Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers
-Caveat Lector- I agree with Andrew, the CTRL is rapidly becoming a discussion page for Clinton, and what he did for breakfast etc. Lets keep CTRL about Conspiracies, and not for naysaying Clinton. -Original Message- From: Andrew Hennessey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 January 1999 20:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers -Caveat Lector- re NSA using religions for mass control here was I talking about exactly these issues with the Urantian Cult and some person more interested in a 250 emails full of Clinton garbage gave me a hard time and said that I was talking about a GAME and not paying due reverence to the hundreds of postings about Clintons half-witted doings. Next time you accuse me of Gaming - I may tell you about MY persecution by the UK Security Service - that'll be some serious shit for you to get huffy about Andrew Hennessey Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == == Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ == == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA Papers
"J. Maynard Gelinas" wrote: Hi, I've been busy and just this evening found time to read the original posted by Wes. After doing so I have a few comments I'd like to make. I had meant to re-read the original articles before commenting, but I will respond to your comments. For one thing I strongly agree with Jim Drapoou when he wrote: OK, you say you know enough to demand disclosure. Now ask yourself, 1.) What Exactly do I know ? 2.) What Prima Facia evidence do I have to support the allegations, that would hold up under intense scrutiny ? 3.) What do I physically have to Prove the allegations ? [...] If Jim's article was aimed *only* at the "NSA" document, then I agree. To me it read as a wider sort of "warning," much of which I agree with but some of which I thought was incomplete, as I addressed in an earlier article. The document was *poorly* written. Disjointed sentences combined with redundant narrative containing a glossary in the middle of the document; he never wrote this to get published. For example, The title is presented twice, the Berkeley student hostage/suicide was presented twice, and he suggests many famous people who have attempted to gain public attention to the NSA program, yet he provides no direct testimony by those (who have lived) which could confirm as such other than by oblique references in their art. He even claims that some, even Curt Cobain, have died trying to expose the program. How do we ask the dead? Perhaps hastily written, but generally I agree. The numbering style, with very short paragraphs, is not like most published journals. Some military writing tends toward that style. Why did so many people here respond with affirmation to this? I don't see people wondering why the NSA might hire someone with such a lack of written skills, nor do I hear many suggesting this might be further disinformation. A little skepticism might be of some value right now. First, there is the instant credibility given by coming anonymously through the list owner. This is probably not the major reason people responded with affirmation, but a real one. To me it was never clear what the purported background of the document was. The author apparently never claimed to have worked for the NSA, according to the "interview" article. I think the main reason for the reactions is that while the article has some serious flaws, it does manage to touch on some realities of how the "controllers" (for lack of a better term) operate. In this case I speak from my personal experience, and I suspect that others with personal experience agree to some extent. These things are not easy to describe well, and so to see even a few aspects described well is attention-getting. I think you address similar issues in your following paragraphs. If the article is information it is interesting, though incomplete. It might make a practical difference in a victim's life if he or she were to now look out for tricks of this sort. If it is disinformation it is still interesting, though questions arise as to what is being left out and why, and what the magician's other hand might be up to. Still, I'm struck by some the of specific *content* of these allegations. For example, the anonymous poster states that they use 'thought labels' which are usually tactile or auditory hallucinations combined with either a positive or negative reinforcement to generate a conditioned response, or combined with a verbal hypnotic suggestion. This is *very* much like a Milton H. Ericson or NLP defined 'anchoring' technique. Anchoring, as a technique used by 'therapists,' usually to blunt a horrible feeling or uncontrollable phobic response associalted to some arbitrary stimulous. The 'therapist' generally uses some tactile (or secondary modality) experience to confuse and *link* one emotional response to a (usually remembered) situation to the first sensation. At this point if the therapist repeats the first stimulus (presumably) the patient will reexperience the secondary emotional response (whatever is bothering them). Then, they will find some other emotional experience, often completely unrelated, which made them feel at opposite ends (usually good) and link that to *another* secondary stimulus. For example, one could use a touch to the left knee when the patient remembers something horrible, and a touch to the right knee as they rediscover good memories of a vacation. Then, a little later after the conversation has shifted and the patient forgets about creating the original conditioned responses, the 'therapist' usually says or does something out of the ordinary to confuse the patient while they press both 'anchors' conditioned to opposite emotional states. The hope is that this will cancel out whatever horrible feeling is associated with whatever memory originally bothered the patient. The use of Christian and religious
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers
I've received private mail questioning X's focus on NSA's use of Christianity for "accelerated resocialization" (brainwashing). I asked X if other religions couldn't also be used by the NSA and he replied that they indeed are, as appropriate in various cultures. It would seem to me, though, that Christianity lends itself particularly well because of its emphasis on punishment (I'm not an expert on religion, so correct me if I'm wrong here). Also, as X states: "The NSA prefers Christian chuches because the doctrines allow 'God or Jesus to speak directly to the subject' and the negative reinforcement can be attributed with Satan and the positive rewards can be considered to be blessings from God thereby masking the NSA's technology and processes." Might the same apply to Judaism and Muslim faiths (I'm not familiar with their practices)? Let me be clear here that I am not addressing the validity of specific religious, but only their effectiveness for behavior modification and accelerated resocialization. I am also not attacking specific religions, only pointing out their possible use by unsrupulous manipulators, which would appear to me to include many priests and ministers who themselves also use such brainwashing techniques for their own purposes (power, money, sex, future reward in heaven, etc.) Another effective tool for these purposes appears to be the use of new-age processes, such as meditation (hypnosis) combined with subliminals for inducing delusions of alien visitations, out-of-the-body travel, mass hallucinations of UFOs (as in Greer's UFO contact training), channeled entities, etc. X agreed with that. The Art Bell show and similar talk shows would therefore play a significant (although perhaps unwitting) role in reinforcing these delusions. Behaviorly-modified guests on these shows may be intentionally used by the NSA to convey certain mission-related messages, increase paranoia (as in Dames, Ghostwolf, Scallion, etc.) in the targeted populations, and further accelerate substitution of magical (superstitious) thinking (such as "the quickening," psychic predictions, and remote viewing) for rational thought processes while building up a large, controllable cadre of millions of mind-controlled subjects for future use. In some cases, the guests' connections with intel agencies are blatantly overt, as in the case of Major Ed Dames, and one can suspect more intentional manipulation to achieve psyop strategies, enhanced by their intel-based inside track on planned future actions by U.S. or foreign entities. ** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], list moderator
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [MC] NSA papers[2]
I asked X for clarification on some of his statements. Here are his answers. Q: What about situations away from structures and cars? MC victims report hearing voices everywhere, including outside of cities. Could there be a hybrid system employing microwaves or satellites using narrow-beam activation signals and implanted transceivers [transmitter-receivers] receiving transmitted audio for such situations? A: The transceivers have been installed in most remote places where possible with considerations given to climatic conditions and stable bases for installation. Transceivers are also installed in the shallow waters along coasts especially along North and South America to detect spy infiltration (during Cold War in North America) and for War against drugs, currently North, Central and South American Continents). Remember that sound travels under water at about 7x the speed of airborn delivery and therefore provides a better environment. The undersea transceivers are supposed to be much larger then the land based set. Also, effects from posthypnotic triggered suggestions can be experienced by people outside of real-time deliveries. "Most" of the daily misperception experiences of victims are posthypnotically triggered. This is obvious because the NSA does not have the manpower to watch all subjects in the program each minute and therefore they script posthypnotic suggestions that occupy the persons thoughts, that are triggered into action when the subject sees a specific thing, hears a specific thing, or thinks of a specific thing. This is similar to an approach that a hypnotherapist might formulate "you will feel anxiety when you smoke think of smoking a cigarette that will go away immediately when you consciously decide that you will not pick the cigarette up". Implanted transceivers were used in subjects clothing and possessions by the NSA many years ago mainly for tracking subjects through areas not densely occupied by transceivers. Law enforcement and lesser intelligence agencies only use these techniques today and these agencies do not have access to the NSA's subliminal delivery system . . . yet. Q: Since as per SOP [standard operating procedure], you were shown things on a compartmented, need-to-know basis, how can you be sure there are not other mind-control technologies in use in NSA with other types of targets? A: Technology and research does not end with one great success . . . . But I think that you will find that 99% of all MC victims will be experiencing NSA technology. With my disclosure the NSA will start a massive disinformation campaign and you will start to see many perceptual patterns outside the realm of my original paper that focused on only one small application of the three major categories disclosed under Section 3: Applications). In the final analysis, you will probably recognize that their intelligence system combined with their subliminal delivery system will explain 99 % of the reported MC victim symptoms. Q: Regarding devices planted during construction: for older buildings, that would have to be done by black-bag [covert] entry, right? A: Correct. Remember that the NSA has the ability to survey the surrounding buildings and indigent personnel so they can pick their time without possibility of detection. If there is someone setting up a video recording device, either the installation activity or the RF/EMI device emission can be detected and the NSA transceiver installation postponed. In addition, the NSA already has a list of classified personnel that knows ops, hostiles, and others that are in the resocialization process that would be motivated to capture NSA field processes. [See Enemy of the State movie for examples of this procedure. - WT] The NSA routinely accesses personal computers that are not "Tempest" protected through a specialty type of transceiver that can also detect and read the output of law enforcement agencies surveillance equipment and detect other basic types of recording equipment. [See http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html for Van Eck remote computer monitoring techniques and ways to "harden" your PC to avoid detection, although these unclassified countermeasures may not be effective against NSA transceivers. - WT] Q: If there are that many monitoring/speaker devices in buildings, one would expect some of them to have been found. I haven't heard such reports, although I can understand why not. One of my list posters privately told me he's found a number of burst transmitters in consumer electronics devices such as VCRs and computers, so I image that's another technique used, right? A: The average person would not recognize the current transceivers because of the scaling [advanced technology - WT] factor. If the head of one were found, special techniques would have to be used to remove it from the substrate it was installed in without fracturing and destroying the transceiver.
