Re: [CTRL] Reply to Ynr Chyldz Wyld and proof
William Shannon wrote: ...extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Yet, when faced with an extraordinary claim, the usual mind demands a simple proof. "OK, then, lend me your wand." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to Ynr Chyldz Wyld and proof
From: "Birds" [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are some things that cannot be documented. How can you say that there has to be proof??? I have never once used the word 'proof' in any of my postings on this subject. You also said that in your list before, there had to be proof. No, what I wrote is that anyone presenting extraordinary allegations needs to also present evidence and documentation (not 'proof') if they wish to convince beyond a reasonable doubt those they wish to convince. The world does not revolve around evidence. Never has. Never will. So you are saying the world should revolve around undocumented allegations and unsubstantiated rumor? What an awful world that would be. No, the world YOU argue for would be the more awful. Your world would have an accused condemned solely on accusation, with no evidence or documentation to substantiate the allegation. Ever read "The Crucible"? I think this group may think of dissolving that proof has to be shown and that when someone prints something and either the person can take it or reject it and not say anything if they don't agree. Why do you demand that we keep silent if we disagree? If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I don't know much about these groups, Obviously. but I don't see it as a room for political talk and in that arena anything goes. Oh, so now YOU are defining what this list is all about? Have you ever read the addendum that is attached to every post? I doubt it, so here it is: CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! Doesn't say anything about being a support group for claimants of victimization of childhood abuse. What YOU are arguing for is soap-boxing. The addendum continues thusly: These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. So the very definition of this list tells us, the listmembers, to be wary of what we read. Do you even understand what 'caveat lector' means? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reply to Ynr Chyldz Wyld and proof
In a message dated 8/22/00 6:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are some things that cannot be documented. How can you say that there has to be proof??? I have never once used the word 'proof' in any of my postings on this subject. I'll say it...extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Reply to Ynr Chyldz Wyld and proof
There are some things that cannot be documented. How can you say that there has to be proof??? You also said that in your list before, there had to be proof. One can just print an ariticle too. The world does not revolve around evidence. Never has. Never will. What an awful world that would be. I think this group may think of dissolving that proof has to be shown and that when someone prints something and either the person can take it or reject it and not say anything if they don't agree. I don't know much about these groups, but I don't see it as a room for political talk and in that arena anything goes. In this group I see it as the government or whomever can be talked about what horrible things they are and have done in the past. We get together as a team for a better world. Everything is not all black or white. My father was also a KKK man. I have no proof as all the evidence and stuff he had were thrown away. Also my uncle had a lot of pictures of myself and somehow they got ruined with a storm. See, so evidence gets "lost" and what does one do?? I know we were in KKK cause I seen a lynch hanging with these eyes that are mine and they do not tell lies. There was a lot of involvement with the KKK with MKUltra, CIA and other orginations. Birds Private Mail Welcome - Original Message - From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Color Yellow ... was Birdies From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Conspiracy afficionados who hide underneath the black cloak of plausible deniability have, in my estimation, a 90% chance of being active participants in the disinformation agenda surrounding government financed/sponsored torture and satanic ritual experimentation. The alternative is that they are non-conspiring, though hideous, cowards. So let's get this straight. What you are saying is that anyone who accepts anyone's allegations without question, are the good guys? And that anyone who says "Do you have anything to substantiate such claims?" are either the bad guys, or 'cowards'? And just so that it is clear, it does seem that what you are asking for is that anyone accused of being a perpetrator of the alleged abuse be summarily tried and executed, without evidence? If not, then exactly WHAT are you asking of us? As Kris pointed out, this email list is NOT a support group. If that's what you want, then perhaps you should consider creating your own list for just that purpose. This list is for discussing all manner of conspiracy THEORY, but it seems as if you and your alternative personalities take umbrage when the rest of us don't summarily accept your theory as fact. In the past, anyone postulating a THEORY is expected to provide some sort of documentation for their speculation. Why do you think you should be treated any differently? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Re: [CTRL] Reply to Ynr Chyldz Wyld and proof
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How can you say that there has to be proof??? Let me put it this way: If somebody posts a message to this list that says that Birdie4 is a liar, should we believe them just because they said it or should we make them prove it first? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
