Re: [CTRL] Monty Python Does Iraq
-Caveat Lector- A letter from Terry Jones (of Monty Python fame), published in the London Observer: --- I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I! For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson, who lives a couple of doors own the street. Well, him and Mr Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is. As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know - from very good sources - that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first, he'll pick us off one by one. Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my neighbours. They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W. Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want! And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim fundamentalist suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few Muslim countries that have never threatened us. That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson. Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that totally unacceptable way. Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before bombing Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has weapons of mass destruction - even if no one can find them. I'm certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq. Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've achieved it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists? When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want to eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide bombers, have already eliminated themselves. Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could possibly be a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism. Maybe the only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate all Muslims? It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the street who I don't like and who - quite frankly - look at me in odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all out. My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply using the same logic as the President of the United States. That shuts her up. Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm going to give the whole street two weeks - no, 10 days - to come out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom come. It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing - and, in contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one street. A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] [AIR FORCE TO 'STAND DOWN' ON 9-11...
-Caveat Lector- To add more weight to the peculiarity of this situation, consider the flight capacity of the four hijacked airliners. These routes were extremely popular ones, most of them filled to 100% capacity during weekdays. In fact, oftentimes, fliers were asked if they wanted to give up their seats to another traveler. Yet on 9-11, the four flights in question were uncharacteristically empty. (Remember the two women who were forced to take separate planes, because the flights were full? Each plane thereafter hit a WTC building.) American Airlines 11 - filled to only 39% of capacity American Airlines 77 - filled to only 27% of capacity United Airlines 175 - filled to only 26% of capacity United Airlines 93 - filled to only 16% of capacity In an industry that takes extremely close notice of such matters, why didn't anyone see the red flags that were being waved? Did someone tell them to neglect these glaring inconsistencies to lessen the collateral damage (or the insurance payouts)? A HREF=""www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=""Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: plastic wrap
-Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om ---BeginMessage--- -Caveat Lector- Subject: Plastic wrap As a seventh grade student, Claire Nelson learned that di(ethylhexyl)adepate (DEHA), considered a carcinogen, is found in plastic wrap. She also learned that the FDA had never studied the effect of microwave cooking on plastic-wrapped food. Claire began to wonder: "Can cancer-causing particles seep into food covered with household plastic wrap while it is being microwaved?" Three years later, with encouragement from her high school science teacher, Claire set out to test what the FDA had not. Although she had an idea for studying the effect of microwave radiation on plastic-wrapped food, she did not have the equipment. Eventually, Jon Wilkes at the National Center for Toxicological Research in Jefferson, Arkansas, agreed to help her. The research center, which is affiliated with the FDA, let her use its facilities to perform her experiments, which involved microwaving plastic wrap in virgin olive oil. Claire tested four different plastic wraps and "found not just the carcinogens but also xenoestrogen was migrating [into the oil]" Xenoestrogens are linked to low sperm counts in men and to breast cancer in women. Throughout her junior and senior years, Claire made a couple of trips each week to the research center, which was 25 miles from her home, to work on her experiment. An article in Options reported that "her analysis found that DEHA was migrating into the oil at between 200 parts and 500 parts per million. The FDA standard is 0.05 parts per billion." Her summarized results have been published in science journals. Claire Nelson received the American Chemical Society's top science prize for students during her junior year and fourth place at the Internationa! l Science and Engineering Fair (Fort Worth, Texas) as a senior. "Carcinogens -- At 10,000,000 Times FDA Limits" Options May 2000. Published by People Against Cancer, 515-972-. On Channel 2 (Huntsville, AL) they had a Dr. Edward Fujimoto from Castle Hospital on the program. He is the manager of the Wellness Program at the hospital. He was talking about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat and plastics releases dioxins into
[CTRL] Check out Environmental Working Group || Nuclear Waste Route Atlas
-Caveat Lector- Click here: Environmental Working Group || Nuclear Waste Route Atlas A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12
news bulletin on t.v. - airplane crashed in Rockaways. There were no details. I think this is in N.Y.
Re: [CTRL] New plane crash on 11/12
June - Something is wrong with my time on the P.C. I don't know how to fix it, but all the times on everything I send are way off. I just typed in the news bulletin, as it occured on t.v. I think it was before 9:30 when I sent the message, and it was on the list shortly thereafter. Jo-Ann
[CTRL] Fwd: Why....
Warning, terrible pictures at the end of this article. dear friends,... Please read look at the photos of this e-mail if you care you should forward this e-mail to all the people that you know ___ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. The use of the "Uranium Bombs" against the Iraqi civilians in Southern Iraq during the Gulf War: The following pictures reveal the truth about the barbaric attacks that were done by the United States of America's Armed forces against the Iraqi civilians in Southern Iraq. The United States used what is called "Uranium Bombs" against the unarmed Iraqi Civilians. The Uranium Bombs are exactly small Atomic Bombs!!. The Iraqis did not have nor used any Nuclear Weapons against the US and its Allies. I am not in anyway defending Saddam Hussein and his barbaric regiem. But why did the Civilized United States decide to attack the innocent IRAQI CIVILIANS with Nuclear Weapons??!! "In an act of stark cruelty, the US dominated Sanctions Committee refuses to permit Iraq to import the clean-up equipment that they desperately need to decontaminate their country of the Depleted Uranium ammunition that the US fired at them. Approximately 315 tons of DU dust was left by the use of this ammunition.The Sanctions Committee also refuses to allow the mass importation of anti-cancer treatments, which contain trace amounts of radio-isotopes, on the grounds that these constitute '...nuclear materials..' (Ross B. Mirkarimi)" And why is the Civilized United States until today (10 years after the war) is preventing Iraq from importing the "clean-up equipment" to clean its region from the Nuclear Radiation that is causing thousands of Iraqi kids to be born with its infection as shown below??!! As Salaamu Alaikum The following article and pictures are taken from the following link http://www.answering-christianity.com/iraqi_torture.htm Please note that they areextremely disturbing. "Unborn children of the region [are] being asked to pay the highest price, the integrity of their DNA." - Ross B. Mirkarimi, The Arms Control Research Centre, from his report: The Environmental and Human Health Impacts of the Gulf Region with Special Reference to Iraq. May 1992 I have recently received large numbers of photographs of horrendous birth deformities that are being experienced in Iraq. I have not, quite frankly, ever seen anything like them. I urge you to copy this page / these pictures and circulate them as widely as possible. In an act of stark cruelty, the US dominated Sanctions Committee refuses to permit Iraq to import the clean-up equipment that they desperately need to decontaminate their country of the Depleted Uranium ammunition that the US fired at them. Approximately 315 tons of DU dust was left by the use of this ammunition.The Sanctions Committee also refuses to allow the mass importation of anti-cancer treatments, which contain trace amounts of radio-isotopes, on the grounds that these constitute '...nuclear materials..' The majority of the pictures were supplied to me by a source who prefers to remain anonymous at the current time. I was unable to acquire either original negatives, or prints from negatives. They arrived in the form of colour A4 copies. I scanned them into Photoshop and attempted to clean and sharpen them as best I could. There has not, and I repeat not, been any digital alteration other than the cleaning and sharpening process. No text documentation arrived with the pictures, so I have described them as accurately as I can. It is my understanding that the photographs were taken from 1998 onwards. I would be grateful to anyone who could potentially supply me with further information about these types of deformities; medical terms for them, etc. Additional pictures were taken by Dr. Siegwart Horst-Gunther, President of the International Yellow Cross. Most appeared in his 1996 book "URANIUM PROJECTILES - SEVERELY MAIMED SOLDIERS, DEFORMED BABIES, DYING CHILDREN" (Published by AHRIMAN - Verlag, ISBN: 3-89484-805-7). The book is a documentary record of DU ammunition after-effects, and they were taken between 1993 and 1995. Dr. Gunther also supplied me with additional photographs from his unpublished collection, some of which feature the birth deformities being experienced by Western Gulf war veterans' children. I have asked Dr. Gunther's permission for his pictures to be treated as 'Public Domain' and copyright free. He has agreed and you may reproduce them as you see fit. Both the Pentagon and the British Ministry of Defence officially deny that there is any significant danger from exposure to DU ammunition. And whilst it is conceivable that the US led attacks on Iraq's nuclear power stations could be a contributory factor, most reseachers point to DU as
Re: [CTRL] Why? ......... why
Nessie - This is the strangest thing. I can't get the Why post to open. It keeps saying it is not available now. I sent it to you privately.
Re: [CTRL] UFO Operator's License correct URL?
Try this: http://www.discountbabies.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Missile Defense System and Mr. Buchanan
In a message dated 5/31/00 2:54:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it's decided, eventually, to build a Missile Defense System, in my view, there appears that the following will have to be accomplished first: 1. The election of Patrick J. Buchanan, and Constitutionalists to Congress, 2. The removal of ALL Clintonites and pinkos from the federal burearcy. 3. Certification by PJB's Attorney General that ALL security risks have been removed. 4. These steps should be taken immediately after Mr. Buchanan inauguration. Wonder where this leaves us? From Jane's Foreign Report: CLAIMS that the planned American missile-defence shield - the so-called "Star Wars Jr" or "son of Star Wars" - will not work are supported by exclusive information received by FOREIGN REPORT on the difficulties in tackling Chinese nuclear warheads. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NASA Selects Cloverleaf for chem-trail spraying.
That the name CLOVERLEAF is used by a computerized healthcare company for a product line is not unusual, as trade-names are in short supply...I cannot see how you can make the connection to chem-trail spraying. If we were to assume that a trade-name has a hidden meaning, then we should avoid traffic interchanges, Ireland, and dairy products. (Traffic cloverleafs, four-leaf clovers, Cloverleaf milk) I think we're stretching here, guys and gals. Maybe the chemtrail spraying is really going on, but there are possible other explanations: The extra plumbing equipment could be sanitizing the waste products of the planes' septic system, or maybe the moisture buildup (from hundreds of people exhaling water vapor) in the cabin is being expelled, or maybe this is a cloud-seeding operation for weather control, to offset the coming drought. If I recall correctly, there was some concern that the contrails of jet aircraft could be altering natural cloud formation which were thought to have long-term climatological effects on US weather. Haven't heard too much about this lately, but maybe our leaders in DC have been working quiietly to counteract such effects. Who knows? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [Spooks] FBI probes Israeli wiretapping at White House
INSIGHT MAGAZINE 5/5/00 **EXCLUSIVE** FBI Probes Espionage at Clinton White House A foreign spy service appears to have penetrated secret communications in the Clinton administration, which has discounted security and intelligence threats. By J. Michael Waller and Paul M. Rodriguez The FBI is probing an explosive foreign-espionage operation that could dwarf the other spy scandals plaguing the U.S. government. Insight has learned that FBI counterintelligence is tracking a daring operation to spy on high-level U.S. officials by hacking into supposedly secure telephone networks. The espionage was facilitated, federal officials say, by lax telephone-security procedures at the White House, State Department and other high-level government offices and by a Justice Department unwillingness to seek an indictment against a suspect. The espionage operation may have serious ramifications because the FBI has identified Israel as the culprit. It risks undermining U.S. public support for the Jewish state at a time Israel is seeking billions of tax dollars for the return of land to Syria. It certainly will add to perceptions that the Clinton-Gore administration is not serious about national security. Most important, it could further erode international confidence in the ability of the United States to keep secrets and effectively lead as the world^Òs only superpower. More than two dozen U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, law-enforcement and other officials have told Insight that the FBI believes Israel has intercepted telephone and modem communications on some of the most sensitive lines of the U.S. government on an ongoing basis. The worst penetrations are believed to be in the State Department. But others say the supposedly secure telephone systems in the White House, Defense Department and Justice Department may have been compromised as well. The problem for FBI agents in the famed Division 5, however, isn^Òt just what they have uncovered, which is substantial, but what they don^Òt yet know, according to Insight^Òs sources interviewed during a year-long investigation by the magazine. Of special concern is how to confirm and deal with the potentially sweeping espionage penetration of key U.S. government telecommunications systems allowing foreign eavesdropping on calls to and from the White House, the National Security Council, or NSC, the Pentagon and the State Department. The directors of the FBI and the CIA have been kept informed of the ongoing counterintelligence operation, as have the president and top officials at the departments of Defense, State and Justice and the NSC. A ^Óheads up^Ô has been given to the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, but no government official would speak for the record. ^ÓIt^Òs a huge security nightmare,^Ô says a senior U.S. official familiar with the super-secret counterintelligence operation. ^ÓThe implications are severe,^Ô confirms a second with direct knowledge. ^ÓWe^Òre not even sure we know the extent of it,^Ô says a third high-ranking intelligence official. ^ÓAll I can tell you is that we think we know how it was done,^Ô this third intelligence executive tells Insight. ^ÓThat alone is serious enough, but it^Òs the unknown that has such deep consequences. A senior government official who would go no further than to admit awareness of the FBI probe, says: ^ÓIt is a politically sensitive matter. I can^Òt comment on it beyond telling you that anything involving Israel on this particular matter is off-limits. It^Òs that hot. It is very hot indeed. For nearly a year, FBI agents had been tracking an Israeli businessman working for a local phone company. The man^Òs wife is alleged to be a Mossad officer under diplomatic cover at the Israeli Embassy in Washington. Mossad ^× the Israeli intelligence service ^× is known to station husband-and-wife teams abroad, but it was not known whether the husband is a full-fledged officer, an agent or something else. When federal agents made a search of his work area they found a list of the FBI^Òs most sensitive telephone numbers, including the Bureau^Òs ^Óblack^Ô lines used for wiretapping. Some of the listed numbers were lines that FBI counterintelligence used to keep track of the suspected Israeli spy operation. The hunted were tracking the hunters. ^ÓIt was a shock,^Ô says an intelligence professional familiar with the FBI phone list. ^ÓIt called into question the entire operation. We had been compromised. But for how long? This discovery by Division 5 should have come as no surprise, given what its agents had been tracking for many months. But the FBI discovered enough information to make it believe that, somehow, the highest levels of the State Department were compromised, as well as the White House and the NSC. According to Insight^Òs sources with direct knowledge, other secure government telephone systems and/or phones to which government officials
Re: [CTRL] Donato: 'They Never Knocked'
In a message dated 5/2/00 1:30:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "They never knocked," said Donato Dalrymple, the man who scooped Elian Gonzalez from the sea last year. "They never announced and then waited for 20 seconds." Nor did they present a warrant. Well, the story is wrong coming right out of the box. Donato was driving the boat, he now admits, as his cousin has said all along. (The cousin says a lot of really bad things about Donato, too, but that's irrelevant) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] psychodrama
In my more paranoid, cynical moments I wonder if perhaps some of the more disruptive people who appear on this list are not people at all, but literary creations, characters in a neo-COINTELPRO, psychodrama psy-op. Absolutely !! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Elian
In a message dated 4/30/00 8:21:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But what WAS obvious was that the room couldn't have been much larger than perhaps 9 x 12, and that Elian's bed, pushed up against the far wall, had to have been abutting Marisleysis' bed, perhaps maybe a few inches separating the two. I dunno if that's really all that small. The multi-millionaire who "married" the Congers lady on TV was said to have a 1200 sq ft home (with a busted toilet or bathtub sitting in the backyard). If we put two and two together, it would appear that comparatively the Miami family lived in very upper class/income housing! :-) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kendall Coffey, Elian's Miami Family's Lawyer...
In a message dated 4/30/00 8:38:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What happened starting when she was 17 to cause so much stress in her life that she required hospitalization? It might be interesting for someone to interview her classmates, especially highschool classmates, to find out what sort of girl she was back then, and to find out what happened to her at 17... I'm not sure this is a proper area for exploration. The boy is with his father and likely to remain with him. Any attempt to lay open private lives is rather onerous. To me it suggests revenge. Unless she gains custody...and even then, I assume the court would look into her qualifications but keep any findings private. I hope we're not at the stage where we have to rent a football stadium and bring in Jerry Springer to "mediate" the issues...though I have this sinking feeling we're headed that way. I think the Miami family is keeping quiet because there are media deals in the works...books, movies, music, public appearances, lectures ( it might be interesting see her give a lecture on this at Miami International University!!), and truthfully they would hurt their cause at this time by being strident and vocal. Their "cause" may have changed from Elian to $$, certainly if the lawyers ever expect to get anything out of this. (Elian survived the sharks in the Gulf, but the land-based ones are gonna get a big bite out the event somehow) I think what we have is an otherwise unimportant incident blown into massive proportions by (a) the Castro hating politicos (b) the press (don't get me started!) and (c) the lawyers. In a way the family is as much a victim as the public at large; I think they were egged on into a lot of this by the trio of influences mentioned, and didn't have the ability to discern it might backfire, or that a world exists outside Little Havana, which doesn't give rat's ass about much of what's going on, except that the father is the best person to deal with his son. Of course, this puts the Cuban-Americans' fight way out of the picture, and they need to platform to argue their agenda. (They may have legit complaints, but I want to be sure that the people pushing this are legit Americans or landed immigrants, and not illegals the INS didn't happen to catch. If they're Americans, they're "one of us" and deserve to be heardthrow the rest of 'em back) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who wrote this?
In a message dated 4/30/00 1:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Japan was provoked and prodded into the attack on Pearl Harbor. A few historical notes. 1. At least 6 months prior to Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Japan has no domestic oil. Denial of a vital strategic resource is an act of war. We went to war against Iraq on just the possibility that arab oil would be cut off...it never was.) 2. Several months prior to Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. This vital waterway was supposed to be guaranteed open for the use of all nations. 3. The final straw was when Roosevelt delivered an ultimatum demanding that the Japanese get their military forces out of Manchuria. Roosevelt had campaigned for his third term as the "peace candidate". He said: "I am not about to send your sons to fight and die in another european war." Public opinion was very strongly against the U.S. entering the war. Roosevelt's problem was how to turn this around? How could he not only change the peoples minds, but actually get large numbers of Americans to actually DEMAND WAR? PEARL HARBOR!THE DAY OF INFAMY! The U.S. had broken the Japanese Imperial Code around a year before Pearl Harbor. Roosevelt and his inner circle not only knew the Japanese fleet was coming.THEY PLANNED IT THAT WAY! Regards to All Nakano I do believe that Roosevelt wanted us to get involved in Europe (to help England), but I'm not sure he would have wanted a Pacific War since we were strained in Europe. But wouldn't a declaration of war rather than an overtly aggressive act (the raid) have gotten the attention of Roosevelt? BTW, it was brilliant strategic move on the part of the Japanese. We were caught with our pants down. If we had the same thing to Tokyo, our side would be perceived as heroes ( I say this with some hesitation as many brave men died, but that is the nature of war). I don't disagree about your listing of provocative events, but question whether they were done to get the result you suggest. As one example, let me propose we cut off oil to Japan because it was needed on other battlefronts. But the US was by far not the only source of oil...as I recall we were but a small exporter compared to other countries. I don't know about the reasoning behind the Panama Canal closing, and would suggest you might have a point. Nevertheless Germany closed the Suez Canal to allsuggesting to me that these closings of shortcuts might have slowed the war down a bit to permit a bit of perspective taking. I have no knowledge of the Manchuria demands. But what was Japan doing in Manchuria. Was this an act of war on Japan's part? Please do not take my questions as necessarily a disagreement with your thesis; I just don't know enough about all this to respond properly, in depth. But two of your three "reasons" seem a little thin to me. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who wrote this?
In a message dated 4/30/00 1:32:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. At least 6 months prior to Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt halted U.S. oil exports to Japan. (Japan has no domestic oil. Denial of a vital strategic resource is an act of war. We went to war against Iraq on just the possibility that arab oil would be cut off...it never was.) 2. Several months prior to Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt closed the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping. This vital waterway was supposed to be guaranteed open for the use of all nations. Hello again... my earlier answers were prepared in too much haste. 1) you say thatthe US attacked Iraq to protect Arab oil...but Iraq had invaded Kuwait in a border dispute (similar to China's claim on Taiwan these days). Kuwait was once part of Iraq. Had not Iraq invaded Kuwait cutting off its oil, and had not the Arab oil fields been next in line, I don't think the military response would have been as great. There is of course the possibility that we went into war to use up military supplies to keep the military-industrial complex going, or to test new technologies, but we may never know. 2.In times of war, strategically important thoroughfares are protected. I know that there was great fear a ship might be blown up in the canal and block it for military use. Were ONLY the Japanese blocked from using it? And even if it was them, was there are fear that they would send supplies to Germany? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Elian
In a message dated 4/28/00 11:02:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First of all, they must have been expecting something, in spite of the ongoing negotiations. And secondly, Prudy, in her press conference, Maryelsis (sp?) did show that the intruding agents had broken Elian's bed, which did seem to be a youth bed with an added automotive motif. The floor diagrams of the house seem to indicate that there was only one bed in each of the bedrooms. Those floor diagrams were in either Time or Newsweek (I threw them both out) but I found it strange when I first saw it, that a six year old was apparently sharing a bed with a 21-year old girl. I don't think there's a sexual connection there, but I do wonder if the two were mutually dependent...Elian might have been having nightmares, etc, and the cousin developing maternal/protective feelings for the child. I would be more concerned about the fisherman who seems even stranger in behavior than Marysleises (sp?) I'm still pissed that the IRS is after me to pay more taxes, but these people, who received over $200,000 in cash, gifts, and services, go off scott-free from paying $60,000 in taxes because they are protected by a large voting bloc in south Florida. And make no mistake, every politician down there is afraid of the Cuban vote (one-third of the population, and probably critical in any election outcome since they seem to vote as a block). Having lived down there, I feel (but could never prove) that most Miami Cubans are afraid to speak out against the supposed Cuban "leaders" there. Miami has turned into as big a crime mess as any city in the US...there's the Russian mob now ensconced in great numbers, and a lot of Colombians too. Drugs are pretty widely available, and gang warfare is not uncommon. Yes, it's become an interesting metropolis, but the underbelly is sure ugly. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Elian's Rescuer Enjoys the Spotlight
In a message dated 4/27/00 11:08:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Okay, now for my comments... Oh let it rest. Here's a guy from Poughkeepsie, NY who lives in FL and was at the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time and is getting his 15million minutes of fame. The "fame" is created by the media (or is it the Media?). I wish we could all stand back a minute and look at the frenzy the the media(Media) has fostered on us. 98% of everything that passes for news(News?) on TV/radio/etc is hype designed to get ratings so they can sell us products. They don't even care if they "sell" the product, they just want their names in front of people over and over (the Blimpie commercial is a parody of this). And we, being the lemmings that we are, will buy anything that's got a familiar name. Why else would companies pay millions to have just their name on little signs on the outfield fences at baseball games? We're being programmed to buy,buy,buy irrationally just to keep the economic juggernaut moving. We worship consumerism. People no longer go on vacation to relax...they go to buy. Even the Japanese come in on 747s to shop at the biggest mall of all in Minneapolis. Sorry, I digress. We've been had by the media, over and over. The cult of personality prevails. There's more gossip in the papers than news...or is it news too? Well the Elian affair is almost a Soap Opera. Who gives a rat's ass? Well, it could be the whole thing comes from universal suffrage! Women, as we've learned from sociology, are concerned about relationships, and that's what they discuss between themselves. (And try to discuss with their mates! :-) ) They also spend a lot of money. Ergo, the media delivers them to advertisers by giving them soap operas, real and imagined. Was it not logical that politicians, seeking the female vote, would entwine themselves in the "soap operas" of life to get exposure? That exposure leading to votes? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doc To Marisleysis-SEEK HELP!
In a message dated 4/27/00 9:54:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that the Canadians have to be bribed not to mine at the Yellowstone border. Oh, we lost Montana already? I must have missed it on the news A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Brit radio licenses sold for $33 Billion!
the BBC is reporting: The £22.47bn windfall is equivalent to £400 per person in the UK. Now this includes every living person, rich or poor, young or old. About $600 each in dollars. Now, how much money can these guys make, when there are existing competitors? Am I missing something here? add to this cost, the costs of constructing the systems, and the cost of customer acquisition. Rates for PCS service are down to 5 cents a minute in some US markets. How much can they make off us? Can the carriers ever repay the debt? Or do we have another world-wide Savings and Loan scandal/debacle? If so, the governments bail out (our $) will be needed to prevent a meltdown. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Doc To Marisleysis and Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government
The Miami "family" will really hit the roof when their INS "visit" is followed by an IRS "visit". According to an account I read, they've received about $200,000 in cash doantions, gifts, and free services. Meaning taxes due of about $60,000. Wanna bet they never pay? If that were me, the IRS would have me in jail. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Alien Elian
In a message dated 4/26/00 11:29:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/25/2000 8:32:08 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A final discrepancy...why is the INS agent in the infamous photo wearing green fatigues, while the videos we see of the INS agents entering and leaving the house during the raid only show agents all in black? Why is this agent wearing a different uniform than his comrades? There's another strange thing here, but when I put my children to bed, they first had a bath, then put on pajamas and were tucked in. A couch does for sleeping, but when I think of that freight car load of toys that were all over that place, I would think someone might have sprung for a youth bed. I was looking at a picture of a child wearing normal street clothing and even (if I recall correctly) shoes. That's an odd way to put a child to bed. Prudy I suspect they were ready to move him out after Reno told them time was up. CNN reports they had thrown a sofa against the front door. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
In a message dated 4/24/00 8:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps we ought to stop trading with everybody, but IF we're going to trade with other communist regimes, we shouldn't exclude Cuba simply because the rabble in S.Florida tell us to. If you want to stop all international trade, OK...that's a different matter with it's own set of problems (and benefits). Cuban music and culture are forbidden in S. Florida, by law. No public performances by groups from Communist Cuba...I don't know if this is just Dade county or state-wide. but is un-American as hell. More interesting as a topic is the issue of NO foreign trade. we PROBABLY could be self-reliant, with oil from Alaska, etc. I visited Russia after the fall of Communism and was amazed on two levels: things were simultaneously bad and goo. People were making peanuts ($25 a month in Rubles) but I once had a talk with our translator...she made about $30 per month, but paid $1.25 per month for her heated apartment, a buck for a phone, etc etc. Payphones calls in Moscow were 2 kopeks then...about 1/10th of a cent. The buses and subways were maybe 10 kopeks. And within Russia you could fly $6000 miles from Moscow to Siberia for $45. As a tourist I paid $210 for the same flight. Only after opening the borders did "real world" econmic realities set in, and severely damaged the ability of pensioners to survive (the govt never raised pensions to match skyrocketing inflation). The point of all this is that I have come to believe that a closed economic system can set whatever prices it wants on the goods it produces, and the [people will survive. But once the gates have been opened to foreign trade, level has to meet world realities. OK, where am I headed with this? It follows that despite improvements in productivity, EVENTUALLY the countries with the largest working populations (and this means largest markets, too) will prevail. Chinas 1.5 Billion and Indias 1.0 Billion will overrun us someday, using our foreign trade deficits to accomplish this. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Child-Abuse, Clinton Style
In a message dated 4/24/00 9:08:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope you're not believing the #$% polls the Big Networks are putting out about 2 out of 3 people in America supporting the Clinton/Reno/Castro commando raid against the Miami family. What #$$% -- and how come so FEW of the long time conspiracy sleuths on this list seem to be upset by such OVERT lies by the Ruling Elite? As I said, Party on, Dudes! Jim Condit Jr. Perhaps you live your life in a "Wayne's World" fantasy, but the rest of us don't No, we don't rely on the media...we talk to the people we know, coworkers, etc... and by and large, everyone supports Elian being returned to his father -- a FACT that sticks in your craw. The only equivocation one hears from the Jane and John Does in the street is that perhaps the MANNER in which Elian was taken was flawed, but even then most people admit that the Miami relatives were at fault, and had created a situation where no other course of action was possible. Two members of the Miami family were criminals, and had involvement with weapons. Had Reno allowed her people to go in unarmed, she would have derelict in her duties. The severity of the methods was brought on by the family itself. I concur...in discussions around town I have yet to find a single person who thought the kid should stay with the family (about 30 people) (of course the results might be different in a Latin area) The family, I think, was trying an "adoption by press" process since there is NO way they could legally adopt this kid, even if the real father was dead too. I say no legal process, because any court that had the kid's real interests at heart would have yanked him out of there real fast. But, there was a shot of winning the public opinion. It's sad that so many people are using the Press and manipulating it to their own ends. It may have backfired here. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Betr.: [CTRL] Elian Gun Control
In a message dated 4/24/00 2:52:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That Means the Photos were Taken in Cuba, as there is A Whorehouse Next to "Juan's House". A Regular "Mr. Juan's Neighborhood". Hey, the world is not perfect. Whores in Disneyland? Ever walk around Miami Beach at night? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Fw: PLESE READ!///probable FRAUD
I called the 202 phone number at the bottom of the letter. An answering machine says it's a FRAUD. Don't t6ake my word for this, call it yourself A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Clinton needs to defect
Let Elian Gonzales go back to his father. BUT let's persuade Clinton to defect to China A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] ** A very large iceberg has broken off of the Ross Ice Shelf ** (a...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Great! They're short of freshwater in many countries. Just tow it there. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freemasonry's Occult, Evil Empire Exposed
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- To answer your question: " definitely some crazy stuff going on with the Vatican and the position of the Pope. Specially when you look at the whole situation on how the current Pope obtained the position... Anyone have any more info on this? It was a crazy deal.Jamie " There is an excellent book in paperback - "In God's Name" an investigation into the murder of Pope John Paul I, written by David A. Yallop. It explains in detail, with pictures, and documents the "crazy stuff going on with the Vatican." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent'
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 00-01-23 18:33:14 EST, you write: But just WHO is getting these blood tests? Not regular Jane and John Schmoes... not happily married couples. These are blood tests being conducted when there is already a problem, or suspected problem, in the relationship. The 10% illegitimacy rate was from a test done on all babies born in a particular hospitala pure blind test, except to the degree the economic/social status of the people going to that hospital might affect relationships. As I recall it was done 10 or so years ago, and included troubled and non-troubled relationships. The study is, I believe, cited in the book "THE SPERM WARS" which looks at the male drive to father children from a supposedly scientific point of view. One interesting theory cited is that the shape of the penis is designed (through thrusting) to pull out the sperm of a previous "donor" before depositing the new. Also, to address some of your other points: it has been shown that so-called trophy wives are not the cause of infidelity in MOST cases. Perhaps you've got an ax to grind here. But even so, men are drawn to women who 1) are fertile and 2) attractive. Fertility is mostly a function of age; many wives go through menopause in their late thirties. Men are ALSO strongly drawn to warm women with good personalities. And I suspect that in these modern times of economic abundance, that this is probably the dominant determinant...we live longer lives, and survival of the species is not important on an individual level. On a purely biological basis, this may be bad for humanity as a whole. What society (men in particular) deems attractive is somewhat cultural (big breasted women are in favor/out of favor/in favor etc.) Did you know the most common form of plastic surgery in Brazil is breast reduction? Purely a regional/cultural phenomenon. G. B. Shaw wrote in "Man and Superman" that men and women chose each other as mates to produce a better offspring even though they don't know they're doing this. In history, fathers have killed offspring they believed to be biologically not theirs. Since the primal drive is to spread one's DNA, Perhaps for men. Women look for more in a relationship than to spread DNA. Women look for stability (financial mostly) in their relationships because it provides the best chance for the child to grow up and then pass on its DNA. But then again, the woman is KNOWN to be the mother. The Jewish religion, I'm told only recognizes MATERNITY in determing family lineage and "Jewishness", because it is the only sure way. a man would not want to expend economic and emotional resources to bring up a child not his. Explain that to all the stepfathers and adoptive fathers in the world. Nothing in life is simple. Parenting is very emotional, but there is an underlying "drive" to pass on the DNA . Since adoption requires the consent of both adoptive parents, I suspect the man is also a nurturer. Or is the couple showing off its fecundity and fertility to the outside world, to gain society's approval? Probably a little bit of both. Human sexuality and its place in modern society is a fascinating field. I suggest you read up on it more, to understand the bigger picture. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TIMES: One in seven fathers 'not the real parent'
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 01/23/2000 9:09:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oliver Curry, the principal researcher, said long working hours and commuting by fathers could contribute to uncertainty about whether children have been fathered by the man who is bringing them up. Pretty sexist. Men aren't the only ones working long hours and commutingmothers do, too... The team from the LSE is calling for investigations to be set up by the government's new National Family and Parenting Institute. Yes, let's look for any excuse to get Big Brother more involved in citizens' lives... They believe that mistrust over paternity may be an overlooked factor in family breakdown. Women are driven by primitive urges to seek the optimum genes for their children, which can lead to them sleeping with a "high social-status Casanova" as well as their regular partner during the fertile period around ovulation, researchers claim. Some more sexist bullshit. More men sleep around, especially with 'trophy' runway model types, than most women do... And women who DO 'sleep around' are usually looking for any number of things, but getting pregnant is NOT one of them... It's obvious that all these studies were conducted by men. June Perhap the interpretations are not PC (sexist bullshit), but the facts can't be wrong can they? Just a simple DNA/Blood type match as far as I can tell. The study is consistent with earlier work that found a 10% impossible blood-type match between newborns and their supposed fathers. In history, fathers have killed offspring they believed to be biologically not theirs. Since the primal drive is to spread one's DNA, a man would not want to expend economic and emotional resources to bring up a child not his. This was more critical in times when resources were scarce, but the biiological drive instilled in men still exists, I believe. Tough on the kids though, since it ain't their fault. Reminds me of of the old adage about how...There are no illegitimate children, only illegitimate parents. I feel that if a man isn't the biofather, he should not be unwillingly be required to support a child. If it were to happen to me, I'd take my real kids overseas and abandon the wife to fend for herself---maybe to set up house with the "real" father. This was not part of the marriage contract, and laws written to protect women and children are patently unfair in this regard. If 50% of all marriages end in divorce, and 10% of kids are illegitimate, this would suggest that with a 100% discovey rate, 25% of all divorces might be caused by this. Looks like society's little dirty secret. For once, scientific progress (DNA matching) on a mandatory basis could actually serve to solidify marriages and provide a better emotional climate for children if other husbands felt the same way I do. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
