republicans and their "evil" "partisan" attacks against this "goodly" and "saintly" man who is just trying to do his best for our nation. PLEASE GIVE US ALL A BREAK!? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/25/98 7:38:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to the realities of global corporatism. Monsanto could live without it--it has no impact on European or Asian markets, for instance. kt kt This is an excellent observation. The FDA is run by former business men and the businesses (like Monsanto) frequently hire former FDA workers to work for them. It is a blatant conflict of interest in my opinion, especially in all the talk about Nutrasweet and other questionable foodstuffs. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Microwaved food, no good?
-Caveat Lector- From Trufax.org (Leading Edge International) Teo1000 Court Removes Gag Order from Swiss Scientist on Microwaved Food Hans Hertel is the first scientist to conceive of and carry out a quality study on the effects of microwaved nutrients on the blood and physiology of human beings. This small but well-controlled study pointed the firm finger at a degenerative force of microwave ovens and the food produced in them. The conclusion was clear: microwave cooking changed the nutrients so that changes took place in the participants' blood; these were not healthy changes but were changes that could cause deterioration in the human systems. Working with Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the University Institute for Biochemistry, Hertel not only conceived of the study and carried it out, he was one of eight participants. In 1991 Hans Ulrich Hertel and a Lausanne University professor published a research paper indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a greater risk to health than food cooked by conventional means. Significant changes were discovered in the blood of the volunteers who consumed foods cooked in the microwave oven. These changes included a decrease in all haemoglobin values and cholesterol values, especially the HDL (good cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values and ratio. Lymphocytes (white blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants. Each of these indicators point in a direction away from robust health and toward degeneration. Additionally, there was a highly significant association between the amount of microwave energy in the test foods and the luminous power of luminescent bacteria exposed to serum from test persons who ate that food. This led Hertel to the conclusion that such technically derived energies may, indeed, be passed along to man inductively via consumption of microwaved food. An article appeared in issue number 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which it was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancer- type effects on the blood. The article was followed by the research paper itself. On 7 August 1992 the Swiss Association of Manufacturers and Suppliers of Household Appliances brought an action against the applicant in the Canton of Berne Commercial Court. It produced an expert report by a professor at Zürich Federal Institute of Technology from which it appeared that the applicants research was worthless and his findings untenable. As soon as Hertel and Blanc announced their results, the hammer of authority slammed down on them. A powerful trade organisation, the Swiss Association of Dealers for Electroapparatuses for Households and Industry, known simply as FEA, struck swiftly. They forced the President of the Court of Seftigen, Kanton Bern, to issue a 'gag order' against Hertel and Blanc. The attack was so ferocious that Blanc quickly recanted his support-but it was too late. He had already put into writing his views on the validity of the studies where he concurred with the opinion that microwaved food caused the blood abnormalities. Hertel stood his ground, and today is steadfastly demanding his rights to a trial. Preliminary hearings on the matter have been appealed to higher courts, and it's quite obvious the powers that be do not want a 'show trial' to erupt on this issue. In March 1993, the court handed down this decision based upon the complaint of the FEA: "Consideration. 1. Request from the plaintiff (FEA) to prohibit the defendant (Dr Ing. Hans Hertel) from declaring that food prepared in the microwave oven shall be dangerous to health and lead to changes in the blood of consumers, giving reference to pathologic troubles as also indicative for the beginning of a cancerous process. The defendant shall be prohibited from repeating such a statement in publications and in public talks by punishment laid down in the law.death in connection with microwave ovens. However, in 1998 that decision was reversed. In a judgment delivered at Strasbourg on 25 August 1998 in the case of Hertel v. Switzerland, the European Court of Human Rights held that there had been a violation of Hertel's rights in the 1993 decision . Under Article 50 of the Convention, the Court awarded the applicant a specified sum for legal costs and expenses. The European Court of Human Rights decided that the "gag order" issued by the Swiss courts against the Bernese scientist prohibiting him from declaring that microwave ovens are dangerous to health was contrary to the right to freedom of expression. In addition, Switzerland was sentenced to pay compensation of F 40,000. This decision is to put an end to judicial censorship of persons drawing attention to the health hazards of certain products. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzt
[CTRL] Fwd: AP Story On Hastert Cites Wrong Numbers
In a message dated 12/23/98 2:45:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't access any of the lists. Would you please send out the ALERT below to CTRL list re today's AP story and the wrong numbers mentioned in the story by Jennifer Loven (the URLS are included so that you can take a look). I don't have access to my other e-mail account. Thanks! -Andy SUBJECT: AP story Reports Speaker-in-waiting Hastert Old ACU Rating DATE: 12.23.98 In the AP story "Hastert a Conservative at Heart," by JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer, the ACU rated Speaker-in-waiting Hastert a score of 88 ["The American Conservative Union gave him an 88"]. But at http://www.conservative.org/98ratings/IL2ME.htm , of ACU's website, a score of 100 was given for 1998. The 88 score was given in 1997, from what the chart reads. Any idea why AP wrote otherwise --giving last year's info seems misleading? You can find the AP story at http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981223/V000995-122398-idx.html The man isn't even Speaker yet and the media's starting already! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I can't access any of the lists. Would you please send out the ALERT below to CTRL list re today's AP story and the wrong numbers mentioned in the story by Jennifer Loven (the URLS are included so that you can take a look). I don't have access to my other e-mail account. Thanks! -Andy SUBJECT: AP story Reports Speaker-in-waiting Hastert Old ACU Rating DATE: 12.23.98 In the AP story "Hastert a Conservative at Heart," by JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writer, the ACU rated Speaker-in-waiting Hastert a score of 88 ["The American Conservative Union gave him an 88"]. But at http://www.conservative.org/98ratings/IL2ME.htm , of ACU's website, a score of 100 was given for 1998. The 88 score was given in 1997, from what the chart reads. Any idea why AP wrote otherwise --giving last year's info seems misleading? You can find the AP story at http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981223/V000995-122398-idx.html The man isn't even Speaker yet and the media's starting already! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [CTRL] Merry Christmas Eve to all
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/24/98 6:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Best of the Seasons to all. Onward to the utmost of futures. Amen. Om same to you and everyone. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Steamshovel Press
-Caveat Lector- I would like to make one other comment on this issue, that I inadvertently asked Kris to scan for us without thinking. There definitely is at least one thing that we can do to keep issues before the public eye and hopefully cause some things to be brought into the light of day, and that is to support magazines like Steamshovel Press by buying it and spreading the word so that it will stay in production. I used to subscribe to it back before the printer problems and was greatly impressed with it's content and am sure that Kenn has kept up the same level of writing. I have all of my magazines still and often refer back to them. Kenn please post the address and subscription information again, and tell us if any back issues are available. PS How is the Maury Island book thing going? Did you get any good info. on Crissman (sp?)? I will definitely buy the book when I see it in the store. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Capitol Punishment
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/23/98 11:34:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no. they are sniveling, cover their asses, thumb-in-the-dyke politicians, with exposes just about to spill over into the media. the whole game in washington is what's going to get out about whom. with blackmail stacked on top of extortion stacked atop of more blackmail, atop of even more extortion; what we in the public get is the result of a chess game played by many that come down to a loser or losers who lose the game. why expose someone's dirty laundry when you can carry them around in your pocket. with whom you may twist their arms with it whenever you need to have your way with them. it is a dirty, stinking, filthy, nasty business but somebody has to do it. chris Precisely!! A game, but the real players remain unseen so far. They should all be shot and let God sort them out. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] God Bless You, Bill and Hillary!
-Caveat Lector- Brian Redman, you are a better man than I, but for the sake of the Holidays, I say that neither the President nor his illegal activities nor his wife will be able to steal MY joy this season. I will not bless them, because they simply don't deserve it, but until after the holidays neither will I curse them . . . unless they murder more innocent people in the meantime . . . there I go again. . . Teo1000 Merry Christmas to All DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stuff sitting on my scanner
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/22/98 1:06:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. There is a new issue of Steamshovel, #16 and chock full of nuggets. An excellent interview with the founder of THE FINDERS and many other fine articles on all our favorites. Go out and find. Kris you have to post this interview, some of us have been absolutely DYING to get anything on the Finders for a long time now! I will try to find the magazine but am not optimistic. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Will bin Laden Retaliate?
-Caveat Lector- OH, OH! If you see the local contingent of the BATF abandon their posts at your city's Federal Building I would run for cover! That naughty Bin Laden may put 2,000, no it might be 4,000, wait it could possibly be 8,000, pounds or more, of fuel oil and ammonium nitrate outside in a Ryder truck and blow it up. Then we'll have to find a way to blame the radical right wing while also condemning Bin Laden and NOT pointing out the failure of our own security. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 5:29:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a sad thing that a hate filled willful mob of Republicans have skirted the democratic process by negating the election by us of President Clinton. snip a bunch of other namby pamby BULLSHIT Boo Hoo!! Those nasty republicans going around the constitution Those hooligans, those ruffians!! What a tremendous load of horse manure, if you really believe what is in this post then you really need some help. Poor Clinton and his wonderful Democrat's they are angels and saints who should just be left alone to pass more job stealing legislation like NAFTA and GATT, no I didn't mean that, they should be left alone to help the working man, yeah that is it. Just let the GREAT man alone and everything will be all right, he won't take away any of our rights. He won't attack a defenseless country every time he is in political trouble. He won't have a sadist as Attorney General, who burns and poisons religiously diverse people. He won't sell our computer technology to the CHINESE MILITARY. He won't sell encryption technology to the RED CHINESE MILITARY. He won't sell supercomputers to the RED CHINESE MILITARY ENEMIES of the US. He won't cover up and obstruct justice. He won't betray labor. He won't sell out our national security. He won't do any of these things . . . wait a minute HE HAS DONE them ALL. What was I thinking?! Please take off the rose colored glasses and look at the flawed money grubbing traitorous, and treasonous man for what he is and his wife too. And before you even go there I am just as much in favor of NUKING the Republicans as well and think that Many of them are FAR worse than Clinton, Bush for example. I suppose you will continue to have your head so far in the sand that any daylight getting through is just out of the question. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 11:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Assuming that China is making a profit on all the goods they are selling to US, where is all this money going to? Well, one is to the continued erosion of any US national manufacturing expertise and capability. All paid for by US, slick trick, hunh. The clinton / cosco etc. sideshow is to keep the 'dogs' at 'command' and Interesting comments Kris. Ones that I will give due consideration. We are not in disagreement about Bush's relationship to Clinton. No comparison, Bush is the REAL wheeler-dealer and THE mover and shaker. Clinton is indeed somewhat of a patsy as I stated but should we allow those in office to continue to get away with everything and not raise a ruckus? Should we not execute our will and demand that something be done? Well, in retrospect maybe we SHOULDN'T, since we already know that this thing is already mapped out and determined. Senate will not convict, and he will continue, making everyone happy and getting a lot of shit done behind the scenes when nobody is watching. Maybe we should be looking for the man behind the curtain rather than the show that is before us. i am just as cynical as you are Kris knowing full well where this is going, but damn it is frustrating and I want what is best for our country and can't help but feel that one good thing would be to let him take his lumps and maybe cause some people to wake up and take some political action as a result of this. Who Knows? Some people don't vote any more because it is who "they" want to be elected who finally is elected. Why should we care? Maybe we shouldn't after all it is just a play for the public's benefit. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Strange Tale of Eugene Dinkins
-Caveat Lector- This is an absolutely fascinating story!! I have read it before but it does need to be brought up again from time to time to let people know that not all is hidden from view. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 1:01:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: He could nuke Ohmaha and they would still support him, even though I issued a challenge to them to tell me what he had done that was so "good" in his administration in the last six years... not even one "good" thing could be mentioned by them. I agree on the Omaha point. But to give "them" credit Prudy did mention the family leave act, and I must admit it was a good thing. But does it off set the other bad stuff? No. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 5:04:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: not to justify anything for anybody but have you considered that this stuff would be going on, no matter who was in office? do you think that this stuff could go on without the knowledge and okay of the puppetmasters? which brings me to my point; it is the puppetmasters who are telling everyone to go after clinton. i for one always divine the puppetmasters influence and oppose it on principle. whenever i see someone doing their bidding i have to say something. as long as we are dealing with this hubbub we are not messing with them and they are what this list is all about. had to say, Yes, I agree with you. It probably doesn't matter who is in charge of the WH because the Puppet masters are in ultimate control. But who is being run? Is Clinton being run and the Republicans just opposing the agenda, or is it the other way around. I don't know. I too just seem to oppose the agenda of the puppetmasters because it is universally bad. Not knowing the proper response I say we exercise our willas a people and try to DO something. Sometimes anything is better than nothing. Maybe we should try and send a messagfe to at least some polititians that we can get them out if they are not serving us. But then maybe we are just serving the puppetmasters? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 11:42:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, Roads End writes: Please take off the rose colored glasses and look at the flawed money grubbing traitorous, and treasonous man for what he is and his wife too. I 'd bet money, that if we were 'privy' to the highest security clearances you would find that ' CIA Clinton's and his NSA wife's actions have been 'authorized' . The enemy is not the Clintons, per se. It is the 'national security state' apparatus, within our government and military. MHO I don't have a problem with this comment at all. It would make sense. Still he is the front man so he gotta pay the price sometime. I agree there IS a real enemy and you have named it, and behind that is Bush and his cronies? Yes. I refuse to just sit here and let Clinton ride though . . . even though your arguments are compelling, I still want him to get put down. I just wish a bunch of other could be brought down with him. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The impeachment of President Clinton
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 5:04:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: not to justify anything for anybody but have you considered that this stuff would be going on, no matter who was in office? do you think that this stuff could go on without the knowledge and okay of the puppetmasters? which brings me to my point; it is the puppetmasters who are telling everyone to go after clinton. i for one always divine the puppetmasters influence and oppose it on principle. whenever i see someone doing their bidding i have to say something. as long as we are dealing with this hubbub we are not messing with them and they are what this list is all about. had to say, chris One other comment. You are certainly correct that it is diversionary and it makes me wonder what THE WHOLE IMPEACHMENT CHARADE is designed to cover up? What type of actions are going on elsewhere, that we should really be watching. I am willing to drop the issue entirely as having no viable solution because it is a political done deal, no conviction in the Senate, thus no end. Everyone happy, except people who love the country and wish things were as good as they once were, here in the land of the free and home of the brave. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] My what a world.
-Caveat Lector- Things really are bad now. In defense of "morality" and "Christian heritage" some members of this list are bringing out Mcarthy and Buchanan to support a rightist anti-Communist agenda. God help us all! If this is where things are heading count me out and I will diligently post nothing else about Clinton and his crimes, the National Security State and it's crimes or the Military Industrial Complex and it's crimes or the Bush Crime syndicate etc. It amazes me that there are still such wooden responses in politics, left, right, conservative, liberal, show me a difference. Why just knee jerk your response? Think a little people. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 9:49:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The weasel Bob Livingston was outed and had to resign also. Thank God for Bob Dornan, who unequivacolly called for Livingston's resignation Friday night on FOX's Hannity Colmes, as well as the resignation of all in leadership positions who are exposed as adulterers. Well, if it's good for Bob Dornan, it must be good for the nation. I can't think of anyone we all admire as much as Bob Dornan (well except maybe Dick Morris). Prudy B-1 Bob Dornan. The Messiah to radical Fundamentalists and Right Wing benchwarmers. Watch what you say there could be a laser guided bomb headed toward your house right now Prudy. LOL Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Anthrax Scare in LA
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 11:34:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Authorities held the people, most of them U.S. Bankruptcy Court staff members, as firefighters and FBI investigators tested the ventilation system for anthrax spores. Those tests also came up empty, said Jonathan Fielding, spokesman for the Los Angeles County Health Department. Bankruptcy court is a good place to anthrax if one had to make a choice. . . Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 7:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The other plus is that this business just might get the Democrats back in control of Congress. Prudy That way there won't be any more bickering and the Dem.'s can sell all the technology to China and maybe Russia too, so that they can realm their missiles at us with greater precision. The Republican's are evil but at least you KNOW it is coming Dem.'s are much more wolves in sheep's clothing 'cause they are just as bad if not worse than the republicans [except George Bush who IS the antichrist], but act as if they are not. Clinton and Dem.'s are for the "working man" and the people and "against" corporations, that is the propaganda but nothing could be further from the truth, look at GATT, and NAFTA and it's devastating effect on our workforce. He is pushing MAI and the IMF which is just monetary Mafia dictating how others should run their own countries. This message is for anyone who isn't a knee jerk Democratic robot, like Prudy, who thinks that the Dem.'s are angels and the rep's devils and that Clinton is practically god manifest and can do NO wrong but let the rep's say one word and it is jump all over them. This message is for people who are tired of the same old shit in Washington. For people who want a revolution that will take us legally back to true representative democracy and constitutional law. I think Clinton should be hanged for his TREASON, selling out our national defense for MONEY, what happened to the CIA guy who got caught doing the same thing? Where is he? I don't give a rat's ass whether he had sex or lied or committed perjury. They won't go after him for the important things because they will implicate themselves. It HAS to be personal in order to get them off the hook. Political expediency. So we have the situation as it is, Clinton has committed crimes, they are sufficient for his removal so get him the hell out, I wish we could go after more and get him for treason and all the rest but why not take one step at a time? Prudy and other Clinton die-hard lovers, please keep your heads firmly buried in the sand because if you saw the reality you might think that your one sided view is badly distorted which could cause some trauma, I don't want to be the cause of that, thank you very much. Teo1000 PS I know that Prudy will respond with "well why didn't we get Bush?" because that's the only mantra she knows to ward off the evil that surrounds Clinton. The answer is that he was TOO powerful and had TOO MUCH money. I don't like it and never will but let us effect change NOW before it is too late, CLINTON is president NOW not BUSH. Will we always dwell in the past? Why not just sit back like idiots and dream of the days of glory under Kennedy instead of actually doing something? It is stupid that is why. PPS I have nothing against Prudy or other Clinton and democrat supporters EXCEPT that they refuse to see the truth, It is not personal. Have a nice day? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 1:05:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, Roads End writes: I say Mr. Bush is farther-up the puppet-master line. Clinton is more patsy than president, MHO. The impeachment proceedings are very destructive to our body politic/republic, that is why it is being proceeded along partisan lines. The federal government, excepting the few mavericks, has been highly corrupt for years and our idealism is used against us. Now, don't get me wrong. I do not care for Clinton, voted third party, but this 'dumbing down' of presidential impeachment and orchestrated scandal is downright funky and is not in the republic best interest. Clinton is much more captive, gee, do you think that anyone might have any blackmailable info on Billy-boy? Let us get real , get beyond our own partisan viewpoint and stand back to see the 'big picture'. Partisan impeachment is divisive on its face; Disgusting in its wake and destructive for our institutions. Om Well said, and I might agree with you but it is a purely political thing anyway, outside of our efforts to change it. The House will vote for impeachment and pass the ball to the Senate where everyone knows they don't have enough votes to put him out, they are all trying to cover each other's asses. Now as to Bush still being ringleader, I find that completely possible in an overarching non-direct way, but he must be out of the loop in some of what Clinton does in order for my theories about Clinton and China to be true. He will not be removed, so it is really a moot point. Clinton is a patsy in some ways but all too knowledgeable and accountable in other ways. I disagree that a constitutional process could be bad for the republic. Maybe some other, better good will come of it if it indeed forces out other issues of more immediate concern and brings down a lot of the goon republicans and not a few other democrats in office as well. I'm flexible, but as I say the political process is already in place to try and save everyone's bacon so it is unlikely that this will lead anywhere. One point I will grant in considering this just now, if the process continues it could lead to more needless deaths when Clinton decides to attack East Hicksburg because they are a "security threat" to the US, in another wag the dog scenario. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] As Impeachment Looms, Clinton Seems In Denial (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 1:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the only difference between the republicrats and the democans is that the republicrats can afford to make sure that those whose silence have been bought, stay bought. they keep that power because they have and continue to rob the country blind. you are being just a little narrow, jumping on the 'hang clinton' bandwagon. i expected more from you teo. the whole damned system needs to be hanged. i, for one, would not rub elbows with republicrat scum, no matter what clinton did. and not that i am particularly for clinton either. if history does him any justice; bush will go down on history as one of the biggest criminal assholes to ever walk this planet, a free man. and there are plenty more like him. i want to see clinton hanged for his crimes but hang him for the real thing, not this made up, so-called case against him. and while we are at it, let's hang the whole system wherein the real criminals are not in jail but running and ruining, our lives from wash. dc. hang em all chris Why expect more from me? I agree with you wholeheartedly. But it is unlikely that we will get him for the big stuff so I say get him for what we can. As for there being plenty more of the republicans who are assholes and rich, absolutely but nowhere do I say we should cozy up to them. I think they are all a bunch of assholes and I totally agree with you that it is the SYSTEM as it operates (not as it was designed, perhaps) that needs to be changed. Hang them all? Yes, absolutely! I am NOT a republican, and DO NOT support anything they do any more than I support anything the democrats do. You are right about one other thing too, when the republican fat cats pay you off you stay bought or you die. Simple equation. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: DNA Sample with Every Arrest
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:55:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: `The innocent have nothing to fear,'' Safir said Monday. ``Only if you are guilty should you worry about DNA testing.'' I can't tell you how sick I am of hearing this litany!!! I have nothing to fear if they come in and break down my door and smash my furniture looking for nonexistent illegal stuff too right!! I have nothing to fear when they confiscate my weapons, and my car and my money and house simply because some informant told them I was a drug dealer. I have nothing to fear right? I did nothing wrong, and have nothing to fear, I have so little to fear in fact that soon I will have nothing. . .period!!! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 6:19:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Few things are more strange than the frequent statements from some on this list that there is no difference between the two major parties. When one compares the legislative votes and what the President proposes, there is a remarkable difference. Generally speaking, when some socially progressive bill comes before Congress, such as an increase in the minimum wage, the democrats will vote in favor by, say, 75% while the Republicans are 7% in favor. If the bill is socially regressive, as in lowering environmental quality standards, the vote pattern is reversed. There's no difference? The Democrats are hardly 10 feet tall. The 4 foot Democratic party only seem tall when compared with the 6 inch Republican party. Jerry Harp The voting is no way to judge whether or not the parties are different. It is the end result which is important. Also some laws have no interest to the "controllers" who are directing things, thus the politicians can vote their conscience or the way the people bribing them want them to. All the other stuff (voting, having hearings, etc. . .) is window dressing and a carefully crafted game to lead us to believe that they really are doing the best for us and that there IS a difference between the two parties, so we will vote for one or the other based upon PERCEIVED differences which are really caricatures of our innermost fears and desires, and not take a real look at the system and start over again with a REAL choice instead of the sham that we have now. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Teo: Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 12:17:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Teo: Never mind the length, Teo, this is the best "no bullshit" summary of the whole business that I have ever read! Impressed, Edward Thanks Edward! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 3:34:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It may go farther than that. I think George, Jr., be the next President and if he is anything like his Dad or Grandfather... we'll be up to our necks in trouble. Excellent Thinking, Regards, Bob Stokes Barring martial law by Clinton in an effort to become king for life, it is my prediction that IF G. Bush Jr., for office in 2000 he WILL win. Period. Then the real fun begins as we kiss everything we hold dear good-bye. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 6:41:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip a lot of good stuff If it were you or me who was being brought up on these charges we would be imprisoned, fined, possibly tortured... we would be decimated, but not Clinton. Can you actually provide evidence that Clinton had illegal wiretaps? Was Clinton illegally detained without legal representation? I don't think so. The Constitution has not been interpreted conservatively for a century or longer. Clinton ignores the Constitution, and acts as a dictator most of the time. Regards, Bob Stokes Bob your comments exactly reflect mine. There is a cronyism that is in effect, one that guarantees that Clinton will not be tried for the REAL crimes he has committed because there are other people involved that would also lose out. Sure people may not like the whole thing (though I am aware of MANY people who are fed up with him and his continuous lieing and want him gone even if it is "all about sex" as some claim) but most of the people are completely oblivious to the real crimes; the chinese encryption transfer, the computer transfer, the satellite deals, the COSCO deal, etc. . . It is my belief that if any of this got out widely then the vote for impeachment would be a done deal. It won'tr of course 'cause Ken Starr and his other buddies are just as dirty and this needs to be kept under the covers. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Teo: Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 1:54:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Being in general agreement with this statement, I am interested in your conjecture--apart from cronyism--concerning why there was very little effort to pursue these issues. It would seem that Starr's efforts would have yielded a far better result if these had been the primary focus. And yes, I am aware of the debate over there having been, comparatively, less evidence regarding "all of the above." Edward It seems to me that it would all come down to political control programs in general. I believe that there is NO difference between the parties and that they all occupy positions of power for a purpose. They may be duly elected but they are eventually turned to the control of the elites, or "controllers" if you prefer. They do what they are told to do, democrat or republican, makes no difference. Starr was hired to dig into weighty matters that could lead to many nasty surmises (Whitewater and etc. . .). Most of this stuff goes back to when Clinton was Governor of Ark., and the Mena airport business, but would even go back further since it is my contention that he was recruited for the CIA and was handpicked by the people of the Skull and Bones society (under the leadership of George Bush, intel asset for many years) to run for and win the Presidency. Whikle he was Governor "making a name for himself" he allowed the use of Mena for drug smuggling and made a lot of money for himself. It seems to me that Whitewater would have been an ideal vehicle to handle all of the excess money. Bush and Clinton are in cahoots together. Starr has connections to right wing political supporters, who are friends with Bush. Now it seems to me that Starr was confronted with a no win situation since any fair examination of the REAL and substantive issues here would always lead back to Bush or other powerful people that he was "in" with, he had no choice but to go after "personal" crimes that could not lead off into tangents that might implicate other people. Thus we have the case we have today. I've expounded before on my theories regarding Clinton. In brief I think he was chosen as Bush's successor to carry the flag for a European Union led NWO. He talked a good game but when he got in office he started to woo the Chinese, which is what got Nixon into trouble (Bush was behind the scenes then too), in an effort to undermine the NWO ad possibly form an alliance to counter the EU led NWO. Bush is betrayed, as are all the "movers and shakers" therefore they are determined to get him out of office. Many scandals are raised and people killed (though some of the deaths are probably more directly the fault of Clinton than others trying to scare him) but they have little success. They try the Whitewater thing which looks promising but ultimately would point an accusing finger at other more important people so must be dropped, then a little luck comes there way (though it is not really luck since they probably KNEW of his sexual proclivities and were waiting for the opportunity to arrive) with the Paula Jones case and the Lewinsky business which he was forced into lieing (something he is good at anyway and which is a major part of his inherent nature), which then serves as the perfect vehicle to "getting him" while conveniently ignoring all of the other troubling things that could be a problem for other important people (China money, secret trade deals, transfer of tech., etc. . .). A point in favor of this is the recent "leak" from the WHITE HOUSE that the CIA was to blame for tech. transfer to China, precipitating any look at the WH and Clinton, just when such questions were actually beinjg asked for the first time in the mainstream. Guess what, they aren't really talked about much now are they? Sorry for the length. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Heads Up: Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/13/98 9:32:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Reagan!?! I mentioned before about how Reagan derailed half of Garrison's investigation, but good lord, do the words "iran-contra" mean anything to anyone any more? What about "October Surprise"? The rip-off of PROMIS and the death of Danny Casolaro? Even things like Clinton's entanglement in the Mena drugs- and-guns operation trace back to Reagan/Bush/Ollie North. Sorry, Reagan ain't no honorable man, no way. Btw, Dan Moldea has another, more recent book about RFK I think, but I'm a t a loss for the title. Anyone have that? kt Reagan was not honorable but the real culprit for all of the activity during his admin. was George Bush, the Devil incarnate. Reagan must take the responsibility for what was happening on his watch though, and he allowed and wanted much of it to come to pass anyway. Moldea's book on RFK, I can't remember the name of it either, is according to some reviews I read about it, another Sirhan did it himself book. He does track down the security guard and comes to the conclusion that he didn't do it, because he says that he didn't! Brilliant! Why hasn't that worked for all the other people in prison? I haven't read the book though so these comments may not be valid, check it out. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Conspiracy Theories
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 12:59:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe the PoS doesn't exist now except as a red herring.. (maybe). Maybe the Kennedy assassination hasn't been revealed because the one's who could do the revealing are the ones who did it. I'm not saying that this isn't possible, just that we need to work towards verifiability. Always ask yourself.. WWMD (What would Mulder do). There needs to be verifiability before any of this means anything. To think you know something is not sufficient in my eyes. I feel we need something to point at that is valid. You certainly have a point, but the disemination of knowledge is the least of what can be done. When a tidbit falls down to us we should work on it. Sometimes we can't always KNOW the facts, and simply must speculate. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: IT'S WHO SHOT JOHN
-Caveat Lector- I don't know exactly why, but this post was very disturbing to me. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: 60 Minutes Hewitt to Personally Apologize for Airing ...
-Caveat Lector- But they cancelled the story on the US poison gassing of our own people in Vietnam. How is it that they can make any decisions when they are such idiots? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Loop hole?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 6:38:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's a few thousand dead soldiers as long as the liar is sexually pure? Prudy Once again I suppose Clinton's acts of aggression are like the Jihad, they are sacred and any who died in them are going to heaven since all he does is sacrosanct? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] I'm back!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 11:07:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many moons ago I had to bow out from participation in CTRL because of other work chores in conspiracy research, namely finishing my manuscript on the Maury Island case. I am happy to report that I have turned that manuscript in to IllumiNet now and should be able to join the discussion again. I don't know how long this will last, since CTRL seems to have increased in volume of mail and a still have other tasks awaiting. But for now I am happy to renew CTRL acquaintances and add my share to the free-for-all. Kenn Thomas Steamshovel Press Welcome back Kenn!! I will be looking forward to the book on Maury Island UFO case. Is there anything else that you have come across recently that is fodder for discussion here? Is Steamshovel back in production yet? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: IS PRESIDENT CLINTON ABOUT TO ANNOUNCE HIS RESIGN...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/98 6:19:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wouldn't work. As long as the Republicans are able to control Congress and manufacture evidence and charges in any way they wish, they'll find a way to boot Gore just like they did Clinton. They would never approve any one human as a vice president, so we would be stuck with Livingston. He's even worse than Newt. I hope Clinton hangs in forever. He may be a shmuck, but he's not a crooked, vindictive creep like some folks we know. Prudy Translation from Prudy: Clinton is not crooked. He violated no laws. He is not vindictive, and does not retaliate. He is not a creep. Only republicans qualify for these epithets. Gore is not a crook either, if he is removed from office it is because the charges are made up and they have no merit. A while back Newt was the worst thing that could happen to America (according to Prudy) but now Livingston is worse. Hope that makes everyone at ease, in case you had any doubts. shaking head in wonderment Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Question about list Rules
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/8/98 5:54:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm waiting for my answer from the list manager, but I don't think this list is going to attract the best scholars and discussion if you allow an issue to be discussed, and then only allow one position to be defended. My recommendation would be to ban an issue altogether, or allow reasonable discussion of that issue. Jim Condit Jr. It matters not what you think. RoadsEnd (Kris Milligan) IS the list manager and he decides what is discussed or not discussed here. Bottom line, if you don't like it, leave. End of story. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PANORAMIC PHOTO of AREA 51
-Caveat Lector- thanks for the site! Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Question about list Rules
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/7/98 4:27:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let me get this straight. The list directions ban any discussion about whether the TV/Hollywood version of the Holocaust are true and accurate, but the list allows members to assert the disproven contention that Zyklon B was used to gas people en masse during World War II. Has anyone on this list ever heard of the Leuchter report? This is real scientific research, and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the buildings being passed off as gas chambers at Auschwitz and several of the other camps were devoid of traces of any poison gas. (This is not deny that millions were abused and treated unjustly, and killed unjustly, during WWII by Hilter's Nazi regime. I always say that even one person killed unjustly is too many, especially if it is you.) Put for a list claiming to be involved in serious inquiry of history, it seems to me that you either have to ban all discussion of a subject, or to allow rational discussion of that subject from all sides. Would anyone care to further explain this list's position on that point? I'd be less than happy to explain, since this has been brought up ad nauseum. It would be all well and good to say that such things should be discussed freely and let the members decide what to believe, but it is the nature of such people (Holocaust deniers) to overtake the list and jam up all communication on it perverting it to the exclusive discussion of their own twisted views. The Leuchter report has been debunked by others, and only has as much weight as any other piece of evidence. I think there is sufficient evidence to indicate that Zyklon B and other gases were used against the Jews and other undesireables to kill them. The fact even that the so-called gas chambers are not specifically designed for gassing is inconsequential. It is pretty apparent that the Germans were trying to keep things secret, they didn't want to alert anyone that they were committing genocide and mass murder and have even more people after them. I believe that there is enough evidence to indicate that they gassed, shot, used carbon monoxide from running engines, conducted experiments on, used mobile gas chambers on, tortured, worked to death, huge numbers of Jews and others, mostly of eastern European descent, seen as undesireable. NOW, having said that, if you don't like that position go find out what you can from any of the web sites devoted to the topic, or subscribe to one of the many lists that discuss the topic, and come to your own conclusion. The issue is DEAD here and is not to be discussed in the revisionist manner, therefore whether you like it or not is irrelevant, you are welcome to unsubscribe and go onto another list which discusses such things. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Faulted For Not Opening Archives (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/6/98 7:18:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, don't believe all the documents that are posted in a place like this list. Yes, i enjoy the list and some of the folks on it including you. I also appreciate receiving information not otherwise available. But when some of the various sources on this list feed you slander against the pope, "documented" all over the place, be more than a bit wary. For one thing, some members of this list are haters by their nature. They don't really hate the pope or Catholics generally, or Jews, or foreigners. By particularizing their rage, these haters are able to intellectualize their venom and spin fantastic webs of pseudo history to make themselves appear sane. There are some perfectly fine people on this list and there are some ravenous wolves. Take care Jerry Harp Here is my take on this. Some have said that the current Pope, John Paul II was indeed a worker in a plant that produced Zyklon B, the stuff the German's used to kill Jews and other undesireables ( along with other more imaginative means) before becoming a priest. This is an allegation, and I'm unsure as to documentation. Now that said, I would like to point out, that Jerry has a good point. Don't believe everything you read here, some of it is just garbage, even some of what I post will inevitably show itself to be trash (but it won't stop me from posting !!). Try to uncover as much on your own as possible to allow you to come to a decision regarding whether something you have read is true or not. The problem that Jerry has, if I may deduce from his post, is that he just refuses to believe that the Pope could possibly have done such a thing. This is the same thing he cites, but from the opposite direction. Don't automatically disbelieve something on this list without doing a little checking. I know that to some this is one of religious significance, and there are other topics of a similar nature brought up on this list from time to time. Issues such as this or those others often come down to a matter of faith, ie; the Pope is a man of God, therefore he COULDN'T possibly have done such a thing, many will dismiss the idea for that reason. I caution you if you are inclined to do so, you may be cutting off a real avenue of research. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Vatican Promoting Extraterrestrial Contact Stories?
-Caveat Lector- wasn't a similar story shown to be a hoax, not that long ago? Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report
-Caveat Lector- Could this be a move to try and lessen the impact of a full disclosure of the treason of many in the government towards China? I don't think the CIA would be trying to cover up for Clinton, though he is guilty as hell on this issue, but they would try and cover up guilt for some of their bed mates, congressional supporters and the like. They have had limited hangouts many times to cover up for the truth and have taken the blame before. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
